Could the Banksters Grab Your Bank Deposits?

200px-FDIC_2500_sign_by_Matthew_BisanzRespectfully submitted by Lawrence E. Rafferty- Guest Blogger

The recent news about Cyprus banks confiscating depositor’s funds sent chills throughout the financial world here and abroad.  I couldn’t believe that the plan in Cyprus hinged on the idea that the bank could just steal customer’s funds to balance the bank’s books.  I muttered to myself when I read the story that something as crazy as that couldn’t possible happen here in the United States.  Unfortunately, I learned that the plan to pull a Cyprus type grab here was already in the works. 

“A joint paper by the US Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation and the Bank of England dated December 10, 2012, shows that these plans have been long in the making; that they originated with the G20 Financial Stability Board in Basel, Switzerland (discussed earlier here); and that the result will be to deliver clear title to the banks of depositor funds. ” NationofChange 

The above article explains that most of us do not realize that when you deposit money in a bank, that it becomes the property of the bank and we become unsecured creditors of the bank! “Although few depositors realize it, legally the bank owns the depositor’s funds as soon as they are put in the bank. Our money becomes the bank’s, and we become unsecured creditors holding IOUs or promises to pay. (See here and here.) But until now the bank has been obligated to pay the money back on demand in the form of cash. Under the FDIC-BOE plan, our IOUs will be converted into “bank equity.”  The bank will get the money and we will get stock in the bank. With any luck we may be able to sell the stock to someone else, but when and at what price?” NationofChange

If I deposit $1,000 dollars in my local bank, I trust that the funds are safe and protected by FDIC insurance and that even if the bank fails, I will get my money back.  Under the plan listed above, we may not even be able to fall back on the FDIC insurance coverage.  The FDIC-Bank of England plan would supersede our FDIC coverage and we would be relegated to become a “shareholder” in the failing bank or its successor entity.  Let me see if I understand this scheme.  The bank who is failing due to mismanagement or due to risky investments could steal my funds and force me to accept stock in a company led by poor businessmen with an even poorer business record!  If you are brave enough, check out the full FDIC-Bank of England plan here.

Cyprus wasn’t the only place where a bankster grab of deposits was put into place or is being discussed.  It is being discussed in New Zealand as well.  “New Zealand has a similar directive, discussed in my last article here, indicating that this isn’t just an emergency measure for troubled Eurozone countries. New Zealand’s Voxy reported on March 19th:

The National Government [is] pushing a Cyprus-style solution to bank failure in New Zealand which will see small depositors lose some of their savings to fund big bank bailouts . . . .Open Bank Resolution (OBR) is Finance Minister Bill English’s favoured option dealing with a major bank failure. If a bank fails under OBR, all depositors will have their savings reduced overnight to fund the bank’s bail out.”  NationofChange

To be clear, this joint FDIC-BOE plan would need enabling legislation to be passed before it could become the law of the land.  However, the bankruptcy laws have put unsecured creditors, which depositors would be labeled under the plan, lower in seniority to the claims of derivative counterparties which would mean that the very parties who are causing the bank to fail, could collect before the innocent depositors.

“In the US, depositors have actually been put in a worse position than Cyprus deposit-holders, at least if they are at the big banks that play in the derivatives casino. The regulators have turned a blind eye as banks use their depositaries to fund derivatives exposures. And as bad as that is, the depositors, unlike their Cypriot confreres, aren’t even senior creditors. Remember Lehman? When the investment bank failed, unsecured creditors (and remember, depositors are unsecured creditors) got eight cents on the dollar. One big reason was that derivatives counterparties require collateral for any exposures, meaning they are secured creditors. The 2005 bankruptcy reforms made derivatives counterparties senior to unsecured lenders.”  NationofChange

This so-called plan has been labeled a wealth tax in Cyprus, but the United States banks hold the deposits of the poor and middle class and those deposits would be at risk if this type of plan is actually activated.  If this type of plan was ever activated or authorized by Congress, why would anyone ever deposit their funds in one of the major banks that could be at risk of failing due to risky derivative investments when those very deposits could be at risk?  If the bank files for bankruptcy after depositors funds are confiscated, would depositors be left out in the cold entirely?

