Various media outlets are reporting the latest outrage from Sharia courts. Iranian authorities have reportedly executed Mohsen Amir-Aslani, 37, for allegedly “insulting” the prophet Jonah and accused him of committing adultery. For that exercise of free speech and freedom of religion, a Sharia court had him hanged.
Amir-Aslani was arrested nine years ago for what is described in the Guardian article as “making innovations in Islam and providing his own interpretations of the Qur’an.” He was later accused of insulting prophet Jonah and having sex outside marriage.
Leila, his wife, said that the court declared his religious views as “spreading corruption on earth” and denounced “innovations in the religion.”
The specific charge regarding Jonah is based on his simple observation that the story of Jonah, which appears in Chapter 10 of the Qur’an, is “symbolic.” The Sharia court viewed that as insulting since Muslims believe that he was swallowed by a fish and imprisoned before he “glorified Allah” and repented for his actions.
The charge of illicit sex with people in his classes was added later and one can only imagine what officials may have done to his students and associates to support such a charge.
Human rights groups have charged that Iran’s ministry of intelligence was behind Amir-Aslani’s arrest. The case was given to a notorious judge, Abolghassem Salavati, who is known for denying basic rights and consistently ordering executions.
It is telling that these “judges” are so fearful of “innovation” or commentary on their religion. Such disgraceful executions only serve leave the impression of men who are insecure about the viability of their faith in the modern world or its ability to withstand commentary. The destructive legacy of these Sharia courts continues to mount as various Muslim countries disguises blind religious Orthodoxy and intolerance as forms of “law.” Salavati is not a judge in any plausible interpretation of that word. Likewise, this is no more of a “court” than was the tribunals of the Spanish inquisition. These atrocities will continue until the Muslim world embraces the concept of separation of mosque and state and rejects such crimes as apostasy.
RIP Mohsen Amir-Aslani
There the wicked cease from troubling, and there the weary be at rest.
Job, 3. 17
Source: Guardian
Paul, I think momdemom may be a much better ‘source’ to explain the Koran than you, no offense.
annie – and you know that because?
I know it the same way you ‘know’ things Paul. 🙂
Annie – don’t bob and weave. Give me an answer.
Aridog, You and KarenS have a lot in common vis a vis military background. Karen’s being familial.
Karen S said … Believe me, the moderate Muslims I’ve known do NOT want Sharia Law here in the US. That’s why they moved her – to escape all that.
Living as I do in a dense Muslim neighborhood, I have heard almost exactly those same words. Foremost was on 11 Sep 2001 when a neighbor came to me in tears saying how sorry she was for that day, and that she felt what they had fled had followed them here.
pominutebol said … I know lots of Muslims, being one, and I have yet to hear one advocate for the establishment of shariah law anywhere.
Though I ‘m not a Muslim I have to say the same thing…I’ve never heard, personally, a Muslim advocate for Sharia in the USA or anywhere else.
However, I’ve heard several do so on television in news interviews. I resent it that the media seems to publish the radicals while ignoring the thousands who don’t speak out or complain. My only solution, even locally, when someone says something to anger me, is to try to understand why they might have said something….and that usually resolves the issues between us.
Recently an issue was some kids playing with my dog “Dera” who dearly loves kids and waits for them to come home from school. A remark was made about this was an unclean activity, when I knew it was that only if the kids didn’t wash their hands after playing. I’ve lived here 30+ years and have always had moist towelettes and hot/cold running water with clean towels handing on the fence just so I could insist the kids wash their hands before leaving our yard. (What they got in to after leaving me I couldn’t control). The reason for the towelettes and hot/cold water etc was to reassure the mothers of the kids I knew…as at that time it appeared the mothers ran the households for family purposes. The recent issue was with a father who’d moved here recently. One of his daughters asked me to telephone her dad and explain my policy for playing in our yard..e.g., wash your hands before leaving. I did it, although I was nervous he’s think I was talking down to him, as it turned out he mostly understood.
You also said (something I’ve heard a lot here)… I felt it to be the best way of celebrating the birth of Jesus, Peace be upon him. Ultimately. The source is the same, therefore the creation is the same, and so to care for the creature is to show love for the creator.
