Obama Administration Accused of Leaking Stories To Prepare For The Rejection Of Criminal Charges Against Officer In Ferguson Shooting

1408390089660_Image_galleryImage_Officer_DARREN_WILSON_pic1408392017717_Image_galleryImage_Piaget_Crenshaw_who_livesA former Missouri police chief is publicly saying that the Justice Department is actively leaking reports that it has found insufficient evidence to support federal charges against Ferguson police officer Darren Wilson. There is certainly a long and controversial history of the Justice Department leaking stories to the media to pressure targets or to prepare the public in otherwise secret or confidential investigations. While threatening witnesses and others over any disclosures, the Justice Department does not hesitate to make such leaks for political purposes. The question is whether the recent uptick in leaks is such a campaign. There has been an increase in such stories coming from unnamed Justice sources and former St. Louis County Police Chief Tim Fitch says that the evidence has supported the officer on a number of points, including a struggle within the cruiser.

Fitch says that the Administration is seeking to “coordinate leaks to the media, and to start getting some of the facts out there to kind of let people down slowly” because they have concluded that charges are “probably very unlikely.”

While he is not required to appear before the grand jury and the vast majority of targets do not appear on advice of counsel, Wilson appeared for hours. The New York Times reports that he gave an account of a struggle inside of the car and a sharply different account from the statement of Michael Brown’s friend, including an autopsy that says that Brown was shot at close range consistent with the officer’s account. The Times reports that forensics tests showed Mr. Brown’s blood on the gun, as well as on the interior door panel and on Officer Wilson’s uniform. Wilson also reportedly has photos of injuries to his face and neck following the struggle.

There are many who believe that the Obama Administration is signaling that no charges will come from the investigation — with many preparing for the possible unrest and violence that may follow such an announcement.

Source: CBS

162 thoughts on “Obama Administration Accused of Leaking Stories To Prepare For The Rejection Of Criminal Charges Against Officer In Ferguson Shooting

  1. Not a surprise at all. DOJ is absolutely criminal when it comes to leaking instigation or grand jury results when it suits them. How many lives have they destroyed when there was no evidence to convict? Or as in this case, leaked results to boost their PR machine?

    What are the chances there will be a leak investigation?

  2. There’s a BIG leak in the St. Louis Post Dispatch today. The comments I read are mostly people who support Wilson.

  3. Report: Autopsy shows Michael Brown was shot in hand at close range
    By Holly Yan, CNN

    But Cevallos said the details about Brown’s blood on the officer’s gun and on his uniform might only go so far in helping the officer’s case.

    “Ultimately, that officer will have to come up with justification not for firing his gun the first time, but for each and every bullet that came out of his firearm — whether at the car or away from the car,” he said.

  4. Forensic evidence is not about spin, feelings, fairness. Having dealt w/ all types of evidence, it is the most logical, the most impartial, the most color blind. That video in the convenience store told me a lot about the man this officer was dealing w/ just minutes later. LOTS of testosterone.

  5. The Ferguson prosecutor is fabricating a “no true bill” so I do not see a problem with conditioning the public for that outcome.

    Leaks really aren’t needed.

  6. Ferguson and much of St. Louis will see a slow but certain exodus over the next 10 years.

    Now that rioters are harassing sports fans, the rumors that the Rams might move to Los Angeles become more significant.

    Why stay? So that angry looters can wreck your business, your college, your sports stadium?

    Now that rioters have sought out college campuses, who would send their kid to Washington University or University of Missouri–St. Louis?

    Another Obama ant-iMidas touch!

  7. http://www.ksdk.com/story/news/local/2014/10/21/michael-brown-shooting-new-york-times-leaks/17649393/ “Former St. Louis County Police Chief Tim Fitch believes more information will be leaked out to the media by a government source. Fitch says this strategy has been used before, “Assuming that the article is correct my belief is that there will be future articles written as probably from the same federal source that will let out a little information each time as it gets closer to the actual announcement of the verdict or charges or no charges.”

    Fitch believes the leaked information is an attempt to let some people down slowly, “It was an intentional release with someone familiar with the federal side of the investigation, in my opinion, for the sole purpose of preparing the community for what may be seen for many as bad news, that there’s not going to be any federal charges.”

    The New York Times article states Darren Wilson told investigators he feared for his life as he struggled over his gun with Brown according to government officials. It also states there was blood on the gun.

    Fitch says the release of information is the second phase of trying to calm people down in case there are no federal charges against Wilson. Fitch says the first phase was announcing the Justice department would review the Ferguson Police Department. Fitch described it as a consolation prize, “It’s basically, we can’t charge him criminally but we can oversee the Ferguson police department and investigate their patterns and practices and how they dealt with the community and then come forward with a series of a recommendation for changes.”

    Fitch was the St. Louis County police chief for five years. He retired in February. He has served in law enforcement in St. Louis County for more than 30 years.” Fitch said he believes that the leak of information is a good idea. He said the information needs to come out slowly to calm people down.

  8. Pogo, St. Louis has been a pressure cooker for a long time. It’s neighbor across I-70, KC, has virtually the same demographic but is much less incendiary. I don’t know why.

  9. The leak began with the propagandists in the Ferguson police department.

    It is filled with wannabe fascists bequeathed with pentagon leaked weapons of mass destruction.

  10. Next the Administration will claim there are half a dozen unmonitored Ebola exposures somewhere in Ferguson that they desperately need to find, along with faux health workers going door to door. That should effectively keep the streets clear and have outside protesters avoiding the place… Well, like the Plague.

    Wouldn’t put it past those not so brilliant political thinkers in DC.

  11. It’s a known pattern of this WH and its political operative appointees in the DOJ and all other departments. What do you think all the leaks on impending immigration policy moves planned for “after” the election are about? They are trying to have it both ways: let their base no it will happen if they vote for them at the same time not inflame opposition to come out and vote them out by declaring it. Cynical and sad for America.

  12. My daughter went to Mizzou, and St. Louis seemed unsafe when we visited it. My friend works in KC and the vibe was indeed completely different.

