A family in Pakistan is living in poverty and avoiding neighbors calling for their deaths. Their offense? The oldest daughter was raped and the family did not kill her as demanded as a matter of honor. Unlike hundreds of such girls killed in honor killings each year, Kainat Soomro, 17, is being supported by her family and refuses to back down in demanding justice for her kidnapping and gang rape.
Soomro was kidnapped in Mehar, Pakistan and held for days as she was gang raped. After she escaped, she and her father went to police who allegedly refused to act. In the meantime, the family was told by religious elders to kill the girl.
They declared her kari (or “black female”) for losing her virginity outside marriage.
The local court has ruled against her due to the lack of independent evidence. However, the lack of evidence is reportedly due to the police failing to investigate. Her case is again focusing on the abuses of these religious edicts in Pakistan and the mistreatment of girls under radical Islamic principles.
Source: The Atlantic
I guess New weapons needed to be tested on human subjects. Typical governmental B.S. never tell the thruth “What’s that Japan? Huh? Hold on a minute Japan,,,,,,,,,,,,,(aside) Hey George, would you reach over and push that red button?…..Ok Japan go a head ………..You say you want to keep your empire?.Heh, heh, heh………
angrymanspeaks 1, September 29, 2011 at 2:48 pm
>> Is it just me or does anyone else see a corelation between killing
>> rape victims in Pakistan for losing their virginity and killing pregnant
>> women in Texas (Perryland) who might want an abortion by taking
>> away their health care?
Actually, I found the parallel between the killing of innocent victims for the inconvenience of their continued existence in consequence of sexual acts to which they did not consent more compelling.
puzzling:
“Instead, it took the Soviet declaration of war on Japan, several days after Hiroshima, to bring the capitulation.”
that was from the article, the guy is contradicting himself. If Truman wanted to do it to show the Russians our power, he had already done it. Why did he need to do it again?
You could also say the Russians got into it after the dropping of the bomb because the knew it would be a cake walk. I am also pretty sure they probably knew we were going to do it again.
Puzzling:
I usually agree with you on economics but on this you are wrong and so is the Von Mises Institute.
Henman is right (arggggggh) on this.
We had a right to drop those bombs, it is too bad we didnt have them in 1939. I kinda doubt Hitler would have invaded Poland and further doubt the Japanese would have attacked Pearl Harbor.
I have heard the invasion of Japan would have cost 250,000 American lives and many more Japanese lives. How you die doesnt really matter.
The Japanese did not agree to the surrender terms and would have taken anything less than unconditional surrender as a sign of weakness on our part. We would have been fighting them again in 10 years had we not done what we did. We used to have moral clarity in this country.
John Locke said something to the effect that any man who attacks you to do bodily harm or to kill you is nothing but a beast and you may treat him as such and kill him without any ethical reservations. Now that is moral clarity.
HenMan,
Hiroshima and Nagasaki were not military targets. The bombing did not end the war as you claim. From The Boston Globe:
Why did Japan surrender?
Sixty-six years ago, we dropped a nuclear bomb on Hiroshima. Now, some historians say that’s not what ended the war.
Convoluted, but thrilling. Did you click on my link? You will see “Bar” on the Quaker Oats box plus the added attraction of a cute baby. What could be cuter? (The baby, not “Bar”.)
HenMan,
I know the Akron area well (original home to Quaker Oats). They used to run the oats through tunnels under the streets and the aroma on a cold, blustery day was unbelievably pleasant. Have spent many a night, err, as an adult of course, at Quaker Square where the hotel rooms are in the old silos. I think the University of Akron owns it all now.
I can’t recall seeing mother Bush’s picture anywhere but James Rhodes, the former republican gov. of Ohio who sent the troops to KSU thus facilitating the Kent State Massacre on May 4, 1970, has an arena in Akron named for him so … perhaps the killing spirit which so readily finds a comfortable home in mama Bush’s boys and in Rhodes is what said comedian sensed.
Ha … bet you were wondering how in the hell I was going to get there.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/vonkohorn/2358377388/
Blouise-
I remember that during the first Presidential election campaign of George H.W. Bush some comedian complained that Bush 41 had an unfair advantage because Quaker Oats had put a picture of Barbara Bush on all their oatmeal boxes.
puzzling-
Don’t ever try to bullshit a former Ayn Rander with nonsense from the Ludwig von Mises Institute. I have a long memory and I have “checked my premises”.
From your linked article; “The bombings (of Hiroshima and Nagasaki) were condemned as barbaric and unnecessary by high American military officers, including Eisenhower and MacArthur”. Would that be the same Gen. Douglas MacArthur who was fired by Harry Truman during the Korean War for publicly advocating the use of multiple atomic bombs against China, in addition to MacArthur’s blatant insubordination to his Commander-in-Chief? Did you think MacArthur would give any credit to the man who fired him. MacArthur wanted to nuke the Chinese to save his reputation after his reckless push to the Yalu River and his dismissal of intelligence reports that Chinese Communist troops were moving into North Korea in unknown numbers. The Army and Marines paid a terrible price for those errors by MacArthur and the American forces were pushed back South of the 38th parallel.
