State Lawsuit Against Police Officer Allegedly Assaulting 15 Year Old Girl Removed To Federal Court

By Darren Smith, Weekend Contributor.

monique-tillman-tacoma-mall-cameraIn May of this year, we reported a disturbing allegation of an unlawful use of force against a then fifteen-year-old girl by a Tacoma Police Officer working an off-duty assignment at a large shopping mall.

Originally filed in with the Pierce County Washington Superior Court, on September 19th the case was removed to the U.S. District Court of Western Washington.

Surveillance video shows what appears to be disturbing actions by a professional police officer used against a petite fifteen year old for alleged criminal acts against her that were later dismissed. Plaintiff alleges in her tort claim that race discrimination was a factor in the incident.


 

In May of 2014, plaintiff Monique Charlene Tillman and her brother claim earlier in the day they sold clothing to earn money to buy food. Afterward they biked through the Tacoma Mall parking lot on their way home. It was during this crossing that off-duty Tacoma Police Officer Jared Williams, who was working a paid detail for the mall and not on official assignment with the police department, stopped the siblings. The event is shown in the below video.

The lawsuit claims that after being stopped by Officer Williams, accompanied by three mall security guards, Monique began arguing and tried to ride away. During this stop, the lawsuit alleges that the teenagers where told they would be banned from mall property for creating a disturbance.

As Monique started to ride away, Officer Williams yanked her from her bicycle and aggressively arrested her, finishing the incident by firing a Taser at her.

This is surveillance video showing the incident.

Plaintiff alleges the stop was unlawful, but your author does not have information regarding the reasonable suspicion or probable cause stated by Officer Williams who charged Monique with Assault in the Fourth Degree claiming assault on the officer. Several months later a Pierce County Juvenile Court dismissed this charge. For the purposes of discussion, we will not discuss the reasonable suspicion alleged for stopping Monique or her brother. In my opinion it is really only tangent to the use of force engaged by Officer Williams. I do not consider his actions to be justified by whatever crime Monique could be accused. I believe the force used was facially unlawful.

In the amended complaint filed in State Court, and subsequently entered into the federal court’s record, Plaintiffs allege that TPD Officer Williams, “had [not] seen Plaintiffs engage in any criminal activity prior to Defendant Knaack and Defendant Williams stopping Plaintiffs,” and further allege, “Defendant Williams allegedly responded that Plaintiffs were causing a disturbance and were being “trespassed” from the Mall because of their disruptive behavior. Plaintiff Tillman responded that she believed was being harassed because of the color of her skin.”

Plaintiff states, and the video seems to support, that Officer Williams, “tossed Plaintiff Tillman around like a child’s doll, slamming her into parked vehicles, forcefully shoving his hand and forearm into her chest, grabbing her by the hair and body slamming her into the pavement. Once Defendant Williams had flung Plaintiff Tillman to the ground, he deployed his Taser, sending painful electric shocks through Plaintiff Tillman.

Plaintiff Branch [her brother] was horrified by Defendant Williams’ brutalization of his sister and attempted to come to her aid.

When Plaintiff Branch tried to help his sister, Defendant Williams ordered Plaintiff Branch to back off and pointed his Taser at him, threatening to deploy it.

Defendant Knaack either grabbed or shoved Plaintiff Branch to the ground
after Plaintiff Branch backed away from Defendant Williams.”

Plaintiffs generally allege Unlawful use of force, negligence in preventing excessive use of force and failure to upholding constitutional rights of persons in the community, Assault and Battery, intentional or reckless infliction of emotion distress, false imprisonment, malicious prosecution, section 1983 violation–excessive use of force and deliberate indifference, and violation of the Washington Civil Rights Act.

My personal analysis of the surveillance video cited in the complaint is as follows:

