The Pursuit of Political Purity

Submitted by: Mike Spindell, guest blogger

ImageSome comments in the ongoing debate regarding the candidacy of Elizabeth Warren got me to thinking about our political system and people’s reactions to it. Warren is criticized by the Right for obvious reasons, given her strong stances on managing the economy and controlling the excesses of the Corporate Culture. In a sense she offends their sense of political purity, but then that is but a given because she is a Democrat. We have seen though on the Right that such conservative stalwarts as Richard Lugar have gone down to primary defeat because he failed the Tea Parties test of what a “true” conservative should be. Richard Lugar failed the “purity” test even though his conservative history is impeccable. In my conception political purity conforms to “party line” thinking, punishing those that fail to adhere in all respects to the standards of a given faction’s concept of standards their candidates must adhere to in order to retain enthusiastic support. I use “faction”, rather than “party”, because our two party political system actually represents an amalgam of various factions imperfectly coalescing under the rubric of a “Political Party”.

From a Left, or even Centrist perspective, there has been both amusement and trepidation about how the “Tea Party” faction has exerted control over the Republican Party. Then too, there is the same reaction to the power exerted by Fundamentalist Christians, a group that at some points overlaps with the “Tea Party”. A human trait is to see the foibles of groups we define as “other”, while being oblivious to the idiosyncrasies of the groups we are aligned with. Liberals, Progressives, Radicals and even Leftist Centrists like to believe that they are immune from the turmoil that they see in their Right Wing opposites, yet the “Left” and even the “Center” also routinely define people in terms of litmus tests of political purity. This was highlighted by certain comments on the Warren thread where people who were seemingly in tune with her domestic policy views, disliked her positions on the Middle East and appeared to hold them against her. This has definitely been true with many progressives and/or civil libertarians in viewing this current Administration. My purpose here is not one of castigation for anyone’s perspective; rather I’m interested in exploring the phenomenon of the belief that political figures need to meet all of our expectations in their positions, or be unworthy of our support. My own perspective is that tests of political purity are self defeating because it is impossible for any particular political figure to be in perfect agreement with all that any of us individually believe and politics becomes oppression without the ability to negotiate. The process of real negotiation requires compromise. What follows is why I believe that is true. Before my discussion though, I think a definition of perspectives would be helpful. There are some of us, including myself to a certain degree, who believe that we are living under a corporate oligarchy and as such the common pretense that our national fate is in the hands of the majority’s vote, is but pleasant mythology. I wrote about this in my guest blog Published 1, March 17, 2012: http://jonathanturley.org/2012/03/17/a-real-history-of-the-last-sixty-two-years/ .One logical conclusion that can be drawn from believing that democracy is an illusion, is that voting is a wasted effort, since whatever person we choose will either be a corporate stooge, or unelectable. I can respect those who draw that conclusion since the evidence of its truth is quite convincing. My own conclusion is not quite there yet, even though I do believe that we are under the rule of a coalition of the Military Industrial Complex and of the Corporate Elite. The redeeming feature to me is that I don’t believe in the homogeneity of the “ruling classes”. I think that they are made up of various factions and roiled by clashing egos. In my estimation voting for politicians thus has value because the vote affects the competition among our oligarchs. There is a qualitative difference for instance between Buffett/Gates and the Koch Brothers, in the sense that the former believe in more humane social policies and the latter have a draconian social view.

If one believes that Democracy is completely illusory, then why bother voting, since voting is a futile exercise? The logical conclusion of such a belief is to disdain all of American politics and politicians as being tools of the Oligarchy. From that perspective it isn’t a question of particular policy, since almost every player in normative politics is not to be trusted. So the question becomes how do the people change things when the political process is believed to be non-existent? Obviously, if it is ones view that America politics is a total sham, then a massive uprising of the people would be needed to make change. How does that uprising occur? Will its’ nature be peaceful, or violent? While I know there are “militias” out in the hills of places like Idaho, are they capable of banding together to overthrow our current government, I think not. Violent revolutions always seem to breed unforeseen and unpleasant excesses, which make their original aims moot. So the question becomes how do we effect a peaceful revolution? The answer is simple, but the process itself is immensely complex. A peaceful revolution can come about when you are able to convince an overwhelming majority of the people that the current system needs change and that they need to refuse to cooperate with it. Think of the Montgomery Bus Boycott. When the media is in the hands of corporations though, the issue is one of how does the message of change come across to reach the populace? It’s a question I’ve pondered for years.