As for the atomic bombs dropped on Japan, were the fire bombings of Tokyo, Dresden, and other Axis cities somehow morally superior to the destruction of Hiroshima and Nagasaki by nuclear weapons?
Your claim of the Japanese being willing to surrender is utter nonsense. Who communicated this to the Allies? Are you aware that the Allies had agreed that only unconditional surrender by any Axis power would be accepted by any Allied nation? The Soviet Union declared war on Japan the day they had agreed upon at the Yalta Conference. Do you think that the U.S. would go behind their backs and accept anything less than unconditional surrender from Japan? The consequences for relations between the U.S. and the Soviet Union would have been disasterous. The future relations of the U.S. and U.S.S.R. were not known at that time and were , of course, not a factor in Truman’s decision, which I will again state was the correct decision.
“Do you think any teabaggers are capable of remembering anything that happened 8 years ago?”
You raise a valid point, HenMan.
HenMan,
Jeb was the one mother Bush wanted to run … but the oldest got the nod.
angrymanspeaks
1, September 29, 2011 at 6:46 pm
Hey! Dawn Shevlin knows an Israeli CIA man.
I’m sorry. That was just mean. My appologies Dawn.
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I have no idea who Dawn S is but somebody just threw a rock at her.
Gene H-
Unlike W, Jeb speaks English quite well, and in complete sentences, too. Do you think any teabaggers are capable of remembering anything that happened 8 years ago? By 2016 the mythmakers will have them believing that W was to Saint Ronnie what Jesus was to God. I expect by then W will be known as the George the Conquerer. Who else do they have who isn’t a blithering moron or a toxic State Governor? People will remember the bastard who made them go to another town and wait in line at the DMV for a photo I.D. and who won’t let them vote early anymore.
Henman, you stated of the Pakistani’s that “… People of this mentality shouldn’t even be allowed to have the rocks they use to murder their own women.”
Allowed by whom? Should we take them out with drones, or put boots on the ground?
Or would your mass murder by air to avoid a bloody invasion be the morally superior choice?
OS,
In puzzling’s defense, he may have not drank the Kool-Aid but rather had it spoon fed to him. That “historical” article he linked to was published by the Ludwig von Mises Institute. Hardly a reputable source but wonderful propagandists in their own right.
HenMan,
Seriously, do you think a Bush stands a chance in Hell of being elected President anytime soon after the damage Uncurious George did to the country? You’re right. There are still some moderate Republicans out there and the ones I know to a one absolutely hate what Bush’s actions have wrought and probably wouldn’t vote for any member of that criminal family ever again.
Charlie Poole-
I think your despair is premature. We still have the separation of church and state even if it is under attack. I recommend you do what I did the day after George W. Bush was re-elected. Join the ACLU and support it monetarily to the best of your ability. Their lawyers are in court day after day protecting the Constitution and they win in court. The courts are not all corrupted, in spite of what the media tells you. Among the cases the ACLU pursue most vigorously are separation of church and state issues and the protection of women’s rights. The Republican Governors and Legislatures are NOT going unchallenged.
In my state (Wisconsin) we have recalled 2 State Senators and replaced them with Democrats. We are one vote shy of a majority but there is one Republican Senator who still thinks for himself, so the carnage is at least slowed. In November we will start collecting signatures to recall Gov. Scott Walker, if the Grand Jury investigating his activities as Milwaukee County Executive doesn’t do it first.
The voices you don’t hear on television are the moderate Republicans and the Progressives, as well as the Independents. The Tea Party and the Republican Haters can’t win elections without the votes of the Moderate Republicans (and there are some) and Independents. I suspect many in these two groups are shocked by what they have seen in the statehouses this year. The kingmakers in the Republican Party are in a state of near- panic as they watch the freak show debates and hope someone with a brain will appear to run against Obama. Chris Christie and Jeb Bush seem content to sit on the sidelines and wait for 2016. Mitt Romney can’t get the looney vote because of their prejudices and Rick Perry is one stupid comment away from self-destruction. The rest of the Republican candidates belong in a low grade carnival side show.
Despair not, my friend, it ain’t over yet.
puzzling. Drank the Kool-Aid I see. I remember those days. The generals were not about to surrender. Even after the bombs were dropped, they tried to kidnap the emperor in a palace coup so he could not broadcast the surrender.
Ever see what a thousand plane raid looked like? My old flight instructor flew P-38 fighter escort for some of those raids. In some ways, they were just as horrific as the relatively small atomic bombs of the day. The bombs got more publicity because of their nature and the fact that one bomb could do that much damage.
Henman wrote
What a loyal recantation of State propaganda.
No invasion of Japan was necessary. Japan had offered to surrender so long as they were allowed to maintain their emperor, an offer that was answered with the mass murder of innocent civilians in non-military targets of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Truman was a war criminal, and what the United States did was a crime against humanity.