Dov Lior, the chief rabbi of the Israeli settlement of Kiryat Arba, appears to have rushed to show that extremists can be found on every side of a massacre. After the Paris attacks, Lior rushed forward to tell the world that the attacks were actually directed by God as payment for what Europeans “did to our people 70 years ago.” It does not seem to matter to Lior that France was one of the first to fight against Germany and was left in ruins by the Nazis. It does not even matter that this view of God would make the almighty as morally bankrupt and vicious as ISIS. In Lior’s twisted mind, murderous Islamic extremists were used by God to kill innocent people for the treatment of Jews in the 1940s. Makes perfect sense. It is truly impressive that extremists like Lior cannot resist seeing divine purpose in every act, even using ISIS as a vehicle for divine justice for Jews.
Lior made the statement during the funeral of an Israeli father and son gunned down by Palestinian terrorists. He used that moment to comment on the massacre of hundreds of innocent people by reportedly saying that “The wicked ones in blood-soaked Europe deserve it for what they did to our people 70 years ago.” Jewish extremists will have to fight with Islamic extremists in taking credit for the massacre since ISIS claims it was the will of Allah.
It is not clear how, in Lior’s alleged view of divine meaning in massacres, the killing of Jews by Palestinians fits into this “hand of God” theory. I assume that that killing of Jews is not meant as divine punishment for the killing of Jews but Lior will have to address that lingering question with a long list of other questions following his alleged comments.
Lior previously attacked global condemnation by saying that God allowed the killing civilian non-Jews in times of war. Last year, he wrote and published a letter saying that Jewish law permits destroying the entire Gaza Strip to bring peace to the south of the country: ““in the case of Gaza, it would be permitted for the defense minister to even order the destruction of all of Gaza so that the South will no longer suffer and to prevent injury to our people, who have been suffering for so long from the enemies surrounding us.”
He added a view that clearly embraced acts defined as war crimes:
“At a time of war, the nation under attack is allowed to punish the enemy population with measures it finds suitable, such as blocking supplies or electricity, as well as shelling the entire area according to the army minister’s judgment, and not to needlessly endanger soldiers but rather to take crushing deterring steps to exterminate the enemy.”
Indeed, Lior dismissed suggestions of human rights: “Talk of humanitarianism and consideration are nothing when weighed against saving our brothers in the South and across the country and the restoration of quiet to our land.”
Kiryat Arba is cited by various international groups as an illegal settlement under international law. While the Israeli government maintains that the Fourth Geneva Convention does not apply to Palestinian territories, he international community views the settlement as violating the convention. Putting aside this controversy, the fact that the people of this settlement would maintain such a person as the Chief Rabbi is truly shocking.
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Turkish Muslims booed the moment of silence for Paris in a game against Greece. Many chanted “”Allahu Akbar.” You stay classy, Turkey.
I just activated the BDS virus.
You can always count on Americans to welcome those in danger.
Reminds me of the Jews we didn’t let in in ’38 and ’39.
Obama was urged by many of his people to set up a safe zone. The arrogant, stupid, prick declined. OBAMA owns these refugees, but like so many of his screw ups, we need to clean up his mess. He is feckless and dangerous.
You cannot vet refugees coming from Syria. That is one of the biggest lies out there. Syria is Thunderdome. We should admit ONLY women, children[males under 12], and men over 55 years old. I went to college w/ a 2nd generation Syrian and we are friends. His Catholic grandparents were persecuted by Muslims and they fled to upstate NY in the 1920’s. Great family. Like so many immigrants, the grandparents started a business, a small grocery store, that grew into a supermarket.
If the FBI says there’s not enough information to actually vet, that’s significant.
Since there are discarded IDs from many other countries along the “Syrian” refugee routes, and most of them claim to have no documents, it is reasonable to assume that there are non-Syrians mixed in, could have done any number of atrocities in their past.
http://abcnews.go.com/International/officials-fear-syrian-refugees-pose-threat-us/story?id=28930114
Yes, we have pledged the full weight of the intelligence community to vet these refugees…who have no ID, no database, Assad certainly isn’t going to vouch for their character, since they’re fleeing him, or they could be fleeing the jihadis, or they could be jihadis themselves.
Without information to use, what is the intelligence community supposed to do? How are they even going to determine nation of origin? What facial recognition software can they use on this many people, and with what manpower?
I want to help the good people that are in trouble, and I don’t want to roll out the red carpet to the terrorists tagging along like ticks.
