Obama Administration Reportedly Near Deal To Free Israeli Spy Jonathan Pollard In Exchange For Israel Negotiating For Peace

200px-Jonathan_Pollard660px-flag_of_israelsvgThe Obama Administration is reportedly close to an extraordinary deal to get Israel back to the negotiations table: it is going to release Israeli spy, Jonathan Pollard. One could question why Israel needs any inducement to negotiate with the Palestinians for its own peace and more importantly why the U.S. is willing to free spies to get two other governments to negotiate. Notably, for years, Israel denied that Pollard was their spy — considered by many as compounding the dishonesty of spying on your closest ally. It was not until 1999 – over ten years later — that Israel admitted to the U.S. that he was their spy and that, while the U.S. was giving (and continued to give) billions in aid to Israel, it was maintaining spies in our government. Pollard’s release is rumored to be part of a release of prisoners from Israeli prisons to jump start a new round of negotiations.

220px-Pollard_videoframePollard was recruited by Israeli Air Force officer Aviem Sella, who was ordered to develop him as a spy by the Air Force Chief of Staff himself. The Israelis paid him $10,000 cash and expensive jewelry to betray his country. They also paid him some $1,500 per month for further espionage. He also alleged obtained information for South Africa and attempted to sell information to Pakistan. He was even tied to stealing information related to China for his wife to use in her business dealings. He was captured on videotape stealing classified information.

AlanDershowitz2In interviews that may have backfired at the sentencing, Pollard and his wife Anne publicly admitted to spying for Israel in seeking to gain support from the American Jewish community. In a 60 Minutes interview, Anne said, “I feel my husband and I did what we were expected to do, and what our moral obligation was as Jews, what our moral obligation was as human beings, and I have no regrets about that.” That argument has resonated with some and there has been a strong movement to free Pollard within the American Jewish community. Many argue that he agreed to a plea bargain but was given no benefit of the plea by the sentencing judge. Many have also argued for years that the sentence is unduly harsh. Alan Dershowitz has been one of the oct vocal in writing :

[E]veryone seems frightened to speak up on behalf of a convicted spy. This has been especially true of the Jewish leadership in America. The Pollards are Jewish. … The Pollards are also Zionists, who—out of a sense of misguided “racial imperative” (to quote Jonathan Pollard)—seem to place their commitment to Israeli survival over the laws of their own country. … American Jewish leaders, always sensitive to the canard of dual loyalty, are keeping a low profile in the Pollard matter. Many American Jews at the grass roots are outraged at what they perceive to be an overreaction to the Pollards’ crimes and the unusually long sentence imposed on Jonathan Pollard.

228px-Picture_of_Edward_SnowdenFor those who see Pollard as a craven traitor, his release to get Israel to negotiate in its own interest may seem a bit curious. It would suggest that you can betray your country but still walk if you spy for a powerful ally. There remains an uncertain line on how our government treats spies and traitors. There are members of Congress who are calling for Edward Snowden to be tried as a traitor and executed or put into jail for life. They insist that by informing the public of abusive surveillance Snowden must rot in jail. Yet, there is not a peep of opposition from Congress over this release. If the act of espionage can be excused when carried out for the right country or with the right motivation, many would expect a pardon for Snowden who appears to have acted without financial payment or inducement by a foreign power.

Secretary of State John Kerry is quoted as saying “It is difficult, it is emotional, it requires huge decisions, some of them with great political difficulty … We are continuing, even now … to find the best way forward.” Of course, many would question why other criminals are not given this “get of jail” card due to their connection to Israel. We recently discussed the equally (though distinguishable case) of the Sheinbein case. The trade of Pollard for Peace raises the question whether Aldrich Ames or Jim Nicholson should now be traded to get Russia to the negotiating table with the Ukraine.

