Passengers on a flight from New York to Tel Aviv were put through what one passenger described as “an 11-hour long nightmare” on El Al after ultra-orthodox passengers refused to sit near women and demanded segregation of the sexes in line with their religion. The men in black hats and curly tendrils refused to take their previously selected seats for take off. They then jumped out of their seats and stood in the aisle protesting that women were near them . . . for 11 hours.
The El Al flight on Rosh Hashanah was described as an “11-hour nightmare” as the men continued to try to convince a planeload of people to relocate into segregated zones, even offering money to some to self-segregate. One woman was asked to move from the seat next to her husband.
The men continued to complain loudly and pray in the aisle for the flight, making it impossible for some passengers to use the rest rooms, according to media reports. At least the men did not add the Kapparot to the prayers.
The response (or lack thereof) by El-Al stands in sharp contrast to past cases of disruptions. Indeed, we have often been critical of how passengers are routinely tossed off flights for the slightest acts from telling jokes to wearing objectionable tee-shirts to notebook doodles to challenging a pilot’s sobriety to disagreeing with flight attendants to negative tweets. Muslims have long objected that they have been removed from flights for speaking Arabic, dressing in Muslim garb, or for unknown reasons. However, another airline actually threw off a Jewish boy who was praying on a flight. Yet, this incident did not result in any action taken by El-Al to the chagrin of the other passengers.
What is particularly bizarre is that these men selected their seats and knew that this was not a segregated flight. There is such a thing as chartered flights. Otherwise, you cannot force the rest of the world to comply with your extreme religious views.
Source: Washington Post
really? wow sorry but laughs comes now!! hahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha ive been saying this for a while now and even on this blog had a now ex commenter, wknd blogger think he was taking my head for posting that jews are just as bad if not worse then the demonized muslims of course thanks to the brainwashing against muslims none would believe it but more and more lately the truth is coming out.. NO ITS NOT ALL JEWS JUST AS IT ISNT ALL MUSLIMS. but try telling some of the sheeple that. even when i posted links of proof i was a liar and hater my proof stemmed also from personal experience with so called ultra orthodox jews i lived in wiliamsburg brooklyn for a number of years right next to the ultra orthodox faction
“Careful, your enemies you know, may God deliver you from your friends.”
Justice Holmes @ 3:00 am: Hobby Lobby isn’t the entire story although a number of churches and other allegedly religious entities are looking to use HL to relive themselves of many obligations the rest of us have.
Speaking of Hobby Lobby and its “obligations”, etc.:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/09/25/the-1-billion-a-year-right-wing-conspiracy-you-haven-t-heard-of.html
“The Gathering is an annual event at which many of the wealthiest conservative to hard-right evangelical philanthropists in America—representatives of the families DeVos, Coors, Prince, Green, Maclellan, Ahmanson, Friess, plus top leaders of the National Christian Foundation—meet with evangelical innovators with fresh ideas on how to evangelize the globe. The Gathering promotes “family values” agenda: opposition to gay rights and reproductive rights, for example, and also a global vision that involves the eventual eradication of all competing belief systems that might compete with The Gathering’s hard-right version of Christianity. Last year, for example, The Gathering 2013 brought together key funders, litigants, and plaintiffs of the Hobby Lobby case, including three generations of the Green family.
“The Gathering was conceived in 1985 by a small band of friends at the Arlington, Virginia, retreat center known as The Cedars, which is run by the evangelical network that hosts the annual National Prayer Breakfast. This stealthy network is known as The Family or The Fellowship. Jeff Sharlet’s book The Family: The Secret Fundamentalism at the Heart of American Power described it in great detail. …
“The world needs better. There are many problems to address. And I think world religions can become part of the solutions that guide us toward a better outcome in coming decades, but only insofar as they put aside covert, religious supremacist agendas and work for the common good of all. And workable solutions will require honesty—not currently a hallmark of The Gathering.”
Beldar, there’s humor and then there’s not. Yours was not.
What the hell Beldar? Seriously?
Beldar, I have deleted one of your comments as containing a highly offensive reference for Jews under our civility rule.
Thank you, Professor Turley.
How many dp-sticks do this, why couldn’t they sit next to each other
Sounds like a simple solution. Put them off the plane you already have their money, issue solved.
If I had to pee and they were blocking the aisle then I would certainly pee on them. Nuff said.
I wish liberals were stubborn. I find liberals too flexible but there you have it. As to the claim that it is a far walk from Hobby Lobby to this ruckus, Its not. Special privilege based on religion is the same as an exemption from a generally applicable law like ACA or the tax code or land use regulations. There are many laws from which allegedly religious people or entities get exemptions in this country and it is very wrong. Special privileges based on religion also include providing special areas, special foods or other special amenities not provided for the unprivileged nonreligious. It is always wrong but it becomes particularly offensive when this privileges burden the rights of others which almost of of these privileges do.
Hobby Lobby isn’t the entire story although a number of churches and other allegedly religious entities are looking to use HL to relive themselves of many obligations the rest of us have. SCOTUS knew what it was doing and now we will see a flood of requests, some in the form of law suits, for more and more privilege. I can see their “halos” glowing from here.
Verrrryyy good Squeaky lol Unbelievable. Everyone is stirred up now about minorities and Women and Children. Disgusting.
@NickS
Thank you!!! How do I know a little Yiddish??? Well, you have to know these things when you’re a Girl Reporter, you know???
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2R3FvS4xr4
Squeeky Fromm
Girl Reporter
Squeeky, Your poetry is improving. And how does a Texas Bubbette know Yiddish?
@troopery
Jews on a plane??? Apparently they waited until the plane took off to raise Holy Heck. Hmmm, that makes me think of an Irish Poem!
“Schlemiel! Schlimazel! Hassle People Incorporated???
An Irish Poem By Squeeky Fromm
The plane, it was full of meshuggenehs!
And when it was too late to call the fuzz,
The Orthodox boys
Lit into the goys,
Oy Vey! What a hell of a flight it was!
Squeeky Fromm
Shiksa Reporter
Notes on Yiddish Terms:
Schlemiel! Schlimazel! Hasenpfeffer Incorporated!” From Laverne and Shirley, a Yiddish-American hopscotch chant.
schlemiel : A dummy; someone who is taken advantage of, a born loser.
schlimazel : A chronically unlucky person, a born loser, when a shlimazl sells umbrella the sun comes out
meshuggenehs; In noun form, crazy persons.
goys: A derogatory term meaning gentile,
Oy Vey!: “Oh, how terrible things are”
Shiksa: a gentile girl
Of course since it was their religious beliefs that demanded this sexual segregation, those beliefs must be respected. Because that is a common refrain I hear from those on the religious right-wing, religious beliefs demand greater respect than any other belief, no matter how stupid they might be.
I change my comment to: Liberals are stubborn… OK? My comment was about an earlier post. It isn’t hard to get to Hobby Lobby from El Al. The earlier post referenced religion being forced on others. There are so many comments in social media that aren’t true, and I feel compelled to correct them as a service to the uninformed.
Sandi Hemming – Generalize much? Thank you for your “service to the uninformed”. I’m sure the sarcasm was wasted on them, too.
As Johnny Carson would say, “I did not know that.”
Yes. He was in fact the same person as Joan Rivers.
A little known fact.
Isn’t Red Buttons dead?
Man am I hearing monotone today…. Seem like the same voice….
Starring Red Buttons as the Grand Rebbe, Urkel as Lemrick Nelson, and Samuel L. Jackson as the Rev AL Sharpton.