-Submitted by David Drumm (Nal), Guest Blogger
Bishop William Lori, a representative of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, testified before the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee that mandating insurance companies cover contraception is like mandating kosher delis serve ham sandwiches. Lori likens the obvious health benefits of not getting pregnant to the claim that “pork is good for you.” Lori calls this the Parable of the Kosher Deli.
The beauty of Lori’s Parable is that it can be used to argue against any health insurance coverage mandate.
If an employer is a Jehovah’s Witness and insists that any employee health insurance plan not cover blood transfusions then any employee who wants that coverage could have to find another policy and pay its entire cost out-of-pocket. Any employees who do not share the employer’s worldview are penalized for those different beliefs.
While Lori makes much of the employer’s freedom of conscience, does not the employee possess that same freedom of conscience? If an employer insists on an employee health insurance plan that covers abortion in cases of rape or incest, and a Catholic employee objects to paying even part of the cost of the insurance, would Lori still support the employer’s freedom of conscience? Or would he suddenly discover that employees deserve the same freedom of conscience?
While many consider an employer’s place of business to be private property wherein the employer rules as king, that business makes use of roads, bridges, infrastructure, law enforcement, etc., paid for by the government. Without this government support, businesses wouldn’t survive. In return for the services provided, the government gets to set standards of behavior toward competitors, customers, employees, and the environment.
This is not a new issue, as evidenced by the Supreme Court case of Reynolds v. United States in 1878. For a unanimous Court, Chief Justice Waite wrote:
Laws are made for the government of actions, and while they cannot interfere with mere religious belief and opinions, they may with practices.
The freedom of religious expression requires the freedom from control of that religious expression from those holding different religious beliefs. If one demands freedom of religious expression for oneself, then one must give up control over the religious expression of those holding different religious beliefs. If one demands freedom of conscience for oneself, then one must give up control over the conscientious beliefs of those holding different conscientious beliefs. One cannot reasonably complain about the denial of freedom of conscience when one’s denying that freedom to others.
H/T: Jonathan D. Sarna, Sarah Posner, Adam Lee, Kashif J. Powell (pdf).
It’s too bad when people post personal information about someone’s identity on here…. Tsk. Tsk. Tsk….. The person doing that should be banned…… Right?……
I do not know what street you live on…. I can promise you that…… Never Google you up either….. Can you say the same? I think you have crossed the line many times….. You know it too…..
Bdaman,
I know that about SwM as she has told me more. But I won’t flash it like you are doing. Call it baiting that’s OK. by me. Let me laugh at you, that feels better than rising to bait. I have admitted to being a dumb fish many times already. That’s why baring my ass does not bother me.
But when I get to know myself better, then it might.
Right now am floating on clouds from all positive feedback,, and it ain’t from here either.
Got anything other to say except for thread jacking?
When all medical procedures and medications for men are covered entirely, why should women’s medications and procedures be any different?
I’m out too so looks like you can play with yourself 1do707 🙂
Be safe SWM
Theres the first clue typically comes out when your angry.
idealist707 1, March 10, 2012 at 5:14 pm
Bdaman said:
“And you know who I’m…….”
Who uses ………..alot
Bdaman,
says:
“What Country do you live in 1d0707”
I’ve mentioned it several times in my lengthy “true confessions” and on other occasions. Stockholm, Sweden, since 1968.
Would you like to know who our first landlord was in Bangkok.
The prime minister during WW2. He kicked up out of the little house because there were too many taxis driving up to our place. Did not do the right thing by his rep. So the colonel’s wife with the 5 carat diamond ring got us a bigger place. Only problem was the snakes in the monsoon season.
Any more questions?
idealist, I have stated many times that I live in Texas on here. I know a few people’s names on here but I would never break their anonymity The rain has let up and I need to go.
Ha Ha 1d0707 it’s no secret that SWM and AY both live in Texas. Thanks for taking the bait.
SwM,
Bdaman is phishing, but don’t need to warn you.
Bdaman,
You revealed what you think is confidential info as to SwM’s state.
How do you feel about that?
Bdaman said:
“And you know who I’m…….”
What a shit you are. If it’s me you are accusing, say it or shut up.
It it is someone else, say it or shut up. This tistle-tassel is like so many small children learning power play or bullying as we call it.
You are despicable when you do such things, IMHO.
Talk about jacking the thread. Don’t play his game Does he ever say anything of value? Haven’t seen any.
AY 1do7o7 I’m gonna tell you just like I told Gene. You are free to say whatever you like and I’m free to respond however I like. That is unless there something or someone compelling your actions. Those are factors under your control. How I respond to your pablum isn’t under your control.
If you’ve got a problem with that, it is entirely your problem and don’t you forget it.
Yeah but how did they know your name. I don’t get it. Where you talking away from here.
bdaman, If someone knows your name they certainly can find out what street you live on. I don’t care about that. I just did not care for that and some other harmful things to be posted.
What Country do you live in 1d0707
This morning we had an overnight fog hanging in low clouds. 37 degrees.
By noon the sun had burned it away. By 3 PM the ABC stores were closed, and by four the stores were except for pharmacies and the grocery stores.
Götgatan’ sidewalks were full of people, many with small children.
The beer-burning outdoor services were sparsely filled. etc.
That is my summary from Södermalm SOFO.
Any other city bulletins?
PS It rained for 30 minutes at 8 pm.
If what you say is true and again I have no reason to doubt you plus someone confirmed it. How do you think he was able to ascertain that info on your street.
bdaman, I am going to honor the confidentiality of the person and I have already said too much.
well to be honest SWM I know you don’t have anything to lie about the same can not be said of others especially ones who deny who they once where. Not mentioning any names but you know who I’m talking about.
I have no ideal what street you live on and I most certainly would not put it on here…… If you got it prove it…. If not…. Oh well….
1d0707 what are you talking about.