220px-Bradley_Manning_US_ArmyAn act of clemency based on some mistake or injustice in the sentencing would be understandable, including a decision that espionage sentences should be shorter. (Indeed, for Pollard advocates it would have been far better to argue those points than to tie the release to the peace talks. That nexus might play well in Israel but not quite as well in the U.S.) However, the sell the release as an exchange for — or facilitating — negotiations is difficult to square with other cases. Indeed, it goes against the trend of cases brought by the Justice Department which now invariably pushes for the equivalent of life in cases in a variety of national security cases involving material support allegations against Arab defendants and others. Consider the case of Chelsea Elizabeth Manning (born Bradley Edward Manning) who was 35 years for leaking information in the Wikileaks publications. Manning was acting in what he considered the public interest as did Snowden but there is no groundswell of sympathy in Congress.

The deal also raises serious question about the true commitment of Israel to a negotiation when it has to be induced with such a gift just to sit down at the table. Peace is in Israel’s own interest, right?

What do you think about such a quid pro quo?

Source: CNN

83 thoughts on “Obama Administration Reportedly Near Deal To Free Israeli Spy Jonathan Pollard In Exchange For Israel Negotiating For Peace

  1. The number of politicians from both sides of the Aisle that have been pushing for Pollards release over the course of many years is yet another disheartening, all too obvious sign of the power Israel holds in this country. I am forced to say “this country” as opposed to “our country”. Pollard’s release will solve nothing.

  2. I have different views on the spy issue (This does not involve Edward Snowden)

    For those who are US gov’t employees who act at the behest, and compensation by, foreign governments against the United States should not be used as bargaining chips for geopolitics.

    Spies who are agents of foreign governments in the sense they are actually citizens of that nation or members of a spy agency in my view are a little more akin to being of a status similar to soldiers in service for that gov’t military. They are in a sense different than traitors. I can see political bargaining between them, say to release a KGB spy in exchange for a CIA spy. I agree there should be a deterrance factor to spying against the US involving prison time if caught, in that it deters a segment of a foreign population from offering theselves for recruitment or that foreign governments are disrupted in operations for fear of their employees being imprisoned. Also, holding the spy in prison helps prevent the foreign government from interviewing him/her and obtaining the classified information

    The latter example for me is better suited for trades than the first.

  3. One would think that peace IS what Israel would want BUT there are factions within the Jewish community that believe they are entitled to certain territories and they will continue to fight for their perceived ‘rights’ even if it leads to a world war ! These attitudes can be attributed to religious beliefs of course – there is nothing like feeling you have “God on your side” is there?
    The rest of the world’s safety and happiness is not under consideration !
    Religion truly is the scourge of the planet when it is out of control !
    I have Jewish heritage but I am not blind to the human nonsense cooked up to rationalize theft of other’s homes and land.

  4. “Also, holding the spy in prison helps prevent the foreign government from interviewing him/her and obtaining the classified information”

    You would thing so, Darren, but not when Israel is the spy master involved. Netanyahu himself was granted a visit with Pollard around 2003, as I recall.

  5. We should tell Israel to go to hell and cut off everything. I trust them as much as I would Russia or China?
    Allies? Please. My ass they are our allies. They are parasites.

  6. I would be more sympathetic to this if Israel would grant the SAME compensation that Pollard is getting to the surviving crew members and their families of the USS Liberty who were intentionally blasted out of their lives by Israel. In the interest of decency, I would say that Pollard’s millions that are waiting for him be part of the compensation given to the USS Liberty survivors. I would hope that Kerry would make this part of the settlements if he wishes to use Pollard as a bargaining chip.

  7. One would think that by this point that any information Pollard had would be historical at best.

    As some who grew up during the Cold War when we traded captured spies all the time, this is not a big deal.

    Veronica – Israel’s issues are military not religious. If the countries surrounding Israel would recognize their existence, Israel could move back to its original borders. Given the constant attacks on Israel, I do not begrudge them taking the high ground. They would be idiots to give it back.

  8. dagda, If the Israelis had US spies in prison, THEN it would be normal for a prisoner exchange. Absent that, there is no reason for this since releasing him would only stimulate more spying on the behalf of other countries if the spies knew that they would eventually get out and collect their millions.

