It appears that that “basket of deplorables” was a bit larger than Hillary Clinton expected. I was up to 4 am at Fox participating in the coverage of the election from New York. This was my fourth such presidential election as part a media team and it was fascinating to watch unfold at the campaign headquarters at Fox. History will judge the decisions of Democrats leaders in this election. As I have previously written, many in the Democratic National Committee and establishment (including allies in the media) did everything they could to engineer the election of Hillary Clinton. While they had an extremely popular candidate in Bernie Sanders as well as Vice President Joe Biden, they insisted on advancing Clinton despite her being deeply disliked and the ultimate symbol of the establishment that the public was rallying against. As the close race indicated, the selection of a Sanders or Biden might have produced a sweep of both the White House and the Senate for the Democrats. We will never know of course but what is clear is that Clinton was the least likely candidate to prevail in this environment. Democratic leaders lost possible control of both the Senate and the White House by forcing voters to vote for someone with record negatives. Voters were clear that they did not want Clinton, but the Democrats assumed that the “lesser of two evils” approach would again prevail. They were wrong. Many people voted for third party candidates and many people on the fence refused to pick the candidate most associated with the establishment and the status quo. I expect that history will judge the work of figures like Debbie Wasserman-Shultz and Donna Brazile harshly in the roles that they played and more generally in the failure of Democratic leaders to heed the clear demand from voters for a change in leadership. Hillary Clinton was a talented and historic nominee. However, she was also the very symbol of the establishment and heavily laden with the type of associations that the public was clearly reacting against.
The wins in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania shows precisely how reckless and cynical the DNC strategy proved to be. Clinton won only 18 states and the District of Columbia, though it did earn her 242 electoral votes. Now for the first time in decades, the Democrats have handed a Republican president both houses of Congress. They solved gridlock but not in the way that they had hoped.
I was astonished to see Clinton decline to speak to her supporters who had wait so loyally at their campaign headquarters. While she did concede over the telephone to Trump, I thought it was bad form not to come down to the headquarters and address the nation and her supporters. They worked incredibly hard and the loss was a terrible blow for them. They deserved better in my view and I felt truly sorry for both their disappointment and effective abandonment at that moment. Looking at the results coming into the headquarters, it was clear that no further “counting” would change the result as Clinton’s telephone call affirmed a short while later. It is the final obligation of a candidate in a presidential campaign to be with your supporters and show the nation that the transition of power would proceed, as it always has, in an orderly fashion. It was highly ironic given the well-founded criticism of the statement of Trump that he might not accept the results of the election — a view driven home by Chris Wallace (who was the gold standard for moderators in these election debates).
The greatest loser in this election was the mainstream media. As I previously discussed, I believe that Trump did bring much of the negative coverage on himself. However, I saw many journalists discard any semblance of neutrality in their coverage, as vividly shown in Wikileaks emails of coordination with the Clinton campaign. The priority for the media should be a serious reexamination of its coverage in this election.
In the end, the public wanted change and they got it. The fact is that many of the public has long felt that they no longer controlled their government and they were right. That is what makes this so revolutionary and transformative for American politics. Whatever a Trump Administration may hold, it will be shock to the system and that is precisely what tens of millions of Americans wanted.
Karen S. Great post. Sometimes I do make comments that might be received as stupid and smug. I only do that because I believe some of these postings are stupid and smug. Yours was very eloquent and concise. And I also believe very accurate. That was pleasure to read.
Thanks, Bob.
AN AMERICAN TRAGEDY
http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/an-american-tragedy-donald-trump
Trump ran his campaign sensing the feeling of dispossession and anxiety among millions of voters—white voters, in the main. And many of those voters—not all, but many—followed Trump because they saw that this slick performer, once a relative cipher when it came to politics, a marginal self-promoting buffoon in the jokescape of eighties and nineties New York, was more than willing to assume their resentments, their fury, their sense of a new world that conspired against their interests. That he was a billionaire of low repute did not dissuade them any more than pro-Brexit voters in Britain were dissuaded by the cynicism of Boris Johnson and so many others. The Democratic electorate might have taken comfort in the fact that the nation had recovered substantially, if unevenly, from the Great Recession in many ways—unemployment is down to 4.9 per cent—but it led them, it led us, to grossly underestimate reality. The Democratic electorate also believed that, with the election of an African-American President and the rise of marriage equality and other such markers, the culture wars were coming to a close. Trump began his campaign declaring Mexican immigrants to be “rapists”; he closed it with an anti-Semitic ad evoking “The Protocols of the Elders of Zion”; his own behavior made a mockery of the dignity of women and women’s bodies. And, when criticized for any of it, he batted it all away as “political correctness.” Surely such a cruel and retrograde figure could succeed among some voters, but how could he win? Surely, Breitbart News, a site of vile conspiracies, could not become for millions a source of news and mainstream opinion. And yet Trump, who may have set out on his campaign merely as a branding exercise, sooner or later recognized that he could embody and manipulate these dark forces. The fact that “traditional” Republicans, from George H. W. Bush to Mitt Romney, announced their distaste for Trump only seemed to deepen his emotional support.
I think that all of Trump’s negatives were largely offset by the fact that many voters really, REALLY dislike the Clintons.
while in typical NY fashion they seek to fasten blame in rascist terms they forget the percentages of whites, blacks, browns, was not far off from the actual makeup of the country. All the New Yorker did was verify the right of it and the New Yorker an establishment mouth piece punched out their own face.
Very few people like a lack of integrity, lining pockets, and destabilizing opposition through a storefront operation unless they’re soldiers in the mob. I think we’ve all seen enough of the Clintons for a lifetime.
That said, The Donald will be skewered on a daily basis. He’s too dirty to go unscathed in the gauntlet he’s about to enter.
I completely agree, Steve. It’s disturbing when people claim that any criticism of Hillary was misogynistic, etc. It delegitimizes the very real concerns they had.