Within the past month I’ve heard the President of the United States assert that the God of Islam is a different God than that of Christians and Jews. Something along the lines of “tolerance for a different G-d.” He may have misspoken, however, in doing so he revealed how little he really knows of Muslims, let alone the God of Abraham, a heritage of Christians and Jews as well.
Mike Appleton said …
I would only add that if one wishes to understand the idiocy of the Vietnam War, one need only read Bernard Fall’s “Hell In A Very Small Place.”
True enough, an excellent coverage of the last stand of the French in Indo-China, and a book I also read before enlisting. I subsequently read Jules Roy’s ” The Battle of Dienbienphu”, actually published before Fall’s epic non-fiction piece, but I didn’t find it in English until I came home. Bernard Fall unfortunately was killed in Vietnam while traveling with US Marines before I made it over there. Roy’s view of the events in Vietnam were that of a colonial (Algerian) who misread much of what the native locals said to him because he wanted to be fair as he perceived it. Roy’s “The Voyage to China” where he visited China was rife with misconceptions about what he through he found in China under Mao.
None-the-less, in one of Roy’s dispatches from Hanoi pre-1954, he said (paraphrasing here…I can’t find the actual article): “When we must barricade against children, we are lost.” I have a large 16×20 photo, hanging in my living room, of two very small Vietnamese children crouching behind coils of barbed wire smiling at the US Marines as they marched out of Danang for the first time to carry the war in to the countryside. It was taken by a close friend who was among the first regular light infantry to “officially” go to Vietnam. I titled it “Barricades Against Children” long ago and it tells me every day all I need to know about war and warfare and who pays for it in the end. I lived…but I have no idea of whether those children did.
on 1, October 1, 2014 at 1:21 pmPaul C. Schulte
“po – you use the word dangerous which I find odd in a discussion that could be polite. You could say I was wrong or something to that effect, but personally, I find your use of the word ‘dangerous’ to be threatening.’ I would appreciate it if you found a new word.”
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Oh good grief.
Annie – outrage from the woman who had a problem with the Piss Christ? Come on, get real!
I co-opt your answer to Paul, Annie. Works for me.
Paul I am not authoritative on the quran at all, just familiar enough with it to address misassumptions when I see them.
No one can ever master the quran, one can only keep learning it, and keep finding in it unseen layers and missed perspectives and lifted veils, as it is, am sure for the Bible and the Thorah. No 2 islamic scholars would agree on everything the quran says, which is a problem for interpretation and allows extremists to justify their extremism, but at the same time, enables and requires for every single muslim to research and use reason to understand the spirit of the verse, if no the letter.
Regarding the length and order of the surahs, generally, the order is descending, but there are enough longer ones put in down the line to upset the claim that it is descending order. For example, the last surah is longer than the 3 preceding ones, and the 26th surah is longer than the 2nd one.
There are thousand of books written about this exact topic, as for every topic addressing islam, spanning a millennium, and it can make for an interesting read. po
momdemom – the real problem is that the suras are not in a logical order as they would be in the Torah or the New Testament. So, to say they are taken out of context is like saying the 2nd Amendment is taken out of context. They stand on their own. Apparently the suras or surahs were revealed to Mohammed over two decades by the Sustainer in an irregular order and may or may not have been written down during Mohammed’s lifetime.
My only point here is whether you actually quote a sura or surah out of context. I am not interested in discussing or debating the rest of it right now. 🙂
That’s my point, Paul. At first glance, the surahs are not in logical order, but to those with the key, they are. Matter of fact, nothing about religion makes real logical sense anyway, yet we have it. Also, the surahs do not stand on their own, every single one is taken in light of the one that precedes it and the one that follows it, just as for the ayats, the verses. Just as one cannot use the verse saying “smite their necks wherever you find them…” without the previous verse that says “…if they do not stop harassing and killing you…” and the one that follows it, which says “…but if you can forgive them, that is better in the sight of Allah…”, one cannot use of chapter independently of the book. The surahs were also written down in the Prophet’s lifetime.
Po
momdemom – there is some discussion on both sides of both issues that you raise. It appears you have to have a separate score card or cheat sheet to understand the suras. Now, that does not make a bit of sense. They need to stand on their own. Let’s take the Code of Hammurabi. Each code stands on its own. You do not have to look above and below to interpret what is happening. In fact, if this the method of examination of the suras then it is an endless loop. For example, I am looking at sura 50. I now have to look at suras 49 and 51, then to fully understand them, suras 48 and 52, etc. It is a never ending story.