    I see that you are not up on recent history either. There are only two neighboring countries which do not recognized Israel, Lebanon, and Syria. Gaza is effectively another “state” which has declared war on Israel, so I can care less what happens to the people there. I am all in favor of the IDF blowing up Hamas anytime any place. They are not an existential threat to Israel, nor are any of the other Arab states and to use the external threat is absurd for any justification for keeping the West Bank people under occupation. Once the situation in Syria stabilizes, and presumably Assad gets control back, it might be possible to get peace with Syria too.

  9. randyjet,
    I am open to learn. Please name all the countries surrounding Israel who have recognized it. Don’t include Egypt because they are dithering right now.

  10. Any trade in exchange for Israel negotiating in good faith (i.e. stop building settlements on Palestinian territories) I think would be pointless. What makes the US think that this exchange would stop the building?

    On the other hand, it’s been thirty years so he’s served his time. I wonder if “country arrest” in Israel could be made part of his parole conditions. Allow Israel to have him but require that Israel not issue him a passport so he can’t leave Israel.

  11. I am not unalterably opposed to trading spies. It seems to me that the issues of spying are too important to be measured by the standard of morality or right and wrong. The main issue would seem to be whether powers can reach agreements that lead toward stability or maybe transparency.

    But the issues of the Pollard case seem far removed from the issues of middle east peace.

    I find it difficult to believe that a party would be motivated to compromise historical issues for what is by comparison a minor payment on an irrelevant matter. Some how it does not seem plausible that trading Pollard will lead to the intended result.

  12. “The trade of Pollard for Peace raises the question whether Aldrich Ames or Jim Nicholson should now be traded to get Russia to the negotiating table with the Ukraine.”
    It is difficult for me to believe that Pollard has any current valuable information that would benefit Israel or the U.S. I wonder what Obama’s motive it? Is it an act of benevolence or what?
    If I understand the article correctly, Pollard seems to have had his fingers in everybody’s pie for self interest reasons. On the other hand, perhaps, he’s holding valuable information as a “get out of jail card,” to negotiate his release–information badly needed by Israel and the U.S.

  13. While I understand the possible use of Pollard in a quest to avoid continued bloodshed, I do not trust Israel to bargain in good faith on the Pollard matter or the Peace issue.

  14. dagda, I guess you have never heard of or do not recognize Jordan since many rightwing Israelis consider it to be part of Israel. By the way, Saudi Arabia has offered to recognize Israel if they actually allow a real Palastinian state.

  15. Currently there are two Arab states that recognize Israel and one of those is dithering. I did miss Jordan, thanks for reminding me.:)

  16. What won’t King Obama do to have some type of legacy besides the BP Oil rig, Syria, Libya, Obamacare, IRS, etc. Why, he’ll releases treasonous spies, that’s all. Maybe it’s not as bad as Bubba, Holder, and Marc Rich? I don’t know.

  17. Takes some pretty interesting mental gymnastics to blame Obama for BP oil spill May I suggest that he consult with the Repubican congressman who apologized to BP for the administration’s insisting that BP pay damages.

  18. Anyone who loves sausage or the law should not watch either being made.
    – – – Bismarck

    “America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.”

  19. The BP response was fitting a constitutional professor, not a leader. BP and poor govt. regulation was the reason for the disaster and the main culprit, w/o question. The response by Obama was bumbling akin to the Bush/Nagin response to Katrina, albeit that was involving human life and much worse.

  20. Whose war cry is Drill Baby Drill? Who is screaming because no permits are being given for deep drilling off shore? What party wants to eliminate regulation?

    All those who believe the answer is Democrats, gets sent back to third grade.

  21. I voted for Obama in 2008. I wised up in 2012. Never in my lifetime, including Carter, have I seen a more woefully inept and dangerous foreign policy as I have seen w/ Obama. The world is laughing and mocking Obama, and us. Just today, Iran selected a known Iranian terrorist, who was involved w/ the taking of our embassy, as THEIR UN AMBASSADOR. In the attempt to give KING OBAMA a legacy, we are bending over and grabbling our ankles. The King wants a Palestinian/Israel agreement..A SMALL ONE, and we turn over a traitor. We want a nuclear “agreement” w/ Iran, we bury our head as they continue to enrich uranium and now this, a terrorist in the UN! I just saw a very liberal NY Dem congressman express outrage that the Administration is considering a visa for this terrorist. We will be cleaning up the mess of this Imperial President for decades!

