Campus Republicans at the University of California Berkeley have reportedly received threats after creating a novel form of protests against California schools considering race in admissions. The students created a sale of baked goods priced according to their race: white men for $2.00, Asian men for $1.50, Latino men for $1.00, black men for $0.75 and Native American men for $0.25. All women will get $0.25 off those prices.
The Associated Students of the University of California, held an emergency Senate meeting late Sunday to pass a resolution that “condemns the use of discrimination whether it is in satire or in seriousness by any student group.”
I have difficulty with a condemnation (and certainly physical threats by some individuals) over satire. There is a good faith disagreement over race criteria in admissions. This group found a way to dramatize the unfairness and arbitrariness of such policies. It is not actual discrimination but a satire to drive home their point. What do you think?
UPDATE: if the bake sale was not a hit with some people as a political idea, it proved a great marketing ideal. The bake sale sold out.
Source: CNN
anon,
You are messing with the wrong one. I hope that you can under stand that either you are with the sista or you are a misogynist. Which is your pleasure.
You too can be an Ant-Feminist, sign up at the men haters club.
Back at ya, anon
While there is a strong element of satire, protest, and judo in any of these bake sales, that’s not the only explanation. As can be explicitly seen in the over the top reactions to these bake sales, a lot of this going on as well:
@swm
I mean anti-feminist.
The ant-feminist coalition is having a meet-up.
Blouise,
I taught in an affluent community. The parents of most of my students were college graduates. There were many who had advanced degrees. Their children had the benefit of having well-educated parents of means who provided them with a wealth of experiences–including travel and trips to museums–books, tutoring. Some of these parents paid thousands of dollars for SAT prep tutoring for their children. I should note that about 99.9% of these parents and children were white.
What many middle class and wealthy white kids fail to realize is that most of them start the educational college race on the twenty, thirty, or forty yard mark of a 100-yard sprint as compared to most minority kids and poor white kids who do not share the same advantages.
anon,
You don’t understand….That is different….You must be a real misogynist…or…some people don’t like to hear the message you are spouting….I think you are sinister….lol… Not to be confused with a Minister….
@Jude, btw, there are pay equity bake sales, usually held by feminist groups, apparently rarely protested.
http://www.google.com/search?q=equity+pay+bake+sales
@Jude,
How about a tax return bake sell or perhaps less subject to gaming (I don’t know) a property tax based bake sell, or acreage owned based bake sell?
Do those individual specific, class oriented discounts seem more reasonable to you than simply discounts based group characteristics that may not be shared by specific individuals within a group?
I am with JonnyC and Elaine.
No need to get upset … just turn it around on ’em
I think their point fails. Perhaps another point is made, though, that the people in question have to pay less, because on average, that is how much they make compared to the white man.
Mespo:
“If you define “smart” as a the belief that the maniacal acquisition of money overrides any sense of principle and trumps everything else you’d be right. But then again that would make them “conservative” wouldn’t it? You win again, Roco!”
So it is OK to deny some one a position at a university because of their race? Some day that might backfire. But then again logical outcomes arent of too much concern to liberals. They just fuck it all up and try again another day in the hope the second, third or fourth time around works. Maybe when we spend enough money the economy will recover, maybe if we had spent 20 trillion on poverty it would be eradicated, maybe if we spend 2 trillion on health care it will be free to everyone. Yeah, you guys operate from principles alright. The principle of using some one else’s money for your delusions of grandeur.
Take certain wealthy people on this blog, they scream bloody murder about what the conservatives are doing to the “poor” but I dont see them giving up their treasure to help the poor. They just want some one else to pay the bill.
Limousine Marxists. Just dont take their jet and vacation home in Aruba when sharing the wealth.
It’s not your ethnicity that aligns you with the oppressors it’s your world view as disclosed in your comments.
So it’s my speech here at this forum that oppresses others. That should make it easy for you to find a few comments where I support policies that oppress other people. (And I think we all know just where to find comments from you that actively oppress others.) But yes, if you’re going to use language calling me an oppressor, you ought to put up or shut up and give us all some real citations. Should be trivial.