Back in the 60’s there was the idea of “dropping out” of a corrupt system. Its problem was that it was espoused by many and practiced by few. The truth was that for those “dropping out” the system didn’t miss their participation, nor would it now. A current conservative stratagem is to make voting harder, thereby limiting turnout of voters negative to their cause. We solve nothing by not voting. We could vote, but cast our votes for nascent opposition parties. This is not a bad premise in my estimation, even though in our loaded political system, minority party effectiveness is more limited than under parliamentary government. Let us think though about a minority party legislator’s ability to be effective once elected, since I assume that the process of gaining political power through organizing a minority party opposition would be slow and could be violently opposed.  Think of the police reactions to Occupy Wall Street. However, OWS does show that the elite can feel threatened by a mass movement.

When we discuss the election of someone whose political views are outside of what the “mainstream allows”, we need to take into account how much positive influence they can have on the political process, if they are unwilling to compromise their “political purity”. Let us take the real instance of Senator Bernie Sanders, a socialist, as he does his job in the Senate. I believe that Bernie is the most ethical and perceptive Senator we have had in the Senate in a long time. He is also an effective Senator in terms of being able to not only put forth a progressive point of view, but to actually influence Senate activity. In order to be effective in the Senate, Bernie has had to compromise on certain issues and thus would certainly be seen from the orthodox socialist perspective to have sold out. In contrast let us take another man whose career I’ve admired, Dennis Kucinich. Dennis has been an aggressive/effective spokesman on a national level for unpopular, yet valid causes. Within the house though he has not been able to effectuate change simply because Dennis does not do compromise well

In today’s world a political change process is mainly effectuated in four ways:

1. Violent revolution, which is highly problematic at best.

2. Massive non cooperation with the system, ala Gandhi and King, which can be very successful based     

    upon the right circumstances.

3. Organizing and creating an opposition political movement, a possibly fruitful, yet hard process to carry  

    out with success..

4. Working within the system, imperfect as it may be, to effect slow change.

All of the above can be work to effect change in a given context, but one factor is a given no matter which method is chosen. To build a mass movement in a diverse population the need to compromise is paramount. This need to compromise is called “coalition building”. The Right has been effective at this for years when you think of the coalition between religious fundamentalists, lukewarm objectivists and outright corporatists. What would Jesus, Ayn Rand and even Adam Smith think of the ways their teachings have been presumably melded? In the past the Left also coalesced around certain issues, bringing together groups that were hardly homogeneous. However, from the 60’s onward building of coalitions on the Left has broken down. “Centrists” and “Liberals” became anathema to “progressives” and “radicals”. After all that he had accomplished Martin Luther King became an “Uncle Tom” in the minds of “Black Power” advocates for his refusal to entertain the concept of violence as a tool.

The Left coalition also began to break down in the 60’s over the issue of Viet Nam. Working class union members generally supported the war that was drafting and killing their children. The leadership of the AFL-CIO, who had striven to disassociate themselves from Marxism during the McCarthy era, had become part of the country’s establishment. As George Meany, the AFL-CIO President, began to play golf with Eisenhower and major industrialists, the Union movement swung away from its Left Wing roots. The fact that the labor movement was overwhelmingly “white working class” in an era where Blacks were demanding equal status also took its toll on the coalition between Big Labor and the Democratic Party. The AFL-CIO and Teamsters supported Richard Nixon in 1968..

The labor movement’s departure from coalition with the Democratic Party was to have devastating consequences for its strength. Their workers, doing well financially aspired to a scaled down version of the American Dream. The threat that competition with Blacks for jobs and with the Left’s critique of muscular foreign policy, helped drive white workers into the Republican Party. The fact that their leadership had become cozy with Management and Republicans led the way. The power of the labor movement waned until today it is a shadow of what it once was. The Left coalition forged under FDR and informed experientially by the “Great Depression”, began to fight amongst themselves. The battles increasingly became issues of “purity of political belief”. When a person’s political value is weighed on only specific issues that are politically “black and white”, coalition becomes almost impossible. Without the ability to coalesce “Movements” face severe limitations in their ability to grow.

