For those who love to follow the marriages of the rich and famous, this week was a real doozy. In a new book, researchers are claiming evidence that Jesus married Mary Magdalene and had two sons. In the meantime, a new publication on the website of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints says that Church founder Joseph Smith had as many as 40 wives including one who was only 14 years old.
The findings in the new book “The Lost Gospel,” by Professor Barrie Wilson and writer Simcha Jacobovici seems like something out of “The Da Vinci Code.” It is based on the transcript of an ancient manuscript which tells the story of Jesus’s two sons and his marriage to Mary. The manuscript dates back to 570 AD and written in Syriac — a Middle Eastern literary language used between the 4th and 8th centuries and related to Aramaic, the language spoken by Jesus. It was written on animal skin or vellum and has been siting in the archives of the British Library for about 20 years after being held since 1847 at the British Museum (which bought it from a dealer who said he had obtained it from the ancient St Macarius Monastery in Egypt). Jacobovici, an Israeli-Canadian film-maker, and Wilson, a professor of religious studies in Toronto, decided to reexamine the text and believe that it contains a missing fifth gospel and confirms not just the long debate marriage to Mary but progeny of Jesus.
The news on the plural marriages of Joseph Smith is remarkable not only for its disclosure but its source. The LDS Church has always been highly reluctant to discuss the status of Smith as a polygamous. However, it was the Church that released the detailed account this month. It is a refreshing openness from the LDS leadership on a subject that has always been a matter of discomfort. The research suggests that Smith took his first “plural wife,” Fanny Alger, in the mid-1830s. There was a distinction drawn between bonds for this life, which included full matrimonial relations, and partnerships that would exist only in eternity in such marriages.
The essay, “Plural Marriage in Kirtland and Nauvoo,” notes that “[m]any details about the early practice of plural marriage are unknown. Plural marriage was introduced among the early Saints incrementally, and participants were asked to keep their actions confidential. They did not discuss their experiences publicly or in writing until after the Latter-day Saints had moved to Utah and church leaders had publicly acknowledged the practice.”
Researchers believe that most of those sealed for eternity to Smith were between ages 20 and 40. The wives included Helen Mar Kimball, daughter of Joseph’s close friends Heber C. and Vilate Murray Kimball, who was [14.]” It was lawful to marry girls at the age during that period.
As was raised in our Sister Wives litigation (which is now on appeal), the LDS changed its position on polygamy when Utah became a state. In 1890, President Wilford Woodruff, the faith’s fourth prophet-leader, issued the “Manifesto,” which led to the end of the practice. That led to a split and the continued division between the LDS and FLDS, a small group that believes that polygamy is an essential part of the religion. The LDS Church remains opposed to plural marriages.
Source: Salt Lake Tribune
You could tell Lombardi was educated by the Jesuits.
Lombardi almost became a priest. He went to Mass daily.
Teji – No, sorry. Not interested in playing into your game.
[Michael Haz
LDS is a business model disguised as a religion.
Weren’t you speaking of intolerance just a few moments ago?]
Michael, yes I was. You are welcome to disagree and share your point of view and that would not be intolerant.:)
No, that’s the Muslims and Mormons.
We eat babies.
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A passage from “Instant Replay- The Unedited Edition”
Coach Lombardi was all about winning. He didn’t care if you were black or white. Catholic, Protestant or Jew. Well there weren’t any Jew football players but you know what I mean. Coach didn’t care. He just did whatever it took to win.
If you had a favorite food that helped you he would always make sure he provided it at the training table. Willie Davis got his grits and collard greens. Fuzzy Thurston loved peaches. He said they reminded him of his balls. Of course Hornung loved big juicy sausages. He would take them right out of the bun and stick one end in his mouth and slowly sallow them. It was sort of weird but that was Paul.
Most of all he helped us develop healthy habits. He thought having a cigarette helped calm the nerves. Especially for the high strung guys. He would often light up on the sidelines and call us over to take a couple of drags. Tom Moore went over for a couple of puffs every other play.
The Packers were always about health.
(Instant Replay- The Unedited Edition, Jerry Kramer & Dick Schaap Random House 1968)
[Pogo Hears a Who
Atheism/socialism/progressivism/feminism is based on intolerance to unify into separate intolerant groups. That is their only calling card. Hence, one can see the spewing in this thread.]
Is plagiarising part of your religion? 🙂
LDS is a business model disguised as a religion.
Weren’t you speaking of intolerance just a few moments ago?
Darren, There is a hilarious bit by the comedian Emo Phillips highlighting the pathology you discussed. He has 2 Lutherans meeting and discussing their religion. They are excited as they discuss the different sects which they both belong to. Then they get to the final sub, sub, sub Synod and realize they are from different ones. The first Lutheran then screams, “DIE YOU HERETIC!!”
“…exactly one-half of .666.”
Wait, isn’t that also just a half can of Monster Energy Drink?
trooper, We believe in St. Vincent of Green Bay, which also happens to be the title of a very good flick out currently.
Pogo Hears a Who:
“I am surprised the LDS has been so open about this. In the past, such revelations were attacked.
Much more humane approach now”.
LDS is a business model disguised as a religion. This is why the missionaries are allowed to use ipads and the internet which was forbidden before. Now, they also show the tendency to be tolerant to the Mormon gays. The money rotates among them. They want all Mormons to stock food for a year, hence the dehydration Mormon industry cropped up. It is a very wealthy business model.
Kudos to them!
Atheism/socialism/progressivism/feminism is based on intolerance to unify into separate intolerant groups. That is their only calling card. Hence, one can see the spewing in this thread.
The first years of our lives stay w/ us till our grave. Our Prez was raised w/o a father and he carries that baggage. I see folks raised in fundamentalist homes go overboard the other way. Those raised in alcoholic families carry those scars, those abused, sexually and otherwise, have so much baggage they need 5 skycaps. I could see this thread would be hijacked, and indeed it was. Posts on religion can be like crack to a crack whore for some nonreligious.
Nick – do you think the President’s desperate need to prove his ‘blackness’ comes from a need to seek his father’s love?
Satan divided by 2.
I thought that was the Clintons, but now ….hmmm.
You are also a Green Bay Packers fan which is an indication that you believe in Satan. Just sayn’
The New Yawk Giants are currently at .333, which is exactly one-half of .666.
Draw your own conclusions, Methuselah.
“…when another group of individuals belongs to certain denominations of Christianity they then attack that group”
Very often, the nearer the ideology, the more intense the disagreement.
I am surprised the LDS has been so open about this. In the past, such revelations were attacked.
Much more humane approach now.
I find it to be rather disingenuous to proclaim that one holds themselves to be supportive of Christianity and equality but when another group of individuals belongs to certain denominations of Christianity they then attack that group as being full of hatred and having all sorts of unsavory beliefs. It seems more likely, in fact, those groups are the intolerant ones because if others don’t subscribe to their particular beliefs they are wrong and to be rightfully demeaned for their religious beliefs. To top it off, those groups proclaim that others are being self righteous and hypocritical.
It is the general sense of intolerance that leads to polar beliefs and is an antithesis for what our constitution sought to provide in the free expression of religion. It is not something to be subjected to be discretionary for the rule of a few.
Darren: Religions are based on intolerance to unify into separate intolerant groups. That is their only calling card. Hence, one can see the spewing in this thread.
Teji Malik – the spewing on this thread seems to be done mostly by atheists.
You are also a Green Bay Packers fan which is an indication that you believe in Satan. Just sayn’
trooperyork – there is a direct correlation between Satanic worship and the Green Bay Packers.