Are The Colts God’s Team?

-Submitted by David Drumm (Nal), Guest Blogger

If Indianapolis Colts interim head coach Bruce Arians has his way only “high quality” people will be part of the Colts’ organization. What determines a “high quality” person in Arians’ mind? A person who “cares about faith, family and football.” No atheists are welcome.

Arians’ blatant bigotry against the 15% of Americans who reject faith may pay big dividends on the football field. The correlation between great performance on the field and belief in God is evidenced with Tim Tebow. When Tebow wins, millions of believers attribute the win to Tebow’s faith and their belief in God is reinforced.

The former head coach, Jim Caldwell, now quarterbacks coach for the Baltimore Ravens, would quote the Bible’s New Testament in his pregame chats to the team. This kind of demonstration from the head coach excludes those players, if any, who don’t share his Christian faith.

Jacob Tamme, former tight end for the Colts, put it this way:

The Colts are known for having the reputation of a godly Christian example. That is because the coaches here set the Christian example.

The NFL has long been a leader in fighting bigotry and judging players based on their abilities. It is time the NFL stands up against the exclusionary tactics perpetrated by religious bigots. It is a stain on the NFL’s reputation.

H/T: Austin Cline, The Times-Picayune, Mike Florio, Stampede Blue.

99 thoughts on “Are The Colts God’s Team?

  1. Nal,

    You don’t know this coach to be a bigot because he uses his reference points to do his job. Where is the harm and injustice? Has he said that athiests won’t make the team or have playing time? Athiests aren’t harmed from hearing biblical references. I find the comments of people that espouse entitlement programs off putting, but I don’t claim bigotry when I hear it. There seem to be a disproportionate number of athiests on this blog, I don’t claim bigotry because they espouse their views. I only call foul when they begin to criticize, not analyze, and disrespect the beliefs of others. I don’t read that happening in the story you have posted above.

    I think being offended by everything undermines the “rightness” of a position in those times when we need to identify and eradicate injustice.

    To address a larger theme for those that participate in this blog, let’s consider the Butterfly Effect. If we practice intolerance and reactionary criticism here, then it will exist all over the world. If we want tolerance and reasoned discussion in the NFL, then let’s practice it here.

  2. Yep…. And America’s team…. The cowboys must be the mark of the beast….. They haven’t won a Super Bowl since Jerry Jones bought them…..

  3. I have faith in horses and particularly young colts. This has nothing to do with Dog or God (however one spells it). So, if I was a Colts fain then I would say I had faith n the mature colts not the old hags or young colts out of the birhtin barn.

  4. Colts and the Godly Chrstian example of bashing into other human beings, that is rich. Never heard or Read of Christ playing foot ball or suggesting that his followers do so. People who make these kinds of statement show their ignorance of Christ’s teachings. As to the intolerance of his position, its is blatant and obvious. He has the right to his position and I have the right to criticize. I also have the right to not watch the games in which the Colts play and encourage others to do the same. Until we are a theocracy people also have a right to be unbelievers or believers at their choice; jobs are not permitted to be allocated on the basis of religious belief.

  5. As a Jets fan I am very sympathetic to the needs of those religious Colts. It seems to me that given their moral stance they would want the most pious of players to quarterback their team. That being the case I propose an immediate trade of Quarterbacks, we will give them Tim Tebow and $10 million, for Andrew Luck. We will also fully pay off Tebow’s contract. It’s a win/win for them. They get Jesus’ quarterback and his blessings to catapult them to the Super Bowl and we get a good Quarterback, who isn’t willing to wear his faith on his sleeve. An added blessing of course is that he is still a virgin, wishing to remain chaste until marriage, so he can keep his mind exclusively on football and above his beltline.

  6. MikeS, I have a good friend who is a Jet’s fan. He goes to all the games w/ his daughter. I feel his pain and yours. Before getting rid of Tebow you need to get rid of that blowhard coach. Sean Payton is a free agent!

    Vince Lombardi’s motto was “God, family, football.” However, he believed religion was about social justice, not just going to church[which he did every day]. Lombardi felt the prejudice Italians had to endure back then. It took him much longer than it took wasp coaches to get a head coaching job. That job was w/ the pathetic Packers, a job no one wanted. We all know how that turned out. This injustice made him profoundly sensitive to the much worse prejudice black players were experiencing. He quickly drafted black players and had the most black players in the league. Lombardi, according to ALL players he coached say the man was the most fair and color blind coach they ever had. He stood up to the commissioner and other owners when one of his black players wanted to marry a white woman, a big f@ckn’ deal in the mid 60’s. All that said, a person who understood the TRUE meaning of religion like Lombardi should have the same empathy for atheists that Lombardi had for black players. Atheists have it rough in our culture. I deplore the evangelical religious people as obviously many people here do. However, it is wrong to paint all religious people w/ that broad brush. Besides Lombardi, I submit MLK and MalcolmX.

  7. “Vince Lombardi’s motto was “God, family, football.” However, he believed religion was about social justice, not just going to church[which he did every day]. Lombardi felt the prejudice Italians had to endure back then. It took him much longer than it took wasp coaches to get a head coaching job”


    Vince’s only problem was that the NFL coterie bestowing sainthood upon him
    used his words out of context to underline their own macho perspective. The “winning is the only thing” for instance was Vince expressing the true nature of the NFL and pro sports in general. Vince was a friend and supporter of JFK for instance, yet from his deification after his death you would think him Nixonian. The idea that God watches over athletes and sports contests is not only ridiculous, it is in its true sense blasphemous, since it is demeaning of any concept of God. The truth is, however, that Arians use of his public piety is probably as much PR ploy as it is belief. I’ve know many truly pious, saintly people in my life and for them their religion, while practiced daily and deeply, was never worn on their sleeves and proclaimed for all to hear.