There are scholars who believe the suras were not written down until after the death of the Prophet. And there is the whole thing about different copies that were eventually destroyed.
HappyP, it’s nice to have a Progressive Christian here! You know that Glenn Beck said that Presbyterians are one of those “Social Justice” churches and that “real” Christians” should ” run away as fast as they can,” from such churches. but Glenn Beck is sorta nuts. If I were ever to join a church, Presbyterian would be among my choices.
Be careful it’s not Orthodox lol
That’s good! I don’t do well with Orthodoxy. 🙂
Comment to Po – Wiki is where they say descending order, I know nothing about it but I know enough not to insult your Holy Book This is the link –
http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Chronological_Order_of_the_Qur%27an
Happypappies, I retrieved your comment at 12:54.
Thank you
Aridog:
I would only add that if one wishes to understand the idiocy of the Vietnam War, one need only read Bernard Fall’s “Hell In A Very Small Place.”
Paul
I have been saying to you for a while how dangerous it is to speak authoritatively on subjects one knows insufficiently about. You and Karen speak as authorities on Islam, and keep spouting these falsities that prove your ignorance of the subject. I have heard this before, but THE QURAN IS NOT ARRANGED IN DESCENDING ORDER OF LENGTH. Anyone who says so hasn’t read it, and had you opened it and read it, you would know that as it is quite obvious.
And, even if it were the case, do you really think that the whole concept of the quran can be framed solely based on the order of the suras? If you don’t know what the suras say in depth, how can you speak on the wisdom of the order? And yes, there is wisdom in it, and any enlightened muslim can easily guide you in it, as the resources covering it are readily available.
po – you use the word dangerous which I find odd in a discussion that could be polite. You could say I was wrong or something to that effect, but personally, I find your use of the word ‘dangerous’ to be threatening.’ I would appreciate it if you found a new word.
po, for all I know you are some kid posting from his basement. I do not know how authoritative you are. In earlier conversations you have admitted you were not learned in the Quran, but were studying it. I will accept that is true.
It is my understanding, correct me if I am wrong, that except for the first sura, the suras are in descending order of length, with the last one being the shortest. Am I correct?
Great comment, Aridog. Please keep them coming.
Thanks for the invite, Aridog. i always welcome an offer to break bread and discuss things, anything, for I believe it to be a source of understanding and wisdom. Unfortunately I am nowhere near Michigan, but if I ever am, will remember to take you up on the offer.
Paul, what do you mean they are not in context to begin with? The whole quran, the surahs, the ayas? In context with what? Those times?
If that is your point, then it may reaffirm your ignorance of that of which you claim knowledge in.
Considering that the quran is sent for all of humanity, until the end of times, it MUST be relevant to all of humanity, until the end of times. Those of us who practice it and peer into its pages can guarantee you that it sure is in context with our times and lives, as it was for those who came before us.
Are yous saying that the US constitution is not in context?
“how soon we forget the Ottoman Empire or the empires of Mohammed and his followers.”
I am not sure what is your exact point here. Is it that Mohamed and his followers were bloodthirsty and violent?
po – the verses in the Quran are in descending order of length, hence out of context. The rest of your comment is dicta.
This thread has been fascinating. As I said earlier here, in a “test” post, I would love to be able to comment in response to both “po@minutebol, “happypappies,” and “Karen S” (who some here just don’t “get” … but she’s said very similar things to “po@minutebol”)….all of whom have posted cogent remarks, especially “po@minutebol” … whom I’d love to meet if he/she lives anywhere near Dearborn, Michigan. Your views are not far off my own and I live in a 90%+ Muslim community neighborhood. If you do live nearby in or near Dearborn, Al Ajami’s restaurant would be my choice of meeting location, or El Ameer…both great food, but a non-intrusive atmosphere is best at Al Ajami’s. My email is in my profile, so if you are interested, make contact that way. No big deal either way.
In trying to review portions of this thread, unfortunately, I have again been cited for a denial of service vis a vis a proxy server, which I do NOT have…e.g., I haven’t yet cured the issue with Turley/Wordpress. I am going to ask a good friend in Israel, who uses WordPress successfully (not one glitch to date over several years) what it might be that I am doing wrong.