“At the hearing Wednesday, an FBI official also questioned whether the U.S. intelligence community – with few assets on the ground in Syria and little insight into the country from elsewhere – can provide authorities with the information they need to properly determine whether any refugee could pose a threat.
“You have to have information to vet,” said FBI Assistant Director Michael Steinbach, who heads the bureau’s counterterrorism division. “Databases don’t [have] the information on those individuals, and that’s the concern.””
Max:
Here is a link to Youtube videos on rising anti-semitism in France. As you know, I can’t watch videos at home, so let me know if any of these help.
I think you would be interested about rising anti-gay sentiment anywhere, as you are also concerned about bias against moderate Muslims. Shouldn’t you also be concerned about rising anti-semitism? We have had a quite colorful string of examples on this thread.
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=anti+semitism+in+france
Sandra:
Let me explain where you lost my thread. You said, “Stick with your accusation: 100% of rapes in Oslo are by Muslims. Jeez. Who would even BEGIN to believe such a statistic!” And then you said “Thanks so much for the unnecessary explanation about non-assault rapes which are committed by Norwegians. Norwegians, Karen, not Muslims, thereby making your repeated assertions absolutely untrue.”
Well, right. Except that’s not what I actually said.
I did not say 100% of rapes were by Muslims. I said:
“Recent police statistics showed that in the capital city of Oslo, 100 percent of assault rapes between strangers were committed by immigrant, non-Western males. And nine out of 10 of their victims were native Norwegian women.”
This was discussed in the context of crime that Muslim immigration has brought to Europe. I specified assault rapes, which is a subset of rapes overall. Hence why my information on non-assault rapes actually did not undermine my argument. To be fair, I have also included the opinions of Norwegian officials that ethnicity is not causality, so I’m hardly unreasonable. There have been horrifying accounts of Muslim gangs raping non-Muslim girls in the news, which you will encounter if you read international news.
I do acknowledge that Oslo’s small size, small population, and small overall sample size make statistical analysis difficult. I know that cultural differences in immigrants or visitors from countries with poor records on women’s rights can be a problem. Past waves of immigration has included refugees from the fall of the Shah, who enjoyed the more secular freedoms. Now they’re coming from Syria, a popular terrorist training ground. Just Google “terrorist trained in Syria”. Here are the over 20 million results: https://search.yahoo.com/search?ei=utf-8&fr=aaplw&p=terrorist+trained+in+syria
Max:
“If only there was a holiday story about Middle Eastern refugees being denied entry by heartless people…”
That is funny, except Joseph and Mary were not refugees. Jesus was born in a barn because all the inns were full. Having been pregnant, I cannot imagine riding a donkey more than a minute in advanced pregnancy.
Why is it heartless to want to ensure we don’t import any terrorists? To have concerns about vetting such a huge number of people with no documentation, no database, and no background? Many are not even Syrian. Wouldn’t you want to make sure that the people who threw those gay men head first off a building are not among those coming? Because I do. Members of our own government have admitted that it is going to be very hard to ascertain their true identity, let alone their past, or terrorist ties. People go to Syria to train with terrorists. Isn’t it concerning to you that we have no way to tell who’s coming over from there if they have no authentic proof of identity? On the one hand, we have Assad, a vicious dictator, and on the other we have jihadis. Who’s the good guy in this scenario? I only want the good people squashed in the middle, but I want to be able to identify them.
Why is screening out terrorists controversial?
Noticed the “Wouldn’t you want to make sure that the people who threw those gay men head first off a building are not among those coming?”
You see how she flipped it right into a red herring and transitioned into something quite else?
She is a skilled pro-pagandist!
regarding vetting Syrian refugees…here is your answer karen http://www.msnbc.com/all-in/watch/no-ability-to-vet-syrian-refugees–568060995781
By the way, you break it, you own it, we broke Syria, we now own Syrians!
Very unfortunate comment by issac @ 8:52. Maybe a few too many glasses of wine with dinner.
Sandra:
I do not think you’ve been reading what I wrote very closely. You are not following correctly.
As for Patriot’s contribution, it is helpful, in that it illustrates how very difficult it is to counteract brainwashing. I’ve heard all that before, from extremely anti-semitic extremists. There is literally no reasoning with them. You can show them a list of the confirmed Jewish dead in the WTC, and they’ll claim it’s all a lie. This encapsulates the problem. What do we do when immigrants share a similar level of brainwashing? How do we get them to embrace Western freedoms, democracy, and rights, rather than holding on to the old hatreds of their origins?
Karen
i noticed you failed to reply to Sandra’s question.