  8. MikeS, Absolutely. It’s the evangelical aspect of religion and to a lesser degree the evangelicalism, as it were, of atheists that is the problem. However, I have empathy for the evangelical atheists somewhat because they feel under assault, and it’s not paranoia.

    I played football @ a Catholic HS. Our priest was a wise man. He would say before every team prayer, “God doesn’t care who wins this game, we pray that everyone on the field play their best because “The Lord helps them who help themselves.” And we pray that no one on the field get injured.” It seems religion has devolved since I was growing up in the 50’s and 60’s.

  9. While I am a Cowboys fan, I thought it was a little presumptuous that they called themselves Americas team, though they had some good reasons for that, mainly the cheerleaders. So it seems like almost blasphemy to proclaim oneself GODs team. Incredible! By the way, I hope the Colts cheerleaders will reflect that new found Christianity and have them dressed in floor length skirts or dresses. THAT will sure show their piety. It might turn off some fans, but who cares, since it is for GOD to cover up what he has made.

  10. Reminds me of that chicken guy. … what was the name … Chick-fil-A?

    The religious bigotry of fundamentalist Jesus folk is more of a problem for Christians than it is for atheists in the exact same manner that Wahhabism is more of a problem for Muslims than anyone else.

    It is their Christianity that is being perverted and they should be landing all over this idiot. Any football player who claims God is on their side is committing heresy in that no true Christian would dare claim to know the mind of God unless, and this is the truly funny part, that player is an atheist.

  11. As an atheist, I have long thought that giving God credit for what people have done disrespects the charity and kindness of people, and propagates the belief that people would be evil if not forced to be kind by God’s strong arm.

    Tebow cannot win a game single-handedly, he needs a team. Giving God credit for his win disses the contribution of his team, his coach, the staff that keeps the books and pays the bills and negotiates the contracts. The game is won by everybody, whether you are the quarterback, the second assistant coach, the janitor or the CEO of a company.

    If the win is given by God, so is the loss, and a belief that you have been punished when you have really just been incompetent is wrong-headed and toxic. The win is not a gift from God, it is a reward for working harder and smarter than the competition, and that translates to everybody on the team that put in the extra hours, extra effort, and creativity needed to get there.

  12. Are The Colts God’s Team?

    Nope, that would be the Saints who smite their opponents with all manner of indignities (for pay) in addition to employing the jawbone of an ass — who is now suspended indefinitely.

  13. From what I understand (keeping in mind that my father was a big wheel in the Hall of Fame organization and my next door neighbor, as a child, was the labor negotiator who helped the Packers and Browns get union representation .. i.e. I grew up surrounded by many very large professional football players), football players are very superstitious and each has his own game ritual. This form of Christianity sounds more like superstition ritual than religious faith.

  14. Blouise, So much of organized religion is ritual and rote, that’s why I am religious but reject organized religion. And, while footbal players are all star superstitous, baseball players are OCD, Hall of Fame superstitous. That said, the most OCD athlete I have ever seen was the great goalie for the Flyers, Ron Hextall. I would be mesmerized the rituals he would go through after a save and sending the puck to the other end of the ice. I could give you some of the ritual but it would take too much time. But after watching him over time I kind of got it. Goalies have incredible eye hand coordination, eyesight and refelexes. It’s like having to be a neurosurgeon performing surgery on a busy interstate. These rituals were calming to him between saves. He needed to take comfort in the ritual in order to unwind and be ready for the next save. I made my living watching people and there are few things more fascinating.

  15. Aren’t football teams privately owned organizations? If so, I think they can do what they want including all the god rants. If their fans like it, they can support them. If people don’t like it, don’t go to the games, don’t buy their sports stuff, and turn off the TV.

    If they are a publicly owned institution – getting governments funds – then it needs to be addressed. If they want to do the god talk, they should do it on their own time and money, not mine!

  16. frankm, Thank you very much. My father and uncles[7] taught me as a child to thank soldiers in uniform which I have done all my life. They all served in WW2. A few years ago I was @ a hotel in San Diego. I was sitting in a hot tub w/ a young man who was drinking cerveza and talking to his grandma on his cell. This kid was a Marine, about to be deployed the following day to Afghanistan. He ws explaing to grandma that the only way they would be able to communicate on this deployment was via Skype. I would learn this was his 3rd deployment. This kid was so patient w/ his grandma. He had just bought her a laptop the day before and given her a crash course. Grandma was pretty lost trying to work the computer. The Marine kept assuring grandma his sister was just 10 minutes away and would help her whenever she needed it. He was so patient. He would smile @ me as he sipped a beer, smiling and raising his eyebrows as he calmed grandma down. After he hung up I complimented him and thanked him for his service. He looked surprised. I asked him how often he gets thanks. He said, “I get thanks all the time from family and friends but this is the first time in 8 years a stranger thanked me.” frankm, there will be some who will scoff @ this either “in camera” or privately. That’s also what these soldiers fight for, as tough as it is to take.

  17. nick spinelli: Thank you. My father, Frank Mascagni, Jr. served in WW II. Army of the United States, Headquarters Battery, 538th Field Artillery Battalion, Honorable Discharge 1945. I, too, was taught to always respect veterans. I always remind my four grown up children to walk up to any serviceman or woman, thank them for their service and offer to buy them a cup of coffee.