    KC, MO:
    Black alone – 139,193 (30.0%)
    White alone – 252,602 (54.4%)

    St. Louis, MO:
    Black alone – 151,755 (47.7%)
    White alone – 135,953 (42.7%)

    Ferguson, MO
    Black alone – 13,753 (64.9%)
    White alone – 6,494 (30.6%)

    East St. Louis, IL:
    Black alone – 26,179 (96.5%)
    White alone – 423 (1.6%)

  13. If the Obama Administration knows that the grand jury is unlikely to charge Wilson, then I might be critical of the grand jury, but I don’t blame the administration for trying to get ahead of the story and prevent huge riots. In fact, I’d congratulate the administration for being proactive.

  14. Pogo, I didn’t know of your Mizzura connection. Thanks for the demographics. I got to know folks in the juvenile court and DA’s office in the 70’s and 80’s, meeting them @ conferences. They seemed to have more racial problems back then. Those problems only get worse. Thanks for the demographic info. My bride got her Masters in psychology form UMKC.

  15. “In fact, I’d congratulate the administration for being proactive.

    But the administration helped spread the flames in the first place.
    Hardly commendable when they could have asked cooler heads to prevail and let the justice system work, from the start.

    Obama said: “Of course, it’s important to remember how this started. We lost a young man, Michael Brown, in heartbreaking and tragic circumstances. He was 18 years old, and his family will never hold Michael in their arms again. And when something like this happens, the local authorities, including the police, have a responsibility to be open and transparent about how they are investigating that death and how they are protecting the people in their communities. There is never an excuse for violence against police or for those who would use this tragedy as a cover for vandalism or looting. There’s also no excuse for police to use excessive force against peaceful protests or to throw protesters in jail for lawfully exercising their First Amendment rights.

    Typical community organizer inflammatory rhetoric, when he should have been calming things down.

  16. “We lost a young man, Michael Brown, in heartbreaking and tragic circumstances. He was 18 years old, and his family will never hold Michael in their arms again.” pogo That remains true no matter what the outcome is.

  17. SWM, it’s not tragic if he’s a robber and cop assaulter who gets shot trying to kill someone.

    Heartbreaking? Maybe to his mother.
    Why say it?
    Especially, why say it and not mention the “heartbreaking and tragic” effect on the cop’s family?

  18. On some level, all deaths are “heartbreaking and tragic”, at least to someone.
    So what?
    Why did the President need to say it?

    Fact is, Obama could have calmed the waters.
    By choosing the words “heartbreaking and tragic”, Obama is suggesting the killing was unjust or unwarranted.

    He inflamed the rioters and signalled the outside agitators to come in to cause even more riots.

  19. Multiple witnesses say the officer grabbed mike brown by the throat with one hand, and held him up against the outside of the suv, and through the window. If one of the bullets hit mike as the evidence suggests, then of course there is going to be blood on the inside of the vehicle, and the officers uniform. How could there not be. I am still on the fence about which version is truth. One thing is certain, I have been around law enforcement long enough to know they are meticulous about documenting any use of force injuries right there on scene. Even the smallest scratch is photographed, and reports written. mike browns body was left in the street for nearly four hours while the ferguson police did their investigation. I want to see all the pictures they took of officer wilson at the scene of this incident. Not the pictures they took hours later, or the next day, or day after. The ones they would, or should have taken right then, and there.

  20. ‘He’s just a thug, his life didn’t matter, why should anyone consider it tragic?’

    Same bigotry in evidence here as in the homosexual bashing thread.

  21. JH; “Multiple witnesses say the officer grabbed mike brown by the throat with one hand, and held him up against the outside of the suv, and through the window.”

    JH, You are either purposely misrepresenting the alleged witness statements, or you are woefully ignorant.

    Only one witness said that Wilson grabbed Brown by the throat. That witness was Brown’s accomplice at the strong-arm robbery, Dorian Johnson. The evidence and history demonstrate that Dorian is a habitual liar.

  22. “Same bigotry in evidence here as in the homosexual bashing thread.”

    I don’t think “bigot” means what you think it means. When you only have a hammer, everything looks like a nail.:)

  23. Oh, look, my repeated pleas for everyone to calm down and wait for an investigation before they called for this cop’s murder made perfect sense.

    Is his life still ruined?

    I have no problem with coordinated leaks to calm an obviously biased and enraged public down. But the “one way for thee, another for me” attitude of government is wrong.

    That cop who was vilified after that actress made a false accusation of racism against him leaked the audio of their conversation. It proved she was a liar. And yet, he is in serious trouble for the leak. His commanding officer should have cleared this up immediately. He had the evidence that day. But he didn’t. And the freight train of public opinion was steam rolling the cop, as per usual, without a shred of evidence. Calling for him to be fired, etc. The leak saved his reputation but may have still lost him his job.

  24. “‘He’s just a thug, his life didn’t matter, why should anyone consider it tragic?’

    If that’s what you think, shame on you.

    If you’re suggesting that’s what I said, shame on you.

  25. I mean, yeah, irrelevant agitators had their 15 minutes of fame by riling up mobs across America, calling for this cop’s murder. Hey, someone who didn’t get the memo still might kill him. And, yeah, he’ll be wrongfully vilified and a pariah in his community, his family’s life is totally ruined, but, heh, he’s not DEAD (yet), so what’s the problem?

    THIS is what I’m talking about when people make a mess of things and then walk away whistling, failing to acknowledge the consequences of their actions.

    THIS is why I wish that everyone would have the attitude of let’s watch this investigation very closely, make sure it’s done fairly, and we will discuss the results and come to a rational conclusion. If wrongdoing is uncovered, then we will have justice, not a mob lynching. If the shooting was justified, what can we learn from it to avoid similar situations? If this “gentle giant” went down the wrong path, what can we learn to save teenagers who are making bad choices?

    There are a lot of moms out there with hearts broken into a million tiny pieces, visiting their sons in jail, prospects ruined, or identifying them in the morgue, killed by gang violence, drugs, etc. Perhaps a culture that vilifies all cops encourages teens to have gladiator moments with them. Perhaps glorifying money over valor encourages the thug mentality. What can we take away from this to teach our kids so they can maximize their potential in life, rather than be yet another statistic?

  26. We need to start recognizing the contributions of low information white folks so that they no longer need racism to feel good about themselves.

  27. Annie, back to her usual misrepresentation, lacking the ability to respond substantively to my query, which was clear:

    Why did Obama say those words at that time, when it could only inflame an already angry crowd?

    Because it would inflame an already angry crowd.

