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This Is Ok, But Not Saggy Pants?

A couple days ago, we saw how an US Airways pilots evacuated a plane and arrested a young man for wearing saggy pants that showed his underwear. Yet, US Airways allowed this man to fly in women’s underwear. I am confused.

A passenger, on a June 9th flight from Fort Lauderdale, Fla., to Phoenix snapped the picture after various passengers complained. However, the staff ignored the objections and the airline later said that the company has no dress code. That leaves the question of why the college football player was arrested on the basis of his saggy pants.

I personally find both of these men to be irresponsible and obnoxious in their clothing styles. The latest style controversy involves a man wearing clothing (or lack of it) that would be equally objectionable for a woman in public. It is an act of exhibitionism that would be disturbing to children and parents alike. It shows a complete lack of concern for others.

However, absent a dress code, I fail to see the basis or the consistent policy enforced by US Airways.

Source: SF Gate

52 thoughts on “This Is Ok, But Not Saggy Pants?”

  1. guilhem,
    You say I did not address “abuse of power.” No abuse of power took place so there is nothing to address on that issue.

    After all is said and done, we are left with the image of an immature young athlete with feelings of entitlement. He is told to do something by a person in charge and refuses to accommodate that person. The instruction is repeated later by another person in charge and he disses that person as well. The Captain is summoned, asks the athlete to come outside for a private chat, and he too is dissed by the fellow.

    If the Captain of a vessel says, “We need to talk in private,” and you tell him or her you are not leaving your seat, it is the passenger who is escalating the situation, not the Captain. The kid was practically begging to be arrested.

    Upon being arrested, he then plays the ‘victim’ card. The last refuge of the immature who will not take responsibility for his own actions. Then grownups clutch their collective pearls and engage in enabling behavior by accusing the Captain of abuse of power. Let me say it again. By the time the Captain had been called, the situation was already at critical mass by the man’s refusal to comply–not once, but twice, with a simple instruction to pull up his pants. How is it abuse of power when the guy is disrespectful to the Captain? The Captain would have been subject to disciplinary action if he had not followed the protocol in the operating manual. That calls for the aircraft to be evacuated and the offender arrested.

    Using the “underwear for a hat” argument is begging the question, not to mention a false equivalence. Hyperbole is not helpful.

    He is an athlete. What do you suppose would happen if he were told by his coach to pull up his pants and he refused, then refused to talk to the coach about his refusal? I am sure his coach is ‘proud’ of him today. Looking back on my football days, I am pretty sure my Coach would have had me running laps through the middle of next month, if he did not throw me off the team altogether.

  2. O.S.

    “If you are told to do something by a crew member, then you need to do it, whether you agree or disagree. End of discussion, unless you like jail food or walking to your destination. Those are your alternatives.”

    They have the right (crew member) to demand compliance with any request. They have the ultimate responsibility for the safety of that of yourself and that of the aircraft. You must comply !!!!!!

  3. chris

    the mans face appears to be clean shaven. i can’t tell about his legs because of the black stockings.

    i’m going to go pour boiling water into my eyes now.

  5. bdaman,

    Just read that Delta link you posted. I guess it’s okay for Delta to break our laws concerning discrimination if it makes them money partnering up with the Saudis. Plus, it will give the Saudis easier access to our planes next time they want to steal some to crash into buildings.

    The world would be a much more peaceful place if Saudi Arabia was a glass parking lot. And the airline industry would be a much better place if Delta’s parking lots were empty. What a bunch of greedy bastards.

  6. O.S., A.R.E., you are not addressing the issue of abuse of power. I believe if a plane pilot asked me to remove my underwear and wear it as a hat, I would not comply. The question then is, where is the limit.

    Someone being discriminated for his closing style will probably be upset. Expecting people to remain calm in such situations is similar to expecting them to open the aircraft window and fly to their destination. Air crew should have notions of passengers psychology and conflict avoidance. Passengers should be allowed a moderate amount of obnoxiousness.

    As for the present cases, I will not claim to know who is in the right. However, at the very least, this guy here eliminated one potential argument/charge against the previous guy, which might even have been his actual motive.

  7. My dad also thinks it’s “inappropriate” to travel without a clean shave. I always let him know when we travel together that if he feels that way then he should definently shave, and not worry about my travel habbits.

  9. Thanks Chris, I note that both those people, a diversity expert and a travel professional, seem to be of the “what the hell, that’s not appropriate” opinion.

  10. this guy just looks silly not scary. the young black man with the sagging pants looked “ghetto”, and that scares little old ladies.

  13. “To many people pajamas are appropriate outside dress and overwhelmingly are not in the least sexually suggestive.”

    Yeah, I’m going to need some citations on that. Because I never see people walking around the airport in their jammies, or walking around the store or the bank or the mall….

    To quote GHWB, “Not buying it.”

    Apart from tween behavior and their idiot school administrators and some idiot milfs, who considers pajamas at the airport or in any public setting appropriate clothing?

    As I asked before, where do YOU draw the line regarding clothing, and if you have any lines you draw, WHY? And if you draw no lines whatsoever, why?

    Who draws those lines, and why should YOUR choices for the line be used over the pilot’s or the carrier’s.

  15. Arthur Randolph Erb
    On board an aircraft, you have NO option to refuse a lawful order, and refusal IS a CRIME! This is NOT about attire at all, though it was triggered by it.

    and this was partly my point on the other thread.

  17. If it weren’t for harmless weirdos like this guy, we’d lead much duller lives. I just don’t see the problem. Eccentricity is celebrated by the British and leads to suspicion here…why?

  19. Mike’s comment was followed by mine:

    Ah, the voice of reason… If only there were more… And thanks for the laugh, Mike S…. It was gettiin’ a little “stuffy”… Breathing a little more easily now…

  20. Mike S. wrote:

    However, there is a simple solution that will meet safety needs, satisfy power junkies and make the airlines some money. Airline passenger flight uniforms should be designed to promote maximum safety while flying and all airline passengers should be rquired to buy them , with the price added on to ticket cost. The airlines could require for uniformity and safety’s sake, that only passengers wearing their particular Airlines “Safety” suit, would be allowed to fly on their airline. Win+Win for all but the passengers, but who cares about the cattle or “Pax” being transported anyway?

    That is “reductio ad absurdum” for sure, but you know it isn’t too far away from where we could be heading under the rubric of “safety” that seems to permit all means of authoritarian behavior.

    Ah, the voice of reason… If only there were more… And thanks for the laugh, Mike S…. It was gettiin’ a little “stuffy”…

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