The Pursuit of Political Purity

Submitted by: Mike Spindell, guest blogger

ImageSome comments in the ongoing debate regarding the candidacy of Elizabeth Warren got me to thinking about our political system and people’s reactions to it. Warren is criticized by the Right for obvious reasons, given her strong stances on managing the economy and controlling the excesses of the Corporate Culture. In a sense she offends their sense of political purity, but then that is but a given because she is a Democrat. We have seen though on the Right that such conservative stalwarts as Richard Lugar have gone down to primary defeat because he failed the Tea Parties test of what a “true” conservative should be. Richard Lugar failed the “purity” test even though his conservative history is impeccable. In my conception political purity conforms to “party line” thinking, punishing those that fail to adhere in all respects to the standards of a given faction’s concept of standards their candidates must adhere to in order to retain enthusiastic support. I use “faction”, rather than “party”, because our two party political system actually represents an amalgam of various factions imperfectly coalescing under the rubric of a “Political Party”.

From a Left, or even Centrist perspective, there has been both amusement and trepidation about how the “Tea Party” faction has exerted control over the Republican Party. Then too, there is the same reaction to the power exerted by Fundamentalist Christians, a group that at some points overlaps with the “Tea Party”. A human trait is to see the foibles of groups we define as “other”, while being oblivious to the idiosyncrasies of the groups we are aligned with. Liberals, Progressives, Radicals and even Leftist Centrists like to believe that they are immune from the turmoil that they see in their Right Wing opposites, yet the “Left” and even the “Center” also routinely define people in terms of litmus tests of political purity. This was highlighted by certain comments on the Warren thread where people who were seemingly in tune with her domestic policy views, disliked her positions on the Middle East and appeared to hold them against her. This has definitely been true with many progressives and/or civil libertarians in viewing this current Administration. My purpose here is not one of castigation for anyone’s perspective; rather I’m interested in exploring the phenomenon of the belief that political figures need to meet all of our expectations in their positions, or be unworthy of our support. My own perspective is that tests of political purity are self defeating because it is impossible for any particular political figure to be in perfect agreement with all that any of us individually believe and politics becomes oppression without the ability to negotiate. The process of real negotiation requires compromise. What follows is why I believe that is true. Before my discussion though, I think a definition of perspectives would be helpful. There are some of us, including myself to a certain degree, who believe that we are living under a corporate oligarchy and as such the common pretense that our national fate is in the hands of the majority’s vote, is but pleasant mythology. I wrote about this in my guest blog Published 1, March 17, 2012: http://jonathanturley.org/2012/03/17/a-real-history-of-the-last-sixty-two-years/ .One logical conclusion that can be drawn from believing that democracy is an illusion, is that voting is a wasted effort, since whatever person we choose will either be a corporate stooge, or unelectable. I can respect those who draw that conclusion since the evidence of its truth is quite convincing. My own conclusion is not quite there yet, even though I do believe that we are under the rule of a coalition of the Military Industrial Complex and of the Corporate Elite. The redeeming feature to me is that I don’t believe in the homogeneity of the “ruling classes”. I think that they are made up of various factions and roiled by clashing egos. In my estimation voting for politicians thus has value because the vote affects the competition among our oligarchs. There is a qualitative difference for instance between Buffett/Gates and the Koch Brothers, in the sense that the former believe in more humane social policies and the latter have a draconian social view.

If one believes that Democracy is completely illusory, then why bother voting, since voting is a futile exercise? The logical conclusion of such a belief is to disdain all of American politics and politicians as being tools of the Oligarchy. From that perspective it isn’t a question of particular policy, since almost every player in normative politics is not to be trusted. So the question becomes how do the people change things when the political process is believed to be non-existent? Obviously, if it is ones view that America politics is a total sham, then a massive uprising of the people would be needed to make change. How does that uprising occur? Will its’ nature be peaceful, or violent? While I know there are “militias” out in the hills of places like Idaho, are they capable of banding together to overthrow our current government, I think not. Violent revolutions always seem to breed unforeseen and unpleasant excesses, which make their original aims moot. So the question becomes how do we effect a peaceful revolution? The answer is simple, but the process itself is immensely complex. A peaceful revolution can come about when you are able to convince an overwhelming majority of the people that the current system needs change and that they need to refuse to cooperate with it. Think of the Montgomery Bus Boycott. When the media is in the hands of corporations though, the issue is one of how does the message of change come across to reach the populace? It’s a question I’ve pondered for years.