  • The video begins with Monique and her brother riding through the parking lot, followed by Officer Williams and the security guards.
  • 00:17 Personal contact is made with Monique who is upon her bicycle. She begins talking and directing his attention ahead with hand gestures probably indicating her destination as she passes through the parking lot.
  • 00:48 Officer Williams pulls a notebook from his shirt pocket, Most likely to begin writing information about the incident or Monique’s name.
  • 00:56 Monique leans forward, appearing to ride away. She has her right foot on the ground and her hands probably on the handlebars.
  • 00:57 Officer Williams, using both hands while still holding the notepad grasps her left arm and pulls her toward him. If Williams did not allow Monique to leave simply stepping forward and holding her back with a hand or grabbing the handlebar I am certain would have been sufficient to stop her from leaving. Preventing Monique from leaving an investigation would be lawful, provided in this case a minimal amount of force is used.
  • 00:58 Officer Williams pulls Monique from the bike quickly while attempting to put Monique to the ground using a Straight Arm Bar Takedown. Monique does not fall to the ground and stands. I believe pulling Monique from the bicycle in this manner is unnecessary and a reasonable action would be to have her dismount the bicycle and remain standing, or even ordering her to sit on the pavement. She was not given any opportunity to do so. An Arm Bar Takedown can cause minor injuries to a person upon striking pavement as it is common for the target of the takedown to suddenly fall to the ground. Used properly the takedown can be mitigated by holding the arm and setting the person down but this is not always successful. But, again, I do not believe it was necessary.
  • 00:59 Monique turns in a manner consistent with being spun around by Williams who is trying to restrain her. The two then go off camera. One of the security guards holds back her brother briefly.
  • 01:08 Monique is held to the black SUV, restrained by a palm to her chest. Monique appears to be holding onto Officer Williams’ left forearm.
  • 01:24 Officer Williams attempts to put Monique’s right arm behind her back to cuff her but this does not happen. Instead, Williams spins her around and walks her to the from of the vehicle where he again pushes her into the SUV, probably in another attempt to handcuff her.
  • 01:29 After another unsuccessful attempt to put Monique onto the ground, and she stands, Officer Williams grabs her by the back of the head using a hair-hold while using a wrist clench.
  • 01:32 Officer Williams strongly yanks Monique, by the hair, to the sidewalk. Given the hardness of the ground, the physical size of Monique compared with Officer Williams, his strength, and training, and the fact that this incident was a minor violation at best, lesser means should have been employed. Officers are permitted by state law and common law to exercise reasonable force to overcome resistance, which defendants are likely to argue. However reasonableness is by both forms of law mandated.
  • 01:38 Williams straddles Monique and draws a Taser.
  • 01:40 Officer Williams shoots Monique with the darts of his Taser as evidenced by her clenching and the reflection of a wire in the video. He then holds his Taser while standing above her. In my view there was no reason to deploy a Taser against Monique given that she was on the ground and could have been cuffed with little difficulty. In fact, she was where Williams wanted her to be given that he used Straight Arm Bar Takedowns before. He was already standing above her and unless she displayed a weapon, which there is no evidence this occurred, the Taser use was excessive.
  • 01:53 One of the security guards comes forward and handcuffs Monique while Williams stands over her, holding the Taser. She remains on the sidewalk at least until the video ends.

While the complaint alleges that race was a factor in defendant’s alleged assault against the plaintiffs, I personally believe this is likely the least provable fact and no evidence to support this claim was proffered by Plaintiffs in the amended complaint other than mentioning that the “color of her skin” elicited the unlawful actions by Defendants. If however it is so proven, it would not only satisfy the Section 1983 race/color elements but greatly increase, obviously, the damages.

I do however feel this case has strong merit; sufficient enough to warrant a settlement offer by Defendants.

And, as I have mentioned repeatedly in the past, this is yet another shining example of how such small things can mushroom into a protracted controversy that is very costly to officers choosing to clamp down when it is not necessary. Those in authority need to understand that simply looking the other way on stuff that does not matter is often the best course of action. It is not worth it to anyone.

By Darren Smith

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175 thoughts on “State Lawsuit Against Police Officer Allegedly Assaulting 15 Year Old Girl Removed To Federal Court”

  1. @Paul Schulte, September 25, 2016 at 11:36 pm

    “ken rogers – it is a surprise he did not die in his sleep.”

    Yes, it’s truly regrettable that the medical examiner didn’t have the benefit of your vast medical knowledge and forensic expertise so as to include your profound insight in his report.

  2. Squeeky Fromm, Girl Reporter, September 25, 2016 at 10:58 pm
    “Large portions of our country are already a third world narco hell hole, and any talk about the justice system is kind of bizarre. Because that system’s failure is why large portions of our country are already a third world narco hell hole.”

    To not recognize the fact that the United States currently incarcerates more of its citizens, per capita, than any other country in the world, and to not recognize the role of the War on (Some) Drugs in perpetrating that massive incarceration of a disproportionate number of drug users of color, as well as recognizing its contribution to the epidemic of deaths from street drugs is, to quote another commenter, “deeply stupid.”

    1. Has incarcerating more citizens per capita than any other stopped illegal drugs? Gee, no it hasn’t. And we still lose 24,000 people plus per year to overdoses, and 8,000 or so to drug killings, etc. etc.etc. Yet, you presumably wish to keep doing the same thing!

      Why not adopt the Duterte approach? He has instituted a REAL drug war! Guess what? He is about to be joined by Indonesia. And China may even join in! Funny how good ideas start to grow on people! (Are you a racist who thinks that a little brown man in the Philippines can’t have a good idea?)

      And this probably would not be necessary except for the fact that we don’t execute nearly enough people in the country. Because people like you wish to keep your hands and your consciences clean, most of you don’t even support the death penalty for heinous murderers. Which means we now have a surplus of murderers. And because we don’t execute drug dealers we have a surplus of drug dealers. And now we have idiots who complain about mass incarceration.

      Which all will continue for the foreseeable future, because your average college-educated white American liberal can live in a gated community away from places like Chiraq. The reality is, that the more you let something get out of hand, the harsher you will have to be in the future.