Strangely, I find myself thinking that the media’s and the general public’s hostility towards Trump may be a good thing, although painful. Professor Turley has written in great length about the abuse of power, rise of an uber Presidency, and the dissolution of the separation of powers. I think we can safely say that the people will take great pains to put a halt to that. We needed that to happen.
Past predicts future. If Clinton had won, we would have had one corruption scandal after another, and more pay to play. Since Trump has won, we will continue to see him buck his handlers and say more bad things, which the world will watch with fascination. His mouth will continue to be his own worst enemy. I don’t expect people to change. That’s also why I couldn’t vote for Clinton.
Karen: “Past predicts future.” Any thoughts on the following comment I found curious from someone who I’ll not name as a courtesy:
“Twice — with the general election of 1928 and the mid-term election of 2006, one party – as so happened, Republicans – gained control of the House and the Senate and the White House (Hoover / #43Bush). What followed was the market crash of Oct. 29, 1929, and bank failures, the official beginning of the Great Depression (1929 – 1941) . . . and the financial crisis of September 2008, signaling the Great Recession, the worst economic disaster since the Great Depression.”
Steve – just as a sidenote, there was a second Depression during Roosevelt’s terms in office. I think they covered it by calling it the Roosevelt Recession. Depressions and recessions are basically cyclical, regardless of who is in office.
Objectively speaking the most useful tool available to destroy the two faced one party system and especially the wicked witch of the left. Mission accomplished. The Bush Romney exposed and trashed and the forces of evil stopped in their tracks. One hundred years of effort from the fascist left left without a clue in their socialist stew God’s in His Heaven all’s right with the world except for dismantling. So far one of the most successful counter revolutions conducted and not one shot fired except the self inflicted wounds into feet of clay and as tnash mentions largely because many voters really really disliked not only the Clintons but their supporters. The leftiset tactic of servile collectives that somehow were still kept divided worked against them and best part is they haven’t a clue what happened. Looking for bullets and tanks in the street all it took was ballot and a boot in the ass. Out out damn socialist fascist spots. Here’s a clorox solution so gargle and whine with some modern lye soap.Then get out. The house cleaning as yet to begin. .
edm – the New Yorker is severly butt hurt.
Paul, I have subscribed to The New Yorker since 1992 and this year did not renew. It was simply too painful to read the takedowns of Bernie and their shameless shillin’ for Hil. I felt bad as I realize it’s owned by Conde Nast and there are many many fine writers who make their living off that publication. Maybe after a year I will re-subscribe. I do miss the articles and short stories.
Autumn – the only things good in the New Yorker are the cartoons. 🙂
With Trump as President, the media will maintain a suspicious distance, both conservative and Liberal, as it should. A hostile media keeps our Presidents as honest as possible.
With Trump as President, the nation will suddenly see the wisdom in the separation of powers, and will be scrambling to re-establish it. I remarked quite a while ago that those who cheered Obama having a pen and a phone would rue the day if Trump was elected, an event I thought highly unlikely at the time. So this will help scale back the uber Presidency that was such a threat to our republic.
I also believe that the Democratic Party discovered to its chagrin that Obamacare was a grave error. I’ve tried at length to explain how seriously Obamacare impacted the finances of the middle class. With the family deductible of $12,000 and the doubled premiums, it was like getting half of a good car, annually. And you still had to pay out of pocket to see any of the good doctors. Top cancer hospitals didn’t accept Obamacare at all. The Democratic Party sneered at complaints as either completely fabricated, or selfish with a disregard for the poor. I warned that when this hit, voters were going to be so shocked and betrayed that they would bring the establishment to task. For years, Clinton claimed this law was just wonderful. And then, suddenly, 3 weeks before the election, she discovered that this was actually a major source of voter dissatisfaction. All of a sudden, about face, Bill and Hillary exclaim that the middle class are killing themselves to try to afford the premiums, and the coverage is declining. Which made it clear that she was lying all those years she told her trusting supporters that it was fabulous. I was never really political before Obamacare, and according to voter polls, I wasn’t the only one galvanized. Getting stuck with about half the cost of a new car every year in added health insurance costs did not sit well with voters.
Then there was all this propaganda that the economy was doing great, while simultaneously the Democrats pushed minimum wage hikes, in order to make burger flipping support a family in a middle class lifestyle. Meanwhile, those of us in the real world realized homeownership was at a 50 year low, almost 60% more African Americans went on food stamps, people were leaving the work force in droves or under employed. Obama had the lowest GDP growth in history. Wikileaks revealed that Bill Clinton said that white Americans’ average lifespan was going down because they had no hope, or any reason to get up in the morning. The jobs market was bad. Opportunities were drying up. So it did not sit well with voters that Obama and Clinton kept lying that the economy was booming.
And then there came the Left’s descent into intimidation and bullying. Unless you were willing to vote for Hillary Clinton, you were deemed sub human. Forget discussing the issues. It was one ad hominem after another against half the entire country. Even now, after the election, rather than submitting to the election as Trump was urged, there are riots, protests, threats to secede, Twitter is full of threats to assassinate him, people are unfriending each other, Trump voters are getting beaten up on video…It appears as if the Left was surprised that the US is still a multi party country. There appears to be a threat if anyone votes for another party. It did not sit well with voters that Clinton supporters started attacking anyone who didn’t want to vote for their candidate as beneath contempt. It especially did not sit well when the party began to be so unpatriotic, circulating memes such as “America First” was racist, people taking a knee during the national anthem, encouraging violence against cops…
Rather than take a good, hard look at why voters repudiated both Democrat and Republican establishment, too many Democrats actually believe that half the country suddenly became racist/bigots/stupid. If they fail to understand what drove this voter reformation, then they will not change.
“half the country suddenly became racist/bigots/stupid.” It wasn’t suddenly. Took about 40 years, with the advent of the Republican Southern Strategy. And the advent of hyper-partisan cable. (Remember the Fairness Doctrine?)