  28. In part various politicians jumped on the bandwagon of those who were convinced and made numerous public statements insisting this incident was racial in nature and that the officer should be imprisoned before they even considered the totality of the investigation.

    There is a lot of face that is going to be lost by some because they invested much in a particular outcome and if the grand jury does not issue a true bill they might either hope the matter goes quietly away or their next step will be to declare there has been a miscarriage of justice by a corrupt system. The latter argument is going to be difficult to make convincing when the Justice Department provided a large investigative team and the evidence might not be sufficient to indict.

  29. I wish that everyone would have the attitude of let’s watch this investigation very closely, make sure it’s done fairly, and we will discuss the results and come to a rational conclusion.

    @ Karen.

    Very well said. That would be the rational thing to do.

    Instead, just like in the Trayvon Martin case, people went off without any real information and armchair quarterbacked the situation. Using their own preconceived prejudices and agendas. Nevermind waiting for an investigation. Nevermind the facts. Even now people refuse to accept the facts of the case or the decision by the jury. If it doesn’t fit into your bias….ignore it.

    Politicians and race hustlers couldn’t wait to make themselves a part of the incident for their own profit and advancement. Obama using inflammatory language to increase the tensions instead of calling for calm and encouraging people to wait until the facts are know.

    As a result, people’s lives and business are destroyed. The town of Ferguson will never recover from this. Neither will the psyche of the United State. Incidents like this are terrible for the actual participants. The blow up out of proportion to the incident just further increases the divisions between people and inflames racial tension. I believe that this is the actual goal of some people who capitalize on these events.

  30. The town of Ferguson was not in very good shape before this. Whether or not, Darren Wilson is indicted, and it looks like he won’t be, does not change the fact that the Ferguson police dept has a history of civil rights violations.

  31. SWM, that may be the case, and it is all the more reason why this case needed careful consideration, not inflammatory comments at the outset. Those comments by the President served absolutely no one, not even the family of the victim.

  32. It’s just the DOJ laying the foundation for some major last minute race baiting to turn out the black vote. This, from Salon:

    ATLANTA (AP) — Georgia Democrats are using the fatal shooting of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri, to rally black voters ahead of the Nov. 4 election, with Republicans calling the move “race-baiting.”

    A state Democratic Party mailing includes images from protests prompted by Brown’s shooting, including a photo of two young black children holding up signs saying “Don’t Shoot.” The mailer says: “If you want to prevent another Ferguson in their future … VOTE,” adding “It’s up to you to make change happen.”

    Party spokesman Michael Smith said Wednesday that democracy is stronger when more people vote. “And we have seen what happens in places like Ferguson, Missouri, when voices are silenced,” Smith said in a statement. “We must make sure to exercise our right to vote.”


    Yes, the Democrats are doing Lester Maddox and George Wallace proud!

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  33. Jack. You’ve harped on one sentence while completely ignoring the other 90% of the post that does not fit with your preconceived notions. Congratulations! You have the makings of a fine politician. The point is.. Everybody… and I do mean everybody. Knows there was some altercation at the vehicle. This is not news.. this is not any sort of game changing evidence. So a bullet was fired at close range. Blood was found in the SUV, on the officers clothes, and on the gun. What.. other than what is already known, does this conclusively prove? Not a damn thing.. It is still very much open to interpretation one way or the other. If someone is sitting in a vehicle. Grabs someone outside the vehicle with one hand, and has a gun in the other. The person outside the vehicle is going to struggle to get free.. turn the weapon away from their direction, and/or take the weapon, and remove the threat. What is telling.. At least to me.. The ferguson PD has not released any photo’s or reports of the supposed injuries Wilson received . They say He had serious swelling on his face. They say. He had cuts, and bruises.. Where are the pictures!? Look at Mike Ramos in the Kelly Thomas incident. He had an abrasion on his elbow. There are pictures of it. Written reports of it.. Taken on scene.. not taken at the hospital.. Not taken the next day.. or days later to get in line with his narrative.. On scene, right then, and there. Or the altercation between Megan Graham, and Justin Antholt.. officer antholt had the smallest scratch on the side of his neck.. so small even in the photos you can barely see it.. but that does not matter.. They took photos, on scene, and documented it anyways.. Because they have to!, for litigation purposes. So where are the pictures of officer Darren Wilson that should have been taken on scene?! The bottom line is this.. It is easy, and not at all out of the realm of possibility for me to imagine, and officer shooting a kid.. Discovering the kid was unarmed. Realizing he just caused a major screwup. Talking with the higher up’s on how to proceed, coming up with a plausible narrative.. Heck.. maybe he even had a couple fellow offcers give him a few punches to the face just to take some pics as supposed evidence. That sure beats a possible prison sentence. All the while banking that no one would care, or be smart enough to understand the significance of those pictures being taken a day or so later. So again.. I want to see the evidence pictures that were taken at the scene, and on that day, and until I do so.. Anything I hear out of the ferguson PD is just propaganda, spin, and hyperbole.

  34. JH,

    I pointed out that you were wrong. Don’t like that? The answer is to post accurate information.

    Maybe pictures were not taken at the scene due to the volatile crowd that had formed. Maybe it was determined that it would be best to take the pictures of Wilson back at the station, or at the hospital prior to him being cleaned up.

    I don’t know. None of us do. The volatility of the scene would have surely been a determining factor, as would the extent of the injuries.

    They may have taken pictures of Wilson at the scene. I don’t know, but there are a number of good reasons to wait until the officer was not on the scene.

    Why do you refer to Mike Brown as a “kid”?

  35. Why do you refer to Mike Brown as a “kid”?

    Age 18. Since “children” can be on their parent’s health insurance until age 25 and they are classified as children and treated like children maybe someone 18 is still a kid. In addition the big hoo hah was about poor gentle giant Michael’s teenager status.

    On the other hand if you consider 18 the age of majority and he is no longer a child then he is an adult and lost his protection as a juvenile.

    SO which way do YOU want it to be. An adult. A grown man? Or young vulnerable teenager kid.?

    You can’t have it both ways you know.

  36. That is not why they refer to him as a “kid.” It is to manipulate the facts. I am sure the store owner he choked out ten minutes before he attacked the cop didn’t consider him a kid.

    Besides the technical term for describing criminals when you want to conceal their age and their race is “youtes.”