      Squeeky Fromm
      Girl Reporter

      1. Are you listening, Professor Turley?

        This woman is a big fan of yours.

        It must be so gratifying to see your scholarship and reason bloom in such an admirable way.

  3. @Teaching Spastics to Dance, September 25, 2016 at 3:28 pm
    “Indy Bob: Well, there probably wouldn’t be any cases of a cop strangling an unarmed black man to death on camera for selling cigarettes illegally and then getting away with murder. That would be a good start.”

    “He was subjected to an ordinary police tackle. He was never strangled and the police officers arm was around his neck for all of nine seconds. He subsequently suffered a heart attack because he was a very unhealthy man (morbidly obese, diabetic).

    “We’ve reached a state in this country where the left can scarcely make an utterance at all that is not a blatant and vicious lie.”
    ——————————-

    Leaving aside the amazing coincidence of Garner’s physically violent arrest and death, anyone who generalizes about the behavior of the arguably meaningless abstractions of the “left” or the “right” is emoting, rather than thinking:

    “The New York City medical examiner’s office also offered pertinent facts when it classified Garner’s death as a homicide this summer. He died because of a ‘compression of neck (chokehold), compression of chest and prone positioning during physical restraint by police,’ the office found, while also calling Garner’s ‘acute and chronic bronchial asthma, obesity and hypertensive cardiovascular disease’ contributing factors.”
    http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/04/us/eric-garner-chokehold-debate/index.html

    1. One thing that events in Baltimore and Staten Island have taught us is that the coroner will cave to political pressure in select circumstances.

      The coroner in the Garner case was not making a scientific judgment, but a moral one based on a contentious conception of causality. Under almost no circumstances will tackling a 46 year old man kill him. The police did nothing out of the ordinary in tackling him. The police had no reason to believe that tackling him would cause him mortal injury.

  4. @Squeeky Fromm, September 25, 2016 at 4:38 pm

    “That is why I am for extra judicial killing of drug pushers! Like Duterte in the Philippines.”

    Let me suggest that if you ever act on that barbaric sentiment, you’ll become intimately and painfully familiar with the US criminal justice system in ways that will seriously challenge your callous indifference to those currently enduring its ministrations.

    1. I hope so. Squeeky’s thoughts about civil liberties and civil rights for minorities and those that support them are very disturbing.and yet she is the most dominant character on a civil liberties blog. Go figure. She seems to be well liked by the white nationalist crowd. White silence equals white consent.

      1. I am not the most dominant, just one of the more outspoken, I think. And as far as Duterte, he has authorized his police to take care of the drug problem, and it seems to be working. Eventually, we will either do that in the United States, or we will become so debilitated that we will either collapse or be taken over.

        Large portions of our country are already a third world narco hell hole, and any talk about the justice system is kind of bizarre. Because that system’s failure is why large portions of our country are already a third world narco hell hole.

        Squeeky Fromm
        Girl Reporter

          1. Oh hell, I wish Trump could, or even had the inclination, but that would be too much of a stretch for him. Plus, most Americans are like you and Kate, and think just shooting drug gang members is morally wrong, for some ungodly reason. It will have to be some future Democrat who allows the police to start killing drug dealers in the streets. Kind of like Nixon going to China. Or, it will be some Future Fuhrer who will have taken over the government to clean up the mess. Or third, maybe the person(s) who administers our country for whatever foreign power after we are militarily taken over. I think the third option is not very likely in the next hundred or so years.

            The first two options are maybe realistic 50-75 years hence. We will probably be begging for it by that time,. Even you, if you are still around.

            As far as what Trump can do in any sphere, it will just be a brief respite from our downward spiral. As a nation, we have not been hurt enough yet. So, he can maybe slow down the rot, and rub a little off the edges, but we are too far gone to reverse the decline. We will have to hit a societal rock bottom.

            Squeeky Fromm
            Girl Reporter

  5. I would just like to add one thing. Most of the black and Hispanic people I meet in day to day encounters seem very nice and sociable. Something tells me that if we had a 48 hour period with no law enforcement that there probably would be people of my ethnic back round as well as those who aren’t doing some of the misbehaving.

  6. Something tells me that if we had no law enforcement for 48 hours, those of us that exercise our 2nd amendment rights would feel more at ease than those who don’t. Say what you want, it’s a thin blue line that separates civil society from anarchy and chaos.

    1. Amen to that! Everywhere I go I have my five shot 38. At home, I have a bigger gun. Which most people down here have the same, so the black gangbanging youth down here have better sense than to try to trash our neighborhoods. Sooo, I will sit and eat popcorn and watch the cities in the gun-free-ish blue cities get a lesson in Reality one of these days, or “Eloi vs. Morlocks, Part 1” as I call it. I can’t wait to see the SJWs hollering for a safe space. 🙂

      Squeeky Fromm
      Girl Reporter

      1. Please don’t wish your dystopian hell on anyone else. Your life sounds so miserable. Thought you claimed to be a good christian.