This type of bank bail out is an end run on depositors and on the American public.  I can only guess why the corporate owned mass media has not been carrying this story.  I do not think that I would every put any money in any of the big multi-state banks in light of this potential nightmare of a bailout.  I would love to see the Senate hold a hearing to question FDIC officials on this joint plan.  While the wealthy use the banks, a good portion of their wealth is in other investment vehicles and therefore the brunt of the bailout could be borne by you and me.  Of course the banks will claim that we would receive stock in lieu of the confiscated funds, but can you pay your mortgage bill with stock from a failing bank?

What would you do if your bank confiscated your hard earned deposits to pay their bills?  What happened to taking personal responsibility for their mistakes?  Too big to fail, too big to jail and now, too big to cover their own losses!  Is it any wonder that the banks want no part of Dodd-Frank and the Consumer Protection Agency?

145 thoughts on “Could the Banksters Grab Your Bank Deposits?”

  1. Looks like I lost a month’s SS. I didn’t want direct deposit so waited until the last minute. No check this month, also no debit card. Will I get double the amount next month?

  2. LK,
    It is particularly egregious because the poor, disabled and retired have no choice. They are not sent a check, they are sent that piece of plastic. Of course, there is an upside. Her check never gets lost or stolen out of the mailbox, and the money is deposited on it precisely at midnight on the due date.

  3. OS, that is a particularly petty and hurtful scam, congress would never go for ending it.

  4. Great article and information. All eyes in America should be on Greece and the Eurozone to see what is in store for us. So far its been what I would call austerity light but I fear that the full measure is going to be poured out into our cups eventually.

  5. Just to be clear

    Bank of America has $75 trillion in notional derivatives.
    JP Morgan Chase has $79 trillion in notional derivatives.
    World GDP is $70 trillion.

    However, the good news is they only have 12 trillion in cash
    cash at risk derivatives, which just happens to be the GDP of US.

    Looks like if they took all of the money, they still wouldn’t have enough…

  6. I just read a news article that broke my heart. The CEO of Bank of America did not make as much money in 2012 as he did in 2011. His pay was cut a hundred thousand dollars. He only made $7.4 million in 2012. How will he ever get along on that paltry sum?

  7. My disabled daughter does not have a bank account so they sent her a debit card. Damn banks don’t miss a trick. When she withdraws cash from an ATM, the bank charges a fee because she is not a depositor with the bank. Fees typically run $2.50 to $3.50 per transaction, depending on who owns the ATM. You could not sell this to the current Congress, but it ought to be illegal to charge people on SSI or SS a fee for using a debit card.

  8. Uhhh… who in USA is not aware of how banks operate ever since 1929? We already know that our funds are at risk ever since the bank corruption schemes within last few decades (i.e. Savings & Loan Crisis etc.) Our only guarantee of funds is FDIC. But that only comes with conditions. Your bank can invest your funds anyway they wish. So I guess they can do just as you say here in America, but the Feds will jump in to help us with the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation. If they fail then… oh well!

  9. Ay maybe they need them for the folks who choose not do the direct deposit with their ss (and other federal) checks.

  10. LJC,

    What has me intrigued… Hey does the SSA need 190k rounds of hollow point bullets…. I understand DHS 360 a lot quicker than the SSA need….

  11. Social security, at least disability, has ended sending out checks, instead relying on direct deposit (“Social Security recipients who don’t have a bank or credit union account or who prefer using a credit card account have the option of using the Direct Express Debit MasterCard card account.”)
    What a boon that would be, having to hope to change to the card before too many months went by with the checks going directly to the bank, before you could stop it.

    (And the same old, same old from other threads. Why hasn’t media reported? Because Lohan and Kardashian so much more important (and people seeming to be happy with this opiate of the masses reporting)

  12. RAFFLAW:

    did I miss something? I thought the EU central bank and members of the EU along with the government of Cyprus were the ones forcing the banks to take depositors money.

    I am also wondering why you dont decry the same taking of peoples money here in the US with the printing of money for stimulus and deficit spending.

    I also suggest you do your homework and make sure your bank is on sound financial ground.

  13. Great story Larry…. I think I sounded that bell on another thread…. The plan is to steal money that has a shaky history first….. Who would they go and complain to…. Now they may end of dead…. But hey, not the first time….. This is really an issue for the G7…. But because of necessity… They had to expand this ino to the G20….. In order to get other out lying country’s to go along…… Recall what happened to the so called rogue trader that is said to have been an embarrassment to I think France….. I think the name of the bank was society general or something….

  14. Well, since we have let HSBC and Steve Cohen off recently — anything is possible with these money grubbers …..

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