  37. trooperyork, “choked out” uh, is that the new definition for a push? The rather small store clerk didn’t seem to fear for his life but the much bigger cop did. It was the cop that initiated the altercation by back up and aggressively stopping so close to the young men that he slammed his door into Michael who pushed back.

  38. bettykath, Michael Brown was 1 for 2 in his confrontations that evening. Not bad in a baseball game, but fatal when you lose confronting a cop and trying to take his gun. I bet Brown’s buddy never makes that fatal mistake.

  39. Tedious, bettykath, incredibly tedious. But, I have always respected your tenacity, no matter how misdirected.

  40. BK, I have seen video of the store robbery and the forensic evidence indicates a struggle for the cops gun. What is the spin?

  41. Pogo, You should have heard her during the Zimmerman trial. Yikes! She left in a huff never to return. Now, I am glad bettykath has returned and I have told her that sincerely. She is an unabashed champion of black, right or wrong. She eat, sleeps and drinks the white privilege meme. She is all in.

  42. The youtes who beat and robbed the young girl in Crown Heights on October 2nd in that video posted above are kids who are getting their life together and will be starting college soon.

    I am sure.

    If they get caught.

    But if they are taken in for questioning it is axiomatic that the only way to support them is to burn down a Quickie Mart and a liquor store.

  43. trpperyork – at Michael Brown’s age he can vote, sign contracts and enlist in the military. I would say he was an adult thug based on his recorded behavior with the store owner. He is also automatically tried as an adult.

  44. bettykath – you were there so you know exactly what happened to Michael Brown, or are you relying on inconsistent eye-witness accounts?

  45. White privilege??? How about black privilege??? To wit, an Irish Poem!

    Hue and Cry???
    An Irish Poem by Squeeky Fromm

    Black Privilege has it own perks,
    Like looting and acting like jerks!
    And if someone shoots you,
    It’s because of your hue!
    I guess reverse racism works!

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  46. ‘White privilege’ simply means you get to be blamed for everything bad that ever happens or has happened.

    Feel-good racism for lefties.

    See, they’re not against tyranny per se, they just want to run the trials.

  47. The youtes who perpetrated the above taped removal of this young girls personal possessions shouted racial epithets about “White B-words” moving into the neighborhood.

    This is course not classified as a hate crime.

    That is of course another important manifestation of white privilege.

  48. Lets not forget the fact the guy was killed 40 some feet FROM the cruiser. What happened in the cruiser is irrelevant.

  49. Brown was probably murdered and yeah they will cover it. But people who talk about white privilege make me want to puke, all over them. Shut up and put on your big boy/girl pants already

  50. No thanks, bettykath.
    I don’t watch propaganda.
    You generate it.

    Cool. Now we have descended to the “I’m rubber. You’re glue” level of discourse. I’ve missed Pee Wee Herman.:-)

  51. WordMess ate a comment of mine.

    I quoted Michael Mark Cohen, a professor.

    I asterisked out his unhallowed speech not considered proper here.

    Nevertheless, WordMess did its thing.

    What next, banning Shakespeare?

  52. Dust Bunny Queen

    No thanks, bettykath.
    I don’t watch propaganda.
    You generate it.

    Cool. Now we have descended to the “I’m rubber. You’re glue” level of discourse. I’ve missed Pee Wee Herman.:-)
    Hey we wee speak for yourself (Wee The People).

  53. Typical liberal discourse, i.e., name-calling, shouting, baiting.
    Who needs ’em!

    We gots all sorts of -isms, racism, sexism
    and phobias, we gots that too. Homophobes, you know, and all that.
    Oh, ‘haters, that one’s always useful.

  54. Pogo Hears a Who

    Typical liberal discourse, i.e., name-calling, shouting, baiting.
    Who needs ‘em!

    We gots all sorts of -isms, racism, sexism
    and phobias, we gots that too. Homophobes, you know, and all that.
    Oh, ‘haters, that one’s always useful.
    So, the only fear you got is being found out?

  55. IMO, The only newscaster worth a damn on cable is Jake Tapper on CNN. I have Dish Network. Instead of seeing Jake I see the dull/normal Alex Wagner!! Dish and CNN are having a pissing match and so Dish cancelled CNN. They have MSNBC in that slot, along w/ its regular slot. I’m sure it’s to piss people off because who TF wants to watch Alex Wagner, spit mouth Chis Mathews, the Incredible Shrinking Al Sharpton and the rest of that horrid lineup?? The answer is only those suffering traumatic brain injury and Communists. Dish better settle this soon because there are other options. See, there is no freedom w/o choice.

  56. Here a group of “youtes” in the same Crown Heights neighborhood decide to do a little shopping three weeks ago.

    Crown Heights is where the riots occurred that led to the rise of the Reverend AL Sharpton and the demise of Mayor David Dinkins. It has been relatively peaceful under the pro-active community policing of the Giuliani and Bloomberg administrations.

    That of course has come to an end.

    It is De Blasio time.

  57. Annie

    Precisely Dredd, we hear the ‘isms’ directed at us on a daily basis. ‘Liberal-ism is the Devil!’
    The evolution from left to right has sucked up the ideology of the nurturing parent model and is become the strict father ideology.

    The Big Brother ideology.

    (The Nation As Family, PDF). Pogo has met the enemy but can not handle the truth, so the denial led to us vs them.

    The liberal Pogo met the enemy and realised it was us and urged his fellows to work it out together.

    This is history we won’t see again as we decline.

  58. trooper, Time to get outta Brooklyn and move to Jersey. And, I see Jihadist are killing Canadians. I’m saying Canadians!!! Who can be mad @ Canadians?/ Well, French Canucks of course, but this was Ottawa.

  59. Do you know almost 80% of Americans cannot name the capital of Canada. Well, they can now. So, I guess that’s a positive. Jihadists can educate better than union teachers.

  60. Precisely Dredd, we hear the ‘isms’ directed at us on a daily basis. ‘Liberal-ism is the Devil!’” Hmmm. That makes me think of an Irish Poem!

    Ism You Is, Or Ism You A’int???
    An Irish Poem by Squeeky Fromm

    I guess it must sure be the sh*ts
    When Conservatives keep making hits.
    But it’s on the level,
    The Left’s of the Devil!
    No acquittal if the ism fits!

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  61. Pogo Hears a Who

    Dredd, your word salad is incomprehensible.
    I’ll take everything you wrote as a compliment.