        1. What is dystopian about utilizing a system, let’s call it the Duterte System, that has drug pushers begging to be locked up???

          My goodness, but we lose about 24,000 people per year just to drug overdoses, another 8,000 or so to direct drug murders, and countless others to the despair of drug addiction, and other physical and mental issues.

          Sooo, why do you want to continue the status quo??? Do you hate people or something??? Do you only care about protecting people who sell deadly addictive products?

          Squeeky Fromm
          Girl Reporter

  7. So a few weeks ago Killer Mike was here at the College of Charleston – I don’t listen to rap, but became aware of Killer Mike as he was a fierce advocate for Bernie Sanders so I was intrigued and went to listen to what he (they) had to say. I was totally blown away – Killer Mike, despite being a rap star identifies with Southern white men in terms of owning guns, hunting, fishing, etc. He also points out that a lot of the heavy-handed violence meted out by rogue cops is due to to both Clintons (Mike’s step dad is a cop). For those of you who are interested in that segment it starts around 32 minutes in.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixq-0ktQ2Uo

    It was a remarkable evening listening to these 3 black men from very different backgrounds have a discussion on what it means to be activists, fathers, artists in the U.S. – Killer Mike though is the only one who is not supporting HRC.

      1. I suppose the Clinton’s caused the murder of runaway slaves and the violet lynchings in the south and elsewhere, Alejandro.

  8. phillyT, September 24, 2016 at 3:02 pm
    “I know you and Nick LOVE to make up stuff about folks on this board and you are a little too obtuse to recognize the obvious projection that is so perfectly revealing about you. But aside from your passive aggressive obnoxiousness, you do make a point worth considering now and then. Usually when your blatant racism hasn’t gotten the best of you.”

    Good comment both in terms of its accuracy and its generosity.

  9. Squeeky,
    “I mean if you are caught selling crack cocaine in the hood, you are either going to prison or you ain’t. Hillary and the Dems are on the “ain’t side.””

    To be fair, I think the Democrat position limits the “ain’t side” to people who are only using the stuff, preferring treatment programs over the too-often rehabilitation-less incarceration.

    1. “Treatment programs” are primarily successful at … employing people who work in treatment programs. What success they do have is in part a function of the alternatives (e.g. jail).

        1. “Teaching spastics” is right on this one. Rehab is pretty much a joke, and relying on it to fix drug problems is only going to fix maybe 20% of addicts on a good day. That is why I am for extra judicial killing of drug pushers! Like Duterte in the Philippines.

          https://d14rmgtrwzf5a.cloudfront.net/sites/default/files/images/colorbox/relapsegraph.jpg

          https://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/principles-drug-addiction-treatment-research-based-guide-third-edition/frequently-asked-questions/how-effective-drug-addiction-treatment

          (I am not sure the study is correct, because I have not seen a 40% success rate anywhere. But I don’t feel like researching the heck out of this.)

          Squeeky Fromm
          Girl Reporter

          1. Perhaps the programs are ineffective because they do not address the underlying dysfunction in serotonin/dopamine production and heightened pain response. Such things are a consequence of vitamin D deficiency, gut dysbiosis, fatty acid and micronutrient deficiency from a crap diet.

            Some people descend into drug addiction following surgery. This tells me doctors are not looking for underlying dysfunction.

            Getting rid of the poppy fields in Afghanistan would help. Have the farmers learn to grow other crops.

            Stop the corn subsidies which would make high fructose corn syrup not cost effective (on a side note, corn ethanol is not an efficiently produced biofuel).

            I will read your link, but I did want to address these points while they were fresh in my mind.

          2. From your link, Squeeky:
            “ike other chronic diseases, addiction can be managed successfully. Treatment enables people to counteract addiction’s powerful disruptive effects on the brain and behavior and to regain control of their lives. The chronic nature of the disease means that relapsing to drug abuse is not only possible but also likely, with symptom recurrence rates similar to those for other well-characterized chronic medical illnesses—such as diabetes, hypertension, and asthma (see figure, “Comparison of Relapse Rates Between Drug Addiction and Other Chronic Illnesses”)—that also have both physiological and behavioral components.”

            This is a huge part of the problem. Doctors are not effective at treating chronic disease because they do not treat the underlying dysfunction (that is, unless the doc is also trained in Functional Medicine). Too often they use “bandaids”, expensive, ineffective, often additionally detrimental bandaids. I know precious few people who stopped needing diabetes medication after following their doctor’s orders, same goes for people with GERD and high cholesterol.

            1. Addiction is not a disease, but a behavioral problem.

              I made the acquaintance once of a social worker whose job was trying to straighten out alcoholics and drug addicts. He said he had two allies: banks and the criminal justice system. “Banks – they don’t care about your problems. They just want their money.” As for the criminal justice system, “It has one virtue. Once it gets you in its maw, it comes after you and after you until it is DONE with you”. Both, he said, the addict face to face with a reality he is at pains to avoid. The numbnutzes yapping about the ‘war on drugs’ and ‘mass incarceration’ are all for taking away from Mr. Social Worker the allies he has.