I believe that in the desire for reforming our governance to work for the interests of all the people, all viable methods must be used. Of the four methods I list above I believe that only the latter three are really viable. A violent revolution in this country will only hasten the totality of oppression, since violent revolutions never seem to work out the way people have planned and that the people once having risen find themselves ruled harshly by those they so hopefully followed. Refute this premise if you will, but please don’t cite the American Revolution. While it certainly had violence it was a rebellion of colonies against an overseas colonial state. By revolution I mean the rebellion of a people in a certain geographical area against their own government. 

Methodologically, none of the three methods can work without bringing together people of differing standards via a coalition that accepts deviation from a “party line”. This seems obvious to me since rarely do those who wish change agree on all issues. Are there “deal breakers” that cannot brook compromise? That depends upon the individual, the perceived threat and the current circumstance. I have my own deal breakers, certainly, but I invoke them in context of my reading of the perceived threat.

What do you the reader think of the argument I’ve made? If you disagree please let me know, since I understand that on any given subject I can be wrong and I am really willing to learn. If you agree with me then what are your “deal breakers”? Perhaps if you show me yours, I’ll show you mine.

 Submitted by: Mike Spindell, guest blogger

 

 

 

683 thoughts on “The Pursuit of Political Purity”

  1. skiprob,

    Perception is reality, presumably. Jury trials aren’t worth as much as you think they are.

  2. I was directing that question to Tony C. but it’s good to know what people do. I’m a realtor and appraiser. Invented a water turbine that’s still patent pending. NAL – Norse Goddess? Matt, what ever I said before to cause you to come back at me like that, I think was misdirected because I didn’t understand your remarks.

  3. skiprob,

    It doesn’t matter what psychologists say when you’re hanging from a rope.

    Perception is reality. Those who perceive. Be careful.

    Laurie ‘Bambi’ Bembenek didn’t do it. Certain others did. So much for the judicial system.

  4. Reality is a perception based on knowledge and understanding. Once again you provide no evidence, an unsubstantiated opinion and criticism. Your Standard Operating Proceedure in debate. Does that somehow makes you feel good about yourself; thats what psychoolgists say.

  5. @skiprob: Thinking that I can’t handle your intellectual prowess is also pretty arrogant.

    Do not mistake my accurate apprehension of reality for arrogance. In fact, I believe MOST people have the intellectual prowess to follow my arguments. So it doesn’t have anything to do with my intellectual prowess, it has to do with your distinct lack of it, which is evidenced by your dogmatic Aynsanity.

  6. @skiprob: I would like to get your opinions on it.

    Read the comments. Search for my moniker (use CTL-F for find). I had a few posts in there. If it loads slow, I suggest you turn off Javascript; that will help.

  7. @skiprob: You aren’t the first fool Aynish I have encountered, either here or in real life, and I have already heard your rote explanation a dozen times. Since you have already demonstrated that you are immune to actual logic and reality (e.g. your claim there is no such thing as a natural monopoly), I will pass. If you believe what you have claimed, you are far too divorced from reality for us to find any common ground.

  8. Skiprob: “The entire Congress can’t get it right, but Gene can.”

    You can just end the sentence where the comma appears. Q.E.D.

  9. skiprob,

    Hamilton learned to be a clerk as a servant. I wouldn’t have shot at the tree branch.

  10. @skiprob: I have discussed it before, in the Good Law, Bad Law thread Gene started, and I won’t again. Besides, in my opinion you are too beholden to authority to understand subtlety, so the fact that much of my philosophy is the same but I disagree on certain points with Paine or Jefferson or Smith is really going to be too much for you to handle. Like most of you Aynish, your only response will be pathetic derision for somebody that doesn’t believe what an “authority” told you.

    Unlike you, it is my job (literally) to question authority and dogma and invent better approaches, better techniques, better math, better precision and less failure, but of course you would not understand that, either.

    Because if you could, you wouldn’t be Aynish in the first place. Unless you are under 15 years old, but I kind of doubt that.

    1. Doesn’t the fact that pure libertarianism eliminates all force under the guise of authority pretty much discount your opinion of me on that subject.

      Thinking that I can’t handle your intellectual prowess is also pretty arrogant. You should run something legitimate by me before you criticize me once again.