    Here is a heart warming short story for all our bloggers:


    The Box Lunches

    I put my carry-on in the luggage compartment and sat down in my assigned seat. It was going to be a long flight. ‘I’m glad I have a good book to read. Perhaps I will get a short nap,’ I thought.

    Just before take-off, a line of soldiers came down the aisle and filled all the vacant seats, totally surrounding me. I decided to start a conversation.

    ‘Where are you headed?’ I asked the soldier seated nearest to me. ‘Petawawa. We’ll be there for two weeks for special training, and then we’re being deployed to Afghanistan

    After flying for about an hour, an announcement was made that box lunches were available for five dollars. It would be several hours before we reached the east, and I quickly decided a lunch would help pass the time…

    As I reached for my wallet, I overheard a soldier ask his buddy if he planned to buy lunch. ‘No, that seems like a lot of money for just a sack lunch. Probably wouldn’t be worth five bucks. I’ll wait till we get to base.’ His friend agreed.

    I looked around at the other soldiers. None were buying lunch. I walked to the back of the plane and handed the flight attendant a fifty dollar bill. ‘Take a lunch to all those soldiers.’ She grabbed my arms and squeezed tightly. Her eyes w et with tears, she thanked me. ‘My son was a soldier in Iraq; it’s almost like you are doing it for him.’

    Picking up ten boxes, she headed up the aisle to where the soldiers were seated. She stopped at my seat and asked, ‘Which do you like best – beef or chicken?’

    ‘Chicken,’ I replied, wondering why she asked. She turned and went to the front of plane, returning a minute later with a dinner plate from first class. ‘This is your thanks.’

    After we finished eating, I went again to the back of the plane, heading for the rest room. A man stopped me. ‘I saw what you did. I want to be part of it. Here, take this.’ He handed me twenty-five dollars.

    Soon after I returned to my seat, I saw the Flight Captain coming down the aisle, looking at the aisle numbers as he walked, I hoped he was not looking for me, but noticed he was looking at the numbers only on my side of the plane. When he got to my row he stopped, smiled, held out his hand and said, ‘I want to shake your hand.’ Quickly unfastening my seatbelt I stood and took the Captain’s hand. With a booming voice he said, ‘I was a soldier and I was a military pilot. Once, someone bought me a lunch. It was an act of kindness I never forgot.’ I was embarrassed when applause was heard from all of the passengers.

    Later I walked to the front of the plane so I could stretch my legs. A man who was seated about six rows in front of me reached out his hand, wanting to shake mine. He left another twenty-five dollars in my palm

    When we landed I gathered my belongings and started to deplane. Waiting just inside the airplane door was a man who stopped me, put something in my shirt pocket, turned, and walked away without saying a word. Another twenty-five dollars!
    Upon entering the terminal, I saw the soldiers gathering for their trip to the base. I walked over to them and handed them seventy-five dollars. ‘It will take you some time to reach the base. It will be about time for a sandwich. God Bless You.’

    Ten young men left that flight feeling the love and respect of their fellow travelers.

    As I walked briskly to my car, I whispered a prayer for their safe return. These soldiers were giving their all for our country. I could only give them a couple of meals. It seemed so little…

    A veteran is someone who, at one point in his life, wrote a blank check made payable to ‘The United States of America’ for an amount of ‘up to and including my life.’

    That is Honor, and there are way too many people in this country who no longer understand it.’

    May God give you the strength and courage to pass this along to everyone on your email buddy list….


    There is nothing attached. Just send this to people in your address book. Do not let it stop with you. Of all the gifts you could give a Marine, Soldier, Sailor, Airman, & others deployed in harm’s way, prayer is the very best one.

  18. When that guys time comes and he has his four minutes at the Pearly Gates for the interview and Saint Peter has his stand-in there that day the stand-in will be a full grown horse. And this guy will get sent to Limbo which is a suburb of Indianapolis. And there he will spend some time learning the real gospel.

  19. The Washington Deadskins went through a lower profile version of this nonsense during the Joe Gibbs era, Afterward, not surprisingly, it was revealed that members of the team “Talked Christian” as an insincere form of brown-nosing. The need for a “muscular Christianity”always has struck me as a tacit expression of concern about the wimpy way in which Christianists are perceived. Competent, skilled people, regardless of what they do or what they believe will lead by example rather trhan by vaccuous piety.

  20. Dredd–I think the Colts might yet be the first. Having lived in Indiana for a couple years awhile ago, it was long enough to see that jingoism is pretty indigenous to much of the Hoosier state.

  21. Dredd: how about “The Jihadists.”

    Old Nurse: good analysis. In furtherance, do all remember that former (=and long time) football coach at the Air Force Academy who was so shrill in his religiosity that they finally let him pass into the dustbin of history…

    Organized religion is just another retail business, a way for certain silver-tongued salesmen to make a living…

  22. One must be rooted in the word that harms no one else adversity comes havering plant wither and die. The person with God will be able to suffer long enduring hard ship even as Job endured it.

  23. I care less about whether the hillbilly heroin permeates one sports team or another, but for Jeebus’ sake, get rid of those atavistic team names like the Washington Redskins, Kansas City Chiefs, Atlanta Braves, et al.

    To be fully unenlightened, let’s have us some Orlando Crackers, Nashville Negroes, or the New York Hebes? Sounds fair to me.

    Can I get an Amen, brothers and sisters?

  24. Just scrollinng by, admiring the harmony in the grandstands. Peace, so nice. No irony or sarcasm intended.

    1, November 10, 2012 at 12:15 pm

    THANK YOU. My brother and I were both soldiers. We both lucked out and did not get assigned to combat zones.
    The part about the blank check made a deep point.

