-Submitted by David Drumm (Nal), Guest Blogger
Bishop William Lori, a representative of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, testified before the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee that mandating insurance companies cover contraception is like mandating kosher delis serve ham sandwiches. Lori likens the obvious health benefits of not getting pregnant to the claim that “pork is good for you.” Lori calls this the Parable of the Kosher Deli.
The beauty of Lori’s Parable is that it can be used to argue against any health insurance coverage mandate.
If an employer is a Jehovah’s Witness and insists that any employee health insurance plan not cover blood transfusions then any employee who wants that coverage could have to find another policy and pay its entire cost out-of-pocket. Any employees who do not share the employer’s worldview are penalized for those different beliefs.
While Lori makes much of the employer’s freedom of conscience, does not the employee possess that same freedom of conscience? If an employer insists on an employee health insurance plan that covers abortion in cases of rape or incest, and a Catholic employee objects to paying even part of the cost of the insurance, would Lori still support the employer’s freedom of conscience? Or would he suddenly discover that employees deserve the same freedom of conscience?
While many consider an employer’s place of business to be private property wherein the employer rules as king, that business makes use of roads, bridges, infrastructure, law enforcement, etc., paid for by the government. Without this government support, businesses wouldn’t survive. In return for the services provided, the government gets to set standards of behavior toward competitors, customers, employees, and the environment.
This is not a new issue, as evidenced by the Supreme Court case of Reynolds v. United States in 1878. For a unanimous Court, Chief Justice Waite wrote:
Laws are made for the government of actions, and while they cannot interfere with mere religious belief and opinions, they may with practices.
The freedom of religious expression requires the freedom from control of that religious expression from those holding different religious beliefs. If one demands freedom of religious expression for oneself, then one must give up control over the religious expression of those holding different religious beliefs. If one demands freedom of conscience for oneself, then one must give up control over the conscientious beliefs of those holding different conscientious beliefs. One cannot reasonably complain about the denial of freedom of conscience when one’s denying that freedom to others.
H/T: Jonathan D. Sarna, Sarah Posner, Adam Lee, Kashif J. Powell (pdf).
1do7o7 I think you and AY are the same.
Bat shit crazy. AY according to SWM she has confirmed it. I don’t need to strir the pot just smoke it.
My cow died so I don’t need your bull….
🙂
AY
It was if you can read, your implication I was citing.
I was not agreeing with your accusations nor confessing so the following is BS, as usual.
“…ID…. See we can agree…..and yes….. I do think you have multiple postings under different names
Are you trained in disinformation by Oreilly or other Fox puppets, aka as program leaders and news anchors.
AY
And I have challenged you to prove it. Or just give me the nominal names so I can check the archives and see what kind of shit I’ve been up to.
If the puppets are like me in style or tactics (derisive putdowns with no own content) then feel sorry for them. On the other hand can’t imagine any of them doing “true confessions” like I do.
But challenge me on any of my biography and I’ll swamp you with details that’ll make you sillier than you are. But it’s detail you can’t check mostly, but the sheer detail vouches for it truthfulness.
Like in 1965 I checked in to the Driftwood Hotel across the road from the Kaiser Hospital, a bit more that spitting distance from Waikiki Beach. Worked for PACAF Civil Engineering Directorate, etc. Was there 6 months.
When Kennedy was shot I was interviewing folks at JPL in Pasadena.
I visited, with my French girlfriend from Thailand, in 67 Lebanon, including a taxi to Behka Valley, then not dangerous, then to Palestine via Amman, and then Israel and on to Greece before the June war, and the Colonels taking over in Greece. Etc. etc. If you’re so smart tell me what form my Israeli visa was in.
But just challenge me if you want more.
And you are flattering me. To think that I have enough smarts or whatever you call it to run several puppets.
My moniker is my only one. Soooorrrryyyyy!
But you got a rise out of me again, and at least an admission from you of your suspicions. What a waste of a good mind you have. Whew.
Letterman? not comprehended………
Bda.,
I’ll acknowledge that you are a thread jacket and I presume you post under numerous IDs…..you like to provoke and are doing that just now…. My cow died so I don’t need your bull….
bdaman. I am right and it has been confirmed. That is all I can say. What’s the hurt? Don’t get that at all.
1d0707 What eva.
Raff I knew you would
SWM he’s the only one you’ve had bad blood with and last week a comment was made that got my attention. You might be right. Had to do with anonymity.
ID…. See we can agree…..and yes….. I do think you have multiple postings under different names……unless you are a stalker….. Then of course…..
Kind of funny….when adults get older they generally get over a hurt….. I think I am beginning to know how letterman feels……. Geeze…get over it….
Oh, yes, I see some are here.
Elaine M. The joys of being a snail. ie hermo Quadruple orgasms.
AY Yes, age makes no difference if one is possessed by the devil.
As for sock puppet accusations you imply I manipulate. I should be so web hip.
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I remember Bdaman.
What fun you’ve had today. Bdaman’s last posts were sensible, in contrast to the 63percent bandwidth coverage he posted earlier. And he says that he doesn’t know what kidnapping is.
And then we got Jeff, on top of Bdaman. What a joy. Seems to enjoy being a punching bag, as well as a drag. Yeah, Jeff, I am resorting to the last resort, cuz you don’t get the other stuff.
Gene H. quoted Woosty:
“Robin Williams said, “See, the problem is that God gives men a brain and a penis, and only enough blood to run one at a time.”
And I say: So it was hypoxia and not the exercise that got to me.
And wifey replies: You weren’t that stiff, you stiff.
It’s hours since anyone was here. Can wonder how you spend your Saturdays. Am just an old dog, sniffing around, leaving a few squirts here and there.
As for health insurance, the most sensible observation was that the employers draw it off as a business expense, and it’s created three growth industries. And as usual it was a woman who said it.
It’s a shame that Adam’s wife didn’t say no poontang without representation.
Fyi…. I was only 4 < and living in Houston when Kennedy got shot…..but I'll acknowledge I could have…..been in Dallas….
Bda, I had the opportunity to do something about it but I chose not to escalate it. It is still going on so I might change my mind. A related one popped up the other day under “an innocent bystander” lol. That one attacked too. Then there is “god”. No one wants to talk about the “elephant in room” because he and the sockpuppets provide a lot of volume.
Elaine…..never…..never…. Never….
Someone please inform Jeff that it would would be physically impossible for me to do what he requested because I’m not a hermaphrodite.
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AY,
Are you implying that Jeff is one?
You don’t remember all that shit when Raff got accused and everyone pointed the finger at me about mining e-mail addresses.
Yep
they do