    Or else as a recipe for a three bean burrito.
    Hard to tell.
    You have free will.

    “Draw your neck out of your collar.” – Shakespeare (Romeo and Juliet)

  62. There are lies, damned lies, and right-wing zombie lies. What’s a right-wing zombie lie? It’s an untruth that — no matter how many times it is debunked, no matter how many times it is killed — keeps coming out of the mouths of right-wingers. Most of the rank-and-file conservatives with whom we might interact get their information from conservative media sources. They live inside a right-wing information bubble. Republican politicians are ensconced within it as well. Inside the walls of that closed environment, facts that do not jibe with conservative ideology or the conservative interpretation of events are twisted, turned on their head, or simply ignored. The lies live on.” (HP link, supra)

  63. Squeely, Knickers, Poko, and PC the S, there is a job opening for a War on Whites research technician.

    When you finish the birther project, go on over and rap them up.

    It seems that the two techies who were doing it have resigned to run for persidunt.

  64. Pogo, if the Rams come back to LA I would be joyous! People who don’t work don’t appreciate how these riots hurt people who do work. I read things about Ferguson businesses moving out.

    As to the shooting, was there any doubt charges were not there? Riots don’t change law. I recommend the Grand Jury make it’s announcement November fifth, when media will be elsewhere.

    Officer Wilson’s life is my concern. I hope he leaves Missouri completely.

  65. Dredd – read the hit piece you linked. Lot of rant, little substance. I could list more mistakes Obama has made in his press conferences than Horowitz was accused of making. It is clear from the first sentence that the writer (for lack of a better term) has an agenda and this was going to be a hit piece. When you finally have something of substance link it.

  66. Cops said 35′ but the distance is considerably more. Note the google map distance in the lower left is 125 feet. The SUV was at the lower position, next to a fire hydrant. Michael Brown’s body was at the hedge at the top, 125′ from the SUV.

    google maps distance estimate 125 feet.

  67. bettykath,

    Wilson exited his vehicle and chased Brown. Then Brown turned around and came at Wilson.

    The distance between Wilson’s vehicle and Brown’s body doesn’t mean much of anything.

  68. Finally , I have some time to get here. It is amazing that the officer fired at close range. It does not surprise me that the DOJ is doing preventative damage control. It is all about appearance and propagandist have a new calling in life.

  69. Jack, “The distance between Wilson’s vehicle and Brown’s body doesn’t mean much of anything.”

    Iit means that the police chief (or the sheriff) was lying. The story was being concocted from the get-go.

  70. Big deal! The Chief got the distance wrong. Wilson’s vehicle was where it was and Brown’s body laid where he died.

    If you want a better approximation of where Wilson was in relation to Brown, look for the ejected shell casings. If shell casings are located close to Brown’s body, he sure wasn’t shot from 100 ft away.

    Where any shell casings found near Brown’s body?

  71. If officer Wilson was able to shoot at and HIT Brown from 100 feet away with just his handgun, that’s some damned fine shooting (in a technical sense). He should be a sharpshooter.

  72. I understand that Officer Wilson was told by the 911 operator to stay in his car and not follow the suspect who was no doubt innocently eating Skittles and talking to his girlfriend on the phone.

    If only these guys would stay in their cars!

    Then those Quickie Marts would not have to be burned to the ground!

  73. Pogo Hears a Who

    Dredd, I’ll have to assume there’s some content in there.

    I’ll just take it as software instructions run through Google translate in 13 different languages.
    Of course you will Poko.

    You knickerbockers are knickerbonkers ….

  74. II read some comment above about “White Privilege”. Well there is also something called “Black Privilege” and Michael Brown the 18 year old (right to vote) 300 pound fleeing felon was exercising Black Privilege when he turned off West Florissant and was walking down the middle of the street with his co felon. Yes when you run a neighborhood with your other hoods you demonstrate your power by walking down the middle of the street. When he smacked the cop in the face that was what they call Game Busters. It is part of the hoodie sport.
    What Ferguson needs to do is secede that neighborhood off and let them govern themselves. They could elect a Mayor on the Section Eight Platform. They could tax themselves to pay for the policing necessary in that crime zone. Or choose not to police themselves.

    In Missouri, a police officer who shoots a person has a defense to any charges and that defense is clearly set forth in statute. I will print the short statute in my next comment here. This statute makes Stand Your Ground laws look lame. I am not opposed to this statute but this law is why Darren Wilson will not be indicted by the Saint Louis County Grand Jury and the Saint Louis County Prosecutor is in charge of bringing the facts there, NOT some Ferguson Prosecutor as someone above stated.

    The reason that this Canfield neighborhood is so full of thugs like big adult Michael Brown is that it is filled with multi unit housing for the welfare cheats who refuse to work. I ask that all the people who criticize Ferguson, ask a real estate developer to build several of these housing projects on your town turf. How about Kennybunckport or Martha’s Vineyard? Yeah, you snide bigots out there who would not know a Section 8 project from a high rise for high fallutens out on Long Island.

  75. Missouri Revised Statutes
    Chapter 563
    Defense of Justification
    Section 563.046

    Law enforcement officer’s use of force in making an arrest.
    563.046. 1. A law enforcement officer need not retreat or desist from efforts to effect the arrest, or from efforts to prevent the escape from custody, of a person he reasonably believes to have committed an offense because of resistance or threatened resistance of the arrestee. In addition to the use of physical force authorized under other sections of this chapter, he is, subject to the provisions of subsections 2 and 3, justified in the use of such physical force as he reasonably believes is immediately necessary to effect the arrest or to prevent the escape from custody.
    2. The use of any physical force in making an arrest is not justified under this section unless the arrest is lawful or the law enforcement officer reasonably believes the arrest is lawful.
    3. A law enforcement officer in effecting an arrest or in preventing an escape from custody is justified in using deadly force only
    (1) When such is authorized under other sections of this chapter; or
    (2) When he reasonably believes that such use of deadly force is immediately necessary to effect the arrest and also reasonably believes that the person to be arrested
    (a) Has committed or attempted to commit a felony; or
    (b) Is attempting to escape by use of a deadly weapon; or
    (c) May otherwise endanger life or inflict serious physical injury unless arrested without delay.
    4. The defendant shall have the burden of injecting the issue of justification under this section.
    (L. 1977 S.B. 60)
    Effective 1-1-79

    Now, I could not put any of the above sentence in bold here. So let me repeat what is lawful use of deadly force by Darren Wilson against dead guy here:

    A law enforcement officer in effecting an arrest or in preventing an escape from custody is justified in using deadly force only
    (1) When such is authorized under other sections of this chapter; or
    (2) When he reasonably believes that such use of deadly force is immediately necessary to effect the arrest and also reasonably believes that the person to be arrested
    (a) Has committed or attempted to commit a felony; or
    (b) Is attempting to escape by use of a deadly weapon; or
    (c) May otherwise endanger life or inflict serious physical injury unless arrested without delay.