    Funny, I even thank women with newborns sometimes.
    For their risking their and their child’s lives in this world. Some of them understand and answer with their eyes.

  25. frankm, God bless you. Don’t be offended by the lack of response. This is not a good venue for such heartwarming stories. There’s too much negativity to appreciate it. There are snickers “in camera” I assure you.

    Frank, your old man is probably like many WW2 vets who saw battle. They simply don’t talk about was too horrible. I just finished a book about Gil Hodges. He was a Marine in the Pacific and highly decorated for valor. But, he NEVER spoke about it, even to his wife. My father-in-law flew numerous missions over Germany as a 21 year old pilot. He flew one of those bombers w/ the plexiglass bubble under the cockpit that had a gunner. Ironically, on 9/10/01 there was one of those bombers @ the Madison, Wi. airport on display. We took him there and paid for his tour. We wanted to buy a flight[1/2hour] but it was apparent it would be too emotional. He looked and touched the control panel, sat in the seat and looked so melancholy. When we got out he walked over to that bubble. This stoic man touched the bubble and teared up as he told us about a real tough mission, taking a lot of gunfire. They limped back to the UK and after landing saw the bubble was mostly blown off and his buddy was gone. Frank, if it weren’t for our fathers, grandfathers, etc. the folks here might be speaking German. That’s if their blonde. If not blonde, they wouldn’t be speaking. Thanks to your dad, Frank.

  26. rafflaw, With “Good Jay” they’re a good team. But, “Bad Jay” is always lurking, and always seems to appear @ the worst time. Cutler is a loser and a horrible leader. Million dollar arm and a 10 cent head. With a qb like Rodgers, Manning[either one], RG3, Luck, etc. they would win the Super Bowl.

  27. Gene

    my first thought would be the patron saint of martyrs but apparently there isn’t one. tebow being protestant he would no doubt refuse to wear a helmet with a saint on it anyway, besides with gods protection he really doesn’t need a helmet. or pads, or a cup.

    i guess at halftime they could nail some lucky fan to the goalposts.

  28. Nick, no. But a hell of a lot of minorities have served – not that you could tell by that clip.

    Oh well. America got its first demographic lesson last Tuesday. Future shorts will not be making the same mistake.

  29. “i guess at halftime they could nail some lucky fan to the goalposts.”

    pete, the networks love the idea. Doritos and Bud are already competing for ad placement.

  30. No That should not even be emulated.That would show people acting like the condeminmg unsaved religious people against Jesus. Jesus in us saves Jesus in us does not crucify anyone.

  31. It used to astonish me that sports had something to do with religion. It used to astonish me that people thought religion had something to do with sex. It used to astonish me that there was some sort of connection between things that had no relevance — until it came into focus. These huge spectator sports sports are to us what the religious rituals were once able to be — unifying and thus competitively divisive principles that let us feel validated and “chosen” — by outside forces we can worship and whose divine victories we can therefore adopt. We WIN! Of course religion plays an important part in uniting teams and in inspiring “winning behaviors.” It’s so bizarre there must be names for it.

  32. “And Jesus of Nazareth scores a grand slam! Cubs win!”

    Unless that is the accurate play by play? I could really do without ever hearing another sports figure credit Jesus or God or whatever for their win. I’m pretty sure God (if he/she/it exists) doesn’t have a favorite sports team and it really detracts from the hard work the players did to earn their victory.

  33. frankmascagniiii,

    I never forget that I am free because they were brave. I personally am thanking both of my son-in-laws and my oldest daughter with cards and a flower.

  34. Religion does not have to do with sex/ Know history.Religious people arrested Jesus in Gethsemane wanting jesus dead. Jesus created penises. The devil is in religion wishing he could destroy all of them.This is our portion under the sun. Do whatever with all of your might, but love whoever as yourself, and obtain a greater gift after this life.

  35. Jesus.

    That’d make a real nifty t-shirt, artie, but you’re implying God left something out of his six day rush job in building the universe.

  36. Gene H

    Actually in the garden of Eden God did offer a penis to Eve. She turned to him and refused it, saying “No thanks big “G” I am very contented with the brain between my ears.
    God was chagrined by this choice, yet he recognized the wisdom in Eves denial. So as a reward he gave to Eve a teeny tiny penis, that would enhance pleasure but not interfere powerfully with brainwaves and logic. To keep Adam from prancing around 52 weeks a year proud and chest pounding about the dominance of his tool, he allowed for women to be visited monthly by “humours” which for the entire life of all males, confuses and bewilders mens understanding of the female logic. Viva La Difference !! and Deference!! :)

    This story was not accepted for inclusion in the Bible, it was burned in the temple of Ephesus.

  37. Blouise: I too send Veterans Day cards to some of my heroes today. Here are some Veterans Day Quotes I found online:

    by Joe Waters

    This wonderful collection of quotes about Veterans Day is an excellent way to pay tribute to the military veterans of our country. Veterans Day is a national holiday honoring military veterans and is observed in the United States each year on November 11. Veterans Day is also observed in other parts of the world and is often referred to as Armistice Day or Remembrance Day.

    This list of quotes about Veterans Day will help you remember and honor the veterans of our country. Whether you have a family member or friend that has served our country…I’m sure you’ll find a Veterans Day quote that will help you celebrate their bravery and effort.

    20 Memorable Quotes About Veterans Day

    Famous Veterans Day Quote #1

    This nation will remain the land of the free only so long as it is the home of the brave.