              1. Teaching Spastics to Dance – a full-blown addict is not going to care who or what gets in the way of their addiction, they will get their next hit, fix, drink, etc. It is behavioral only in that the addict, when sick enough, can realize there is a way out. The way out is not physically or mentally easy. That is why about 50% of addicts relapse at least once. The recovered addict just turns to a new addiction. Hopefully a healthy one. They still have an addictive personality.

    1. Indy Bob, Well, there probably wouldn’t be any cases of a cop strangling an unarmed black man to death on camera
      for selling cigarettes illegally and then getting away with murder. That would be a good start.

      1. Indy Bob, Well, there probably wouldn’t be any cases of a cop strangling an unarmed black man to death on camera
        for selling cigarettes illegally and then getting away with murder. That would be a good start.

        He was subjected to an ordinary police tackle. He was never strangled and the police officers arm was around his neck for all of nine seconds. He subsequently suffered a heart attack because he was a very unhealthy man (morbidly obese, diabetic).

        We’ve reached a state in this country where the left can scarcely make an utterance at all that is not a blatant and vicious lie.

        1. Yeah, right. Have you listened to Trump and his minions for even three seconds?? Lies, Inc.

  10. @Nick Spinelli, September 24, 2016 at 12:12 pm

    “Who the f@ck would want to be a cop these days. I have a family member who just got his degree and is applying to big city police departments. He’s a sharp, empathetic, young man and he will be eaten alive by the feral youth of today. EATEN ALIVE. I pray for him.”

    Is this one incident of a towering, feral brute viciously attacking a peace officer who’s just minding his own business really sufficient evidence to rationally support your rhetorical question and prediction regarding the likely fate of your family member?

    You may want to offer up a prayer or two for yourself, as well.

  11. The upshot of all of this is, that black people are entitled to do anything they want, and act out anyway they want, and nobody is supposed to do nothing about it. Because they’re blaaaaack. . .

    While some may think I am using hyperbole, I disagree. What is the logical result of the Democratic attack against “mass incarceration???” I mean if you are caught selling crack cocaine in the hood, you are either going to prison or you ain’t. Hillary and the Dems are on the “ain’t side.”

    Why all the statistics about the percentage of black arrests? Which are almost always presented without the accompanying statistics about blacks and crimes. Geeesh, 6% of the population, black men, commit 52% of the country’s murders. Those bodies are really most sincerely, dead, sooo there is no question about selective enforcement. And cops are supposed to interact with black men, like they are pacifists Buddhist monks???

    With the black girl above, would we even even be discussing this if she was white? But, she’s blaaaaack, sooo nobody is supposed to do nothing to her.

    We are kissing our country good-bye, and law and order good-bye, all in the name of supporting the Democratic Party’s vote-getting, race-baiting narrative.

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

    1. issac – you have America’s number one liar backed by Soros who is backing the rioters of BLM and you think police brutality and truth will be worse under Trump? You need to stick you head under a mister and clear your sinuses.

      1. Seems like Soros gets blamed for everything by the right wing. Are you sure that Bill Ayer’s is not involved too? What is Soros’s connection to BLM?

        1. Rent-a-crowd.

          Soros gets blamed for a great deal because he’s the money bags for a mess of shady characters (David Brock, for one).

        2. Arnie- Leaked Soros emails confirm that his Open Society Foundation contributed at least $650,000 to BLM.
          They head of that foundation had denied any contributions to BLM, but the leaked emails contradict his denials.
          There claims that Soros or his foundation have contributed millions to BLM, but I haven’t seen any confirmation of those amounts.

      2. Paul

        You must have taken a Trump University course on The Art of Obfuscation. Trump is the master of Obfuscation and with the help of his ghost writers, regarding spelling as well as meaning, means it as a good thing. Your history on this blog clearly presents you as a PHD in Obfuscation. Statistics, actual physical records, undeniable history chronicled for all to see, illustrate that while Clinton is a great liar, who has lied dozens of times in the past; Trump is off the charts having lied hundreds of times.

        It is common knowledge that while Clinton squirms and defiantly refuses to admit changing her mind, as most politicians and people in general do as the climate of public opinion changes, Trump lies without even knowing he is lying. Trump’s lies are so audacious he struggles to follow one whopper with another and when he succeeds he can be seen smirking to himself. Review the recent claim regarding the birther stuff. He must of been thinking of a comedy sketch where the joker simply says no when confronted with the truth.

        Black Lives do Matter and statistics illustrate that Blacks are more prone to being unjustly dealt with than Whites. You can cherry pick statistics to obscure and obfuscate the issue but the fact of the matter remains that regardless of how much progress America has made in exiting its most shameful past when it comes to slavery and racism, traces still exist. Irrespective of how dastardly some Blacks are and how they contribute to the patina that is first recognized by the police in too many circumstances, it is the trace of the shame that still resists the myths that ‘it’s all fixed now’. You can stick your head under a mister to clear it. You can pull it out of the sand and take a clear look. Or, in your case, you can pull it out of where the sun don’t shine and put that 150+ IQ to better use. Is your claim of a 150+ IQ of the ‘Trump Claims’ ilk or where you tested and for what?