Back in the 60’s there was the idea of “dropping out” of a corrupt system. Its problem was that it was espoused by many and practiced by few. The truth was that for those “dropping out” the system didn’t miss their participation, nor would it now. A current conservative stratagem is to make voting harder, thereby limiting turnout of voters negative to their cause. We solve nothing by not voting. We could vote, but cast our votes for nascent opposition parties. This is not a bad premise in my estimation, even though in our loaded political system, minority party effectiveness is more limited than under parliamentary government. Let us think though about a minority party legislator’s ability to be effective once elected, since I assume that the process of gaining political power through organizing a minority party opposition would be slow and could be violently opposed.  Think of the police reactions to Occupy Wall Street. However, OWS does show that the elite can feel threatened by a mass movement.

When we discuss the election of someone whose political views are outside of what the “mainstream allows”, we need to take into account how much positive influence they can have on the political process, if they are unwilling to compromise their “political purity”. Let us take the real instance of Senator Bernie Sanders, a socialist, as he does his job in the Senate. I believe that Bernie is the most ethical and perceptive Senator we have had in the Senate in a long time. He is also an effective Senator in terms of being able to not only put forth a progressive point of view, but to actually influence Senate activity. In order to be effective in the Senate, Bernie has had to compromise on certain issues and thus would certainly be seen from the orthodox socialist perspective to have sold out. In contrast let us take another man whose career I’ve admired, Dennis Kucinich. Dennis has been an aggressive/effective spokesman on a national level for unpopular, yet valid causes. Within the house though he has not been able to effectuate change simply because Dennis does not do compromise well

In today’s world a political change process is mainly effectuated in four ways:

1. Violent revolution, which is highly problematic at best.

2. Massive non cooperation with the system, ala Gandhi and King, which can be very successful based     

    upon the right circumstances.

3. Organizing and creating an opposition political movement, a possibly fruitful, yet hard process to carry  

    out with success..

4. Working within the system, imperfect as it may be, to effect slow change.

All of the above can be work to effect change in a given context, but one factor is a given no matter which method is chosen. To build a mass movement in a diverse population the need to compromise is paramount. This need to compromise is called “coalition building”. The Right has been effective at this for years when you think of the coalition between religious fundamentalists, lukewarm objectivists and outright corporatists. What would Jesus, Ayn Rand and even Adam Smith think of the ways their teachings have been presumably melded? In the past the Left also coalesced around certain issues, bringing together groups that were hardly homogeneous. However, from the 60’s onward building of coalitions on the Left has broken down. “Centrists” and “Liberals” became anathema to “progressives” and “radicals”. After all that he had accomplished Martin Luther King became an “Uncle Tom” in the minds of “Black Power” advocates for his refusal to entertain the concept of violence as a tool.

The Left coalition also began to break down in the 60’s over the issue of Viet Nam. Working class union members generally supported the war that was drafting and killing their children. The leadership of the AFL-CIO, who had striven to disassociate themselves from Marxism during the McCarthy era, had become part of the country’s establishment. As George Meany, the AFL-CIO President, began to play golf with Eisenhower and major industrialists, the Union movement swung away from its Left Wing roots. The fact that the labor movement was overwhelmingly “white working class” in an era where Blacks were demanding equal status also took its toll on the coalition between Big Labor and the Democratic Party. The AFL-CIO and Teamsters supported Richard Nixon in 1968..

The labor movement’s departure from coalition with the Democratic Party was to have devastating consequences for its strength. Their workers, doing well financially aspired to a scaled down version of the American Dream. The threat that competition with Blacks for jobs and with the Left’s critique of muscular foreign policy, helped drive white workers into the Republican Party. The fact that their leadership had become cozy with Management and Republicans led the way. The power of the labor movement waned until today it is a shadow of what it once was. The Left coalition forged under FDR and informed experientially by the “Great Depression”, began to fight amongst themselves. The battles increasingly became issues of “purity of political belief”. When a person’s political value is weighed on only specific issues that are politically “black and white”, coalition becomes almost impossible. Without the ability to coalesce “Movements” face severe limitations in their ability to grow.

I believe that in the desire for reforming our governance to work for the interests of all the people, all viable methods must be used. Of the four methods I list above I believe that only the latter three are really viable. A violent revolution in this country will only hasten the totality of oppression, since violent revolutions never seem to work out the way people have planned and that the people once having risen find themselves ruled harshly by those they so hopefully followed. Refute this premise if you will, but please don’t cite the American Revolution. While it certainly had violence it was a rebellion of colonies against an overseas colonial state. By revolution I mean the rebellion of a people in a certain geographical area against their own government. 