Personally, I align myself with honest intelligent debate and dislike debaters who (constantly) try to pull fast ones with bullying, appeals to emotion, bending the truth, and many logical fallacies.
Fearless anon:
“I am going to need citations on how I’ve or folks like me have historically opposed those others. I think the historical situation is that my folks were rather historically in covenants, immigration policies and ovens the oppressed.”
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It’s not your ethnicity that aligns you with the oppressors it’s your world view as disclosed in your comments. As for citations, hop on over to your local library and tell the folks you want a book on human psychology after you get one on history. BTW not clueless there anon, but I think revealing a scoundrel is a good thing.
Me, too. It seems your idea of debate though is to pick on those historically oppressed by folks like you using childish publicity stunts that demean just about anybody who isn’t white, Anglo-Saxon, and a snot — and come to think of it, it demeans them too, since they’re the buffoons doing it. Good politics, too, in a cuturally diverse state with the Repubicans swirling around the drain.
I am going to need citations on how I’ve or folks like me have historically opposed those others. I think the historical situation is that my folks were rather historically in covenants, immigration policies and ovens the oppressed. But since you know that, I’ll just murmur once more about your enormous sensitivity towards others.
By the way, how about a name there Braveheart so we don’t confuse you with well intentioned persons like the “anon” at 11:56 a.m.
You’re such a dope mespo, and so clueless too.
I’ve always liked Jerry Brown, and I have voted for him. Regardless, one of my earliest “political memories” was how he railed and campaigned against Proposition 13, but then when it passed, as governor, he actually flipped 180 degrees around and embraced it with open arms.
http://blog.sfgate.com/nov05election/2010/09/08/did-prop-13-godfather-howard-jarvis-endorse-jerry-brown-and-his-opponent-in-1978-or-neither/
The tale has been often-told in California. During his first term as governor, Jerry Brown vehemently opposed Proposition 13. Called it a “fraud” and a “rip-off,” etc. When it won — backed by 65 percent of the vote — Jerry, literally almost overnight, went all rah-rah on it. He so embraced it that he was dubbed “Jerry Jarvis” after Prop 13 godfather Howard Jarvis (a REALLY odd mental image). An LA Times poll at the time found that a majority of respondents thought Jerry was originally for Prop 13.
(I also adored Mike Royko, and actually loved his sobriquet, that he later regretted, of Governor Moonbeam. I always thought Moonbeam Jerry and his ideas and passion belonged in the US Senate.)
Regardless, whether you agree with Proposition 209 or SB 185, I do think it’s pretty shocking, that 15 years after the voters voted in 209, one year after the State Supreme Court rules the proposition constitutional, with no real evidence the voter has changed its mind on the issue, that the legislature and governor work to overturn the proposition.
I can see how that can be construed as leadership to be applauded. But I also think it’s a direct and flippant disregard of the voter.
Proposition 13 did enormous harm to the State while fixing a significant tax injustice that was harming the elderly by forcing them to move from homes that had appreciated to the point they could no longer pay the property taxes. But Jerry Brown took the will of the people, and in an almost zen like manner, embraced it, and championed it.
I find it notable how he can’t do that now with Proposition 209.
Anon (11:53 am):
“I would say that is a terribly ripe issue for debate.”
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Me, too. It seems your idea of debate though is to pick on those historically oppressed by folks like you using childish publicity stunts that demean just about anybody who isn’t white, Anglo-Saxon, and a snot — and come to think of it, it demeans them too, since they’re the buffoons doing it. Good politics, too, in a cuturally diverse state with the Repubicans swirling around the drain.
Keep talking anon. I always liked the clown show at the circus. (In case you’re wondering that was demeaning, the difference is you can sort of take care of yourself. Too bad the objects of the Young Republi-brats can’t. Those pasty-ass, privileged, white guy are always tough — until challenged.)
By the way, how about a name there Braveheart so we don’t confuse you with well intentioned persons like the “anon” at 11:56 a.m.
I am so glad when I was in wundergrad school….It was Love the one you’re with….