      So far I’ve mainly heard cheap shots out of you. Did you read Gene’s essay on the How to determine a Good and Bad Law or what ever the title was. I would like to get your opinions on it.

      In my opinion, Gene appears to think that he is some sort of a God and can therefore determine what is in the majorities best interest. The entire Congress can’t get it right, but Gene can.

  11. Gene H:

    The size of government matters, there is no way around that because the bigger it is the more mischief it is able to make. The entity called government is unable to control itself, it will always work in tandem with the baser instincts of the governed. That is why the founders wanted it limited, that is why they wanted a republic. But you know that.

  12. skiprob,

    Alexander Hamilton shot at a tree branch. Burr shot to kill after Hamilton already fired his shot.

    1. What does that have to do with the various political perspectives. You saying Hamilton was a good guy and therefore let Burr kill him.

  13. Gene H:

    Marxism/communism is scientific socialism. Go figure. You dont need to site Marx or Lenin directly. For example many of Rands ideas on economics come from Frederic Bastiat, he wasnt a sociopath. He seems like he was a pretty decent guy.

    Many of the people you read have their basic philosophical outlook geared toward Marx and his writings or other progressives who have agreed with and expanded on Marx’s works. You dont have to quote Marx directly.

    Social compact basis for government OK so you use the social compact to form a government. Sounds like a model to me.

  14. Bron,

    Have you ever considered the entire point of the “Good Law, Bad Law” discussion wasn’t about quantity but about quality?

    Also, I never said complexity is a good thing, Mr. Straw Man. I said it is a real thing and if one is not mindful of it – say by making sure laws were carefully tailored to reach a specific outcome with the least complexity possible – it will bite you on the ass. I’m for improving the system, Bron, which means by necessity cutting as well as building. Not all regulations are necessary and they are not all properly implemented or formulated when they are necessary. But you keep buying into that idea that size is the primary defining characteristic of the stability of a complex system instead of functionality. That’s how you get non-viable solutions like those offered by Libertarianism.

    1. Give me one of your so-called non viable solutions so that I can explain it to you that it is in fact very viable.

  15. Gene H:

    have you ever given thought to the possibility your regulations have given rise to complexity and instability?

    The 20 page agreements we sign for doing any thing financial are created because you are trying to protect the public from the “evil” bankers. Maybe if there were minimal regulations financial markets would stop creating these complex vehicles which stupefy all but the most astute.

    I should be able to lend skiprob $100,000 with a contract of less than a page.

    Your regulations have created all this mess because the government regulators arent smart enough to think of all of the possibilities. And necessity is always the mother of invention, any regulation can be gotten around by some loop hole either existing in the legislation or in the future after people have thought about how to get around the regulations.

    Yep, you go on believing complexity is good and that people like me are too stupid to understand complexity. Your regulations have created the chaos which has hurt untold millions of people.

    Skiprob and others, including myself, are waiting for the day when the majority of these half baked regulations are repealed. So that we can purchase a house with a contract of a single page. But that doesnt benefit lawyers or b-crats.

  16. Tony,

    There is indeed no replacement to being able to think critically and for yourself.

  17. Bron,

    Straw man again. I never said Rousseau’s “ideas of government are a good model for a free society.” I said that his formulation of the social compact was the underpinning of any government of any form. Because the social compact is the underpinning of any and all forms of government.

    Also, show where I’ve cited Marx or Lenin as authoritative sources or as the basis for any argument I’ve ever made. In fact, I’ve explicitly argued against Marx and I don’t think I’ve ever mentioned Lenin except perhaps in the context of history. I’m even less likely to cite him is political, legal or economic authority than I am Marx, which is to say not likely in the slightest.

    You continue to foam at the mouth trying to paint me as a Marxist all you like though considering you have absolutely no basis for that accusation. Compared that to the well known facts that you are an admitted (and worse yet, proud) Objectivist and fan of that clown von Mises and laiseez-faire economics and your accusations are one thing:

    Really funny.

    You’d have a better chance of proving I’m a Nihilist.

    If it makes you feel better to hide your intellectual failings behind a litany of baseless counterclaims? Do what you need to make yourself feel like the hero of your own story. Catering to your own ego over any kind of fact or logic is what Objectivists do best anyway.

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