        1. Isaac
          – After the lie you posted a few days ago about the candidates’ IQs, you’re not really in a position to repeatedly bring up the issue of IQs.
          You may jazz up your arguments by making things up, but the downside is that the lies you post undermine your credibilty.
          And it doesn’t seem to faze you when you’re called out about the lies….you just keep on and on the same track.

          1. tnash – issac is on the list to get the Clinton talking points each day. Not sure how a Canadian qualifies, but I guess Hillary gets help where she can.

        2. issac – one of the pluses of having a high IQ is being able to see patterns. You walked all about the Soros matter and never answered it. Nice try. Get back to the subject. I am not talking about slavery. It ended in 1863 for slaves in the Southern States.

          1. Paul

            With your history of saying nonsensical things, to solicit a response for only the sake of a response, or whatever, it is highly unlikely that you have an IQ of 150. So, patterns or whatever, you show little to no indication of being able to recognize much more than an invitation to make a sardonic remark.

  12. @phillyT & @roscoe – 5 shot in WA mall, a Mall what a timely topic guys, was it a cop, a racist cop, a cop on steroids, ex high school football player cop, ex military now a cop, a biggot cop, an untrained cop, a KKK cop, a cop from Mars?

    No none those, to be continued.

      1. @philly, The point they I come to with you is when your cornered on reality you start with the name calling and the labeling, a sign that liberals use to silence the opponent. But I repeat let me know what venue your playing your hilarious, the guys here are laughing their ass off, we would all come to see you.

          1. phillyT, OK Dad, You’re. One day I going embarass the hades out of you with a profile based on the way you name call and label people on the post. You ain’t going to like it but man your easy. Bet you weren’t real popular in high school, for sure you didn’t play sports maybe the clarinet or flute. A couple football players maybe pushed you around or made fun? Not popular with the girls either I suspect. You sure ain’t no attorney or you wouldn’t be spending so much time here. Check out what you wrote:

            The job requires more than being a big dude with a bad attitude. Or pumped on steroids. Or being a racist sh*tbird who can’t wait to shoot a black man. Or kid.

            If you’re not cut out for the job, DO SOMETHING ELSE. There are plenty of jobs for former high school football players or ex-military looking for another adrenaline high.

            You don’t like uniforms, strength or authority either I suspect and the way you address Squeeky a strong, intelligent, conservative and probably pretty woman. Hmm-Hmm-Hmm

            Why so angry? Get out there, there’s some great restaurants in Philly, there’s even one with singing waiters. The Philly cops are real nice too.

    1. WB, how does my last anecdotal observations about sworn officers have anything to do with the shooter in Washington?
      You are conflating things to a remarkable degree and limiting my ability to consider you rational.

  13. “This is an evil world and there are people out there who want to kill us, so of course we have to kill them first, but sometimes mistakes are made and we kill people who didn’t want to kill us and then all their friends and relatives want to kill us.”

  14. “Those who will not reason, are bigots, those who cannot, are fools, and those who dare not, are slaves”. Lord Byron.

  15. People like the German Shepherd here are also a big part of the problem. His ilk who would poop their pants just walking in these war zones but passing judgment as liberals LOVE to do. My old man would say, “If you’re going to talk out of your ass, please at least stand on your head.”

    1. Amen! These cops have to deal with savage black trash all day long, while white liberals sit back and complain about the poor damned thugs. It’s funny, because liberals like to look down their noses at poor white trash and white rednecks, and yet. . . black trash is far worse than white trash ever was, and far more widespread. I wish liberals could adopt some of these poor mistreated individuals into their own homes, around their own wives, and children. I really do.

      Couldn’t you just see PhillyT with his own black teenage girl adoptee! She has one illegitimate kid, and PhillyT gently admonishes her, and then by the time she is on her fourth, by four different baby daddies, and has ransacked his home, PhillyT would be joining the Klan, and the White Aryan Resistance, posting on Stormfront, and moving to Idaho.

      Squeeky Fromm
      Girl Reporter

        1. No. I don’t even read there. I checked it out a few years back, and some of the people there were not wrong about some things, but I was not real impressed with their attitudes, or reasoning skills. Many of them are on a par with your average white liberals, who just call names and presume stuff. Like I have said before, white racists and white liberals are just flip sides of the same coin. Same mindset.

          Plus, even on some bad ideas, like anti-Semitism, there is often a grain of truth lurking in the belief, and if you read a lot of things in that particular vein, you can be attracted to the tidbits of truth, and miss the main points. Which, having a little Jew-y blood in me is not a good thing, even though I am not at all sure that we don’t secretly run the country. Which if we do, I wish the Jews in charge would let me in on it, so I can get my share.