I am curious whether the Republicans will annul all the gay marriages. Or keep young women from traveling abroad, in case they might be trying to get an abortion. Planned Parenthood might get replaced by Forced Parenthood. Since the Supreme Court tries to respect prior decisions, I am also curious how they can repeal Roe v Wade while still respecting it – may take some mental gymnastics.
Economically, raising tariffs and promoting coal mining and relaxing environmental rules will not bring back a robust blue-collar work force. Every company, in the name of “efficiency,” wants to absolutely minimize employee head count. There is an intellectual disconnect because the companies that don’t want to have employees, want to have customers. We may very soon see self-driving trucks on the interstate highways, displacing many thousands of teamster drivers. I will be interesting in seeing how Trump protects these jobs.
“surprised that the US is still a multi party country.” Not for much longer. Republican legislature, Republican President, Republican Supreme Court. Sounds like a one-party country to me.
Sounded that way in 1964, as well.
With the Democrats as the dominent party.
As Don Ameche said, “Things Change”.
We haven’t been multi party for a long time. The ‘Government Party’ meaning the establishment controlled by the left just took a beating in an anti progressive socialsts counter revolution. Enough chose Constitutional Republic over Socialist Autocracy this time. But as of before the election and to some extent still true is the Government party is composed of the Democrats now by their own request Socialists with a right wing of the Republicans in Name Only. All to the left if you think about it. The center is not the center of the left especially now. In a Constitutional Republic it’s the Constitution. Easy way to understand why the RINOs always cave on command.
Originally before there were parties and before the left right system the Right was the citizens in the old divine Right of kings area and that taken from the French Revolution. Self governing citizens were referred to by the founders as the supreme or ultimate power in a self governing system. Too much PC distortion has not been good to those trying to understand WT? happened since 1776. Very short version.
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When Obama had power, he had a sweep, too. Sweeps happen occasionally.
What I’m talking about is different. What I refer to is the threat, or reality, of violence if another party wins the presidency. The threat of violence, or losing friends, families, or jobs, in an effort to make this a single party country. The pressure people will feel as Liberals threaten to label them sub human if they vote for any party other than Democrat. African Americans called traitors or racial slurs if they don’t obediently toe the line.
There’s one party or another coming to power, and then there are efforts to remove one party altogether from higher office, or any influence in Congress.
Well, I have been playing with captions on this picture. I love the body language!
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cw37JsOXgAA9V0c.jpg
Squeeky Fromm
Girl Reporter
Not too much joy in Mudville …..
Squeeky – that is hilarious. Is Donna Rice saying a prayer? =)
Thanks! I bet Donna Rice is trying to think of some way to blame this sh!t on a youtube video.
Squeeky Fromm
Girl Reporter
The main post was a decent analysis.
The comments, on the other hand…
David,
I never read the comments – but just went and checked them out. =) Trite and stupid most of ’em IMO.
J’adore Jimmy Dore.
Trash, good post, well taken. I believe the average American is living something like 10 years longer than in 1965. I agree with you about people who are a generation or two behind us also.
Maybe the Trump win is a good thing for America and the world. We need to be open minded. He is no Kennedy.
Issacbasonkavich, “Our liar beat your liar”!
Issacbasonkavich, in the words of President Obama, “Elections have consequences”!
Family Research Council, Faith and Freedom Coalition, etc.: the floodgates of religious lunacy are open and are sure to flow like never before through all three branches.
Keep thy damn religion to thyself.
Number one there are four branches now. Number Two as long as you are railing against religions how about the secular progressive lunatics.
Yawn and yawn. If you prefer theocracy over secularism try the peaceful Middle East.
The secular progressive lunatics in western Europe seem to be doing pretty well, actually. In truth, there is much less overt religiosity over there than here.
Are you sure they are secular? Europe is not the USA. Even in Europe they are apples and oranges in their differences. And NOTHING is free. Someone always has to pay for it. When the working class revolts from that demand on their earnings we get…..Trump. Ditto Progressivism is not progressive but regressive and under it’s many names Darwinism, Materialism, Liberalism etc etc has much in common with it’s beginnings Marxist Leninism to varying degrees. Not all Socialist countries fall into that trap . I’ve mentioned Norway as one example. Capitalist with a social conscience. and able to be both a debtor nation and a solvent nation at the same time. Greece is the opposite end.
The Affordable Care Act is taking half a trillion dollars out of Medicare and transferring it to Medicaid. I to am in my 60’s. How do you think I feel. When President Johnson got Medicare enacted I was a teenager. I have been paying into this program since I was 15 years old. Now the government wants to take 500 billion dollars out of a program I have been paying into all these years and put it into “Wefare”. This money is to be removed over a 10 year period. Why yes, I do want “The Affordable Care Act” to be removed. If a private sector insurance company did anything like this, the corporate officers would be prosecuted for fraud. President Johnson said this program would be here and be cost effective. Silly folks in the 1960’s believed the politicians.
Independent Bob
– We’re about the same age. When Medicare was passed on 1965, health care costs were about 5% of GDP.
They are currently about 18% of GDP.
The overall cost of living is up about 600 %, 7×, since the mid-1960s. Inflation for health care services is up about 2500% over that same period.
It was anticipated that the 5%
of GDP health care would rise after Medicare immediately enrolled 20 million seniors would rise over time, but not triple quadruple.
But the “apples-to-apples” cost inflation was much worse, when it now takes c.$ 25.00 to pay for what $1.00 bought in medical services 50 years ago.
There’s no easy “fix” for these problems, and I didn’t see very much in either candidates’ proposals that addresses the core problem of cost containment.
So the multi-generational pattern of each succeeding generation paying in more, and receiving less, seems to be on autopilot.
I think those who are a generation or two behind us
will be in much worse shape.
“core problem of cost containment.”
