We have another case of a man fired for obnoxious conduct outside of his workplace. While we recently discussed this issue with regard to academics, it is increasing common for private employers to fire people who make themselves notorious with thuggish or insulting conduct in public. The latest is Shawn Simoes, who appears to have the mentality of a three year old and taunted a female report with a disgusting sexually explicit heckle on television. He was an engineer with Hydro One, which fired him after the scene was posted outside of BMO Field.
Reporter Shauna Hunt was surrounded by a group of juvenile men who seemed to wait to get the insult on the air. They wanted to embarrass Hunt by using FHRITP, which stands for “f–k her right in the p—y.” The two men speaking with Hunt actually laugh which is equally disgusting. Hunt says that two men “in a row” shouted the offensive phrase while passing by and “I could hear these other guys conspiring to do it,” Hunt added.
Hunt then confronted the group of men in a wonderfully balanced but firm way. One of the men however then proceeds to explain how using the vulgar expression is incredibly funny. “It is f——- hilarious … it’s f—— amazing, and I respect it.”
He later sent an apology to Hunt though I find it bizarre that a grown man would have to be confronted in public to suddenly realize that he is a thug with a toddler’s mentality.
His company did not like the exposure and fired him. There is of course a difference with the Duke and Boston University professors who were voicing their views of race relations and social issues. Having an employee espousing the value to degrading women with vulgarity expressions presents a different issue for a company that has hired employees to perform specific engineering or business tasks.
As we discussed recently, people who achieve such infamy on social media tend to find that their reputation can follow them with devastating consequences as in the case of Adam Smith.
It is encouraging that the team is planning to take action against all of the men but it is only considering a ban for a year. Why not just ban the men entirely? That could only be a net benefit to every other fan and send a message that boorish thugs should stay home and watch on television where they act like total morons in private.
I honestly cannot even imagine why these men — at least six in number — think that such an insult is so funny. It reflects a sad reality about the upbringing and values of too many people — not just in the treatment of women but basic civil conduct.
“Blame the Patriarchy.”
Entirely BS.
“Male power is systemic. Coercive, legitimated, and epistemic, it is the regime.”
— Catharine MacKinnon, Toward a Feminist Theory of the State (1989)
“I’m sure there is a ton of research to prove that claim is true.”
In 1969, the feminist collective Redstockings declared:
And attitudes like Pogo’s didn’t help. Blame feminism for the fact that there are still men like these? Blame the Patriarchy.
Pogo, the problem is that some men haven’t progressed at all. That’s how the video happened.
http://youtu.be/gkjW9PZBRfk
There is of course a difference with the Duke and Boston University professors who were voicing their views of race relations and social issues
No there isn’t, of course, a difference. Both are degrading and disgusting insults and otherizing of select groups of people. BOTH are wrong.
Just because one ‘seems’ to be set in an intellectual setting doesn’t make it better or somehow worthy of overlooking the discrimination. Making an excuse for one over the other is myopic.
Having an employee espousing the value to degrading women with vulgarity expressions presents a different issue for a company that has hired employees to perform specific engineering or business tasks.
Why? How is this a different issue. If your JOB is to be an engineer and you are a drooling slob outside of work, but you are a good engineer then other than the expression of your disgusting thoughts, what basis is there to fire or suspend? Your job performance is not necessarily tied to your idiot thoughts.
If your JOB is to teach and fairly grade students on a topic that you have espoused bias and racist thoughts against those very students that you will be teaching, I posit that your JOB will be affected because your bias and disgusting “thoughts” are part and parcel OF your job.
I don’t think that either should be fired, however, for thought crimes. But if you want it for ONE thought crime, then it should be available for all thought crimes.
In the video….she confronts them and asks them about the term. They didn’t surround her and start chanting it. She asks several other men the same question, THEY didn’t come to her with this topic. She asked them. LINK to video delinked to be SFW -https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKkAL1AEam8- She is confronting drunk men after a soccer game and asking them about the term. Try that in a biker bar. Good luck with your lack of common sense.
It doesn’t make it right to be misogynist pigs or racists @holes. But thought crimes are not illegal…..so far.
“Women are taught to hate heterosexual men, especially the white ones.
All the schools (elementary to college) endorse this view.”
*****
I’m sure there is a ton of research to prove that claim is true.
Elaine M – they are sissyfying little boys in grade school and high school. The special snowflakes want Greek mythology to come with trigger warnings. It is all going to hell in a hand basket.