Methodologically, none of the three methods can work without bringing together people of differing standards via a coalition that accepts deviation from a “party line”. This seems obvious to me since rarely do those who wish change agree on all issues. Are there “deal breakers” that cannot brook compromise? That depends upon the individual, the perceived threat and the current circumstance. I have my own deal breakers, certainly, but I invoke them in context of my reading of the perceived threat.

What do you the reader think of the argument I’ve made? If you disagree please let me know, since I understand that on any given subject I can be wrong and I am really willing to learn. If you agree with me then what are your “deal breakers”? Perhaps if you show me yours, I’ll show you mine.

 Submitted by: Mike Spindell, guest blogger

 

 

 

683 thoughts on “The Pursuit of Political Purity”

  1. @skiprob: Not only can I read, I can think for myself, and I have the benefit of a few hundred years of observation since Paine.

  2. Gene H:

    Good reply, you didnt say much but it was sure purty.

    “Being biased towards the teachings of a sociopath and the political polemic of non-scientific “economist” isn’t the same thing as being biased toward liberty.”

    Says the guy who thinks Jean Jacques Rousseau ideas of government are a good model for a free society.

    Wasnt Marx some sort of sociopath? And Lenin was probably a psychopath. He was definitely a mass murderer.

  3. Matt,

    Not only that, we understand it when we’re finished. 😉

  4. Skip,

    If you think you have a chance of selling me on Libertarianism?

    Good luck with that.

    You’re going to need it.

    If Bron and others across 2000+ comments on another thread couldn’t make the sale and with much much better arguments than you present, you don’t stand a chance.

  5. skiprob,

    Tony and Gene can figure out what to read for themselves.

    1. Tony C,. not you Matt… And you still don’t think Paine and Jefferson were right? You should be even better able to expand on what they said. No offense, but I’m hearing the Hamilton Federalist side out of you guys. Hamilton was a banker. I’m not hearing the Anti-Federalists, as were Jefferson and Paine, coming out of your arguments. Greater centralization of government. You may not understand it, but that’s the position your advocating.

  6. Skip,

    Maybe you should try understanding what you read. Also, you saying I’m wrong isn’t the same as you proving I’m wrong. How’s that worked out for you so far? Not all arguments require references, skipster. Some merely require proper definitions and logic – things you don’t seem to utilize very well if at all. You can appeal to authority all you like though. It’s just another logical fallacy to add to your ever growing list. BTW, Milton Freidman also thought medical doctors didn’t need to be licensed and was another laissez-faire clown. He was just full of bad ideas. I take him as seriously as I take Alan Greenspan. Which is to say I don’t take him seriously at all unless it’s as a threat to democracy because of his laissez-faire stance (which inherently ends in economic tyranny when put into practice). He was less economist as scientist than he was economist as apologist for the wealthy, a lot like your Libertarian buddy von Mises. Critical of those he learned from? Hell, I’m critical of the man himself consider the dismantling of the consumer protections against bankers malfeasance began under Reagan and that Friedman was one of the Gipper’s chief economic advisers.

    1. Yea and he won the Nobel prize in Economics. Of course Doctors don’t need to be licensed. According to you, people are to stupid to choose qualified doctors and you wonder why medical cost are so high. It’s called monopoly power, the same cause of the extremely high costs within the justice system and one of the biggest problems. These folks are making 10 to 20 times more money than the average person and we’re still the 43 sickest nation in the world. We have licensed doctors, just nobody can afford them. You pill pushing system is really great Gene.

  7. skiprob,

    You’re full of shit. And I got fired because I’m not political.

  8. Bron,

    Or you can continue to wallow in your intellectual inadequacies.

    “I just ask others to read what you wrote and substitute Marx, Rawls, and Alinsky along with the Huffington Post, Think Progress and George Soros along with your name.”

    And I ask you to prove where I’ve used any of those people or sources as authoritative. Otherwise, you’re just playing at propaganda again (and poorly).

    “You make me laugh, we all have our biases. At least I know I am biased toward free markets and human liberty.”

    Being biased towards the teachings of a sociopath and the political polemic of non-scientific “economist” isn’t the same thing as being biased toward liberty. If you were truly concerned about liberty, you wouldn’t be such a blind laissez-faire economics guy because you’d realize the reality of economic tyranny that method produces in practice.

    “You dont admit your bias toward socialism. Nothing wrong with socialism, it just doesnt work.”