  22. Stay on topic. I withdraw BP from the discussion. Your guy was a hero, OK!! Now, what about the other 800lb. gorilla’s in the room?

  23. Sorry. I didn’t know the rules around here.

    Someone interrupts the thread with Katrina and BP, someone responds, and then the interrupter tells the responder to stay on topic. Makes perfect sense.

  24. Whatever remaining legitimacy the US government has will be stripped away if Pollard is released as part of any Palestinian/Israeli negotiations.

    I also submit the harm caused the US by Pollard’s pilfering of sensitive information was so egregious he should not be released from his cage next year in 2015.

  25. Pollard is due for release in 2015. Maybe, just maybe, releasing that tiny shitball a few months early if it convinces Israel to try talking again.

    See, its not the worst deal in the world when you look at the actual reality instead of thinking with your little head, which is how we got into this situation in the first place.

  26. waldo, Read the comments. I included BP in a long list of failures. It was made as a GENERAL point. A royal apologist used it as a distraction. So, I withdrew BP as to hope to keep the discussion focused. I sometimes forget some folks can get distracted by shiny objects. I accept the blame, but hopefully you’ll now get back to foreign policy failures. They are MUCH more important.

  27. Professor Turley, as someone who has come to appreciate your equanimity on most issues, and certainly your thouroughness, I must say I’m disappointed in your wild misrepresentations about virtually everything regarding this issue.

    First, the “quid pro quo” is NOT about getting Israel back to the negotiating table.

    Israel has never LEFT negotiations and has accepted the indefinite extension of the current fruitless talks without ANY requirements or inducements.

    The discussion of releasing Pollard is SOLELY to convince Israel to go ahead and release yet ANOTHER group of murderers in Israeli prisons, as an inducement to get the, shall we say, recalcitrant (read obstructionist) so called Palestinians back to the table.

    This is no small thing as the previous agreed upon prisoner releases designed to bribe Abbas JUST TO TALK, has wrenched the Israeli public.

    They have reached their breaking point, and it is generally accepted that if Netanyahu were to agree to the current prisoner release (and of course the US has told him he cannot release anyone that murdered Americans in Israel, ONLY those that murdered Israeli jews, in itself an offensive position to say the least), that the current coalition would dissolve and Bibi would most likely lose his Prime Ministership.

    That’s the first mistake you make, and a huge one, and typical of the type of biased presentation on all things Israel that occurs in the US.

    The next issue is that of Pollard himself. His actions CANNOT be forgiven.

    However, Pollard has already served longer than ANYONE else convicted of the same crime.

    Worse, EVERY major intelligence chief has stated that his sentence was overly harsh and that he should be released.

    And this started YEARS ago.

    The agreed upon plea bargain was unilaterally thrown out by the judge in the case SOLELY because of an affidavit by Warren Christopher, a well known, virulent antisemite.

    The Pollard case is the prime example of the fact that the only socially acceptable form of bigotry left in the United States is antisemitism.

  28. Spinelli. Follow the bouncing ball…

    Spinelli wrote, in total, @ 3:44

    The BP response was fitting a constitutional professor, not a leader. BP and poor govt. regulation was the reason for the disaster and the main culprit, w/o question. The response by Obama was bumbling akin to the Bush/Nagin response to Katrina, albeit that was involving human life and much worse.

    I responded @ 4:29

    THEN comes Spinelli’s 4:50 lengthy list.

    Quit the instructions until you learn how to tell time.

    But you do cut quite a figure on the dance floor.

  29. Have to laugh about your “terrorist” tizzy. While that guy was probably just out of his teens, our PRESIDENT was selling arms to Iran and Oliver North was giving the money to murderers of nuns. But I guess that is similar.

