Submitted by: Mike Spindell, guest blogger
Liber: From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
“In ancient Roman religion and mythology, Liber (“the free one”), also known as Liber Pater (“the free Father”) was a god of viticulture and wine, fertility and freedom. He was a patron deity of Rome’s plebeians and was part of their Aventine Triad. His festival of Liberalia (March 17) became associated with free speech and the rights attached to coming of age. His cult and functions were increasingly associated with Bacchus and his Greek equivalent Dionysus, whose mythologies he came to share.”
Lib·er·ty: [lib-er-tee] noun, plural lib·er·ties. 1. freedom from arbitrary or despotic government or control.2. freedom from external or foreign rule; independence. 3. freedom from control, interference, obligation, restriction, hampering conditions, etc.; power or right of doing, thinking, speaking, etc., according to choice. 4. freedom from captivity, confinement, or physical restraint: The prisoner soon regained his liberty.5. permission granted to a sailor, especially in the navy, to go ashore. (from Dictionary.com)
With the ongoing discussions, cum arguments, that have flowed back and forth for years on our various threads between our Libertarian, Rand influenced commenters and people of other perspectives, I’d like to explore the similarities and differences that distinguish those three title words all obviously flowing from the same Latin Root. As we see Liber was a Roman God associated with freedom. With the definition of Liberty above we can see that the suffix ty (meaning state of) converts this freedom loving God into a concept of freedom. Al as a suffix which means pertaining to, added to Liber creates a noun connoting someone who believes in Liberty, in other words the political view called Liberal.
Now Tarian as a suffix connotes: “A believer in something. An advocate of something. (rare) A native or inhabitant of somewhere.” Thus we see that Libertarian connotes by its’ structure a noun which means an advocate of freedom. These three title words therefore all have the same root and each is evocative of the support of freedom, so how come there are not only numerous internecine battles between advocates of Liberty? Dropping etymology, which is not my area of expertise, I’d like to opine on why this disagreement between advocates of Liberty, thus in some ways disciples of Liber, have led to such angry disputations.
Liberty was the original notion upon which this country was founded. Originally that liberty meant to be free of the imperialist boot of the British Empire, which was extracting excessive taxation from its colonies and thus diminishing profits. Almost all of those who we call our “Founding Fathers” were among the wealthiest of men in the Colonies and thus had economic motivation for ridding themselves of the exploitation of this empire over the sea. Had that alone remained the sole concept of Liberty in the American context, we might have had a far different form of governance. Luckily for us the “Founding Fathers” were men of “The Enlightenment” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Enlightenment and therefore Liberal, when used in the sense of open to freedom of thought from old norms. There is a debate that has raged from the 1960’s as to whether Locke, or republicanism was more influential on the founding fathers, but I’ll leave that to those to whom philosophy is important. I my opinion more salient is the fact that our “Founding Fathers” were open to new forms of governing and that represents Liberal in a general sense of being open to new ideas.
Somewhere along the way Liberal’s meaning also morphed into a political concept and then a partisan one. I think the political usage of Liberal reached its apogee in the Administration of FDR and in the 48 years until Reagan’s election. Liberal politics defined government’s role as one of ensuring citizens of not only freedom, but of equality of opportunity. In FDR’s mind and in the minds of the “thinkers” of his administration the metaphor for life was a race towards success by all the people. Government’s proper role in this should be as a referee that ensures that each citizen starts that race with an equal chance of success or failure, recognizing that for those who “fail” there must be a “safety net” to protect them from total devastation. Conceptually, the Liberal political view boiled down to “we are our brother’s keeper”.
However, as I’ve mentioned our revolution was born in a resentment of taxation and imperial control of economic activities. That too was an important, parallel strain of American political thought and provided the counterweight to Liberal ideology. We can roughly call this important strain of American political discourse Conservative ideology. Proponents of this ideology tended to be alarmed by change that re-imagined a sense of stability and continuity. Its advocates were comforted by what they saw as basic values which included a defined social structure and moral limits of the citizenry through laws that codified religious belief and maintained above all, a sense of order and stability in life and in commerce.
Through our history this Conservative ideology emphasized Christianity as a moral basis of law, which oversaw patriarchy and ensured at least public recognition of restraining people’s “baser” urges such as sexuality and salaciousness. Thus our country, born in liberty, saw our politics as a battle between two differing ideas of what freedom meant. While Conservative ideology sought to limit licentiousness and disruption of the social status quo, it strongly believed in liberty for all forms of financial enterprise. From the Liberal perspective though, financial enterprise must be moderated by regulation, lest it become oppressive to the liberty of the many. These counterpoints of perspective are what is behind our seeming two track American political belief. Public debate in this Country has tended to recognize only these two poles of religious belief and has marginalized other nuances on the political spectrum.
