Just when I thought that I could not get more depressed about humanity, Fortune Magazine released its second annual list of the “extraordinary men and women.” The greatest female leader? Taylor Swift. Not German Chancellor Andrea Merkel. Taylor Swift. She was just two below Pope Francis.
Fortune Magazine selected those people who “are transforming business, government, philanthropy, and so much more.” The list was (1) Apple C.E.O. Tim Cook, (2) European Central Bank president Mario Draghi, (3) People’s Republic of China president Xi Jinping, (4) Pope Francis, and (5)India prime minister Narendra Modi. Then at 6 comes Taylor Swift according to Fortune.
Fortune based its ranking on the fact that Swift “the highest-paid woman in the music business.” After all what has Merkel done? She does not have a single POPS song to her credit.
Trooper
Haven’t you been paying attention to happypappies?
Her church isn’t Catholic yet is being targeted by a terrorist in her community for welcoming God’s children into their fold… Are you suggesting that a Catholic is behind this threat?
You don’t treat all sex acts equally. Just the ones you can support. The ones you can get behind. Or in your behind. So to speak.
Otherwise the furries and the sadists and the pedophiles will get the same rights as you want to give to catamites. It is all about where you draw the line.
Business people should get to decide where they draw the line. Should a baker be forced to make a wedding cake if a father is marrying his daughter?
Dust Bunny Queen
The religious freedom law says the government cannot intrude on a person’s religious liberty unless it can prove a compelling interest in imposing that burden and do so in the least restrictive way.
And, yes, that leaves room for interpretation. So what the law could actually accomplish, experts agree, will have to be assessed on a case-by-case basis, probably in court.
Until then, the debate — fueled by fiery rhetoric that has galvanized both sides — will remain in the court of public opinion.
http://www.indystar.com/story/news/politics/2015/03/29/religious-freedom-law-really-means-indiana/70601584/
DBQ
I understand that you are thinking they should be able to turn anyone out they want of their business. I can’t go there and never could. That is just morally wrong in the most cold and cruel way. It gives excuse to every ethical wrong there is.
Of course you have to wear a shirt and shoes to get served. That is about cleanliness and not getting hair and dirt on things. Common sense should dictate here. Please see my above letter. It gives a very good argument.
on 1, March 31, 2015 at 6:25 pmtrooperyork
These laws are necessary because the end game is that the homosexual lobby wants to force the Catholic church to perform the sacrament of marriage for same sex couples.
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Complete paranoid baloney.
The trend in Indiana is for businesses to place stickers in their windows announcing that they serve all and none are denied…
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CBH3hOKUQAAyejS.jpg:large
And businesses that choose to discriminate will be displaying their own unique signs…
http://www.frontpagemag.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/going-out-of-business.jpg
How is anyone’s “precepts” forced upon a merchant if he sells or serves a gay couple? Does he think he has to condone their way of having sex? Sheesh, no one has sex in the middle of the bakery. They give him money for a service they provide to the public. No one needs to concern themselves what happens in their bedrooms.
These laws are necessary because the end game is that the homosexual lobby wants to force the Catholic church to perform the sacrament of marriage for same sex couples.
It has absolutely NOTHING to do with being in support of a certain sex act. It has to do with treating all God’s children equally and our government not allowing discrimination because of someone’s sexual identity. God created homosexuals, same as he created heterosexuals.
A better example is renting out catering halls. There are many Satanists who have Black Masses and parodies of wedding ceremonies. They even have “ministers” who are ordained and have the ability to marry people. Should a catering hall which is run on Christian principles or Jewish or Muslim precepts be forced to rent their space to Satanists? I presume you would think that is just fine.
Here is another example. Thirteen “gay” oriented bakeries refused to bake cakes promoting “Traditional Marriage.”]
http://www.christianpost.com/news/13-gay-bakeries-refuse-to-make-traditional-marriage-cake-with-the-message-gay-marriage-is-wrong-131479/
You know what? I think that it is there right to do so. I don’t want to force them to think the way that I do. That is what youse guys do.
Hey trooperyork
Shoebat is a liar and troublemaker of the first order. He hates Muslims with a passion. He would come and ram a crucifix up their butt. I get his stuff just for laughs on line soooo. That’s not a good link.
Trooper – If people want to worship Satan in the USA what are you going to do about it? They are having problems in Florida about them distributing literature in schools. I actually have been following this. I looked up their website when the Hobbylobby thing came up and mostly what it seems like is they are fringers. I really don’t care what they do as long as they don’t start burning towns down and getting on the Government Dole, you know what I mean? I think Satan is a Pride issue and is all about worshiping the Self and our Narcissistic Culture does a real good Job of that as it is. Basically we have a Satanic Culture – a bunch of Vampires if you will. People just don’t admit to it much —— so —— What difference does it make how people make love? As long as they are consenting adults that is?