          Squeeky Fromm
          Girl Reporter

          1. @ Squueky Plus, even on some bad ideas, like anti-Semitism, there is often a grain of truth lurking in the belief,” And what might that be?

            1. Uh. . .like I said, that us Jews (and part Jews?) really do run things in this country. That we control the media, and the banks, and the courts. Because we really are far over-represented in those fields.

              To wit, Alan Dershowitz admitting that the numbers may be there, just not the conspiracy.

              http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alan-dershowitz/do-jews-control-the-media_b_753227.html

              or:

              Sometime this week, Janet Yellen is expected to be confirmed by the Senate as chairman of the Federal Reserve. When that happens, she’ll become one of the most powerful people in the world, and one of the most powerful women—some have argued the most powerful woman—in history.

              Yellen’s ascent to the post will also guarantee that, by the end of her first term, Jews will have occupied the Fed’s top post for three decades straight – an unprecedented run of Jewish power and influence. The chairman’s seat hasn’t been occupied by a non-Jew since 1987, when Alan Greenspan was appointed by President Ronald Reagan to follow Paul Volcker. With the succession of Ben Bernanke in 2006, under President George W. Bush, and now the appointment of Yellen by President Barack Obama, it’s worth remembering that there is a concept in Jewish thought called chazakah: When something happens three times, it can be considered permanent. Applied to the Federal Reserve, it would suggest an impossibly firm grasp on a degree of power the likes of which the Jewish people have never known.

              http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/156146/yellen-at-the-fed

              Sooo, like I said, there are some little grains of truth in all that anti-Semitic stuff, which I think makes it better off to just stay away from. Remember, one little wiggly flag, and KERBLAM! – the Moon Landing Deniers were in full swing.

              Squeeky Fromm
              Girl Reporter

              1. Uh. . .like I said, that us Jews (and part Jews?) really do run things in this country. That we control the media, and the banks, and the courts. Because we really are far over-represented in those fields.

                About 20% of the attorneys in the United States are Jews, which is to say 80% are not. Most media companies were founded by Jews (Disney Studios was a notable exception). IIRC, only CBS currently has Jewish leadership. The New York Times and the Washington Post have a Jewish ownership group and executives. The thing is, newspapers are like ice delivery ca. 1952. The Sulzbergers are not (never have been) Jewish patriots of any kind. Neither do the consequential financial institutions have Jewish leadership, bar Goldman-Sachs and GE Capital.

      1. I know you and Nick LOVE to make up stuff about folks on this board and you are a little too obtuse to recognize the obvious projection that is so perfectly revealing about you. But aside from your passive aggressive obnoxiousness, you do make a point worth considering now and then. Usally when your blatant racism hasn’t gotten the best of you.

        For what it’s worth, I thought I would share something about myself with you. I trust you will twist it into a rant about scary “black savages” or another puerile challenge about white people going into the hood or something similar.

        Some years back, I worked four year on the front lines in a DC psych hospital. It was a locked unit, and other than the “criminally insane” who went to St. Elizabeths, we took everyone. We had a contract to take all the DC police who went crazy as well. I know you are all brave and tough with your Glocks or whatever you carry, but try facing down a 6′-4′ 240 lb city cop who’s gone full paranoid psychotic break. No handgun. No taser. Nothing but you and someone who is certain you’re out to get him, and three days until the Haldol kicks in. The other male staff and I had to take turns “volunteering” to get locked in the quiet room with these guys and other scary people, so they wouldn’t harm the other patients or the staff. I really doubt you could handle it for a minute.

        So, no, I don’t want to go into the hood. But I faced off my share of really scary violent people without body armor, without a gun, without a weapon of any sort, and I managed. And if the cops had better training and better screening they could manage too.

        So maybe get over yourself a little.

        And by the way, if I adopted a girl, any girl, I’d make damn sure she had gotten good sex ed, and access to birth control. Please stop with your incredibly ignorant stereotyping. I’d love to hear what your positive suggestions are. If you have any.

        1. We had a contract to take all the DC police who went crazy as well. I know you are all brave and tough with your Glocks or whatever you carry, but try facing down a 6′-4′ 240 lb city cop who’s gone full paranoid psychotic break. No handgun.

          Not buying. Used to work ED registration and I never saw one cop in the psych ED. There are seven hospitals who take psych patients in the region and 45% of the beds are with my old employer.

          1. Buy it. Don’t buy it. I could not care less about your fabricated opinions.

            You obviously have no idea what you are talking about.

            1. You obviously have no idea what you are talking about.

              Nothing is obvious to a third party. You and I both know you’re pulling yarn.

