We have previously seen employees give up their jobs over the purely coincidental use of the number “666” on standard employment forms. Now a Kentucky teenager Codie Thacker has withdrawn from a regional cross country race because she was randomly generated a bib number of “666.” It raises the question again whether companies or schools or events should accommodate such objections.
After Thacker objected, Kentucky High School Athletic Association officials said that they would not change the number. She insists that the bib left her no choice and “I didn’t want to risk my relationship with God and try to take that number.”
It seems that this number will continue to generate litigation and controversies. We even saw the sign of the beast controversy arise at a law school.
This biblical passage has also led to problems when 666 appears on papers or in conversation for some Christians.
Yet the basis for the claim involving 666 is pretty shaky. many scholars believe the actual number is 616, not 666. It turns out that 666 may be the ancient equivalent to a typo. Papyrus 115 is a fragmented piece of papyrus that dates back to the 3rd century and was not translated until the 20th century. Researchers were surprised to see that the papyrus included “616” as the sign of the Beast. If true, the Beast was the worker who received his or her W-2 50 workers before Hyatt was likely already wearing the number and lost his soul 50 days before Slonopas (It is just like the Beast to finger another worker while he or she laughs her way to the mailbox to send in a tax check).
Here are the more often read passages:
Revelation 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
Revelation 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Revelation 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six. (666)
Many events have hard and fast rules against changes numbers to avoid countless requests based on superstition or just low grade numerology. Yet, even if questionable from a theological standpoint, many believe that this number is evil and an affront to God. Should such views be accommodated by events and schools in your view.
RobinH, These are the people that rule the world. If you want to determine if the names behind the banks and business’ are all or in major part Jewish members of some historical banking conspiracy go right ahead.
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21228354.500-revealed–the-capitalist-network-that-runs-the-world.html#.Unvot3A3tnt
Here is the Forbe’s list of the 1342 wealthiest people, all the members of the billionaires club. Gates has overtaken Carlos Slim and is now the richest man in the world.
http://www.forbes.com/billionaires/list/
She’s young and obviously indoctrinated into some fundamental religion. I say they should’ve just given her another number.
Dan’s right. If she didn’t make her objection clear then bad on her, if she did then bad on the giver of numbers. Is it nuts that there is a controversy over a number? You betcha’.
In other religious and civil rights news, Andrew Hamblin, the snake handling preacher from La Follette, Tennessee, has been cited and had his snakes confiscated by the authorities. Wish one of you esquires would represent him.
I’m sure this girl knew the rules when she signed up for this race, and those rules included ‘take the number you’re given and run with it.’ If you don’t want to obey the rules, then don’t enter the race.
Don’t accomodate religious stupidity. If the kid is dumb enough to believe such tripe, then he shouldn’t be going to school in the first place. Let him have homeschooling with math books that don’t go past 100 and no fractions (e.g. 2/3 never appears) so he can feel safe in his delusions.
The only respect that religion deserves is the right to have it. It religious nuts want to believe such bunk and get uppity about a number, they can go off and do that by themselves.. They have no right to demand others believe it or live by it, as was attempted by demanding a different number. And they have no right to be protected from mockery.
It is just a number! Get over it and run your race. Crazy.
Ron said it well. Just give the girl another number.
“i blame the ashke(nazi) jews who are what the elites claim to be even though dna and history has proven they are no more…..”
RobinH,
There is some truth to what you say, but it is nevertheless besides the point.
“Past research found that 50 percent to 80 percent of DNA from the Ashkenazi Y chromosome, which is used to trace the male lineage, originated in the Near East, Richards said. That supported a story wherein Jews came from Israel and largely eschewed intermarriage when they settled in Europe. [The Holy Land: 7 Amazing Archaeological Finds]
But historical documents tell a slightly different tale. Based on accounts such as those of Jewish historian Flavius Josephus, by the time of the destruction of the Second Temple in A.D. 70, as many as 6 million Jews were living in the Roman Empire, but outside Israel, mainly in Italy and Southern Europe. In contrast, only about 500,000 lived in Judea, said Ostrer, who was not involved in the new study.”The major Jewish communities were outside Judea,” Ostrer told LiveScience.”
Now even if that is the final word on the DNA of Jews I see it as besides the point. One little know fact of history is that there were three religions at the time before and after Jesus that were enjoying great success in recruiting converts. The one after became of course Christianity. The other two were the “Cult of the Great Mother” (see Jos. Campbell) and Judaism. Yes back then Jews did proselytize and did it quite well. So in that sense it may well be true that Askenazim, of which I am one, may not have a genetically Mid Eastern origin. I consider that immaterial to my connection to Israel and I’ll tell you why.
Israel was founded because Jews saw that every country they lived in would provide a hostile environment at onetime or another. They rightly saw the need for a Jewish Homeland and the zionist movement began in the 1800’s by many moving to what was then Palestine. The English, who had control of the area also saw it as a way to dispose of Jews via the Balfour Declaration. The rise of Hitler and the impending Shoah led to a growth of Jews moving to Palestine, both before and in its aftermath. In 1947 Israel declared independence and was immediately attacked by all the surrounding Arab Nations who broadcast to those Arabs within the territory to flee so as not to impede the Arab Forces from sweeping through Israel and pushing all of the Jews into the sea. Hundreds of thousands fled, with the expectation of returning home after an Arab victory. Unfortunately, the under armed and under manned Israeli’s defeated their attackers and so the Israeli saga begins.