The fact though is that all Conservative ideology is not based solely on a perception of religious morality. Indeed, the truth is that many people of wealth, or aspiring to wealth, are not what you would call religiously called. We all know that even the least comely of people can suddenly have sexual magnetism when you add wealth, fame and/or power to their arsenal of public persona. In all countries and in all times the elite class of humanity has felt themselves above the constraints of public morality. While maintaining outwardly sober lives, their private and yet sometimes unfortunate public excesses have brought them under public censure and made “traditional Conservative values” uncomfortable ones for them to be able live their lives as they please. This created a vacuum of belief in our rigidly bi-polar political system.
There has always been a Libertarian faction in the American political process. This is composed of those individuals against imposing both personal and commercial morality on the populace, most especially when it came to their own predilections. It arose at the birth of our nation in the aversion to taxation and morphed into holding that individual freedom takes precedence over societal interests. While it existed throughout our history http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism philosophical debate it took a rather turgid popular author, Ayn Rand, to widely popularize it. Her most seminal work “Atlas Shrugged” has become best seller and quasi “bible” to a wide swath of influential thinkers, many possessing wealth and/or influence. While embracing individual freedom in the social sense actually seems similar to Liberal belief, the thinking part ways radically as the Libertarian’s also have an almost mystical concept that the “Free Market” is able to effectively regulate society’s interactions.
This piece is not an exercise in presenting my own political viewpoint, though I imagine many here are aware of what I believe. My aim is to point out how and original concept, borne many thousands of years ago in a so-called “pagan” tradition can take the same root concept and revise (and re-revise) it into political and social philosophy. The God (Demi-God?) Liber represented the human longing to be “free” of the constraints of conventional morality and religious adherence, to be in fact Liberal in action, thought and speech. The Libertarian idea takes that intellectual/emotional freedom and adds in the freedom of commercial interests and by doing so creates a new vision. Via the historical metamorphosis of both language and philosophical concept, the God Liber has given birth to a multitude of strains of political positioning, some of which are antithetical to each other. And so it goes.
I’ve used this piece to restate my own sense that when we allow ourselves to be guided by various concepts that can be defined by “Isms” we lead ourselves astray. Words are tricky things in that each of us can view the same word, deduce the concept it represents and then come to different conclusions as to what they mean and how we should use them. The simple fact is that none of us is given early instruction on how to organize our thought processes. Because thinking is something we each come to individually, much prior to any formal educational process, we are still limited when it comes to true communications with others as much as we pretend the opposite. We fight our political and social battles with words that vary with each beholder. My frustration, at times, as someone who has been a major commenter here is that no matter how clear I think my exposition is, my position will be misunderstood by individuals to whom the same words will have different meanings. While like most humans I don’t hesitate to assert my personal beliefs, there is frustration to be found when others through their perspective find connotations that weren’t my intention. Perhaps the problems we humans have in getting along peacefully, stems from the fact that we have yet to find adequate, broad based means to really communicate with one another. I hope I’ve communicated this clearly, but who knows? Perhaps this is but a sour mood I’ve awakened to on this beautiful morning in the country after weeks of reading the ongoing debates with Libertarians and concluding they are exercises in non-communication.
Submitted by: Mike Spindell, guest blogger
It says on MY screen that my last comment is awaiting moderation. Everything in moderation, including moderation. What is moderation on this blog? Censorship?
Hey BarkinDog,
Sorry for asking you if you’re a Communist? Do want to have a barking contest? I’m a “mean” German Shepherd.
But I’m not as mean as cats because they’re always trying to figure out what you’re doing.
I wonder why this blog seldom addresses the central issue of liberty in a nationstate: the death penalty. Many conservatives say that they are religious and good church goers. Yet they embrace the death penalty–they love it. This does not reconcile with the Sixth Commandment: Thou Shalt Not Kill. They will say: you need to read your bible. I say: I dont have the Sears Roebuck Bible. The Sixth Commandment was written in stone. No exceptions for the People of the State of Missouri–no Y’all Can. Someone above asked if I am a communist. No. The only communists I know of in the world run China. That is the country that Romney and the Bain Capitalists want to give all of our jobs to. But what I want to know is what the death penaly proponents and killers are gonna say when their time comes at the Pearly Gates and they have to answer to Saint Peter. Hell hath no limits.
I still don’t know what exactly the author’s point is, but relatively little has changed in this country since 1776. Rich white men were behind our revolt against England because, under the cover of “no taxation…”, just as they still do today.
So-called liberals will rationalize voting for Obama, while so-called conservatives will vote for Romney — with the typical voter choosing the
“lesser of two evils” whenever they cast their ballot in November
Very interesting Mike. Great job.
It is amazing that one speaks of liberty when we have none. Yes, we are better off than some countries. However, in some areas repression is the norm, especially if you happen to be Hispanic in the Southwest or Black in the South or pretty near anywhere they have an axe to grind or quotas to fill.
Occupy Wall Street is a prime example of our government in full repression mode. Being a Democrat in the US House of Representatives is another example. Today it is more of picking which poisons to take.
ID707,
Post-war scenario? Just stop doing it.
Tricky Dick said, you’re not going to have me to kick around anymore. BTW – in most respects, I think he was a good president. Why did his secretary erase some of the tapes? Making those tapes in the first place was stupid.