    Elmer Davis

    Famous Veterans Day Quote #2

    In war, there are no unwounded soldiers.

    Jose Narosky

    Famous Veterans Day Quote #3

    A hero is someone who has given his or her life to something bigger than oneself.

    Joseph Campbell

    Famous Veterans Day Quote #4

    Freedom is never free.

    Author Unknown

    Famous Veterans Day Quote #5

    How important it is for us to recognize and celebrate our heroes and she-roes!

    Maya Angelou

    Famous Veterans Day Quote #6

    It is easy to take liberty for granted, when you have never had it taken from you.

    Author Unknown

    Famous Veterans Day Quote #7

    Lord, bid war’s trumpet cease; Fold the whole earth in peace.

    Oliver Wendell Holmes

    Famous Veterans Day Quote #8

    I dream of giving birth to a child who will ask, Mother, what was war?

    Eve Merriam

    Famous Veterans Day Quote #9

    We often take for granted the very things that most deserve our gratitude.

    Cynthia Ozick

    Famous Veterans Day Quote #10

    The more we sweat in peace the less we bleed in war.

    Vijaya Lakshmi Pandit

    Famous Veterans Day Quote #11

    I think there is one higher office than president and I would call that patriot.

    Gary Hart

    Famous Veterans Day Quote #12

    Courage is almost a contradiction in terms. It means a strong desire to live taking the form of readiness to die.

    G.K. Chesterton

    Famous Veterans Day Quote #13

    They may take away our lives, but they’ll never take our freedom!

    William Wallace

    Famous Veterans Day Quote #14

    As we express our gratitude, we must never forget that the highest appreciation is not to utter words, but to live by them.

    John F. Kennedy

    Famous Veterans Day Quote #15

    Valor is stability, not of legs and arms, but of courage and the soul.

    Michel de Montaigne Famous

    Veterans Day Quote #16

    When our perils are past, shall our gratitude sleep?

    George Canning

    Famous Veterans Day Quote #17

    In the beginning of a change, the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.

    Mark Twain

    Famous Veterans Day Quote #18

    Anyone who has ever looked into the glazed eyes of a soldier dying on the battlefield will think hard before starting a war.

    Otto Von Bismark

    Famous Veterans Day Quote #19

    The most persistent sound which reverberates through men’s history is the beating of war drums.

    Arthur Koestler

    Famous Veterans Day Quote #20

    But the freedom that they fought for, and the country grand they wrought for, Is their monument to-day, and for aye.

    Thomas Dunn English

  38. Gene H.I am saying this: Jesus who is Lord is not in the least ashamed of what people are ashamed of. God made life The Lord God made man. Penises are a part of man like any other part of man.

  39. Eric Bogle wrote The Band Played Waltzing Matilda back in 1971. He speaks the truth about what it means to be a soldier who returns. As has been said, there are no unwounded soldiers who have been to the war.

  40. This short video is called The Average British Soldier. The words apply to every youngster from every country who goes off to war. Keep them all in your mind and heart, not just on this Veterans Day, but on all the other day of the year as well. They deserve no less.

  41. Frank, Why don’t you hang out here more often? Thanks, again. Blouise and OS, way to step up on this solemn day. Thanks.

  42. nick,
    I have a personal investment. This is my daughter visiting her older brother. She is the one who works in law enforcement.

  43. nick spinelli: I’m a faithful reader every day. I enjoy all the regular bloggers and jump in sometimes. Thanks for allowing me to join in. I’m sorry to jump in on this unrelated article with Veterans Day thoughts, but I was afraid that one would not be composed on the subject matter.

    I hope Nal doesn’t mind. I’ll end with this inspiring clip I found on You Tube featuring the Cactus Cuties years ago. Sit back and let the voices of children flow over you and this Veterans Day 11-11-2012:

  44. Actually because Eve allowed the devil to beguile her lost the pleasure God initially gave to Eve. That clit could have been the equivalent to a male penis being shrunken after being banished from the garden of Eden.

  45. Kate Smith in 1938: God Bless America.
    For young and old, remember and respect the veterans and those presently serving in the armed services. The eternal gratitude of a nation:

  46. Malisha A childlike spirit. Jesus does it all =^_^= I see the person saying glory halleluiah as he passes through the goal posts. Little does he know that heaven is in him long befog he passes between the goal posts. .Nothing he does gets him there. Not of out own works lest anyone should boast. Christ is us the hope of glory.

  47. We must remember and celebrate the risks and sacrifices that all of our troops and veterans made for this country. We must also ensure that they receive the best of care both in and out of the armed forces. We must also ensure that their lives. limbs and brains are not sacrificed in vain, greed or vanity. We must always be suspicious about those who purport to “honor the troops” and yet care for them not one whit when their service is done.

  48. What Mike said about aftercare. The average person has no idea what troops in harm’s way experience. War is not a video game. Ask newly elected Rep. Tammy Duckworth, who left both her legs in the sandpile. Her opponent picked at her during a debate about the time she had spent picking out a dress to wear when she spoke at the Democratic National Convention. She retorted that she was entitled to pick out a dress because she had spent most of her adult life wearing camouflage.

    This video was made by an Army nurse as a class project for his Master’s Degree in Nursing. The tune is an old Irish song written sometime in the late 1700s. It was piped at the memorial service for my ggg-grandfather at the National Cemetery, because it was a tune he would have known and possibly sung or played on his fife as they marched.

  49. Frank,

    Thank you…. Lets we not forget the original fighting force of the America’s….. The Marine Corp….. And there birthday is celebrated on November 10….. Established…. 1775…..

