This video of a San Bernardino police officer circling and confronting a woman hiking in the desert has raised the anger of many about the increasing intrusion of police surveillance and operations. The officer lands his helicopter and confronts the woman without any evidence of reasonable suspicion, let alone probable cause.
The video shows the officer circling over the woman and shining its light at her. He then confronts her and demands to know what she is doing. She is polite and friendly, explaining “just exploring and picking up rocks.” The officer then demands her ID, which she does not have, and takes down her name and date of birth. He then makes her wait while he runs her name through the police computer. The only explanation the officer gives the woman for being detained is that “We’re investigating something right now.” It is not clear why that investigation would involve checking to see if there was anything he could arrest her on.
Even after she is cleared, the officer demands to know if she has any weapons and tells her “don’t put your hands in your pockets.” He then searches her without a scintilla of reasonable suspicion.
The assumption is that the officer was part of the search for Christopher Dorner on January 24th. Given the recent shooting of two women by the LAPD looking for Dorner, she might have to consider herself lucky to have only been delayed.
By the way, landing a helicopter near a road in the middle of an field brings a host of risks of its own. Yet, this officer thought that a woman hiking was sufficient justification for the confrontation.
Bron – You just can’t stand the heat because like most other right-wingers, you are basically an airhead and a coward.
Wilhelm McWilhelm:
Why do you love the Nazis so?
Your slavish devotion is so unbecoming.
Bron – you are a lying right-wing shill, and I think you would be happier at one of the right-wing sites — maybe David Duke’s site would suit you better.
The engineer you mentioned explained how it was impossible for the
Nazis to have deliberately gassed six million people at the camps where
Jews were forced to perform slave labor. Neither you nor any of your fellow travelers rebutted what he said. Instead, you insulted him – i.e. you shot the messenger because you didn’t like the message.
When you insulted the Bishop, you showed your true attitude and regard
for civil liberties is exposed as part of the hypocrisy that is “BRON”.
First reasonable suspicion is subjective to the officer and his experience. He never demanded anything from the woman so whoever wrote this article needs to tone down the language. He asked her what she was doing out there. WELL within his right. She never HAD to answer. WELL within her right. He asked for her ID she didn’t have it. For identification purposes he can ask name and date of birth. Her background check came back as obviously a history of weapons charges. This gives him reason to ask if she has weapons on her. Telling her to keep her hands out of her pockets is for his safety. The only questionable thing her did was reaching out to see if she had said weapons. This IS a violation of her fourth amendment rights. Unless he has reasonable suspicion that a crime is or is about to be committed and the weapons he questions about are believed to be a part of or use in suspected crime, he has no reason to frisk her. For his safety he can ask her if she has weapons and ask her if he can just check her pockets for a cursory search. Which she can say hell no to.
Reminds me of a shark frinzy when they smell blood (or money).
billy:
this isnt a left wing blog, it is a blog devoted to civil liberties. You know, those liberties your Nazi buddies deprived people of.
Are you so dense as to think the totality of what you said doesnt add up to Nazi apologist?
That would be like me saying “I am for the gold standard, for elimination of regulation, for a flat tax, for a meritocracy, against government intervention in the market place but I am not a capitalist and have never said I was.”
Let me type this really slowly so you can understand the words that are coming out of my keyboard, you are a Nazi apologist. It is all, right there, above; those are all your own words, except for the ones where the priest and the engineer deny the logistics of the holocaust.
Bron, either put up or admit you are a liar. Post a statement that you say I made in which I “apologized for the Nazis”.
You are even worse than most other right-wingers. At least they don’t pretend to be something they aren’t.
if she was a criminal or had something to hide dont you think she would have ran instead of standing around taking video of the helicopter?
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I should state that the above was written by Bill McWilliams on another thread, he is saying he is not a Nazi apologist. Are there any takers?
“An anti-semite used to be someone that doesn’t like Jews. Now it’s someone that Jews don’t like.”
“Israel needs to “discover” long lost documents that prove Hitler ordered six million gassed, not merely sent to work camps.”
“When you can provide some credible evidence that Hitler killed six million people in death camps, I’ll stop reminding you that your logic is no better than that of any other FOX viewer.”
“I won’t respond to your false charge about Israel, but I also don’t agree with your claims about 600K Jews or 6K Jews being murdered. There’s simply no evidence for that. And in case you need to be told this, the fact that x number of people died in the prison labor camps, or Concentration camps – if that makes them sound more ominous – isn’t proof they were murdered.
Like most zealots, of course you believe your logic is “quite sound”, but that doesn’t mean it is.”