A huge difference between 1965 and today is the percentage of obese people with all the accompanying health costs. Type II diabetes soared in the 80s with the production of “low-fat” diet “foods” and high fructose corn syrup. Ancel Keyes, Earl Butz, and others were complicit in creating this monster. Good Calories, Bad Calories by Gary Taubes is an excellent read about the fat/cholesterol and weight gain hypothesis and resulting ramifications.
Costs would decrease if people stopped eating a Standard American Diet.
I don’t think anyone in this thread has seriously discussed just why it is that medical costs here are rising so fast. And why we in the US spend so much more than the “socialized” countries of Europe, for less result.
Jay S.
I think a big part of runaway health care costs is a lack of any real competition, and a lack of transparency.
When “the insurance will pay, what do I care what it costs” mentality is pervasive, there is no “check” on price hikes.
To this day, few people discuss the “what does this cost” aspect when it comes to health care.
There is probably not another area of the economy where consumers have been conditioned to avoid inquiring about costs, or comparing costs.
I think those factors are primary reasons why the U.S. is looking at out of control costs.
Medicare was a bonanza to the health care industry, and for decades there was no serious efforts to rein in costs.
By the time there are efforts to address hyperinflation in health care costs, those high costs are so embedded in the system that they are very difficult to manage.
Lack of transparency is an issue, as are cya tests, to an extent. However, costs will still rise because even young people are becoming afflicted with diseases that were once the province of older people: type II diabetes, high blood pressure, strokes, liver disease. Incidences of autoimmune diseases are on the rise, as are many other diseases. So much of these problems can be traced back to what foods we choose to eat, though environmental toxins, stress, and other issues are at play, too. The roots of the issue need to be fixed. The rising costs only reflect the deteriorating health of Americans.
We have you just missed it. Socialist countries and Norway was brought up as good example have high tax rates but their system is not socialism but begins with capitalism as the economic mechanism to fund programs or Capitalism with a Social Conscience. Countries like Greece are on the other end of the teeter totter trying for full pay retirement at age 50 or 55 but having no economy to support that then asking the rest of Europe AND the USA to foot the bill.
I have discussed this on other posts, though not recently.
One of the primary factors is the Standard American Diet, as well as the fat/cholesterol cause heart disease myth. Gary Taubes’ Good Calories,Bad Calories traces the history of that hypothesis as well as the physiology.
The costs are not going to go down when kids are dealing with chronic diseases like type II diabetes.
Busy here today, so my post cannot be more detailed.
JayS – There are numerous variables – too many to list. One big problem though is insurance companies which add costs and do nothing for us. I recommend “The Healing of America: A Global Quest for Better, Cheaper, and Fairer Health Care” by T.R. Reid. He also did a PBS special — and surprise surprise they edited it as they receive financing from health insurance companies!
Hey Squeek – you mentioned reading up on world wars. Are you familiar with Barbara Tuchman? I think both “The Guns of August” and “March of Folly” are excellent. Actually the Democrats who are now weeping copiously trying to figure out what happened could learn from the former – the delusions clung to versus reality. But I doubt they will ever read it given they wanted a Warmonger in Chief.
Yes, the Tuchman books are great reading. The history lesson from a bit later (Versailles treaty times), is that isolationism doesn’t work. Just because you want to be left alone, doesn’t mean you will be left alone. One should also read Winston Churchill’s first WWII book, “The Gathering Storm.” The theme of the volume is, “How the English-speaking peoples through their unwisdom, carelessness, and good nature allowed the wicked to rearm.”
Jay, re: “isolationism doesn’t work” Big difference between isolationism and interventionism. Trump may be able to actually negotiate with other states. And stop spending our treasure on the MIC. Isn’t that why Rome failed? Expansion of empire while the country fell apart. I’ve got a beautiful set of Gibbons volumes sitting on bookshelf – one of these days I’ll read them =)
The Gibbons volumes are very handy when you need a heavy clamping weight for, say, glueing things together. Much better than college calculus books.
No. I never heard of her. But I did come across one about the Lusitania, which IIRC you and PaulCS mentioned. Was it by somebody named Larsen?
Squeeky Fromm
Girl Reporter
Squeeky – I can also recommend The Guns of August by Tuchman. Big book, set some time aside. 😉
Paul, I was assigned to read that book while taking a Western Civ class over 20 years ago. I like to read so I thought no problem. BUT the beginning is so overwhelming – all the names, dynasties, connections, etc. I couldn’t get through the first chapter. So, I went and tried to strike a deal with my prof – I’d write two essays on any subject he chose in lieu of reading that book. Dude was a former AF colonel who did not deviate at all from his curriculum so no dice. Read it or fail – those are the choices – and he liked me – so I didn’t take it personal.
I wound up getting the film version which made sense with all the visuals and then sitting down to read the book. And it was amazing. Went on to read other books by her including her autobiography – talk about a tough, intelligent woman! I am still in awe of Barbara Tuchman. Good teachers push their students not coddle them.
And I wish I hadn’t lost touch with that professor!
Autumn – there is a British miniseries call The Fall of Eagles. Except for the House of Windsor all the great dynasties ended with WWI. This tells their story.
One of the major points of The Guns of August was that the European military machines were on autopilot during August 1914, and nothing could stop the trainwreck.
They also did not listen to any reports that contradicted their beliefs just like the DNC inner circle.
In 1914, there weren’t such reports. Everyone in every country thought that war was grand, was a lark, was noble and uplifting, and that casualties would be minimal. And “the boys will be home by Christmas.” Alas, it was Christmas 1918, not Christmas 1914 til it was over.
Pershing and US Troops did not enter the war until 1917 the same year US made a declaration of war. After the 16th and 17th Amendments it was Wilson’s third claim to ignominy but he still started this mess we began to dismantle last night.
US Troops under Pershing entered WWI in 1917 after Congress declared war April 6th. It ended Armistice day 11th second of 11th minute of 11th hours of 11th day of 11th month November 1918.