  50. Mike Spindell :All war is in vain. All war is seeking a vain thing. All war spills human blood being abominable..KJV, Pro; 6;16 These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren,

  51. Nick,

    Most of the proposed cuts to veteran’s benefits in the last decade have come from Republicans not Democrats. The Republicans are for increases in military spending for items that benefit their benefactors, not those truly in harms way.

  52. Nick,

    You are also a partisan of sorts and that shows in the way you bandy about epithets towards others. However, I freely admit that I am a partisan towards my own opinions, but will always re-examine my premises and acknowledge my errors. You not so much. What I stated wasn’t a partisan opinion, it was fact.

  53. Nick,

    Now here are two more citations:

    Now Nick, faced with facts let’s see if you have the honesty you always proclaim for yourself and can, when faced with the truth, admit you were wrong. My guess is though that you’ll come back with some conservative put up job to the effect that Obama wanted to cut veteran’s benefits so that they would choose Obamacare as a less costly option for them and the government. The truth is that like my opinions, or not, I’ve established a reputation in life as someone with a open mind. You have boasted of your ability to also be open-minded, while I basically like your persona here, I’m not sure that it is either as fair, or as hoest as you pretend.



    (A Soldier Died Today)

    by A. Lawrence Vaincourt

    He was getting old and paunchy and his hair was falling fast
    And he sat around the Legion, telling stories of the past,
    Of a war that he had fought in and the deeds that he had done,
    In his exploits with his buddies; they were heroes, every one.
    And tho’ sometimes, to his neighbors, his tales became a joke,
    All his Legion buddies listened, for they knew whereof he spoke.
    But we’ll hear his tales no longer for old Bill has passed away,
    And the world’s a little poorer, for a soldier died today.

    He will not be mourned by many, just his children and his wife,
    For he lived an ordinary and quite uneventful life.
    Held a job and raised a family, quietly going his own way
    And the world won’t note his passing, though a soldier died today

    When politicians leave this earth, their bodies lie in state,
    While thousands note their passing and proclaim that they were great.
    Papers tell their whole life stories, from the time that they were young,
    But the passing of a soldier goes unnoticed and unsung

    Is the greatest contribution to the welfare of our land
    A guy who breaks his promises and cons his fellow man?
    Or the ordinary fellow who, in times of war and strife,
    Goes off to serve his Country and offers up his life?
    A politician’s stipend and the style in which he lives
    Are sometimes disproportionate to the service that he gives.
    While the ordinary soldier, who offered up his all,
    Is paid off with a medal and perhaps, a pension small.

    It’s so easy to forget them for it was so long ago,
    That the old Bills of our Country went to battle, but we know
    It was not the politicians, with their compromise and ploys,
    Who won for us the freedom that our Country now enjoys
    Should you find yourself in danger, with your enemies at hand,
    Would you want a politician with his ever-shifting stand?
    Or would you prefer a soldier, who has sworn to defend
    His home, his kin and Country and would fight until the end?

    He was just a common soldier and his ranks are growing thin,
    But his presence should remind us we may need his like again.
    For when countries are in conflict, then we find the soldier’s part
    Is to clean up all the troubles that the politicians start.
    If we cannot do him honor while he’s here to hear the praise,
    Then at least let’s give him homage at the ending of his days.

    Perhaps just a simple headline in a paper that would say,
    Our Country is in mourning, for a soldier died today.

    © 1987 A. Lawrence Vaincourt

  55. Mike, Firstly, I am a libertarian which makes me quite liberal on cultural issues and fiscally conservative. You spoke about haveing a conservative friend. Well Mike I have many liberal and conservative friends. I disagree w/ both of them fairly equally. So, can we put this “conservative” horseshit to rest?

    Regarding the issue @ hand. The vote you cite was a cynical political one and any objective observor recognizes that. It was Dems making an election posture. But, for the sake of argument’ lets say it wasn’t. If you live your life in election cycles, then one can get a VERY distorted view of reality. I don’t. If you want to understand history one must look @ the panorama, not just a snapshot. And, MikeS, when you look @ the history over the past century, both parties have shit on veterans, and both parties have used cynical votes like the one you cite to manipulate people. Consider yourself manipulated.

  56. MikeS, What epithet did I use? Is “partisan” an epithet? I don’t use “douche, “putz”, “idiot” “STFU”, “moron”, “stupid” like some here do. I don’t brag about having a “sharp stick”. Your outrage is quite selective..partisan as it were. And, MikeS, I like your persona and I believe you know that. We see the world a bit different. As I’ve said here several times, life would be way too boring for me to engage solely w/ people I agree. Being somewhat of an iconoclast, that’s usually not a problem.

  57. Frank, Thanks, again. I see you’re a criminal attorney. There are many posts here that would be perfect for your expertise.

  58. Nick,

    I wanted to see if you were honorable and discovered that you either are not, or that you are so taken with yourself that you lack the self awareness to ever see yourself as wrong. And you’re a Libertarian? Why how could I have not realised that when your writings reek of it? Any word used in context can be an epithet and your use of partisan was. This is so because your connotation was that I’m so taken with my political views that I am blind to their faults.

    As for the links I presented you dismissed them rather, than refute them by caling them cynical. The truth is you’ve got no refutation to the facts so you obfuscate. The indisputable facts are that Democrats have always been more supportive of assistance to veterans than have Republicans and this history goes back to the 40’s. This is stating truth, not defending the party. As far as understanding what has been going on in this country has been the fault of both parties I’ve left a written history here, just put my name in the search function top right. As far as you being an iconoclast your words belie that and remember Nick I read all comments made here. You are a partisan, even disdaining both parties and your world view is sadly clouded by your pre-judgments.

