We previously discussed the suggestion by a member of Congress that the Connecticut massacre could have been avoided if only teachers were carrying M-4 assault rifles. Now the Governor of Michigan is considering bringing that a little closer to reality with a bill that would allow concealed guns in public schools. Referring to the Connecticut massacre, Senator Tom Casperson, the Republican sponsor of the bill, said “to me it gives [teachers] a chance.” [Update: the Michigan Governor Rick Synder has vetoed the legislation]
If signed by the governor, the measure would also permit firearms in hospitals and stadiums for good measure. Ohio, Oklahoma and Alabama are considering their own expansions of gun laws.
Churches and businesses could still post signs prohibiting guns to exempt themselves from the law.
As of Dec. 1, there were 351,599 concealed weapons permits approved in Michigan, according to the State Police website.
Source: Business Week
Mike S, one of the few contexts in which you can make an honest mistake about being complimented and complemented. 😀
Poking at imaginary objects is such a lonely business.
MikeS, I take you @ your word. However, in my several months here I’ve not seen any apologies from you, or many of the regulars. Is not responding to a humbling point made by someone else, “passive aggresive apologizing?” And, regarding these wrong thoughts of a pecking order “only existing in peoples minds”, where else would they exist? You do realize collusion is one of the most difficult crimes to prove, because it usually only exists in “the minds” of those colluding. And, MikeS, I am not paranoid, just a professional observor of human behavior. There is a distinct A Team pathology here..and it sucks. I don’t want to be part of the A Team, never have anywhere. But I do love to poke fun @ it.
Nick,
If you haven’t seen me apologize you haven’t been looking enough. As far as taking me at my word, in the context of your later remarks about passive aggressive apologies, your acceptance of my word was highly passive aggressive. “A” team really? Look the nice thing here is you can play any game you want. You want to play ironic outsider pricking the fatuousness of the “in crowd”, be my guest.
My particular game is that I don’t play games. The Me you get here is the Me that is and you can accept that or not. As for being a professional observer, well actually that’s what I’m trained in. My observance of you is that you made your debut here coming on like gangbusters, I could cite chapter and verse but it’s not worth my research time. You enterred attacking like someone who was going to mark himself an Alpha and when it didn’t go over well you felt rejected. I tried to explain that to you, but you preferred your outsider role. Cool, if that’s what floats your boat, but the silly point you miss is you’re already an insider by dint of your frequent comments, that’s the true criteria.
Now because I am also “an observer” I notice that in your observations you have missed that I disagree with Mespo and Gene on gun control, while agreeing with Raff and Elaine. Gene and I disagreed on voting for Obama. It seems the “in crowd” doesn’t have homogeny. Now part of the fact that we treat eachother civilly is that we are cyber friends of long standing, but is that wrong, or just affinity? Play it any way you want Nick, it is your game. I understand your outsider game, played it myself for many years until I realized what I already knew experiencially, we all are alone within ourselves and sometimes we can let ourselves connect with others to feel less alone. That however never changes the fact of our human condition. I do my thing, you do yours, if we can somehow make a connection, great, if we can’t no problem.
@Rafflaw. In 1979 a convicted arsonist confessed to setting the fire that killed 95 in that school. You can Google it.
Idealist707 where were they when he killed those kids? He could of done it with a .22 a shotgun a machete as far as that goes. Law enforcement can’t be all places at all times and I wouldn’t want them to be. That would be the beginning of a police state. Because we entrust other to use deadly force does not take away our right to self defence or our obligation to defend others. A lot was been made about the type of weapon. Truthfully a non issue. Killing 6 year olds is unfortunately easy. :-(:-(:-(:-(:-(:-(:-(:-(:-(:-(:-(:-(:-(:-(:-(
I was nearly commenting on someone saying the Bushmaster 5.56 is only good for 40yards and is compatible to the M1carbine. The M1 garland was a main battle rifle. 30.06. Awesome for its time. The scope has been around a long time, however the comedy was to the accuracy credibility of the rifle, not my shooting. Mini14 same ammo as an AR 15 M16
Fabian,
the Our Lady of Angels Fire was a tragedy that every kid in the chicago area heard about and has never forgotten. I was in 2nd grade in a catholic school in a near north suburb of Chicago when the fire happend. The reports I remember was that two school kids originally admitted to starting the fire, but they recanted and were not prosecuted. It was an accidental tragedy made worse by lax fire codes. The fire codes and safety measures that followed made millions of kids across the country safer. One more example how government can regulate and make the world safer.
“Fabien Pruett1, December 19, 2012 at 5:52 pm
I can do a 16″ grouping with my mini14 at 300 yards with a 4 power scope. It is not compatible with the M1carbine .30 carbine I have one. That is a pop gun. It was never intended to be a combat rifle. It was ment to replace hand vu us for artillery and officers. 5.56 or .223 is a main battle round.”