Trump is a pathological liar. He won’t do most of the stuff he has threatened to do because it will cost him the second term. In the second term he will be dangerous. Then he gets to fix the Supreme Court for generations. For now he will repeal the ACA and blame everything that is wrong on Obama. When some see their premiums come down a little but most see them rise Trump will simply blame Obama for ruining the entire system. The cost of healthcare will rise and the insurance industry will rake in the bucks. He might morph the system into Medicare. Nixon was going to do that. He will mess around with the wall idea but will not triple the ICE agents. That would take two to three billion in extra costs on top of a wall. A wall won’t work; the people who live there attest to that and they are Republicans. An extra 14,000 ICE agents raiding places for undocumented workers won’t sit well with the voters in the next elections. The Congress and Senate will stop Trump from doing anything that screws with their electorate. Trump won’t quit NATO because the military industrial pork system won’t let him; lost jobs means lost elections. Weapons cost money but provide jobs. The US military loves NATO. Trump won’t let the Supreme Court repeal Roe and won’t punish women for getting abortions because that would come back to ruin his chances of a second term. He might shuffle it off to each state and call it a done deal, one of his many promises done. Trump lies to get what he wants. Once he gets what he wants he has no interest in his promises, probably can’t even remember. If Ginsberg can make it another four years then America might have a chance in 2020.
The most amazing aspect of all this is the contradictions within what Trump says. If he does any of what he has threatened, the US worker will suffer. Unemployment has continually dropped. Wages have just started to rise. Minimum wages are slated to rise. American buying power is increasing. When the Peso goes down Mexican goods get cheaper to export and when the US dollar goes up Americans will buy more foreign stuff and other countries will not be able to afford US goods. So, Mr. and Mrs. Salt of the Earth and Forgotten America go down to their Walmart to buy a cheap TV from China and find that they can no longer afford one because it carries an import tariff now and the new fantastic made in the USA ones aren’t as good and cost even more, even though the parts come from China anyway.
Trump will do little of what he said but he will continue to lie like a rug, like the one on top of his head. He will blame everyone else and relabel any Obama stuff that works and call it his own. It won’t be as bad as the mess Bush left but probably worse than the mess Reagan left. People will make less, stuff will cost more, and lots of grunting will go on in the heartland. So, the fox is guarding the chicken coop. Conway will get paid and probably get another job in the White House, somehow getting Americans to pay back Trump for what he spent on the election, times ten.
Please continue to stroke your pathetic popsicle of political impotence.
One day it will not melt in your hand and potentially nurture your ability to grasp reality.
Issac,
“The cost of healthcare will rise”
It will rise independent of insurance issues. Crap diets equal crap health. 50% of kids in poverty are obese, and the numbers of kids with type II diabetes, high blood pressure, and liver disease is rising. That’s gonna increase costs over their lifetime for sure. Chronic disease can be traced back to the Standard American Diet. No amount of insurance tinkering or government takeover is going to change the rising costs.
Radical Reasoning 101 Look in the mirror describe what you see and call the target conservative. No facts, sources, refererences required. repeat three times and if not challenged start quoting yourself Try another reframing St. James of Carville and Yoda Lykoff would not be proud of such a feeble effort.
What you wrote is an exact duplicate of progressivist policy except you forgot attack the senior citizens with inflation, devaluation and debt repudiation .
Feeble. very pathetic.
How come someone else’s post comes out under yiour name for comments?
Michael Aarethun – saw St. James of Carville blovating on TV. He looked ill. Seriously ill. Physically. We know he has mental anger issues.
Yes his wife became a Libertarian and divorced him. He was definitely below par this time around. I guess the mantle of propaganda manager passes to Lykoff. Who else does Soros have left????
Are you replying to me or Issac?
Prairie Rose, re: “Crap diets equal crap health. 50% of kids in poverty are obese, and the numbers of kids with type II diabetes, high blood pressure, and liver disease is rising.”
This is sadly true – one reason is that fresh fruits/veggies, lean meat cuts are expensive. It is cheap to feed kids dollar burgers and sack of potato chips.
I also think it’s ignorance – my parents grew up very poor yet they ate well as their parents fed them beans, cornbread, collards, potatoes, squash, etc. – they got their protein and vitamin needs met. They were also very physically active – paper routes, working in the fields (back then children were allowed to work), doing ironing and cleaning for town folk. Whatever it took to survive.
The values they learned gave them the ability to thrive and be successful beyond their wildest dreams.
My Gen X peeps had it easy yet we also internalized those values and we, too were super active although mostly at play outdoors rather than working =)
It appears that there will be a shotage of grief councilors in our country. Will all of you HRC supporters please relax. I feel Mr. Trump will. Promise a lot and deliver not much. Altogether now take a deep breath, now exhale. Didn’t that feel better. Please take it easy and be composed. Tomorrow the sun will rise and we all will go on with our lives. So think good thoughts and be happy. Best wishes, Bob.
The sun may come up, but the prospect of no Social Security, and no Medicare, gives me the willies. I’ve been retired too long to be able to get back into the rat race.
Just how to you believe no Social Security, and no Medicare? What baffoonery is this? Purely BS. You have no facts to use in spreading this manure.
I’d have to say as a Bernie Beyond Supporter today the biggest loser in all of this is Elizabeth Warren.
The biggest winner is Tulsi Gabbards.
Warren fell under the spell of the DNC Cosa Nostra and now looks like just another, now granted a smart one, but still just a useful stooge.
Tulsi G, on the other hand, looks like a severely principled, younger version of Bernie.Combat veteran btw.
My guess SHE will be the first female POTUS.
I’m disappointed in Warren more than anyone, Loretta Lynch doesn’t count,unfortunately she turned out to be a female version of Alberto Gonzalez and apparently rim jobs for the ruling class come with that job.
See you all in about 4 years.I will enjoy reading the comments all of you provide.
Ciao!