  59. Aside from someone being “discriminated” what are positive attributes of atheism? An atheist is typically the most hateful, bigoted, mean spirited, argumentative, resentful, dogmatic, religious person you can attempt to talk to. Ask any random person about atheism and the characterization is always some crotchety mean spirited individual that’s arguing about the existence of God, of which they supposedly don’t believe in. Perhaps there aren’t many atheists that are confident in their belief that God doesn’t exist. They must seek out and argue with people of faith and seek out areas where faith is displayed openly (which is SUPPOSED to be protected free speech). Atheist “organizations” whose sole purpose is to deny people of faith what they are supposed to be guaranteed as a right. So there really aren’t any positive attributes of atheism. Atheism hasn’t dried a shed tear, created any artistic masterpieces, or never once given answers to any tough questions about or existence. Maybe it is only the caustic, bigoted, dogmatic, religious wacko atheists that are the ones who “own the microphone” so to speak. If there are other atheists that are not hell bent (pardon the pun) of denying other peoples rights or arguing just for the sake of arguing. If that is the case, then atheists need to revamp their belief system and kick those the curb who insist on making other people miserable. The atheists I have the displeasure of meeting are predominately online and they all cling to the belief in evolutionism with a death grip and simply will not listen to problems with the theory or alternatives, and will not have an open mind to other beliefs. It’s easier to converse with an agnostic, since he/she doesn’t know if God exists or not, therefore leaves room for some sort of a debate. Atheism, on the other hand, is a head-in-sand belief system that refuses to debate evidence contrary to its belief system. So atheists need to realize why they generally are not well liked. This is a problem their organization (if there is one) needs to deal with.

  60. Mike Spindell “The indisputable facts are that Democrats have always been more supportive of assistance to veterans than have Republicans and this history goes back to the 40′s. This is stating truth, not defending the party”

    It wasn’t until the early 1960’s where the democratic party began to depart from its core beliefs and start clinging to left-wing wacko ideologies that defines the party today. In other words, pre-1960, the democratic party wasn’t really a bad thing. It’s only within the recent decades the party has fallen off of the deep end and panders to left-wing social groups and class warfare. Republicans now are the ones that honor the vets while democrats, by a defining point of their party, are discriminatory to veterans and disagree with them. One significant indicator of such is that the military votes predominately Republican. I’m waiting to see if there is any backlash because the military was denied voting in this election. With all of the military votes conveniently not getting to them in time to vote, and the mysterious plane crash that destroyed thousands of military ballots. Couple this with the rampant voter fraud that was evident as soon as early voting began. One has to wonder if Mr. Obama would have even won if all this was factored in. Basically half of the US did not vote for Obama and his first four years in office were absolutely horrible and one has to really wonder why in the hell anyone would vote for him again, knowing he did such a horrible job the first four years.

  61. “An atheist is typically the most hateful, bigoted, mean spirited, argumentative, resentful, dogmatic, religious person you can attempt to talk to.”


    You suffer from the psychological defense mechanism known as “projection”. This means you see in other character faults that exist in you but are too painful to acknowledge.

    “In other words, pre-1960, the democratic party wasn’t really a bad thing. It’s only within the recent decades the party has fallen off of the deep end and panders to left-wing social groups and class warfare. Republicans now are the ones that honor the vets while democrats, by a defining point of their party, are discriminatory to veterans and disagree with them.”

    Yet another example of your “projection” and thus inability to see reality.

  62. MikeS, We both made our livings searching for the truth. Your search was in helping people find what was truly the problem making them unhappy, dysfunctional, etc. My search was more objective, what happened, when, who, etc.. Anyone who spends their lives searching for truth knows, “The truth is never pure and rarely simple.” In my field the truth was often something that could be proven w/ evidence. With surveillance I would do, one could actually see the truth..quite difficult and satisfying craft. MikeS, you are by definition a partisan. You campaign for Dems. When I said “partisan” it is not perjorative is any sense, I swear to that. I know that word has taken on a negative connotation. When I say “partisan hack” or “blind partisan” then it is a negative. Not when I simply state the appropriate word “partisan” in this context. Again, the limits of this venue providing none of the nonverbal communication tools. We could hash out legislation and posturing by both parties over the century. However, talk w/ vets. I do all the time. They’ll tell you both parties shit on them. And, although you spoke to my alleged abuse of an appropriate word, you didn’t touch on your selective outrage. I sort of understand that, however.

  63. “We both made our livings searching for the truth. Your search was in helping people find what was truly the problem making them unhappy, dysfunctional, etc. My search was more objective, what happened, when, who, etc.”


    Nonsense and poppycock based on little knowledge. When it comes to therapy, Nick, i’m the expert and from the above you know nothing of what I did, or what its purpose was. As far as objectivity goes this is your problem because you are overwhelming egocentric in justifying your pre-judgments. How in hell can you judge my objectivity? Your only basis to do so is in your your assumptions of who I am and perhaps they are based in the fact that I don’t come off as macho as you think manly. You know little of me, or what I’ve faced in my life and career, to be able to make such an assumption but you do.