If this post makes it I will try to respond to “po@minutebol” …forget those who might notice my usual opinions are not the same as his/hers. For one, I do not know more than one Muslim locally who would invite Sharia Law here, and I’m not certain he means what he sounds like…we’re working on it and we’ve had cordial conversations recently. It is important because his kin are lovely people and he’s new here (from Yemen) and I’m delighted he is now willing to interact. One day at a time it gets better by half….a far better resolution than the killing and war I’ve known in my past against different enemies. We won battles but not the confidence of the ordinary people. You want a Hollywood movie that really doesn’t fabricate much, try “Good Morning, Vietnam” with Robin Williams (RIP) …totally about REMF’s but accurate beyond anything those producers could have realized.
If you can simply absorb that movie and the book and movie named “We were Soldiers Once” (and young) about the Ia Drang with at the time LTC Hal Moore (later LTG Moore), plus perhaps “Street Without Joy” by Bernard Fall, you will have a grasp of how misunderstanding can make enemies of those who’d other wise be allies. Hint: In WWII the Viet Minh were our allies.
If this makes it, without some further attack extraneously, I will try to respond to those I think have been forthright on this thread…none the usual suspects I’d be expected to have favorable opinion of (forget those who’d try to derail it all). Let’s see what happens?
Couldn’t agree with you any more, Hap!
I have friends, Christians, who practice their faith, their goodwill by caring for people all over the globe, and they are an inspiration to me, and as I tell the people at my mosque that we should be similarly moved to get out of our shells and seek out the larger community, to be useful to others and not only witness them but support them, otherwise we are failing our faith.
This past Christmas, I called one of those Christian friends asked what was his plan for celebration, knowing him well enough to know that he was likely to be serving food at a homeless shelter, and offered my services. I felt it to be the best way of celebrating the birth of Jesus, Peace be upon him.
Ultimately.
The source is the same, therefore the creation is the same, and so to care for the creature is to show love for the creator.
Cool. We have a soup kitchen with our Islamic Center in Town at certain times of the Year and I have Facebook friends in Pakistan that I have learned a great deal from. Thanks for the great discussion. Good night.
Glad to be of service, Darren.
Annie, good point, worth remembering for sure.
HappyP, thanks for the support here, been trying to show for a while that Iran was a democratic country until we, the West, intervened (as we did in the Congo and established a dictator over 30 years), forced upon them someone they did not choose, causing the revolution that made Iran turn into its shell.
To then turn around and demonize them as if it all happened in a vacuum is disingenuous at best.
True, a lot of crazy things are happening over there, but just as many crazy things are happening here too, and everywhere else for that matter.
We have people spending 40 years in solitary confinement, and many others have been put to death for crimes they did not commit; we have kids being shot and killed by the police every damn day; discrimination and racism is well established into the system; no one can run for president unless he pretends to be a devout Christian, and our congresspeople are trying to pass laws making Christianity the law of the land, above our constitutional laws even.
The government is spying on us, the corporations too; our food kills us, our water too; the president is at war against journalists and whistle blowers, and your congresspeople are bought and tagged. One trip to the ER will bankrupt you, and your bank will repossess the house you have been paying for. They will get help from the government and you be will left in the gutter.
Our educational system is crap, our populace ignorant and prone to irrationality, we are building 22 prisons for every university, are engaged in a war against drugs that ensures that young men linger their lives in prison for ounces of pot, we are droning people all across the globe, flattening civilians and making sure we are even more hated daily; we torture people and deny them the rights we claim to export; our generals and our warmasters take us on Christian jihads, for we are the good guys and they are the unbelievers…
There are a lot of bad guys over there, but there sure ain’t many good ones here. And every single thing we now denounce around the world, is the result of something we did in another time, including bringing Isl into existence by invading Iraq. Now bombing Syria will bring up more mayhem down the line, and we’ll blame everyone but our selves for ISl 2.0 and ISL 3.0.
The best thing you can do is not to worry about shariah law, trust me, Muslims themselves would not let themselves be governed by it, no matter what the fearmongers tell you.
Rather, worry about what is happening around you, be involved, demand justice here and there, reach out to others rather than fear them, read, turn off the tv (especially Fox, MSNBC and Cnn); watch democracy now daily, make your leaders be accountable.