Pogo
I agree that there are various societal effects with regard to feminism, atheism and multiculturalism. Barbarism, in various forms, has always existed. Was Cain a feminist, atheist or proponent of multiculturalism? There will, unfortunately, always be criminals and barbarians among us. Some shout in the streets at female reporters; others proclaim their disgusting views on the internet and insist that their jobs at universities be protected. Feminism, which fought for women to be viewed as more than mere sexual objects, runs contrary to the views and the insults of these men. Feminism is not the cause of barbaric behavior.
Why assume that these perpetrators were not God fearing individuals from religious homes? I have no evidence which indicates that they were atheists. If atheism is partially to blame, wouldn’t one need evidence that these morons were, indeed, atheists?
Multiculturalism? You mean these guys spent too much time around the Pakistani or Palestinian side of town and picked up on their bad behavior toward women?
Pogo, I don’t know. I watched 2-3 episodes and stopped. Since you want to go back to that time, I’m sure you’d like the show.
“To try to say with a straight face that women were treated better is beyond the pale.”
Are women treated better now?
Then how could the video occur?
“The men control and abuse the women all the time.”
You didn’t answer my question:
Are there guys like in the video here shouting ‘FHRITP’ in the show?
Bettykath, it’s truly amazing that Pogo thinks women were treated better by males fifty years ago and we should regress back to those days. Men may have opened car doors for women, but they also raped them because of the clothes they wore and the victim was then treated like a wanton woman who ‘brought upon herself’. There were the times 50 years ago when cops turned a blind eye to husbands who beat their wives behind closed doors. Husbands couldn’t be guilty of raping their wives. To try to say with a straight face that women were treated better is beyond the pale.
Pogo, you’d like it. The men control and abuse the women all the time. Just like they did in the ’50s and ’60s and before.
“Pogo needs to watch Mad Men to get just a hint of what women have had to put up with from men. ”
Never watched it.
Are there guys like the video here shouting ‘FHRITP’ in every show?
Annie, Exactly. Poor Pogo. Pogo needs to watch Mad Men to get just a hint of what women have had to put up with from men. And that’s after they fought for the right to vote and to own property in their own name and to receive inheritance in their own name if they were married and the right to not be beaten by men… oops, we’re still working on that one. Also still working on the right to refuse sex if we don’t want it. And the right to make decisions regarding our own bodies and well being. And, well, the list is quite long.
bettykath – so, your version of America is one that is 50 years old. You know when I was in grad school I was sexually harassed by the head of the department, a female. I knew a female instructor who specialized in seducing the freshman males. I also have a friend who worked as a female art director during the 60s. She misses all the attention she got from men.
Bambam, if I am wrong, how do you explain it?
Were these guys just aberrancies? Lone wolves? Mentally ill? Bad parents? Representative of all men? No different than what men did 50 years ago?
My theory is that society has degraded in the last 50 years and, as a result, uncivilized (even anti-civilized) behavior is on the rise.
“Change is slow, but change is inevitable.”
Ah, the Prog belief in continual improvement.
It ignores the mass killings and return to barbarism throughout the 20th century, but otherwise is ‘spot on’.
I.Annie – you are spot in in your argument with Pogo. For millennia men have treated women as property. Change is slow, but change is inevitable.
Paul – speak for yourself.
“Feminism, atheism and multiculturalism caused these men to shout out sexual vulgarities to a female reporter?”
No, but Feminism, atheism and multiculturalism has resulted in males jettisoning centuries of Western Civilization and adopting barbaric behaviors, just like what is seen across the Middle East, especially in Egypt.
Islam condones and promotes male barbarism.
The West is getting there by losing its traditional training and moorings.
We had a largely successful method of civilizing men (and they must become civilized), and it has been almost completely discarded.
This is what results.
Expect even more to come as the left doubles down on PC as a cure.
Feminism, atheism and multiculturalism caused these men to shout out sexual vulgarities to a female reporter? There is no feminism in staunchly religious Muslim countries, yet read about the daily sexual verbal and physical assaults transpiring in places across the Middle East, especially in Egypt. Women can barely walk the streets without constant harassment and abuse by male strangers. Can you blame feminism for that behavior when feminism, for the most part, doesn’t exist in those locales? Better find another excuse. Atheism? That couldn’t be it. Religious Muslims in these countries would hardly qualify as atheists. Multiculturalism? Again, these societies are anything but multicultural. They are quite insular, keeping the rest of the world out.
Yes, these issues have very real and valid impacts on our society. No doubt about it. Using them as any kind of excuse or explanation here, in this story, doesn’t make sense.