    Said the guy who consistently demonstrates he doesn’t know what the spectrum of political and economic behaviors that fall under the umbrella term “socialism” means. I’d admit to a bias toward socialism if I had one just as I admit my bias toward the Constitution. My bias is to pragmatic utilitarian solutions that actually fix problems, not the ravings of a crazy woman or the corporatist fascist apologetics of an Austrian pseudo-economist.

    Too bad for you you telling me not to respond isn’t going to negate these facts or the very real criticism leveled at your ability to learn and comprehend as hobbled by your dogmas. It’s also not going to stop me. I don’t care if you take what I say to heart, Bron. You are a lost cause be it by choice or simple inability to think properly. In pointing out your flaws though, I do hope that someone, somewhere won’t make the same mistakes you’ve made.

    See? Not all lessons are for your sole benefit. You’d maybe realize this if you didn’t wear the chains of Objectivism.

  9. Bron 1, June 6, 2012 at 4:35 pm

    Matt Johnson:

    no, I am not an intellectual. That doesnt mean much, I know a whole host of intellectuals who are dead and wrong starting with Plato and ending with Rawls.

    So what is your point?
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    I know who Niccolo Machiavelli was. And that isn’t you.

  10. @skiprob: Ah, I see that you do not understand [my tinfoil hat conspiracy theory].

    And I see that you do not understand basic reality.

  11. skiprob 1, June 6, 2012 at 4:29 pm

    I’m a little guy also. Who do you think I’m trying to defend? Not the friggin oligarchs. I’m trying to crush their power and not allow it to continue to be consolidated as it has been over the last 50 years. Check the stats their winning.
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    What do you think the Wisconsin vote was about? They aren’t going to win. Forget about the mansions. The Gilded Age doesn’t work.

    Wait until you get a pike stuck up your ass if you think it does.

  12. Matt Johnson:

    no, I am not an intellectual. That doesnt mean much, I know a whole host of intellectuals who are dead and wrong starting with Plato and ending with Rawls.

    So what is your point?

  13. Ah, I see that you don’t have a clue as to what you are talking about.

    Also, you really must get over the idea that I don’t recognize the imprudence and failure of the private components of the Fed as it exists today. I’ve clearly stated more than once that they were a bad idea from the start that in no way impair the arguments for both the utility and necessity of a public central bank.

    If you keep using straw men, skip, I’m going to be tempted to start rubbing your nose in it like a bad puppy. You consistently ask what I think of something, I tell you and then you either mischaracterize what I’ve said or you ignore it and/or say I didn’t answer you.

    1. Don’t underestimate youself Matt, you communicate just fine and that is the basis of an intellectual. Also “Common Sense”. Yea, I read that. Thomas Paine. Good read along with Age of Reason. Paine agrees with the libertarian perspetive. Much of it was probably gained from him. I wish I could get Tony and Gene to read somthing other than what their reading. Maybe they would start to see the light.

  14. Gene H:

    To save me the trouble of responding, I just ask others to read what you wrote and substitute Marx, Rawls, and Alinsky along with the Huffington Post, Think Progress and George Soros along with your name.

    You make me laugh, we all have our biases. At least I know I am biased toward free markets and human liberty. You dont admit your bias toward socialism. Nothing wrong with socialism, it just doesnt work.

  15. That’s very real problem you point to, Matt.

    The Judiciary simply doesn’t have the number of judges it needs to confront the workload the system has.

  16. skiprob,

    The Judiciary is overwhelmed. There can either be an equitable adjustment or not. There is always an adjustment.

    I like it that Professor Turley is defending the little guy. Take it or leave it.

    1. I’m a little guy also. Who do you think I’m trying to defend? Not the friggin oligarchs. I’m trying to crush their power and not allow it to continue to be consolidated as it has been over the last 50 years. Check the stats their winning.

  17. “Any legislation can be easily be trumped by the Judiciary. Anything of importance generally is. ”

    No, it can’t. The Judiciary is constrained by the Constitution and any constitutionally valid constraints put upon it by the Legislature. If legislation is trumped by the Judiciary it is because that legislation runs afoul of the Constitution and/or was vague in some respect that merits adjudication until Congress either remedies their vagueness or opts to let precedent and stare decisis control that legal standard at bar. The Judiciary is, despite your mischaracterization, the weakest of the three branches of government.

  18. Bron 1, June 6, 2012 at 4:01 pm

    Matt Johnson:

    I am ass? Why do you say that? You are the one that said public schools started giving free lunches because the cannon fodder wasnt big enough and well nourished enough.

    That is the thing with big government, that is how they think of the citizens, as cannon fodder. They own us or so they think, the government is going to find out they dont.
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    What are you going to do about it?

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