I love Tulsi. Blessings to you and yours!
Thanks.
Tune in to Autumn’s postings, she has been out front for TG since Christ was a child.
Roscoe, you are sweet. Tulsi is a rare bird in DC – she has integrity, guts and chose to serve with her National Guard folks in Iraq. AND she stood up against DWS and HRC. She may be flying under the Democrat banner but she is not like the old crooked corporate friendly olde guard.
She might make a good replacement for Kerry.
The left suffered a crushing blow in the federal elections. Many reasons explain, and not one is the majority reason, but a few encompass my observations below:
Darren: Which if any Democrat would have fared better vs. Trump?
Interesting that HRC got about 400k more popular votes largely I suppose because of the brain dead idiots inhabiting CA.
To me, there is every single reason to discard everything Sanders says he stood for, after supporting HRC. How could he seem so principled yet vote for HRC?
“The democrats nearly completely abandoned rural American culture and values.” I have relatives who live in rural areas, and friends who are urban. A theme I run into often with the rural ones, is their belief that complicated problems must have simplistic solutions. As in “build a wall.” And trying to explain that situations are nuanced, and difficult problems require expertise, is seen as just “arrogance.”
The left was not represented in this election. A Norwegian Conservative legislator stated that Bernie Sanders would fit right in the middle of his party.
du forstar norske?
I didn’t think so
This isn’t Norway
In this country which is NOT a socialist system but a self governing Constitutional Republic as you just found out Bernie was to the left of Hillary.
Norway is a Capitalism Economy with and supporting a social conscience as are most that are wrongly described as socialist. But they pay a high price in taxes nothing is free.as Comrade Bernie and Comrade Hillary would have you believe.
Time to get an education.
the answer to the first question is Nien Norske or if a little lik norsk.
Nei, jeg snakker ikke norsk. Norsk er et kapitalistisk land med en sosial samvittighet. Nien er alegmagne. If you notice my name has two letter Aa beginning. That in Norwegian replaces the vowel ‘O’ in english. which does not exist in their alphabet. Another way is a single A with a little circle at the top. It is not German but is a Germanic Language. I’m third generation on that side of the family. The other side is Limey.
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The difference is tne Scandanavians and the Swiss and New Zealanders recognize socialism is not an economic system that works (aka State Economics) China found that out early in their transistion. They use capitalism to produce the funding and there is no pretense of ‘free’ anything.
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20120920214943AAn0iwO
See this cite and source for a rundown on why Norway has both a national debt and is oil rich nation with a heavy surplus. Bernie should have asked Yahoo before he spoke.
Good analysis, Darren.
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/11/09/dick-bove-for-banks-trumps-election-is-a-grand-slam.html Banksters rejoice with the election of Trump.
Must be a disconnect as why would the banksters love a working class hero.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/private-prison-stocks-trump_us_582336c5e4b0e80b02ce3287 Private prison stocks went up, too. Guess they know Trump is planning on imprisoning a lot of people.
Concentration camps, perhaps?
The Huffington Post wrote that Trump had only a 1.7% chance of winning the election, v.the 98% chance that Hillary would win.
I do occasionally read the Huffington Post, but I prefer the Weekly World News and The Onion for accuracy.
It is amazing that so many prognosticators were so wrong. I wonder what polling techniques will be tried in two years for the next elections?
Jay S.
Yeah, I’ve never seen that many polls that were that far off in a presidential election.
I have a healthy skepticism of media coverage
and of the pollsters, but I thought the polls (mostly) had it right going into this election.
Really an historic upset; Trump himself may have been surprized that he carried virtually every state that he needed to carry.
Pennsylvania was a key factor in getting to 270, and PA. had not gone Democratic since Bush 41 in 1988.
That was discussed in several sites under the general heading of Trumps Phantom Army of voters. The reasons given mirror imaged a real group of phantom voters though Trump wasn’t the reason in this factual case. Voter Pool to Registered to Vote to Registered Voter has seen as high as 50 plus % not participate. Various reasons are given including didn’t agree with any candidate or position on the ballot and no option to vote aainst all was provided to I have no representation and if I don vote they are going to change it tos someone else under winner take all. Some were sick, out of town etc.
Go look at Pew research for a complete study. I’d like to see the breakdown on this years voting public.
But in the meantime the polls did not really know other than the usual party style places and perhaps a few independents who to ask. Big amount left out.
I am in a poll as permanent member on politics and a number of other subjects. We get to suggest such as these unregistered non voters as places they should be looking at. My poll still did not get it right by around five or six percentage points. But they had started developing the source suggested.
Pennsylvania surprised me that’s for sure. i did not realize how far this whole effort had gone but I’m glad we took the trouble to post little stingers like It’s not Trump vs. Clinton it’s Constitutional Republic vs. Socialist Autocracy.
What ever worked worked well and far better than I was prepared to see. In the end before the wifi quit I had it Trump 255 and not getting Pennsylvania or Michigan leaving only Arizona 11 plus New Hampshire 4 ansd the 2 plus 1 plus 1 parts of Maine. i figured he would die with Arizona and one from Maine for 12 and needing 15.
in any case the polling industry has a long way to go to understand human nature. Something the progressives also get wrong. Independent thinkers do not fit in a collective mold as well as they like to believe and by the way we have had a living constitution since 1776. That’s why the fouders put in the amendment system and listed the responsible self governing citizens as the ultimate authority and soure of power. Last night proved that
Stop Enabling
Take Control
Make Changes
Never thought that one would be so well received. it may well be the best bit of creative writing I’ll ever do along with Ballots Not Bullets Two Systems with a two vowel difference.
The country did itself proud. Now it’s up to ‘completely unexpected’ leadership to get it done.
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Time for some sleep it’s founders and source. and proved that with a period. Oh well it’s been a riding high day and now time to crash and burn. Tomorrow we start working on 2018 which is also World Cup year. Who knows I might be a television again just for that purpose.