    P.S. I am sorry I missed your brilliant analysis at 1:30. You can do a do-over and add BENGHAZI!! I wonder when we shall soon be reading of “King” Obama in all the scholarly journals

  30. I get it Waldo, you are in denial and playing the “Well, Republicans are worse,” game. I contend this is the worst president in a lifetime. I never voted for Reagan, I did vote for Obama. Except, I learn from my mistakes. You pissed on both legs. Now, where’s my sandwich!!!

  31. People who take over US Embassies and kill State Dept. employees are terrorists. Liberal Dem pols call them terrorist. WTF do you call them?

  32. Spinelli, your remark at 7:08 is unfathomable. I would describe it as bullying and thuggish. Surely that is not the impression you wish to leave with us.

  33. Spinelli, aren’t you a history teacher? No Americans were killed in the takeover of the American embassy during the Iran hostage crisis.

  34. I’ve got this crazy picture in my head. A guy in his underwear, sprawled in his Lazy-Boy, four or five empty beer bottles sitting at his feet, yelling at his wife for a sandwich and another beer to wash it down…..

    Ahhh yes. The picture of rational thought.

    Maybe we could have a selfie?

  35. Waldo,
    That would be the picture of rational thought for liberals. Conservatives would be too busy working.

  36. Oh dagda. I’m sorry. We’ve confused you.

    That guy in the chair? I don’t think he calls himself a liberal.

  37. Interesting analysis on “worst president in a lifetime”.

    Reagan, who sold missles to Iran, was president in the 80s. But he doesn’t count because Spinelli didn’t vote for him. (Note to historians:: Reagan exempted from list of terrible presidents as Spinelli didn’t vote for him.)

    Then there is W, and Cheney, and Rumsfield, who lied us into wars that killed thousands of our men and women, cost the Treasury billions, okayed torture, and killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqi’s, but somehow Obama is worse because Pollard may be a bargaining chip in restarting stalled talks and assorted other high crimes and misdemeanors that by some terrible stroke of luck has kept our boots off the ground in assorted ME countries. Truthfully, I don’t know where Spinelli ranks W as Bush remained unmentioned. Maybe he, too, is not part of Spinelli’s rankings of presidents. A ranking that is determined by whether Spinelli voted for him….or maybe Spinelli just forgot W was a president.

    Solid historical analysis there, Spinelli. And only just a few gaps.

    But maybe I am being unfair in the ranking and compariison of presidents. Maybe the only fair way to do it is to ONLY compare Obama vs Obama vs Obama. There! That ought to fix it!

    Now that’s the way history should be done.

  38. Nick Spinelli
    Stay on topic. I withdraw BP from the discussion. Your guy was a hero, OK!! Now, what about the other 800lb. gorilla’s in the room?

  39. 8 US soldiers died trying to rescue the State Dept. employees captured AND TOTURED by the man now headed to the UN. You are a horrible waiter. Maybe you need to go back to bussing tables.

  40. Waldo, you are not only funny but your take on Nick Spinelli is right on target. The poor man evidently never recovered from voting for Pres. Obama and he can’t seem to make a comment without some jab or stab at the president. I am not a big supporter of this president either but blaming him for the BP spill: yikes. As for Pollard, pardon me for not trusting either the Palestinian nor the Israeli government. Lastly, Stephen Luftstein has detected some tendency in Prof. Turley’s postings which have seemed to him somewhat biased against the Jewish people in general. I agree with him on that. I wish I had time to review the instances I even commented on it right on this site. However, let me make it clear that I reserve the right to criticize the extreme religious right wing Jewish leaders and their followers both here and in Israel. This goes for all religious extremists BTW.

  41. The entire country has not recovered from voting for King Obama and we will not recover for decades. I am merely one of his millions of victims as are you, so we have something in common. And I believe Professor Turley married a Jew, and has children from that marriage. So, your judgment on several counts seems to be horseshit, Elsie. But, feel free to pontificate anyway, it’s free!