    The Grand Jurors must enter a No True Bill if they find that Darren Wilson reasonably believed that Brown had committed a felony, attempted to commit a felony, was attempting to escape by use of a deadly weapon (Wilson’s own weapon when he fought over it in the car) or that Brown may otherwise (not with Wilson’s gun) endanger life or inflict serious physical injury unless arrested without delay.

    How would you vote?

  76. Apropos of nothing. My maternal grandfather probably built many of the brick buildings in Ferguson in the 1920-30’s. He was a brick layer and had a building company. My parents met and got married in Ferguson. My paternal Grandmother owned and operated the local newspaper, also 30’s to mid 40’s. She was a printer. (feminist before it was even thought about!!!) I believe the paper was called the Town Talk. My paternal Grandfather was the town veterinarian.

    I feel very sad for what once was a beautiful vibrant town, which is now basically a Section 8 slum.

  77. There is a small motel in our area that was built in the late 1940’s. Back when they were called motor courts. Because it is older looking, small rooms, each with a carport next to them, concrete block construction…..the tourists don’t want to stay there. They have about 15 units. Really old and retro looking.

    It was sold and a woman from Germany bought it. Henrietta. So even though it is now Section 8 in a way…..it is actually pretty cool. First of all….Henrietta runs a VERY tight ship. The motor court car ports have been turned into small patios where the residents can sit, read etc. Some of them have a lot of hanging plants and seem like a nice place to relax.

    As to tight ship. She had the residents out doing yard work. Repairing the split rail fences. Painting. Planting landscaping and watering. It seems some of the people have some skills and she is using them!!! As a result, the place is neat….in a German disciplined way……and tidy. The residents toe the line and do NOT cause problems. Henrietta will not stand for it. Nein!! So far everyone seems pretty happy. Including their dogs. Which Henrietta makes sure that they are leashed when walking and has had the residents build a dog run for them.

    In a way, you can see pride of ownership. I am not a fan of Section 8, but this one seems to be working out well for the residents and the community…so far….isn’t objecting.

    Maybe we should get Henrietta to run the Section 8 system.

  78. What we have is mob justice making its way in America again. The civil rights acts were passed in order to curb mob justice. A state agent and indeed even the Governor may not try to influence a Grand Jury to indict or not indict a person. Here is my draft of a Complaint against Jay Nixon.


    DARREL WILSON, individually,



    JAY NIXON, individually and in his
    Official Capacity as Governor of the
    State of Missouri,


    JOEBLOW, individually and in his
    official capacity as press and public
    affairs aide to Governor Nixon,




    1. Plaintiff Darren Wilson is a citizen and resident of the City of Crestwood, Missouri, and the United States of America.
    2. At all times referred to herein Defendant Jay Nixon is a resident of the State of Missouri and is Governor of the State of Missouri. He is sued individually for damages for the acts set forth herein and he is sued in his official capacity as Governor of the State of Missouri for claims for declaratory relief and injunctive relief as set forth herein

    3. This action is brought pursuant to 42 U.S.C. Sections 1983, 1985 and 1988 and the, Fourth, Fifth, Sixth and Fourteenth Amendments to the United States Constitution. The Court has jurisdiction of this action under 42 U.S.C. Sections 1983 and 1985 and 28 U.S.C. Sections 1343 and 1331. Plaintiff further invokes the pendent jurisdiction of this Court to hear and decide claims arising under state law.
    4. On or about August , 2014, plaintiff was on duty as a police officer for the City of Ferguson Missouri and was located on _______ street in Ferguson at approxmately _____p.m. At such time he observed two individuals walking down the center of the street side by side in a manner and place which was dangerous for themselves and blocking or interfering with traffic. The two individuals had fled a crime scene where they had committed the assault and strong arm felony of a food store less than ten minutes prior to this and were in flight from a felony. Plaintiff was seated in his patol car, rolled his window down and address the two pesons asking them to vacate the center of the road. Whereupon Michael Brown assaulted the officer through the door of his vehical and entered the vehical and struggled for the officer’s handgun. The handgun fired in the vehical and Brown retreated but then while in the street turned and charged the plaintiff in an assault. Plaintiff fired his pistol at Brown in an attempt at self defense and as a result Brown was struck by bullets and died on the scene.
    5. The St. Louis County Prosecuting Attorney initiated an investigation into the situation and convened a Grand Jury pursuant to Missouri law, in St. Louis County.
    6. On or about the following day a series of mob scenes took place in Ferguson and other areas of the St. Louis metropolitan area and such mob scenes were exascerbated by media coverage by nations television outlets. Numerous persons were video and audio recorded on national and local television screaming for the prosecution of plaintff for murdering a black child in broad daylight and other such hysterical mob actions.
    7. On or about August , 2014, Defendant Jay Nixon appeared on national television and joined the mob action and called for and demanded the indictment and prosecution of plaintiff.
    8. Defendant Jay Nixon’s conduct was acting under color of law and as an agent of the State of Missouri and such was violative of plaintiffs civil rights and particularly his right to due process and equal protection of the law under the 14th Amendment to the United States Constitution and his right to a fair hearing before a Grand Jury to determine whether he should be indicted in violation of the Fourth, Fifth, Sixth and Fourteenth Amendments and 42 U.S.C. Section 1983 and 1985. The following provisions of Section 1985 were specifically violated and caused damage to plaintiff:
    (1) Preventing officer from performing duties

    If two or more persons in any State or Territory conspire to prevent, by force, intimidation, or threat, any person from accepting or holding any office, trust, or place of confidence under the United States, or from discharging any duties thereof; or to induce by like means any officer of the United States to leave any State, district, or place, where his duties as an officer are required to be performed, or to injure him in his person or property on account of his lawful discharge of the duties of his office, or while engaged in the lawful discharge thereof, or to injure his property so as to molest, interrupt, hinder, or impede him in the discharge of his official duties;