There is a growing movement of people here and there demanding just that, justice and an end to violence, but they are undermined by the passive and the fearful. All humans are the same everywhere, and all political systems are the same everywhere, once you understand that, you know that no one is fundamentally good or bad and the demonization stops.
po@minutebol – how refreshing – What is it with Syria anyway? Why on earth the Alawites? I am one of those annoying Progressive Christians that Paul Schulte Complains about. See, we try to practice what Jesus was preaching which is to understand that all people are human and to set an example of what you would have them treat you like and because I am a Christian, I do believe in the power of prayer and I pray for these people. All over the world. a few weeks ago someone posted an article here about Loving your enemies and it was about a Heart Clinic in Iraq? http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2014/08/05/learning-to-love-the-enemy-in-iraq/ – excerpt from article “When a top Sunni cleric issued a fatwa calling for our death because we sent children to Israel for surgery, our lives turned upside down.
It was Sheikh Ali who defended us against his friend, arguing that if we had saved just one life, as the Quran said, it was as if we had saved the whole of humanity.
He may have saved our lives with that move, but he fell out with the cleric after sending us a baby girl from his own mosque who needed surgery.
Demand for our work at Preemptive Love Coalition rose as international news reported on Iraq’s shocking birth-defect crisis. We stopped sending children abroad and partnered with the Iraqi government to train Iraqis in their own hospitals.
Heart surgery is full of meaning in every culture, but especially in Iraq, where fathers find themselves begging anyone who will listen to donate blood while their child lies vulnerable in the operating room.
Once enemies have each other’s blood coursing through their veins, or your nemesis is holding your child’s heart in his hands, it is impossible to hate without condemning oneself, as well.”
It’s a start you know?
happypappies – I do not complain about Progressive Christians I think they are an oxymoron, like fairies, they do not exist.
Paul, please do not undo all of my Progressive Presbyterian Christian USA work I did yesterday. You are the one who said consider the source – you have not yet got back with me on the glorious causes of the United States- a speech given by Henry A. Wise in Richmond on June 1, 1861 – I rejoice in this war. Who is there that now dares to put on sanctity to depreciate war, or the “horrid glories of war.” None. Why? Because it is a war of purification. You want war, fire, blood, to purify you; and the Lord of Hosts has demanded that you should walk through fire and blood. You are called to the fiery baptism, and I call upon you to come up to the altar. Though your pathway be through fire, or through a river of blood, turn not aside. Be in no hurry—no hurry and flurry.
Now, that’s real down right Christian I say I say I say
happypappies – one man does not stand for all men. One woman does not stand for all women. No man or woman speaks for me except me.
One man does not stand…..Progressive Christians are like fairies they don’t exist ……. tit for tat Paul you know. You say I don’t exist then don’t expect me not to speak for you …… lol ….. consider the source
@ Paul – anyone who speaks like this – I felt it to be the best way of celebrating the birth of Jesus, Peace be upon him.
Ultimately.
The source is the same, therefore the creation is the same, and so to care for the creature is to show love for the creator.
Is probably not in their basement building bombs you know and imo it is evil to stir it up – evil being the opposite of live you know?
Progressive and all you know?
happypappies – assuming a historical Jesus, do you see him as a religious rebel, a reformer, what?
Paul I am not going to fall into the trap. I am Objective. I solved this paradox a long time ago. I see “him” everywhere. I see his teachings in the Gospels of the Bible. I see people after him trying to emulate him and help others by doing so. Mostly I “see” him teaching people how to live together in some kind of harmony on the Sermon on the Mount. There are 4 versions of it. I am studying one of them now in the Book of Matthew. http://christianity.stackexchange.com/questions/3526/is-levi-from-luke-527-and-mark-214-referring-to-the-apostle-matthew
I mentioned in my profile here that I want to change the world. Well, so did Jesus. He used the Old Testament strictly in all of his teachings but was the FIRST to say “Love your Enemies”
So, I suppose that puts him in the reformer camp.
Happypappies, I retrieved your comment at 1:49.
happypappies – he also drove the moneychangers from the temple. Does that not put him in the rebel camp?
Paul – happypappies – he also drove the moneychangers from the temple. Does that not put him in the rebel camp?