  42. Nick, you seem to be slightly peeved when someone puts your own horseshit on display. Your lashing out at me doesn’t faze me in the least. I stand by my statement about Professor Turley and some of his comments about Jewish people. I have no clue as to whom Prof. Turley is married and I don’t understand why you feel the need to bring that up. I am married to a Jewish man. The fact that my husband is Jewish should have no bearing on what I feel and think on here. Give me a break, Nick, you just can’t stand it when someone call BS on you FIRST or makes fun at your expense. Grow up. Lastly, before i sign off here for tonight: I don’t consider myself a victim of Pres. Obama, Nick. I may not like some of his decisions but I don’t feel like I am some hapless victim. Victimhood irks me. I request you stop putting words into my mouth, dear.

  43. Elsie, You assertions are ludicrous on their face. Calling someone w/ a Jewish wife and kids an anti-Semite requires more than your FEELINGS. I think you’re a racist. I don’t have any specific proof, I just FEEL that way. I “wish I had time to review”[your words] what made me FEEL that way. But, I have more important things to do. Really sucks when it’s turned around, doesn’t it. For the record, since you show poor reading skills vis a vis my Obama BP comments, I AM NOT CALLING YOU A RACIST. I don’t call people “Racist, homophobe, anti-Semite, sexist, sociopath, etc. And, the days of throwing those epithets around ended in January 2014. Read the memo!

  44. I have to confess I sometimes make comments just to get that photo from looking @ me on the recent comment log. I know I’m not the only one. Just sayn’.

  45. Nick, you’re being uncivil again. Since we don’t have the pleasure of seeing your mug, I’ll just say you’re jealous you aren’t as handsome as some distinguished commenters here. Just remember you aren’t superman, you’re not invincible.

  46. Nick – first, I was the person to bring this up and I didn’t call Turly an antisemite. What I said was that the ridiculous misrepresentations in this post, both about the current “offer” which has nothing to do with keeping Israel talking and is only about keeping the so called Palestinians talking, AND about the Pollard case itself, which EVERY top security official in the US government for the last 25 years with the exception of Warren Christopher, and his antisemitic cabal, have agreed was out of the norm for these types of cases, was an example of the type of easy misrepresentations which are made every day in the US in the press and are representative of a type of endemic antisemitism.

    In order to be personally bigoted, you have to have evil intent in your heart, and the Professor clearly does not, but that does not mean he is correct here.

    And of course, it’s ridiculous to say that just because you’re married to a Jewish woman – which I don’t know to be true or false – you can’t be antisemitc.

    Many of the world’s worst antisemites were Jewish, from Marx, to Hitler, if you believe the theories about the Schiklegruber clan from which he came.

  47. Stephen, I agree w/ you in theory, but NOT on the specifics of your contention. Let’s just leave it there.

  48. Yes, Spinelli, men were killed when their helicopters crashed in the desert – miles from the embassy and a mission that was unknown by those who held the hostages. But your linkage and the retelling of those events goes a long way to explain the way you…….uhmmmm…….shall we call it “think”.

    But splendid work in remembering the failed rescue attempt.

  49. Spinelli said:

    People who take over US Embassies and kill State Dept. employees are terrorists. Liberal Dem pols call them terrorist. WTF do you call them?

    Spinelli, care to edit “and KILL State Dept. employees”?

    I think there may be a spot for you available at Fox News.

  50. I try and remember all our heroes and I NEVER forget a terrorist. Sort of like the Mossad and the Munich Olympic terrorists. Thanks for letting us know how cavalierly you dismiss fallen soldiers trying to free US hostages being tortured. And, I wasn’t aware the need for the terrorists to KNOW about the deaths in order to be held accountable. Is that the Waldo theory of International law? If a cop dies trying to free a hostage taken in say, a bank robbery, as long as the robber wasn’t aware the cop died then it’s a freebie??? Wow!

  51. Under International law those terrorists are responsible for the death of the brave men who died trying to free them!! Any military moms care to chime in here???

  52. Spinelli,

    Somehow I just can’t imagine Turley say “my Jewish wife”. Please provide corroboration.

  53. Any military parents care to weigh in on the death of soldiers trying to free hostages as inconsequential????

  54. As a military parent I am not deceived by faux concern for my daughter and her fellow sailors and Marines. It’s pretty low to misrepresent other’s words and motivations.