You did go on to explain something else about what patriot said…but we have been waiting for a while, please answer Sandra…please!
Karen
Thanks so much for the unnecessary explanation about non-assault rapes which are committed by Norwegians. Norwegians, Karen, not Muslims, thereby making your repeated assertions absolutely untrue. Now if you want to talk about the FIVE, FIVE Karen, Oslo assault rapes in 2010 about which the report writes (that you cannot read) I’m happy to listen as you explain how you know that those FIVE foreigners are Muslims when the report does not name their nationalities. their names, or religion.
100%!!! What baloney. What nonsense. What vile propaganda.
Religious extremists: Jewish, Christian, and Islamic seem to condone and even support pedophilia. Mohammed was a pedophile and to believe in Mohammed is to condone pedophilia. The Catholic church has condoned pedophilia for centuries while admonishing those who participate, just before they are transferred. The Jewish extremist places a woman, girl, child beneath the perverse interpretations of whatever works for the most money.
This of itself is a warning concerning those who believe in their religion before and beyond the civil law of the secular nations. Religion should be allowed but controlled. Religion should never take precedence over the laws that govern a nation. When it does we have the sewers that are Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, Iraq, etc. Israel itself dances between both realities.
The greatest threat to Western civilization is the law of a religion taking precedent. Sharia law should never be ‘understood’, only outlawed. The same should be true of Jewish and other religious laws. Children, women, and men must be protected from these barbaric rituals.
Sorry Isaac, you are being a dummy here. The value of religion, Christianity, Judaism, Islam Buddhism is no longer debatable. To claim they need to be abolished when most of humanity since the beginning of times has used religion, and society has relied on it to civilize itself is to be rather clueless.
do you even know what shariah law is? What are the Jewish and other religious laws you speak of?
I think you ought to do your homework…
Karen, you said a lot of things, all of which can be summarized as such: Israel good, everyone else in Middle east bad.
Karen and bam, Hopefully you take solace that you are both good people, they are people driven by hatred. But, our SOS, Kerry, finds their hatred “understandable.”
Sandra:
The reason why non assault rapes are mostly European is that they include rapes against girlfriends, as well as those fueled at parties by too much alcohol and too little character on the part of the boys.
As for Po, you’ve all seen what Patriot has been posting. And you’ve seen Po’s comments about Patriot. When I posted information which should dispel the conspiracy theory that Israel was behind the 9/11 attacks, this is what Po wrote, ““Either you are an Israeli disinformation agent trying to give cover to Mossad or you are as dumb as a tree. Either way it can be seen as complicity to mass murder.” Patriot to Karen/…no truer word ever said.”
All I said about Israel was that they did not perpetrate the 9/11 attacks. It’s abundantly clear to the most casual observer that Po and Patriot are extremists.
Karen S
Notice how CAIR has rattled the chains of its stooge po to, once again, make disparaging remarks about you, Israel or anything else his confused and distorted mind dictates, yet not one, single word about the atrocities committed by his fellow Muslims in Paris. Not a single word. What do we get instead? The ramblings of a madman, accusing you of working for the Mossad because you dared to defend Jews and Israel. In the meantime, po and his cohorts, belonging to the religion of peace, are destroying the civilized world.
I assume that Darren will delete this comment. He will only print photos of swastikas emblazoned on the American flag. That, of course, is fine.
Bambam, why attack Darren? Aren’t you the one who ALWAYS jumps on anything muslim related to make the most disparaging comments about Muslims and about me?
I have never asked darren to delete the vile remarks you make about me…what…now that is it about your side all of a sudden Darren is unfair?
Just so you know, he deleted the mild comment I made about you earlier.
Also why should I speak on what happened in paris when this post is about this specific Rabbi? What type of crazy statement is that?
If you think Muslims are destroying the civilized world when barely 50 000 out of almost 2 billions are involved in extremism (and those 50 000 are usually armed and supported by either the US, Britain or their middle east dictatorship allies), wait till the 2 billions take up arms against you specifically:)
Darren, why was my first post deleted?
“So, I may have source information which could be useful, but it’s maddeningly out of reach.”
karen!
Sandra, you are wasting your time with karen, either she has a hard time understand what she writes, or as usual her hand types the opposite of what her mind says. She is able to say one thing while claiming she means the opposite, then blame you for comprehending what she says.
“Either you are an Israeli disinformation agent trying to give cover to Mossad or you are as dumb as a tree. Either way it can be seen as complicity to mass murder.” Patriot to Karen/…no truer word ever said.