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From prone or free standing? And scopes are recent additions.. Actual use of them in combat is rare. And scopes does not help in a defensive attack at short range. I remember the M1 as the standard issue. What a popgun!
Not to be confused with the carbine which I have already named as a defensive weapon for chauffors and offiicers with siide arms.
Oops! That second link should have been
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6Amm413k5M
(It’s got lots of extra options)
“MikeS sucks!”
Sling T,
Many times I have and have been complemented for it.
Blouise,
As far as my ego being pricked, that’s simply because it would take a howitzer to make a dent, speaking of course about the new rage in duck hunting weaponry.
I think I need one of these to defend myself against the scary stuff on TV
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rqerH3ScJY
OMIGAWD I feel allll…moist…
Better check some reviews like
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rqerH3ScJY
I love that there is a choice of colors – so I can match outfits.
It’s definitely the sort of thing I need in case of burglars.
“Fabien Pruett1, December 19, 2012 at 5:43 pm
@Mfitch. How can you “make a situation worse” than someone walking in with gun OF ANY TYPE and shoot unarmed people at will. ….”
That is the prerogative we entrust to the state, ie using violence to resolve conflicts. If no one but sane and well balanced persons were allowed to have weapons, then we all would be much safer.
The state has with our agreement the right to regulate, except as prohibited in the Constitution.
And it is not a snark when I ask you if you do much profiling.
Your comprehension of reality tends toward stereotyping it, as I see it.
I am interested in how you became Fabien.
I can do a 16″ grouping with my mini14 at 300 yards with a 4 power scope. It is not compatible with the M1carbine .30 carbine I have one. That is a pop gun. It was never intended to be a combat rifle. It was ment to replace hand vu us for artillery and officers. 5.56 or .223 is a main battle round.
What can be more stressful than a person going through shutting unarmed people. Increase the pay for administraighter that go through the required course and prove their competency as we do those that speak a second language in many districts.
Fabien,
How we come over is not easy to determine. Keep trying. Both NickS and I have been there. But NickS answers for his words. I oppose your position. Guns in the hands of people lead to death. !0,000 a year in the USA has been mentioned.
You might get yourself clawed here, but it is not a private party AFAIK.
But your adamant attitude does not ease a dialogue, as you don’t seem to want one. Your independence is admirable, but hardly a winning stance in social conditions. We are not armed, most of us, is my presumption.
I challenged your effective range figures of now you say 12′ grouping at 300 yards. The measure (‘) as expressed as I know it would be 12 feet.
Hardly an effective fire. You must mean 12 inch group. I dont myself know of anyone from a lying position with a stabdard M1 rifle who can do a 12 inch group at 200 yards.
The weapons is comparable to a 1945 Army carbine. And the latter is a fully automatic weapon. It was used as a chauffor and an officer’s defense weapons.
Maybe the Buckmaster is bettter.
Do you have any proof?.
Your friends in the French resistance, do not today carry assault weapons and never did. So your association has no significance.
I have talked with one born in the Vosge mountain district where Sen Daniel Inouye got his Medal of Honor The french now Swedish, lives in Stockholm today. A three hundred yard range would be useless in that terrain.
@Mfitch. How can you “make a situation worse” than someone walking in with gun OF ANY TYPE and shoot unarmed people at will. A.22 will kill you dead. A shotgun designed strictly for hunting will shoot you dead. Really, another ignorant comment. Not STUPID. Just not well thought out.
DrSigne,
It has been my experience that every field is vulnerable to certain amounts of PC behavior, including psychology. It’s not telling someone to calm down that is antithetical to dispute resolution. It’s how you tell someone to calm down that can be antithetical to dispute resolution. The how is often hard to judge in a communications medium of limited bandwidth such as blogging. Bereft of the usual cues one reads that can indicate that calming a person requires an adjustment in tactics, it is much harder to do in this arena. However, the delivery of a message is often more important than the content is in gaining acceptance. If this were not so, people would not be as susceptible to either advertising or propaganda as they are.
Also, I’m not a fan of the ideas of Marshall Rosenberg and the nonviolent communication movement. It’s a bunch of pop psychology new agey well-intentioned bullshit that is little more than PC in the guise of psychology. After looking at your website, I’m certain you will likely disagree with this statement. Then again, that’s the beauty of free speech. Agreement is not required.
nick,
Mike S has been called out many times but I’m not certain his ego has ever been more than just pricked. 😉
It’s all good. I have always been calm and it didn’t bother me when he said it to me. I took it for what it was .flailing.
Fabien Pruett
1, December 19, 2012 at 5:11 pm
All I have done is answered other people’s comments. Did realize this was a private party.
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This is not a private party … please continue!