No, I don’t think so. I think that makes him a man. He was angry you see because they were cheating those by not accepting their money because it was not temple money. It was a purification and it was scriptural. It goes wayyyy back into the Old Testament if you care to read said commentary
http://biblehub.com/matthew/21-12.htm
Nothing Jesus did made him a Rebel. He made the ultimate sacrifice. Luke 22:42 NKJV
New King James Version
saying, “Father, if it is Your will, take this cup away from Me; nevertheless not My will, but Yours, be done.”
Paul, did you get my comment on the Jesus thing? I left you a long one but the jist of it was I felt he was more of a Reformer because he was the only one who emboldened us to “Love our Enemies”
I think it eats a lot of my comments. Does it do that when it tells you that you have one that is pending do you want to delete it when you haven’t done anything?
po – how soon we forget the Ottoman Empire or the empires of Mohammed and his followers.
Happy to oblige, HappyP.
Welcome. I just can’t stand this endtimes stuff. People flocking to Christian Churches because of a series of books called “Left Behind” starring Kirk Cameron first and now Nicholas Cage. They are all exited about it. Bad bad Muslims. Bad Iranians good Israelites. Goooood Netanyahu. Good Boy Good Americans!!!!!
Po, I wouldn’t hold my breath if I were you, if you expect Karen not to quote out of context. It’s difficult enough to get Karen to correctly quote a commenter just minutes after making the comment. The agenda seems to override the need to accuratly quote every single time in my experience with Karen.
Thank you for your perspectives Po.
Happyappies, the key word sure to bring out Karen S is islam. You won’t change her mind, don’t waste your time (wow, almost rhymed!)
JT, one minute you make the distinction that most Muslims neither participate in nor approve of these cases of extremism in religion, whether individually or judicially, and the next you say this: “These atrocities will continue until the Muslim world embraces the concept of separation of mosque and state and rejects such crimes as apostasy.”
!- Who is the Muslim world? The total of the 2 billions Muslims across the globe? Iranians? This judge?
Iran practice shia’ism, which is the other subgroup of Islam, and sunnis would behead you (no, no just joking, really Karen, just joking) if they heard you link the two.
2- Most Muslims live under systems that have separated mosque and state, and most Muslims have no wish to change that. I know lots of Muslims, being one, and I have yet to hear one advocate for the establishment of shariah law anywhere.
Why would they advocate for a system that is is as corrupt as those empowered to establish it, apply it?
Which country has the fastest growing rate of atheism? Saudi Arabia, the heart of Wahabism, the virulent, extremist strain of fundamentalism that gave us 911 and ISL. Why would that be the case if most Saudis approved of their shariah law?
3- Most Muslims care little about other people’s faith/apostasy. The quran is the ultimate arbiter, and it says that one has the right to choose their faith. Allah demanded that Prophet Muhamad be gentle towards those, Christian and Jews, and polytheists he would be engaged in debate, and meet any sufi and you’d meet one who believes that Christianity and Judaism are precursors of Islam, therefore divine and therefore deserving of every bit of respect.
4- Again, Karen, please stop quoting out of context and quoting sources that are obviously islamophobic. It is akin to quoting Hamas while discussing Israel.
You do also understand that Shafi’i school is just that,a school of thought, of jurisprudence that courses the Quran and the sunna and derives rules based on the precedents AND the understanding and conclusion of the scholar who informed the school?
You do also understand that once there were dozens of such schools, down to the main 4 existing ones?
And that most of them do not agree about many rules?
And that the Prophet Muhamad and his khalife Umar both refused to apply the rule of cutting hands to people who stole, for the reason they stole was hunger? And that the former refused to take a person’s confession of adultery so he would not apply the punishment? And that the punishment, as expressed in the Quran, is lashing, not stoning?
And that the only instance of stoning traced to the Prophet was when Jews asked him to render justice (yes, they did, all the time, for even before the prophethood, he was known as al amin, the juste), and he rendered justice according to their rules, which included stoning, after he asked them which rule was he supposed to use to render justice?
5- Again, there is not one shariah law, there are shariah laws. Two shariah courts in the same community might not agree on the rule to implement, it is all based on the scholar(s) and his interpretation and also his temperament.
po – nice of you to drop by again. Just a point of order here. It is hard to take something from the koran out of context because they are not in context to begin with.
Happypappies is on a roll today! 😀
Annie, I truly just saw this. thank you. lol