          2. Teaching Spastics to Dance:
            I don’t know how long you’ve been reading JT’s column, but I refer you to the June 12, 2016 column,
            ” Orlando killer identified as Muslim Extremist who pledged allegiance to ISIS”.
            Within 48-72 hours ( by June 15), Obama and the FBI made statements about the shooter’s radicalization on jihadists’ websites.
            It was also known ( by June 15) that he attended the Fort Pierce mosque, known for its radical Islamic cleric.
            Another member of the mosque became the first American suicide bomber in the Syrian conflict.
            He blew himself and other up on behalf of the Al-Quaeda linked Al Nusra group.
            On June 18, at @10:20 AM, the following comment was posted:
            “All the evidence now points to the FACT that he was not radicalized, by himself or anyone else.
            The pledge to ISIS was a cover for his extreme homophobia and mental illness”.
            It takes a special kind of hubris to dismiss radicalizing factors and diagnose “extreme homophobia” as the underlying cause.
            It’s like saying a member of ISIS who throws gays off of buildings isn’t radicalized…he’s “merely” homophobia.
            That June 18 comment ( by Philly T.) might indicate that he does, in fact, have experience with psych hospitals.

            1. That June 18 comment ( by Philly T.) might indicate that he does, in fact, have experience with psych hospitals.

              So what? That was not the claim I was disputing.

              1. Teaching Spastics:
                We have no way of confirming or refuting Philly T’s claims about his experiences with mental health facilties.
                My last post refers to his unhinged comment on June 18, which brings into question the type of experience he’s had with psyche wards.

        2. @PhillyT

          OH NO! You ain’t getting off that easy. You are PRESUMING that your black teenage adoptee does not already know where babies come from, and hence sex education will keep the babies from coming. Nope. Lashonda (your black teenage girl) knows exactly where babies come from, and plans on getting pregnant by Tequarius ASAP, so she can get her very own benefits! Remember, birth control is free to poor women! If they get pregnant with illegitimate more than once, it definitely is not a matter of a lack of sex education.

          Now, what you gonna do? Force her to take birth control pills? Next year, at say 16, she gets pregnant again, by DeShontay. Plus, she refuses to do her homework because that is “acting white”, and the other black kids will tease her.

          What are you going to do? Throw her out of your house, and let Welfare take care of her? Ooops! Now she is 17, and pregnant again, by Tyronius. She comes and goes as she pleases, and leave the babies with you to watch for her. She uses drugs, and her thug boyfriend Tyronius is staying over yur house, and the whole place smells like rotten pot. Plus, there are several big screen TV’s, I-phones, I-pads, guns, and a set of gram scales in the spare bedroom. You find her advertising on BackPage. What are going to do?

          Remember, you did not get this girl until she was 15. Prior to that, she was raised by a ratchet momma down in the hood, sooo she reads at about a 3rd grade level, and speaks a strange form of English that you can barely understand. Plus, this is what she knows. Are you going to lay hands on her, and spank her? “Time out” doesn’t work, and frankly, she can probably take you in a fight. Plus, she says you are guilty of White Privilege and are dissing her and stealing from her by keeping her welfare money to spend on the babies. What now?

          Are you gonna call the cops to come and lay hands on her, and Tyronius? Are you going to sue them if they get rough with her?

          Squeeky Fromm
          Girl Reporter

            1. Huh? I think I have a great grip! Do a little CPS type work, and you will have a great grip, too! Because what I described is pretty common, and actually understated. These little black kids are being raised in horribly toxic environments. If you can’t see this stuff in person, have you ever read any of Colin Flaherty’s books? Or, Taleeb Starkes’? Or watched any Tommy Sotomayor videos?

              Squeeky Fromm
              Girl Reporter

              1. Do a little CPS type work, and you will have a great grip, too! Because what I described is pretty common, and actually understated. These little black kids are being raised in horribly toxic environments.

                I spent most of my life in a state which has about 4.5 million juveniles. The foster care census is about 25,000 and has not changed much in a generation. The CPS caseload is contextually tiny even in the slums. To form your understanding of family life on that basis is deeply stupid.

  16. Who the f@ck would want to be a cop these days. I have a family member who just got his degree and is applying to big city police departments. He’s a sharp, empathetic, young man and he will be eaten alive by the feral youth of today. EATEN ALIVE. I pray for him.

    1. IF Law Enforcement depts. would make hiring decisions based on the model used when Mr. D. Smith was hired.then most of the public would have very few reasons to complain of alleged police misconduct.

      1. They should do extra screening of any applicant who has been in the military. Those guys are trained to kill first. They have a much higher incidence of PTSD than the general public. Their screening should include a very thorough mental health eval.

        1. That is not really the case. It is a fallacy to state that a police officer who has been or is a soldier is more likely to kill than a officer who has never had combat training. A soldier is often more disciplined, and is used to rules of engagement. I have served with soldiers who were good cops, and soldiers who I would fear to see on the streets because they were lacking in integrity. Just because someone serves in the military does not make him a person ready to kill at the drop of a hat.

    2. What his experienced cohorts will do to him as they share the ‘benefits’ of their brutality- should in fact worry you more. Disillusionment is hard to survive.

  17. There isn’t any sound in the security video. She could have been dropping the mofo at him over and over again for all you know.

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