Johnson said he wasn’t going to be the first American president to lose a war. Well guess what, he let Tricky Dick do it instead. The United States didn’t lose that war. They gave it away.
As many say here, they believe there are no “former” agents.
And if it was meant to be discovered. some “reasonable” mistake easily detectable must be made. I have no access to investigations, only speculation. So have fun yourself.
The joy of speculation is endless. For exsmple, did both Nixon and Johnson not end the war because they
did not have a post-war scenario with the necessary backing? Make up your own.
ID707,
A few hired end-of-the-trail “former” CIA and FBI ops willing to do a fall for a little cash would do the “sloppy” burglary. The “tape” which was said to be the giveaway to the guard, is instead proof that it was a setup from the beginning. The question there was how much did the guard get for his “discovery”.
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They should make sure they use the duct tape properly next time. If if wasn’t a setup, they’re complete idiots. Even if it was a setup, they’re complete idiots.
CLH said:
“Create a fund for all national level elections, and limit candidates to a specific set of resources. The amount isn’t necessarily an important issue, so much as the equal access.”
My belief entirely. This incessant money-grubbing circus of Romney & Obama, for example, makes me queasy.
And a sitting President – at the edge of America’s frightening financial precipice – investing countless hours banging the dollar drum?
It strikes me as seedy and just plain wrong. This cannot possibly be the consummate path to quality leadership.
OTOTOT
FORTY YEARS AFTER WATERGATE
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The AP has a lead article on the above. I clicked from there to:
http://www.archives.gov/education/lessons/watergate-constitution/
Which gives a copy of the internal memo within the Special Prosedutor’s group, discussing the pros and cons of proceeding with criminal charges against Nixon, then citizen and no longer President.
Considering the weak and primarily politically motivated cons given one can wonder why he was not indicted, etc.
Perhaps due to stalling, so Ford could get up the courage to pardon him.
Have fun pondering the what-ifs that are being aired around the nation and media.
According to Dean, he had advised against the break-in, and thought it dead (any believe the latter point?).
Can it have been what we’ve mentioned recently; a convenient way to sabotage a figure with power where conventional means won’t suffice. IE, somebody, knowing how paranoid Nixon was, planted a honey pot which he could not help saying “Gimme some” to eagerly and insistently.
A few hired end-of-the-trail “former” CIA and FBI ops willing to do a fall for a little cash would do the “sloppy” burglary. The “tape” which was said to be the giveaway to the guard, is instead proof that it was a setup from the beginning. The question there was how much did the guard get for his “discovery”.
The biggest question today? Can Obama continue to violate the laws and the Constitution and not be impeached and or tried for war crimes, against humanity, etc.?
Thanks for the space.
Great article, Mike.
Exercises in non-communication indeed.
BarkinDog,
Are you a Communist?
if someone calls a dog a friggin Liberal does that mean that the name caller named Willard is a friggin Nazi? I think it does.
The Wisconsin recall election. The Republicans outspent the Democrats about 7.5 to 1. Where do you think that money came from? The public at large is going to get what they deserve. Won’t be long.
Smooth laying down of the verbal pavement today Mike. Quite a smooth ride reading it.
I had earlier read a piece by Lakoff, so will share two quotes from it:
(Economics and Morality). Lakoff is famous for pointing out that the lion’s share of human cognition takes place in the subconscious, while the very small percentage of mental events take place in the conscious mind.
Most of the communication between these orientations is like two ships passing in the night, i.e., down under.
Nice etymological summary, Mike S.
I tend to lean towards the liberal views myself, except where I diverge on things like gun ownership, and tolerance of religion as a concept. I make fun of religion, but I generally leave it be except when I see nutters using religion as a framework for their nutterdom. (Nutterdom is a technical term, OS 😉 ) I also tend to cringe at the thought of over regulation by the government of the marketplace. I’m for consumer protection against fraud and reckless market endangerment, or endangerment of the consumer, but beyond that I don’t like government having the ability to control so much of our power base. If we elected rational, good faith actors into government, I would have less of an issue with that. In fact, I wouldn’t care so much WHO was in office, provided they actually believed the bullshit they spouted. Good faith efforts will generally tend to better government. But as you (I think it was you) pointed out earlier, the only time we’ll have good faith actors in government is when money is removed from the electoral process. Create a fund for all national level elections, and limit candidates to a specific set of resources. The amount isn’t necessarily an important issue, so much as the equal access.
Just depends.
Good article Mike. Liberty has many different meanings to different folks. What constitutes liberty for some is actually supression for others. When one is free to express an idea or ideals without repercussions then you have real liberty. Take this blog for instance, there is supposed liberty here….. And when the professor ran it, we had freedom. Today not so much. You have folks mining data off of here for personal use. Who knows what they intend to do with the information gleaned here…… As someone once said, the best secrets are those you never tell another soul…..then you can keep your liberty in check……
Navy guys deserve their liberty.