    Oh, and as far as detecting goes, I’ve mentioned it here before, I was NYC’s Child Welfare in-house expert in the investigation of child abuse and had spent two years on the “line” before that running the Pilot Investigation Unit that took only the most egregious cases in Brooklyn. I an independent study that Unit was the most evidence-based, competent and effective in the City. That was being compared to Units that had a far less difficult caseload. I worked both with the NYPD and the Brooklyn DA’s Sex Crimes Unit. Yeah Nick, just like you I’m able to cite areas of expertise and yet on this blog there is one to whom I even defer on these matters and that person is Otteray Scribe. This is a man of such comprehensive expertise in the field that I’m in awe of him and who you’ve also had difficulty with in matters where he is a national expert.

    “In my field the truth was often something that could be proven w/ evidence. With surveillance I would do, one could actually see the truth.”

    Blowing more smoke out of your ass, because you have tried to defend something that is counter-factual, by then resorting to puffery of your skills. Too many times in the Criminal Investigation field has the “truth” be proven false for you to make such a claim. Many of the most dedicated investigators have gotten the “truth” wrong and many an innocent person has been convicted falsely.

    “MikeS, you are by definition a partisan. You campaign for Dems.”

    So let me get this twisted logic straight. I campaign for Dems and so I’m partisan? You are negating of course all I’ve written that has been critical of both parties and my feeling that there was a military coup after JFK’s assassination and that we live under an oligarchy. I support the Democratic Party at present because objectively they are more for my best interests than the Republicans. That has been my whole argument supporting Obama’s reelection and it has been a consistent one. Both parties stink, but the aroma from the Republican’s is far worse from the objective standpoint of the issues they believe in. Neither party is anywhere near my ideal, but the question comes down to which one will hurt me, the people I love and the American People in general less at this point.

    This is fact, issue by issue. The problem with you and your comments on politics here for the most part is that you don’t deal in facts, you deal in your assumptions of truth. There is the problem and given your bragging about your involvement with criminal justice you really should understand it. A prosecution is a search for “truth” with the knowledge that the “truth” is how a Jury, or a lone Judge sees it. A “fact” is what is used to build the case for deciding what is “true”. Yet a “fact” to the prosecution, may be a “falsity” to the defense.

    Yet out of the courtroom and into the political arena there are no truths, no real absolutes that one can say is good or bad. Only opinions that are often mixed bags. However, there are actual political facts such as statements and votes on a given issue. When it comes to veteran’s benefits the facts are that since WWII, Republicans have been pretty much on the reduction side of the equation as given by their factual voting record and their factual arguments against them. By saying WWII I’m actually being generous because who was the party in power when MacArthur started shooting the “Bonus Marchers” in the 20’s. Out of work, forgotten veterans seeking help from the government they served so well. If you were as honorable and objective as you claim to be, you would admit that and we could move on. I doubt though that you are able to admit being wrong on anything, that just seems to be who you are.

  64. MikeS, Ok. I’m horribly wrong and you’re absolutely right. That is obviously unbelievably important to you and a few others here. We went toe to toe and you didn’t call me a “douche” idiot” “moron” “putz”, etc. I always like to take a positive away from an encounter. Basta..then some pasta.

  65. Nick, I like the fact that you want to edify whatever positive that you see. That is way better than doing the opposite by a long shoot. A good spirit is in you.
    The truth is all of us die.That is simple. Treat people like pieces of construction material or food will have adverse effects on the soul Jesus came to save. I can’t say Jesus would give his blessing to the legal system. I can’t say Jesus would honer the dead or the people that fought in war. He would .take care of people. To say people in war did a good thing would mean war was eternal. War will not be eternal War will perish when God makes all things new.

  66. I just calls ’em likes I sees ’em, nicky.

    That you never understood my primary contention about you was that you argue from emotion and freak out whenever someone dares to challenge what you say with logic and evidence to which you respond with nothing but puffery and “ball busting”? Is entirely your failing. Time and again it was illustrated how when someone challenges what you say as gospel that you don’t respond in a logical or evidentiary manner and instead go straight to ad hominem and bluster. Which is exactly at the heart of Mike’s complaint and pretty much everyone you’ve managed to get on their bad side here. No one here cares what you used to do or currently do. It’s irrelevant other than any claims to expert knowledge. What we do care about around here is can you back up your statements with evidence and logic. Something you frequently fail miserably at and rely upon said and noted bluster.

    And for someone who claims to be able to take a ball busting as well as give one, you sure do f&*king whine a lot about being called a douche bag, douche bag. Toughen up, buttercup. If you can’t take having your balls busted harder than you can bust someone else’s? Maybe you should stick to another game. Bron used to act a lot like you do until he finally realized the futility of it. Now he’s a productive if not strangely valued member of the community. His ideas often don’t get traction, but that’s because of the ideas, not him. Even then, he doesn’t respond to challenge of his ideas like a child throwing a fit in Wal-mart.

    However, if more than one person notes that you have argumentation issues? Maybe you should pay attention. You might actually learn something. Like how to better make your case when your statements are challenged.

  67. artiefox, Thanks. Being positive is my half full guy. It was reinforced by playing and coaching baseball. You can’t play that game w/o being positive.

    Malsiha, Sounds great. When my father made Alfredo he would put just a little caviar in it. Little is the operative word because caviar would dominate otherwise. Farfelle[bow tie] is one of my favorite pastas. My wife is on a non gluten diet[sometimes!] so I’ve been making rissoto. It’s a bit labor intensive but great. I’ve never known a woman who didn’t like rissoto, I think it’s a texture thing. Texture is an important factor in food and I think more important w/ women. I don’t have any facts on that..just my experience.

  68. I dont know how the thread of the comments went from colts to vets but what we need are Missouri Mules in our communities. These guys are much more reliable than a Baltimore Colt and they travel well. The Gurkas in Nepal have a large force of Missouri Mules and they do great in the mountains.

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