  55. I thank every person in uniform I see. I must have thanked 25 Chief Petty Officers @ Petco Park on Tuesday. It was their day @ the ballpark. I bought 2 a beer.I have thanked many veterans here for their service. It’s documented. I have spoken here and elsewhere about the death of my childhood friend, Chuck Manarel, in Viet Nam. I spoke about the profound effect it had on me as a 15 year old kid. It’s documented. I have spoken here about my dear deceased cousin coming home from NAM a heroin addict. HOW DARE YOU SAY THAT TO ME. My commitment is documented. What is your take on Waldo’s International Law, Annie? I’m not the issue, Waldo’s scoffing @ the death of soldiers is. Or, are you going to go w/ the morally bankrupt philosophy, “The enemy of my enemy is my friend” philosophy. It only feels good for a while, Annie. Last chance, Annie. Don’t talk to me. Talk to Waldo, he’s the person mocking “patriots” and your daughter. No matter your hatred for me, talk to Waldo. He’s the military hater. It’s gut check time, Annie.

  56. Wow, it never ends. Again with the distortion and misrepresentation of other’s (Waldo being just one) comments and motivations. To reply to such commenters is beneath my contempt.

  57. Thanks. I’ve bookmarked this along w/ the abortion “flush down the toilet.” That is not uncivil so don’t whine, it’s merely a statement of fact. I have this exchange @ easy access next time you bring up the military. By the way, Waldo is all yours. Here’s something just as appalling, all these barristers here and no one would like to give Waldo a simple lesson in criminal law. Now, NO ONE has come to the defense of Waldo Justice, but their silence is tacit approval. “The enemy of my enemy is my friend.”

  58. annie – I taught at a school where they taught both the teachers and students TM. It never took on the students but it was great for the teachers.:) Could I suggest that to you instead of Serenity Now?

  59. Paul, It is basic criminal law that anyone w/ even cursory knowledge knows. If someone dies as the result of a felonious act, that is homicide. If 2 guys go into a bank and one of the shitbirds get killed by a bystander or cop, the other shitbird is on the hook for homicide. All the attorneys here know this.

  60. I never heard of “Serenity Now”, until commenting here on this blog. As for TM, I’d fall asleep. But thanks for the concern. I find that a cup of my favorite coffee with cream and a chocolate raspberry scone is relaxing and makes me feel quite happy.

  61. […] The Obama Administration is reportedly close to an extraordinary deal to get Israel back to the negotiations table: it is going to release Israeli spy, Jonathan Pollard. One could question why Israel needs any inducement to negotiate with the Palestinians for its own peace and more importantly why the U.S. is willing to free spies to get two other governments to negotiate. Notably, for years, Israel denied that Pollard was their spy — considered by many as compounding the dishonesty of spying on your closest ally. It was not until 1999 – over ten years later — that Israel admitted …read more […]

  62. annie – I thought I would fall asleep too, but you don’t and you are very rested and relaxed when you finish. Just an offer.😉