From a variety of sources
Nearly half of eligible voters (231,556,622 people) did not vote in the 2016 presidential election, according to data of early turnout rates compiled by the United States Election Project and crunched by Josh Nelson. The full results may not be available until two weeks.
The early data found that of the U.S. population:
46.6% didn’t vote
25.6% voted for Hillary Clinton
25.5% voted for Donald Trump
1.7% voted for Gary Johnson
There is no record of those registering but not voting except the total amounts of votes cast.
As of Wednesday afternoon, Clinton was slightly ahead of Trump, 59.6 million votes (47.66%) to 59.4 million (47.5%).
For a more detailed explanation including how direct can be more than electoral
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/11/09/why-electoral-college-landslides-are-easier-to-win-than-popular-vote-ones/
However is supports my earlier statements that the pollsters are often not including an immense source of people who have opted out and Pew has that research done as well.
46.6% not voting includes those that didn’t register and those that registered but didn’t vote. Either way it’s a huge voting pool that only the Trump campaign cared to tap. Biggest reasons were None Given, Not Represented, Didn’t like the candidates or positions We maintained that a significant portion were offered representation with enough reasons to attract some of those who had registered and some of those who hadn’t. I saw no evidence the left went after that pool of voters.
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Which concludes my portion of why the pools were skewed. The pollsters left out too large a group. Trump activists did not. I would suggest the change in campaign managers was behind that move it certainly was no big secret.
In the end though as of midnight eastern 305 to 233 with 306 to 232 Forecast.
Compared to your Baby Black Jesus Obama, President of the all time “most transparent” admin? Let us know when Trump commits extra-Judicial drone murder of a 16 year old American citizen, as did Obama (Anwar Al Awlaki, on Obama’s private kill list).
ABHL (another butt hurt loser) much?
Arnie: did you miss the fact that Goldman Sachs provided Obama with his list of Cabinet appointments (check Wikileaks)? Did you miss the Wikileaks email documenting Hillary’s speech to the Goldman, in which she documents she has two personas, one public, and one behind the scenes promoting the Elite’s plans?
Did you miss that the Koch Brothers supported HRC, as did Bill Kristol, George Will, and other Israel-first war mongers?
Good questions Joseph, as there are really some ‘arrogant, snide postings today from the LOSERS, who think anyone FOR Trump is a deplorable”……………….well, as Obama said: “We Won, and Elections HAVE consequences”………….kind of sums it up for us too Arnie, etal.
I keep seeing the word “arrogant” being bandied about. I am curious just what actions comprise this arrogance. Can someone give a list?
Loser liberal arrogance example: predicting Trump’s failed actions before he is sworn in, compared to Obama, whose list of crimes, lies, and failures could and shall fill books.
Earth to butt hurt libs: Trump is Obama’s legacy and yours. Enjoy it. Own it. Cherish it, don’t hate on it. (I fully admit Obama is Bush’s legacy.) BTW, is your memory too short to remember Obama’s first and primary promise to end the two failed wars started by his predecessor (Iraq and Afghanistan), where US troops still die?
Google images for “Syria rubble” and “Libya rubble” and please explain how Obama is not personally responsible for the death and destruction and human misery there.
Joe –
I would be curious to learn what your prescription for a successful Middle Eastern policy should have been, or should be now. Back then, the rising “Arab Spring” seemed to hold the promise that, with a little help, democratic (small d) governments might take hold. Given that, do you think we should have just disengaged at the time? Should we disengage now? And if we do, what if that enables a resurgent ISIS or similar group to dominate the region?
That’s silly. The Clintons have been the bankers’ best friends, along with Greenspan, Bernanke and Yellen. Trump may be as bad. But we know HRC was in their camp.
There are three parts to the left wing socialist structure. Been that way without significant change world wide since the 1920’s and 1930’s the progenitors were leaders of the various Socialist Parties of the different countries of Europe and of course Reed of the United States at some point in time got involved.
In any case the leader of the Italian Socialist Party is most often given credit for the final setup. Developed while he was preparing to change from leader of the Italian Socialist Party to be Leader of the Italian Fascist Party.A large F denotes the entity or a single active member or active group. A small f is used to denote the basic philosophy. Taking care of that last part fascism states ‘complete control of the population and country by any and all means possible and available.’ The leadership stated the structure would be Statists (Government and Military), Corporatists (only the biggest and most influential namely the banks or investment banks and major corporations or wholly owned enterprises, and union leaders. Not Union members. That leader was of course Benito Mussolini (whose spirit lives today as Benita Pelosillyni.)
Looking at the structure since then there are four or five noticeable branches. Socialist Countries of Europe such as Norway are in fact Capitalist Countries with an agreed upon social contract and social conscience. The USA style used the terms Materialist, Darwinists, Democrats, Progressives, Liberals, Sociaists, Secular Socialists . Other European models dropped the part about ‘agreed upon social contract using a capitalist base to pay the freight such as Greece. China as gone to this system to bootstrap itself up in a mandarin style government based on capitalist economics. The last two are National Socialists (Fascists and Nazis) and International Socialists (Communists.)
Important are the differences between the last two. National Socialism allowed privately owned but completely controlled business with the owner having complete responsibility for meeting the demands of the Government. It’s economic system known Fascist or State Economics is described as thin veneer of caitalism laid as a mask over socialist ecnomics. International Socialist held there was no such thing as private property including the shirt on one’s back and placed overseers in charge of different sections of the economy.
The US style from the beginning moved to a modifed form of national socialist economics.Onlya few concentration camps
Like most systems some forms worked IF they were set up in a certain way most failed. Side note Lenin was asked by Mussollini how to explain Marxist Economics and reportedly was aswered, :You can’t preach it you must teach it as a religion.” Which of course leads to why secular progressivism is consider a form of religion though you can’t teach it any more than Benito or todays follow on Benita could teach. it today.