Now as a Jew born before the end of WWII and who is also well-grounded in history I must say that I’m damned glad that Israel exists. I love this country and would never want to leave, but history is replete with Jews who loved their country of choice only to be murdered, roasted and gassed. The America I grew up in was predominantly anti-Jewish, although this began to change in the late 1940’s. With the Christian Dominionist Movement on the rise, who know that America once again may turn against the Jews? We see the rise of anti-Jewish feeling already in Europe and in Russia it has never waned.
So yes, for the sake of my religion and ethnicity I support Israel’s existence, particularly too for the sake of my grandchildren. Now when I see you call for the restoration of Native American lands to Native Americans, Mexican Lands to Mexico and the promise of much acreage to former slaves, I might entertain your tender feeling for those Arabs displaced since 1947. What is interesting though is that their Arab Brothers kept them in concentration (refugee) camps for decades and refused to allow them citizenship in their countries. Yes it has been a sad fate for those who fled Israel in 1947, but a good part of that sadness came from their own “bretheren” who chose to use them as a political symbol, rather than improving their lives.
Now as to whether or not you hate Jews RobinH, frankly I don’t give a damn.
I agree with Ron. Just give the kid another number. This has more to do with the Association officials being officious and obstinate than it has to with whether the religious aversion to 666 is reasonable. The practice of blindly following rules without using the slightest bit of common sense seems to be the norm now instead of the exception.
I lived with my blind guy at 666 West Alton Street in East Sidalia. The mailman was either religious or had some other fears of lightning and what not and he refused to put the mail in the mailbox with the number on it. He said something about “Hey Zeus having our number.” He would lay the mail on the stoop just inside the screen door, cross himself, mumble some jumble and back off before he spun around and ran to the curb. After we moved the landlord had a difficult time renting the house again. It was not cursed with bad luck. In fact we did not get an electric bill or water bill because the meter readers would not look at the meters which had the address staring at them. Nor did we get bugged by the Seventh Day Adventists who come door to door looking for handouts when they handout flyers with Jesus on them. Those folks are not to be confused with the Seventh Day Dog Adventists.
The standard is clear: reasonable accommodation. Issuing a different number is obviously reasonable. Refusing to is obviously unreasonable. Her rights have been violated. A lawsuit would win with compensatory and punitive damages.
If muslim women are allowed to wander around with their heads covered, sikh men allowed to carry daggers, hasidic men allowed to subjugate their women to medical examinations, etc. all in the name of this lord or that god(s), then why can’t the kid refuse something that is religiously abhorrent to him?
It’s still a ” free ” country ? then do what you feel is right, and don’t let anyone manipulate you.
I’m struggling for some comprehension why this matters for ANY reason to anyone other the athlete and the idiotic Association…if she doesn’t want to run with the number, give her another one. What’s the big deal. Does she really need a reason? British don’t paint their cars green because of Sterling Moss. Red Sox wore beards all season for luck. Someone already mentioned the 13 floor in hotels. Life is tough enough these days without being absolutely stupid over nothing.
You know in a 667 page book you may miss a lot of information if you skip page 666…… Ok, it’s Kentucky…..enough said….
The 666 thing is silly but we accommodate the equally silly triskaidekaphobia by skipping properly naming what would be the 13th floor in hotels, office buildings, etc.
I don’t generally feed trolls, especially anti-Semitic ones, but thanks for the invite. 🙂
reality is the number 666 is another number made up by the elites to scare the people into doing what it is they want them to do.. the actual beast number is 777. but thats just as bad as the fact that the last day of the week is saturday not sunday and church should be held on saturday not sunday. yet only one religion follows that rule. anyone care to wonder why? anyone but juliet of course because by her definition im anti semitic which isnt even a true word. but then i guess she never thought to try to find out who semitic came into play since the word semi means by half…. lol
And let me clear something up for the record i dont blame all jews because the majority are dupes of history like the rest of us. i blame the ashke(nazi) jews who are what the elites claim to be even though dna and history has proven they are no more…..
Ashkenazi Jews, also known as Ashkenazic Jews or simply Ashkenazim (Hebrew: אַשְׁכְּנַזִּים, Ashkenazi Hebrew pronunciation: [ˌaʃkəˈnazim], singular: [ˌaʃkəˈnazi], Modern Hebrew: [aʃkenaˈzim], [aʃkenaˈzi]; also יְהוּדֵי אַשְׁכֲּנַז Y’hudey Ashkenaz, “The Jews of Germania”), are a Jewish ethnic division who trace their origins to the Israelite tribes of the Middle East[10][11][12].[13] [14]Jews are thought to have begun settling along the Rhine in Germany, from Alsace in the south to the Rhineland in the north, during the early Middle Ages.The name Ashkenazi derives from the biblical figure of Ashkenaz, the first son of Gomer, and a Japhetic patriarch in the Table of Nations (Genesis 10). Gomer has been identified with the Cimmerians, while the biblical term Ashkenaz here may be an error for ‘Ashkuz’, from Assyrian Aškūza (A/Is-k/gu-zu-ai/Asguzi in cuneiform inscriptions
of course the rest juliet can research for herself…
Uh oh. I think Prof. JT is contemplating a M.A./Ph.D. in Divinity and/or Theology? Can’t wait to see his thesis or dissertation. O:-)