The Season of Our Discontent II: “Football Strong(Men)” Vs. Women

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  1. The team members were disappointed but did not object. They showed up the next day to learn how they could earn their way back on the team. Not long after five members of the team were charged with vandalism. The vandalism occurred after the community service. These 5 were suspended again.

    I think the point of Mark’s post was that football players need to be held accountable. Their celebrity and money and team administration influence shouldn’t protect them. The point of my posts is that there are high school football coaches and school administrators who are not turning a blind eye to bad behavior. They are teaching the jocks that bad behavior has consequences. Imo, this is the long term approach to the problem. The short term remedies are needed in the pros.

  2. “I’ve been experimenting with a great new Chrome app called “Shut Up.” – Why go to all that trouble. Just keep away from any site that disagrees with you.

  3. From the first article cited by bettykath:

    [Coach] Labrum was prompted to act after guidance counselors told him about a student who had been bullied on a website and suspected football players were behind it. Although coaches could not tell who was behind the bullying, Labrum told his team “we don’t want that represented in our program.”

    So this action was based on no direct evidence of wrongdoing by any members of the football team. But let’s suppose the victim’s suspicions were correct. Then the coach imposed punishments that would not have been available to school administrators in the absence of football. So might this not suggest that football actually provides a means by which misbehaving boys are subjected to corrective discipline?

    Which would be consistent with the data reported by the OP.

  4. Corrective action in being taken at the right level as high schools are taking action when the teams get out of hand.

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/10/23/2nd-high-school-football-team-season-ended-over-humiliating-hazing-coaches/

    Officials at a high school in suburban Philadelphia have canceled the football team’s remaining two games after they concluded rookie players were subjected to what the superintendent calls “humiliating” initiation rites.

    School officials say the hazing at Central Bucks High School West occurred during the pre-season, and included a requirement that rookies grab another player’s genitals while fully clothed.

    Superintendent David Weitzel says the activities did not result in physical harm “but were not harmless.” He says all varsity and junior varsity coaches have also been suspended pending further investigation.

    The football season at a high school in New Jersey was also cancelled earlier this month as a result of a hazing investigation that resulted in criminal charges and the suspension of five coaches.

  5. No indication this is because of abuse of females, but good action by a coach who didn’t like the antics of some of his team members

    http://www.fox10phoenix.com/story/23540191/utah-coach-suspends-entire-football-team

    A Utah high school football coach, fed up with his players’ off-the-field behavior, suspended all 80 members of the team and made them help out in the community instead of practice.

    Matt Labrum, football coach at Union High School, in Roosevelt, said problems ranging from cutting class to cyberbullying prompted his extreme response, according to the Deseret News.

    “We felt like everything was going in a direction that we didn’t want our young men going,” Labrum, who attended the school and has been its coach for two years, told the paper. “We felt like we needed to make a stand.”

    After Friday night’s loss to Judge Memorial Catholic High School, Labrum gathered the team and told players he was not happy with some of the players’ actions. He told them all to turn in their jerseys and equipment, saying they had to earn the privilege to play again.

  6. The accusations of racism by Mespo is nothing more than a straw man. Straw men don’t get no respect, boo hoo.

  7. The key passage from the OP (emphasis added):

    Statistics tell us that incidences of violence against women by NFL players per capita is (sic) actually much lower than for all similarly aged males in the general population (here). (A scary stat either way you look at it.) But those stats don’t stand a chance in the court of public opinion compared to images of thick, brawny men hitting smaller, softer women.

    The author then proceeds to give a series of examples of the types of “thick, brawny men” he has in mind.

    The Birth of a Nation was less obvious than this.

  8. You weren’t responsive at all, were you?
    I made an argument regarding the racial imbalance of mespo’s proof, and how according to his own standards, that is racist.
    You don’t respond to that at all, nor has anyone on the left, choosing instead to ignore, dismiss, or mock me.

    And supposedly it’s me that’s belittling others.
    Typical.

  9. There are about 7 comments on topic, 3 of those in disagreement with it. There are about 7 comments related to the inability to see the post, about 15 claiming the article is racist, or not. There are some posts thanking Mark for the post. The rest are just totally off topic, about half belittling the post/poster, others in defense of the post/poster.

    How’s that for being responsive, Pogo? Most of the belittling comments are yours.

  10. There’s this elderly gent who hangs out in front of my local Starbucks yelling incoherent gibberish and demanding to be called “doctor”.

    Thanks to his Obamaphone, he’s now able to take his act online.

  11. Actually it is Football season so millions of people will be enjoying the games and not giving a crap about this nonsense.

    Those of us catching the game are very content.

  12. mespo,

    It sounds as if this IS the season of some people’s discontent. Then again, maybe every season is one of discontent for them.

  13. I had a rather fragile Grandma who was a lot like those folks, Nick.
    Everything needed to be calm and safe, and no tough subjects allowed.
    “Everything is fine, grandma.”

    I had another Grandma, tough as nails. Irish, probably shanty. If you tried to treat her like the other grandma, she’d kick your ass. She wanted the truth to be told.

  14. Dang, I thought this thread was going to be ignored Mark. Looks like Elaine and Chuck are on target. There’s a bullseye located somewhere on you, now it’s your job to figure out why? Well, Elaine summed it up, just a penny for your thoughts.

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