  63. Free Pollard 5 minutes after kicking the chair out from under him.
    America, throw off the YOKE of Israel.
    America is like MASTER-BLASTER in “Thunderdome”. The dwarf Israel controlling the retarded giant:
    “christian-zionism” is today’s JUDAS ISCARIOT .
    America & Christians have been YOKED by those who crucified Our Lord.
    In the bible the Jews BRAG about how they parasitically controlled Egypt AND Babylon. The bible clearly tells how Abraham twice “pimped” his own wife for monetary gain from Kings of GOOD character. Then ignorant people say one is wrong to talk about Jews controlling things. TRY READING THE BIBLE, the jews BRAG about it, insinuating themselves into positions of power is part of their culture.
    The Jews want to rebuild their “temple” so they can return to ANIMAL/BLOOD sacrifices, where they smear the blood of the animal all over (the bible describes in detail how they should rub blood all over themselves) and burn the corpse for a “PLEASING ODOR onto “their” lord”. The first 9 chapters of Leviticus involve detailed instructions for sacrificing live animals to their god. The Jews worship a WAR god. The CRUCIFIXTION of JESUS CHRIST was the FINAL sacrifice. Or don’t any of you EVER read the Bible?
    Isreal worships a WAR god. Christians have no business supporting or associating with WAR god worshipers. The only Jews Christians should embrace are those Jews who see the LIGHT and convert. WAR god followers do not embrace PEACE.
    “Judeo-Christian” is an OXYMORON. WAR-God vs PEACE-God. The Old Testament followers worship a WAR GOD and spend their lives hating, reliving every imagined slight, and dreaming of VENGENCE ….. “NEVER FORGIVE and NEVER FORGET” …. they still go on about Egypt and Babylon after MILLENIA. New Testament followers (are supposed to) worship a loving, forgiving God, and to CLOSE the Old Testament, as it has been FULLFILLED by the Crucifixion of Jesus. If you are following the OLD Testament you ARE NOT and CANNOT be a CHRISTian.
    “ANTI-Christ” does not get any greater then to CRUCIFY HIM. There is a MYTH that attempts to shift blame for the crucifixion onto Rome but the Priests sending SAUL of TARSUS and others to HUNT His followers right after the crucifixion PROVES that that is a lie. The Priests also instigated POGROMS against the early Christians. Judaism IS the ANTI-CHRIST.
    “christian-zionism” is the modern day JUDAS ISCARIOT, attacking CHRISTianity while feigning to BE Christian. Kissing Christ on the cheek for the Temple Priests.
    Jews, even to this day, refuse to set aside 2,000 years of venomous hatred for Our Savior. Judaism is a HATE group.
    “Every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is the spirit of Antichrist. He is the spirit of Antichrist who denies that Jesus is the Son of God and the Messiah.” — (I John 2:22; 4:3)

    “My opinion of Christian Zionists? They’re scum. But don’t tell them that. We need all the useful idiots we can get right now.” — Benyamin Netanyahu, Israeli prime minister
    “Once we squeeze all we can out of the United States, it can dry up and blow away.” — A comment made by Benjamin Netanyahu to Jonathan Pollard (convicted traitor and spy) upon exiting Pollard’s jail cell.
    On the day of the 9-11 attacks, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was asked what the attacks would mean for US-Israeli relations. His quick reply was: “It’s very good…….Well, it’s not good, but it will generate immediate sympathy (for Israel)”

  64. Annie,

    During the course if a crime… Regardless if it’s a felony or misdemeanor…. A person is killed….. It’s called felony murder….. If I recall some states are divided whether it pertains to one of the perpetrators…. I think I’m correct…. Remember serenity now….

  65. How soon after we start releasing traitors, will we sart rewarding them?
    If we don’t already have special metal for them , we should get one made quick.

  66. To all folks on here who commented. Note my earlier remarks about the only socially acceptable form of bigotry, and see the comment just left.
    Where are the outraged replies?
    Had those comments been made about any other group, I can assure the responses would have been present.

    To reiterate to ALL to the point of Prof. Turley’s post.
    The Pollard offer had NOTHING TO DO with getting Israel to keep talking.

    The very idea that it is Israel that needs inducement is a lie, and it is my belief that it comes from what is known as the modern antisemitism, anti Israel sentiment.

    It is the Arabs who have refused to continue talking, and worse, made not a single concession, not even simply saying “We recognize that you are a country”.

    The Pollard offer was a way to try and get the Israelis, specifically the Netanyahu government to NOT BE THROWN OUT by releasing more Arab murderers of Israeli citizens.

    Next, Pollard was convicted of relatively minor (if one can describe ANY espionage as minor) espionage crimes.

    There was a plea bargain in place.

    Warren Christopher wrote a last minute affadavit to the judge which has remained secret, but whose contents were leaked by various aides of his, which was so violently antisemitic and condemnatory of Pollard, Israel, and Jewish Americans that the judge THREW OUT THE PLEA BARGAIN.

    This is in itself is exceptionally rare. That is why he is serving life.

    Since the sentencing, virtually all the CIA directors who have been asked, as well as other top officials from Secs of State, etc, have all said he should have been released years ago.

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