    (2) Obstructing justice; intimidating party, witness, or juror

    If two or more persons in any State or Territory conspire to deter, by force, intimidation, or threat, any party or witness in any court of the United States from attending such court, or from testifying to any matter pending therein, freely, fully, and truthfully, or to injure such party or witness in his person or property on account of his having so attended or testified, or to influence the verdict, presentment, or indictment of any grand or petit juror in any such court, or to injure such juror in his person or property on account of any verdict, presentment, or indictment lawfully assented to by him, or of his being or having been such juror; or if two or more persons conspire for the purpose of impeding, hindering, obstructing, or defeating, in any manner, the due course of justice in any State or Territory, with intent to deny to any citizen the equal protection of the laws, or to injure him or his property for lawfully enforcing, or attempting to enforce, the right of any person, or class of persons, to the equal protection of the laws;

    (3) Depriving persons of rights or privileges
    If two or more persons in any State or Territory conspire or go in disguise on the
    highway or on the premises of another, for the purpose of depriving, either directly or indirectly, any person or class of persons of the equal protection of the laws, or of equal privileges and immunities under the laws; or for the purpose of preventing or hindering the constituted authorities of any State or Territory from giving or securing to all persons within such State or Territory the equal protection of the laws; or if two or more persons conspire to prevent by force, intimidation, or threat, any citizen who is lawfully entitled to vote, from giving his support or advocacy in a legal manner, toward or in favor of the election of any lawfully qualified person as an elector for President or Vice President, or as a Member of Congress of the United States; or to injure any citizen in person or property on account of such support or advocacy; in any case of conspiracy set forth in this section, if one or more persons engaged therein do, or cause to be done, any act in furtherance of the object of such conspiracy, whereby another is injured in his person or property, or deprived of having and exercising any right or privilege of a citizen of the United States, the party so injured or deprived may have an action for the recovery of damages occasioned by such injury or deprivation, against any one or more of the conspirators.

    9. Defendant Nixon and Defendant Joe Blow conspired to effectuate the deprivation of plaintiff’s civil rights and right to a fair treatment and hearing by the Grand Jury and later by a Petit Jury in violation of the aforesaid statutes.
    WHEREFORE, plaintiff prays for declaratory and injunctive relief against defendants from speaking or engaging in acts to effect or intimidate the members of the Grand Jury of St. Louis County or members of any candidates for Petit Jury of St. Louis or any other county of this state in the matters concerning the death of Michael Brown.
    10. As a direct and proximate result of the malicious, brutal and outrageous conduct of Defendants as aforedescribed, plaintiff has been subjected to threats by mobs, threats of improper indictment by the Grand Jury, threat to his health and welfare.
    11. The acts of Defendants as aforedescribed were intentional, wanton, malicious, oppressive, reckless, and callously indifferent to the rights of Plaintiff, thus entitling Plaintiff to an award of punitive damages against the individually named Defendants.
    12. If Plaintiff prevails, he is entitled to an award of attorney fees pursuant to
    42 U.S.C. Section 1988.

    WHEREFORE, Plaintiff prays for judgment against Defendants Nixon and JoeBob, jointly and severally, for compensatory damages in an amount which is fair and reasonable, and for punitive damages, plus costs of this action, attorney’s fees, and such other relief as the Court deems fair and appropriate under the circumstances.

  79. Barkin Dog.

    Yes it’s clear Darren Wilson had a perfect right to execute Michael Brown to prevent him from successfully resisting arrest and subsequently committing a felony using the weapon of his 300 pound body or perhaps to prevent him returning with a rocket propelled grenade.

    Michael Brown had no right at all to expect Darren Wilson to stop firing just because he had turned around and tried to surrender. Once a policeman acquires the right to use deadly force against a suspect the suspect has no right to expect that any act of submission on his part will terminate the right to use deadly force. Mike Brown, you’re too late snigger snigger snigger, bam! bang!, bang!

  80. The Federal Government can’t run itself. When it sticks its biased nose in affaires des etats there can only be a bad outcome.

  81. Carleton: The state statute, if any one in the American Media Conglomerate would care to read it, gives the policeman broad use of force when there is a fleeing felon. I cited the statute above. I did not write it. I am saying that cops in Missouri may rely on the statute. In the Zimmerman case where Z the civilian shot Trayvon Martin as Trayvon was beating Z’s head into the concrete there was a wide discussion about “stand your ground laws”. Here, in the Ferguson case, the Media is The MOB. The Media wants to have Wilson prosecuted because the dead guy is black. They yak about him being an unarmed kid and just going about his business in a ghetto.
    I am a civil rights lawyer and I worked in the South for the little guys being lynched. I do not like a mob of any sort. Now we have a Media Mob trying to tell a Grand Jury that they must indict or the Mob will riot. And the Media will make money off of it.

  82. Forensic expert urges caution on Michael Brown autopsy analysis

    Details from an official autopsy on slain teen Michael Brown that were leaked to reporters could bolster his killer’s claim of self-defense. But just hours after the details were published, one of the experts whose analysis was central to those claims told msnbc that her analysis of the findings had been taken out of context.

  83. Carylyle:

    Do you honestly believe that if Michael Brown tried to surrender, and the cop shouted, “Too late” and executed him, that Liberal political hack Eric Holder wouldn’t have prosecuted him?

    If Eric Holder can’t find SOMETHING to charge him with, then this cop was maligned.

  84. It’s just as predicted. This case has been gone over with a fine toothed comb by every official imaginable, including partisan hacks, and yet the cop has not been charged. So the people with egg on their faces are coming up with sorry excuses for why he’s still guilty.

    Their irresponsible actions could lead to the murder of an innocent cop. Comments like those already led to riots and unrest, injuries and property damage in Ferguson. All those chants, “Who do we want? Darren Wilson? What do we want him for? Dead!” That was engendered by reading about and hearing those inflammatory comments BEFORE THE INVESTIGATION WAS COMPLETED. Good for you.

    Deal with the facts, or take responsibility for what you incite.

  85. The prediction above was that if there was no evidence against Darren Wilson, the mob would still want his head.

    There was no way to predict what the actual outcome of the investigation was going to be until it was completed. Hence the need to wait for the investigation.