I have always thought it was amusing that the first convention of Nicaea where emperors Sun King Constantine and Licinius agreed in 313 to what became known as the Edict of Milan was put together by Innocent I and Origen. I know you get pissed at Catholic Bashing so I won’t but I will leave it hanging in the air about the celibacy. These men were not the same as modern men about things no matter what you might think. And they put it all together.
So they wrote and rewrote all of this text in the Catholic Church for 1200 years
At the Council of Trent she enumerated the books which must be considered “as sacred and canonical”. They are the seventy-two books found in Catholic editions, forty-five in the Old Testament and twenty-seven in the New. Protestant copies usually lack the seven books (viz: Tobit, Judith, Wisdom, Sirach, Baruch, and First and Second Maccabees) and parts of books (viz: Esther 10:4-16:24, and Daniel 3:24-90; 13:1-14:42) which are not found in the Jewish editions of the Old Testament.
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/02543a.htm
So, here it took 1200 years to get this right, and you still throw out gay people. lol
Because of what they do behind closed doors. Because of the tablets.
happypappies,
He also said it to us… to forgive people who act without truly knowing the consequences of their actions. Either way, the message is about forgiveness…
And not hanging people from his cross.
https://thatsmyphilosophy.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/quit-squirming.jpg
I know Ingannie
I’m not hearing logical reasoning to allow BUSINESS to openly discriminate like they did 50+ years ago
That is because NO one is making that argument.
Trooper…
“OPEN FOR BUSINESS” is not being forced to do anything BUT business.
Again Trooper, how is this any different than a KKK member refusing service to someone they disagree with based on their faith? Is this moving us forward or backward???
Jesus said of the People who hated “Father Forgive them they know not what they do”
Yes it’s okay for the Baker to call the Gay couple pedophiles and bake cakes for dogs getting married. That is not religious balkanization in the least, oh no
Squeekers (kill the gays) said:
“there is a whole lot of stuff you don’t understand.”
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I love it when “straight” people school gays on sex… Like they have experience with gay sex or something???
Go on Squeekers (kill the gays)… explain to us about gay sex and the ins and outs of it all… I’m sure you’re experience far outweighs anyone who’s LGBT.
Once again it is only because you support a certain sexual activity do you think a baker should be forced to bake a wedding cake for a same sex marriage. You might find coprophilia disgusting and beyond the pale. But that is a distinction you make.
I agree that anyone should be able to walk into a bakery and buy a cake like anyone else. Once you ask for a message or the artistic efforts of the baker than he should be able to decide what is disgusting to him and what he is willing to do. If it dropping a deuce on a strawberry short cake or putting two cupcakes up on a wedding cake it should be up to the business. If it advertises itself as a Christian bakery than all of you sodomy fans can shun it. Let the marketplace decide.
Annie
The Glenn Beckers are in for a fun time…
CONCENTRATION CAMPS!!!!!!!!! (a-la Godwin prize)
@Max-1
Max, there is a whole lot of stuff you don’t understand. The question is, if you decide to marry some dude, and you went to some little old Christian lady’s bakery and asked her to make you a wedding cake, and she said she would bake you some cookies, or doughnuts, but that she didn’t believe in gay marriage because it is a sin, and would not make you a wedding cake. . .would you sue her???
This is a simple question.
Squeeky Fromm
Girl Reporter
Pence has a homophobic past that follows him into today when he said on Sunday that he would NOT sign an Equal Rights for LGBT people of Indiana.
Indiana’s governor seems to have a long history of opposing gay rights
http://www.businessinsider.com/mike-pence-seems-to-have-history-of-opposing-gay-rights-2015-3#ixzz3W0I99frQ
From the WAYBACK MACHINE
http://web.archive.org/web/20020206052612/http://www.mikepence.com/issues.html
• support the appointment of judges by the Executive branch who respect traditional family values
• Congress should oppose any effort to put gay and lesbian relationships on an equal legal status with heterosexual marriage.
• Congress should oppose any effort to recognize homosexual’s as a “discreet and insular minority” entitled to the protection of anti-discrimination laws similar to those extended to women and ethnic minorities.
• Congress should support the reauthorization of the Ryan White Care Act only after completion of an audit to ensure that federal dollars were no longer being given to organizations that celebrate and encourage the types of behaviors that facilitate the spreading of the HIV virus. Resources should be directed toward those institutions which provide assistance to those seeking to change their sexual behavior.