“The only thing you cited as evidence in support of claims that Hitler killed six or 12 million Jews and others. is what you claim is a confession by some guy. You really expect anyone to believe that’s an authentic document? Don’t you know that no German governments have ever been found which order the mass killing of six or twelve million people?”
“Most historians toe the official position – even as most of them will admit that there’s no German Government document or written order by Hitler to murder six or twelve million people.”
“No one doubts that there are far more zealots such as yourself, than independent thinkers. Trying to get someone expelled because of their views is bad enough, but in Germany, the gov’t is so embarrassed about all of the re[arations they paid out,, it’s now a crime to even question the claim
that Hitler ordered the systematic murder of millions of Jews.”
“The man who designed three gas chambers said that the so-called gas chambers where six or twelve million people were killed were not capable of doing that, and he explains why in the video excerpt.
The Bishop said he believes it’s possible that as many as 300,000 people died in the camps, but NOT from being murdered in gas chambers.”
““The International Red Cross, formally and officially reported that less than 300,000 internees of all nationalities in the German camps died of all causes, including old age.(3) And of these, barely more than half were Jews. Most of these died in several severe typhoid epidemics caused by wartime conditions, which claimed many lives throughout Germany – including those of doctors, nurses and camp administrative personnel”.
“As an engineer,I find it impossible from the surviving blueprints,to believe that
Germans,who compulsively over engineer everything ,could have designed the camps for
mass genocide.
For the 11 million that supposedly died within them,Jews,Gypsies,Slavs,homosexuals,communists.
The math simply doesn’t work for the crematoria.
So that is not true,what else is untrue ?
The victors always write the history.””
““The first trials of Germans accused of having used “gas chambers” or “gas vans” to kill people began in 1943 in the Soviet Union (trials of Kharkov and Krasnodar). They continue to this day, especially in Israel with the Demjanjuk trial. Today, after 47 years of such trials we still do not have:
A single on-site forensic examination of “gassed” bodies or “gas chambers” or “gas vans”;
A single expert report concluding that a given room or a given van was used for homicidal gassing;
A single autopsy report concluding that the victim had been killed by any type of poison gas;
A single report on the re-enactment or simulation of a gassing operation, using the thousands of victims claimed and the steps taken, and taking into account the dangerous chemicals involved.”
“gbk – If you think that YOU can prove there was a CONSPIRACY, ordered by Hitler. to murder six or twelve million Jews, then let’s hear what you have to say. I’m used to dealing with right-wingers who always resort to attacking the messenger when they can’t rebut or refute the argument …”
People can just read what you wrote and judge for themselves if you are a Nazi apologist.
Bill:
OK
He then searches her without a scintilla of reasonable suspicion. -Jonathan Turley
Stop-and-Frisk Campaign: About the Issue
http://www.nyclu.org/issues/racial-justice/stop-and-frisk-practices
“An analysis by the NYCLU revealed that innocent New Yorkers have been subjected to police stops and street interrogations more than 4 million times since 2002, and that black and Latino communities continue to be the overwhelming target of these tactics.
Nearly nine out of 10 stopped-and-frisked New Yorkers have been completely innocent, according to the NYPD’s own reports.”
Bron,
I’d appreciate it if you would desist from attributing statements to me that i did not make.
That’s why it’s always risky to engage with people who are careless or intentionally deceitful.
Obviously they didn’t think she was Dorner. She’s still alive.
She’s lucky he didn’t decide to do a strip search. Good thing she had a camera.
I would have asked him if they were lost – just follow that highway over there.
If the sheriff’s office actually was investigating something they should have at least articulated it at the end to this woman and maybe she might have understood it. I don’t know if it was or not.
I might think they could have been doing this. Why would the sheriff’s office send a helicopter which is very expensive to operate each hour to just fly around sagebrush and a deserted area? Maybe it was drug interdiction I don’t know. But if it was I would say you need something more than just a person hiking in the desert to stop her, and ID her.
This took place in San Bernardino County. Probably somewhere near Hesperia, Ca along the I-15 freeway. This isn’t the border with Mexico, and the is no reasonable suspicion to believe she’s trafficking drugs…
bill mcwilliams:
as much as you apologized for the Nazis, I would think you would be all over unwarranted searches and show me your papers incidents.
Is the police state getting worse under Bronco Bama and the Democrats?
What has he ever said or done to make things better than they were under Boosh? IMO, things are worse, and becoming more so. LlBERALS? Coulda fooled me.
I have been stopped only rarely by police in my car. I have never been asked if they can search the car. A few years ago I made the decision that I would not allow a search without them first arresting me. Likewise if I were walking. Permission to search will not be given.
Stupid, wasteful, pointless, obnoxious, dangerous, and — oh yeah — stupid.