    I am curious what the final report will read. Because since it still hasn’t been released, we still don’t know.

  86. DustBunny: Ferguson is not a complete Section 8 slum. In fact, there is a small area which Ferguson annexed years ago in which these Section 8 multifamily units were built. This area is East of West Florissant Road. Old Ferguson is far to the west on Florissant Rd. Drive around old Ferguson and you will see nice homes. There were many nice subdivisions built I the 50s which are still very nice. People jump to conclusions. They hear that the town is 70% black so they jump to the conclusion that it is all Section 8 slums. Went in dumb, come out dumb too. The Media Mob wants you to think that this is some Ghetto run by some White oligarchs. Not so. Go there and drive around. Ask that off planet guy who stayed out there a couple of months back, Beldar.

  87. Karen, you definitely have the right attitude! But, some Ferguson residents have already threatened riots over the Grand Jury, if they don’t indict. And Al Sharpton will be there. I hope people listen to the facts, but that hasn’t been their history. Obama needs to support the verdict and ask for calm. Assure them Justice has been done.

  88. “Wilson’s Use of Deadly Force Would Be Unlawful Absent Imminent Deadly Threat

    And there we have it. Despite the plain-language reading of §563.046 that a law enforcement can use deadly force to make an arrest when he reasonably believes the person making the arrest has committed a felony, in the aftermath of Tennessee v. Garner and subsequent changes to Missouri case law and jury instructions, the use of deadly force to make an arrest of a non-dangerous fleeing felon is not permitted under Missouri law.”

    the link is provided above by Jack

    excerpt (part of MO jury instruction):


    One of the issues (as to Count _____) (in this case) is whether the use of force by the defendant against [name of victim] was lawful. In this state, the use of force (including the use of deadly force) by a law enforcement officer in making an arrest or in preventing escape after arrest is lawful in certain situations.

    A law enforcement officer can lawfully use force to make an arrest or to prevent escape if he is making a lawful arrest or an arrest which he reasonably believes to be lawful. An arrest is lawful if the officer (reasonably believes that the person being arrested (has committed) (or) (is committing) a crime) (is executing an arrest warrant which he believes to be valid).

    In making a lawful arrest or preventing escape after such an arrest, a law enforcement officer is entitled to use such force as reasonably appears necessary to effect the arrest or prevent the escape.

    A law enforcement officer in making an arrest need not retreat or desist from his efforts because of resistance or threatened resistance by the person being arrested.

    But in making an arrest or preventing escape, a law enforcement officer is not entitled to use deadly force, that is, force which he knows will create a substantial risk of causing death or serious physical injury, unless he reasonably believes that the person being arrested is attempting to escape by use of a deadly weapon or that the person may endanger life or inflict serious physical injury unless arrested without delay (emphasis added).

    And, even then, a law enforcement officer may use deadly force only if he reasonably believes the use of such force is immediately necessary to effect the arrest or prevent the escape.


    On the issue of use of force by a law enforcement officer (as to Count _____), you are instructed as follows:

    First, if the defendant was a law enforcement officer (making) (or) (attempting to make) a lawful arrest (or what he reasonably believed to be a lawful arrest) or [name of victim] for the crime of [name of crime] and the defendant reasonably believed that use of force was necessary to effect the arrest of to prevent the escape of [name of victim] and

    Second, the defendant reasonably believed that [name of victim] (was attempting to escape by the use of a deadly weapon) (or) (would endanger life or inflict serious physical injury unless arrested without delay) [emphasis added], and the defendant reasonably believed that the use of deadly force was immediately necessary to effect the arrest of [name of victim], then the defendant’s use of force was lawful.

    The state has the burden of proving beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant was not entitled to use force as a law enforcement officer. Unless you find beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant was not entitled to use force as a law enforcement officer against [name of victim], you must find the defendant not guilty (under Count ____).

    As used in this instruction, the term “serious physical injury” means physical injury that creates a substantial risk of death or that causes serious disfigurement or protracted loss or impairment of the function of any part of the body.

  89. BarkinDog

    Carleton: The state statute, if any one in the American Media Conglomerate would care to read it, gives the policeman broad use of force when there is a fleeing felon.
    When barking dogs lie.

  90. DBQ, thanks for the inspiring story about Henrietta. Those German ladies are hard workers. And they don´t take nein for an answer. I know -, my mother-in-law is one. Honestly though, sometimes all of the window cleaning and front stoop washing wear me out. But it sounds like it is really doing Henrietta´s renters some good.

  91. There is a phrase: Let sleeping dogs lie. Generally the meaning is this: The phrase is said to warn someone that they should not talk about a bad situation that most people have forgotten about.

    To transform the phrase into an allegation that barking dogs will not tell the truth has the dogpack riled up. My name happens to be BarkingDog. It is one word. I do not lie. I bark when on all fours. I growl when laying down and immediately get up to bark if I need to. I bark into this Dogalogue Machine and it interprets my dog bark into printed English here on the internet. I stand when I bark into the Dogalogue Machine. I poop in the front yards of those who call me a liar.

  92. itchinBayDog here. Dredd. Dogs don’t lie. I am a “police enabler”. I want the police to protect my hearth, home and my four legged body. If some punk is robbing the QT up the street then I want him arrested. If he is doing the bully routine and walking down the middle of the street I want him to be told by a cop to move to the sidewalk, If the bully assaults a cop I want the bully to be arrested. If the bully goes for the cop’s gun I want the bully to be arrested and shot if necessary to effectuate the arrest. I want the cops to show up on the street with the law on their side and I do not like Mob Justice or Media Mob Justice. The Mob is calling for Officer Wilson to be indicted and charged with murder. The Media is with the Mob. If he is indicted I want all the cops in Ferguson to go on strike and then quit. Anyone who works as a cop in Saint Louis County is a chump if this cop gets indicted. Turn in your badges. Carry your guns. The place will not be safe for anybody, man or beast, sleeping dogs included.

  93. artFayDog here. I am on BarkinDog’s Dogalogue Machine and email. I agree with itchinBayDog. The employment of the word “lie” by Dredd has me agitated. If that was not intended to call BarkinDog a liar then Dredd ought to say so.

  94. BarkinDog

    Dredd: What do you mean when you say: ” When Barking Dogs lie.”
    Did I lie about something?
    Let a sleeping dog lie.

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