This video shows a police officer fighting with a young man over math and declaring “I do not have to prove shit to you” when confronted over his math. The officer dismisses the “genius” who tries to tell him that double .08 is .16.
Such math moments are likely to increase with the move of the Administration to lower the BAL to the equivalent of one drink for a woman.
While I agree that one should not argue tickets on the roadside, I think this case(and some other similar instances) is different.
If there is no camera running this guy should argue it in court, but he does have a camera on and this officer is ready to make a fool of himself in front of that camera. We live in a time where the public’s opinion can be changed through videos such as this one.
The student is clearly in the right, not drunk, and in control of his emotions enough to give the officer an opportunity to make himself look like a total dick. 99% of the time keep your mouth shut when dealing with a cop like this, but when given the opportunity to expose this hack, a person can also help make a difference, imo.
That idiot pi…uh, “cop” belongs on Fox Nuisance:
http://youtu.be/Cvkpo2bpQT4
nick spinelli “This cop could be an adminsrtator for the IRS.”
If you’re referring to the phony “outrage” of teabaggers, it’s a non-issue.
If I own more land than my next door neighbor, am I going to get more total snow than him? Of course.
More teabagger groups applied for tax exempt status than progressive groups. It’s to be expected that more rightwing groups get investigated, unless one is a wingnut trying to pretend something is there that wasn’t, falsely claiming “partisan politics”.
Mark’s advice will go a long way about protecting your rights on a DUI accusation. It is best to avoid the issue by not driving drunk to begin with. But know that there are officers out there who make bad DUI enforcement practices. Some officers are very good and objective in what they do, and there are bozos who wouldn’t know a drunk driver from someone with with a neurological disease if it was told to them. The bozo can be dangerous to your freedom.
The best advice is to say nothing at all, note what happened, and ask only to see all depictions of readings on any machine. Provide what is asked in a prompt manner and note that you had the presence of mind to understand and respond to the officer’s request for license and registration. Caution your passengers to remain silent as well. Arguing on the roadside accomplishes nothing and may be deemed a waiver of your right to remain silent. I tell my clients to keep my business card in their glove compartments and hand it to the officer as they invoke their right to remain silent and to counsel. Answer no questions like the sucker one: “Do you know why I stopped you?” and ask no questions either except to see the readings. Perform no field tests and blow into no alka sensor devices and ask for a blood test if given the choice between blood and breath. Do not engage in small talk with anyone even the nice police dispatcher who’s “really sorry to see this happen to you” (they’re plants) and sign nothing except the court acknowledgment. The next day ask the police department (get a name) to save the video from the patrol car and then call your lawyer.
This is a story but what Connecticut Justice is doing to black men is not??? How is that possible???
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So this guy has to go to court, with all that entails, just because this cop is a dumbass; and too arrogant to think he could be wrong. Instead of admitting that he might have the math wrong, he makes up some crap about how the machine works differently, adding zeroes, or some such B.S.
Of course he’ll probably realize how stupid he was before the court date and won’t show up. Not much he can do to spin this.
Ain’t life grand in the growing police state.
I got nailed big time, thinking I was out of the city limits (53/35). Two weeks later, I’m in court, waiting for a client’s case to be called. So was the same cop. Guess I was looking rather pensive, as the judge, who was taking care of paperwork at the bench, asked me what I was thinking about.
Told him, “Well your honor, just wondering about the future of law enforcement.”
He asked me what I meant, and I responded, “Seems that a lot of cops have a hard time comprehending math.” The cop looked at me like, “WTF, over?” I said, “What is 35 from 53?” The judge said, “Eighteen, why?” I said some people must have trouble with simple math, as there’s one guy in this very room who thinks 35 from 53 is 1 to 9,” as I looked over and grinned.
There are some good ones out there.
Ditto on the work for the IRS comment……’I’m not very good at math.’
Cops are in revenue mode. Recently got a ticket for going over 25 mph in a school zone (with no students present). The cop said ” you should have anticipated that there could be students”. I did a written trial and it was thrown out.
OS,
Although I know what you say is true, being easy or not usually doesn’t factor into the thinking of that crowd.
This cop could be an adminsrtator for the IRS.
Gene,
It may look easy, but is incredibly difficult. A lot of the stealth technology is hidden inside the skin where you cannot see it. Also, part of the secret is the paint, which is…secret.
The simplest way to screw with radar is electronically. There are also electro-optical ways to spoof lasers as well, but all those technologies are illegal if used to thwart law enforcement.
One rule of thumb is to never argue with the officer on some technicality, math for example, during the traffic stop. You are going to get a ticket anyway, and if it is something as obvious as this, it will be dismissed anyway.
As for admitting to drinking anything stronger than Cajun coffee, it is better to say nothing. That pesky Fifth Amendment thingee permits you to say nothing. Just one thing, which the officer did (correctly) emphasize. It is a Bad Idea to lie to any officer or detective doing an investigation. It is better to simply say, “I’d rather not say,” or, “I will not waive my 5th Amendment rights.”
OS,
Dodge used to make a Stealth car, but damned if you couldn’t still get a ticket in it. 😀
Honestly, I’m surprised some body modder hasn’t tried that already.
The kids mistake was stating that he had “two beers”; note the cop is accusing him of “lying” and he has it all recorded, proving the old aphorism, “Silence is Golden” to be true once more.
I recall a police radar unit that clocked a grove of trees exceeding the speed limit in a test. Seems the wind blowing tree leaves made them flutter, causing a misleading reading.
Also, a radar will read the target with the largest radar signature. If you are driving close to a big truck, the radar will read the truck, at least at a distance. I am waiting for some car designer to come up with a stealth car body design. The F-117 stealth fighter has the radar cross section of an English Sparrow. That could be done with auto bodies as well.
It sounds like the officer has some anger issues to me.
First thing look at violation on ticket, look up the law and read what it says & how it pertains to your case. If you think you have a case, GET PROOF!
I printed out the law, highlighted the pertinent part. Went back to scene of supposed violation & took pictures.
Then, don’t wait for court date…go to DA’s office with your proof. I got them to offer to lower the fine & court supervision. I turned it down & went to court.
DON’T take a “deal” if you have a good case…fight it.
I won..
You don’t need no stinking math to be a cop….
Cops told me to argue it in court too.
I won….