Looking at the so called students one can see why they cannot act as responsible citizens or adults. The corollary to Lenin’s dictum is some people cannot be taught but only programmed.
There in lies the answer to why the so called right (Republicans In Name Only ) at least until after Jan 20th always cave to the left. They ARE part of the left. I left out the litany of people responsible Wilson, FDR, LBJ, Clinton, Obama to name a few but it explains why they couldn’t and wouldn’t live up to their oath of office. That was intentional. For the students, other than freedom of speech freedoms which they themselves do not offer to others (Seig Heilers everyone) they didn’t take an oath of office. They were just dumbed down and programmed then infected with Mother Gump-itis. Stupid is as Stupid does.
The USA’s secular progressive religions version of suicide bombers but in this case unable to take the final step and solve the problem. Social Warriors? They wouldn’t make a pimple on a battle field rejects ass.
Election Victory Won’t Shield Trump From Legal Woes
https://www.yahoo.com/gma/election-victory-wont-shield-trump-legal-woes-150103210–abc-news-topstories.html
Even as president-elect of the United States, Donald Trump will not be free from the legal and regulatory issues that have dogged him as a businessman and became sticking points in his contentious 2016 campaign.
There’s the civil fraud trial involving Trump University, which is set to begin at the end of this month. The mogul-turned-politician says his taxes, which he has not released publicly, remain under audit by the IRS. And the attorney general of New York has opened an inquiry into Trump’s charity, the Trump Foundation.
The lawsuit involving Trump University, for which Trump is expected to appear in court to answer questions, is one of dozens that he or his associated organizations face.
In that case, the nation’s highest court said that any protections extended to the president in civil litigation are designed to safeguard official acts, not unofficial ones.
“It must follow that the federal courts have power to determine the legality of the president’s unofficial conduct,” the 1997 ruling said.
There’s also the matter of Trump’s international businesses and moves he will have to make to avoid conflicts of interest. The Trump Organization has stakes in existing and prospective real estate projects around the globe.
Presidents in the past have placed business interests in a blind trust to avoid the appearance of a conflict, but Trump has said he’ll simply allow his children to make all the decisions. The family refers to that arrangement as a blind trust, but experts told ABC News it most likely would not fill the bill.
“I don’t see how you have a blind trust when you know what’s in the blind trust,” said Richard Painter, a University of Minnesota law professor who served as an ethics adviser to Republican President George W. Bush. “The appearance is that a foreign government or other foreign organization has influence over the president of the United States through financial dealings with his family, and that would be unacceptable.”
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randyjet,
I am sure the Trump apologists will swoop in soon to castigate me for posting information about his legal woes.
I will stand shoulder to shoulder with you brother, and help you fight off the blood-soaked swarms of Nazis and Reactionaries on this website! Racists, and xenophobes and homophobes, all!
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/grade-point/wp/2016/11/09/mobs-of-tearful-angry-students-protesting-trump-victory-swarm-campuses/
Somebody doesn’t like you left wing fascists …be careful this one sounds dangerous.
I will be back later. My mom says I have to finish my homework. We are coloring in a map of the United States!
Special Ed??? Coloring in a map??? Helping edm??? Oh, I think this is far worse than mere castigation!
LOL!
Squeeky Fromm
Girl Reporter
Squeeky – I have been thinking about getting one of those adult coloring books.
OK, you’re castigated.
If he gets convicted of wrongdoing, he should get what’s coming to him. Unlike Clinton, the teflon… well… we’ll go with “Don,” just to keep it nice.
Election Loss Won’t Shield Clinton From Legal Woes. Even as a former candidate for President Hillary Rodham Clilnton will not be free from the still on going IRS Investigation of the Clinton Foundation, followed by the investigation of misprism of office to a catch all phrase featuring a former FBI Director, a former Attorney General, Huma the Bag Lady and Bill the Messenger Boy. To name a few.
in a way this is playing out perfectly. Can’t pardon someone when no charges have been filed. That comes later about the 21st of January.
and now she can’t give pardons whose going to back her up and whose going to be first ‘after Huma’ to turn states evidence? I’m betting Bubba will be number one in line. followed if not preceded by Comey, Huma Who and Lynch trying for a Nuremberg Defense.
I would still like to know what individual in the State Department’s National Security System office failed to not only give but failed to report the failures. And if the second part is NOT true where’s the evidence, the report the way out for the fool that allowed it to happen and go unreported?
In the meantime Hillary and all her dip supporters are twisting slowly slowly in the wind and all the whining in the world can’t save her now except one individual.
So. Whose first for becoming a government witness.
The line goes round the block. Look for those with panic stricken faces.
Now that Hillary has been thrown off the path to the White House, I wonder if there will still be the same desire to prosecute her? I can see where the Trump administration and Rudy Giuliani might want to do it out of spite, but it is not at all clear that convictions would result.
Actually, many would support his impeachment if it is warranted.
Frijoles
Frijoles and that was spelled correctly however I spelled Clingon wrong and worse misprism – what WAS I thinking? It is “Misprision” definition, a neglect or violation of official duty by one in office. Even for a Clingon it’s also a felony. By the time she and the others pay for their lawyers they really will hve managed to finally leave office destitute. Works for me.
Q: Are you giving odds for likelihood the civil trial judge shall delay or hinder Trump’s Presidential transition by forcing him to personally appear in your hoped for civil trial?
Q: Is “You can sue a baloney sandwich” news to you?
Q: Another butt sore loser?
Hopefully, you will be JUST as concerned that the “For Profit” -Laureate College Inc. that paid Bill Clinton a whopping $17 MILLION to be it’s ‘front man’ from a Shell Corporation that Hillary as SOS, gave them $55 MILLION TAX PAYERS’ MONEY-EVEN THOUGH THEY HAD $4.7 BILLION CORP. DEBT.?????
Look this up and see if you are JUST as pissed, OR will you give the “Criminal-Money Laundering Clinton’s a pass???