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Transgender Texas Wrestling Star Raises Difficult Questions Over Competition Rules For Students On Steriods

There is an ongoing controversy over the new wrestling champion of Euless Trinity High School, Mack Beggs, 17.  Beggs was born a girl but is now a transgender boy taking testosterone as part of his treatment.  However, the UIL Wrestling State Tournament officials decided that Beggs would still compete as a girl despite the fact that he is taking steroids that have bulked him up in a way that would be normally a banning offense.

Beggs is 110 pounds and has been met by some boos by those who view the decision as unfair to the girls who have to play against someone who has added considerable muscle through doses of testosterone.  The decision however was not Beggs but the state’s governing body which requires him to compete as a girl.  The result is a lawsuit seeking to ban Beggs from competition as a girl next year.

The more than 600 Texas school district superintendents voted last year to determine gender by birth certificate — a decision that contradicts NCAA policy and International Olympic Committee guidelines.
The decision on how to handle transgender athletes has presented difficult issues for schools.  It seems that the one clearly wrong answer is to force girls to compete against a player who is taking steroids and bulking up as a transition to a male.  This seems pretty unfair to the female competitors.  That leaves a couple of choices. One would be to require competition as a boy in such cases.  However, there is also the questions raised when a boy transitions as a girl and thus has more physical muscle mass.  Likewise, you could prevent any students from competing while taking steroids for any purpose or at least high levels of steroids.  Yet, such exclusion rules can make will make if clearly more difficult for transgender students who are seeking to participate in sports and clubs as part of their new identity.
What do you think?

167 thoughts on “Transgender Texas Wrestling Star Raises Difficult Questions Over Competition Rules For Students On Steriods”

  2. “The simple fact is, there appears to be no scientific explanation (YET!) for why one person born with a penis believes herself to be a woman trapped in a male body, while others (presumably yourself among them) don’t. Hence, for you to say “neither are true” merely shows your ignorance, since NO ONE—and certainly not you—knows why one penis-sporter feels herself a woman while another does not. ”

    OK, Sasquatch.

  3. I’m very disappointment too few are voting to force Scarlett Johanssen to shower with me.

    1. Steve57 – I am against forcing any woman to shower with you. 😉

  5. Here I was talking about the XY chromosomes, and you about the BS you learned in the adult film industry and gender and ethnic hatred. All of a sudden, when it comes to Bonaparte, DNA matters?

    1. AMEN!!!! Frankly, this takes away from addressing the problems of the few who are actually transgender.

  6. “Beyond that, I’m pretty sure Bonaparte’s DNA could be harvested (if it hasn’t been already by scientists) and that DNA could be compared to the DNA of the current claimant. Case closed.”

    Why all of a sudden, Mark, does DNA matter?

    1. It matters to the extent that the DNA of the actual Napoleon Bonaparte could be compared to that of someone claiming to be Napoleon Bonaparte, and if they don’t match, the claimant would be outed as a fraud. What we don’t know is if there is something in a person’s DNA that predisposes them to be transsexual, so it is something to be researched by geneticists.

      1. Mark – there may be a genetic component to being gender dysmorphic (as opposed to the obvious genetic component of being intersex). That is a separate issue from whether or not it’s a mental illness. There is also a genetic component to depression, bipolar disorder, and schizophrenia, but they are still mental illnesses.

        Why do you feel that gender dysphoria is not a mental illness? The sincerity and intensity of the patient’s belief that they are trapped in the body of the wrong sex is not a reason; it’s a symptom. The possibility of a genetic predisposition is not a reason; again it may be a symptom. Genetics can play a role in many mental illnesses.

        My supposition that gender dysphoria is a mental illness is based on the fact that the psychiatric community considers it to be so, and it is defined as such in the DSM. It is in no way a rejection of the transgender community.

        There may be a reason to remove this identification, but the only argument I have heard for removing it is merely the fact than anything to do with gender should be considered within the range of normal. Gender nonconformity, such as boys playing with dolls, is not considered a mental illness, but gender dysmorphia is.

        A substantive reason for removing gender dysphoria from the DSM may be something that neither of us can define. I do not think that patients should define such a reason, either. They certainly have a say in removing the stigma of gender dysphoria. I no more think a transgender should be stigmatized than I do someone with bipolar disorder. But the intensity of their belief should not force the scientific community to re-evaluate the designation because, by definition, the mind makes it real in many mental illnesses.

        I think that what will determine whether transgenderism can be defined on the range of normal should be whether or not sex reassignment solves their issues. If it does not, and they continue to be plagued with concurrent mental illnesses, high suicide rates, 1 in 5 suffering from regret, and the intense health problems caused by the medications used (http://californiahealthline.org/news/women-fear-drug-they-used-to-halt-puberty-led-to-health-problems/), then the question has not, in fact, been answered for whether we can consider this phenomenon to just be on the scale of normal. And of course, not being “normal” is OK, too.

        1. Karen S: “Why do you feel that gender dysphoria is not a mental illness?”

          Um… because I know approximately 60 transgendered women and men and all of them are perfectly happy living life as the gender they’ve chosen for themselves?

          “The sincerity and intensity of the patient’s belief that they are trapped in the body of the wrong sex is not a reason; it’s a symptom.”

          That sound suspiciously like the argument I’ve heard from tech people when they’re trying to decide whether something that an app or computer program does is a “feature” or a “bug.” And if a transgendered person is happy with her/his current identity, how can that be a “symptom”? If they were UNhappy, perhaps you’d have a point, but the fact that many, many transgendered people are perfectly happy with their existence as their chosen gender suggests that “symptom” has to be the wrong word/concept.

          1. A man might be perfectly happy thinking/feeling he/she is the Queen of England. Happy though he/she may be, he/she has a mental problem.

  7. “Karen S: “Someone with gender dysmorphia feels just as strongly that they are trapped within the wrong gender’s body as someone with body dysmorphia feels their body does not match their internal image… They are utterly, completely convinced. That does not mean it’s healthy, or true.””

    Maybe a point of agreement.

  8. I think it is completely unfair for this person to be allowed to wrestle against other females while she is taking hormones/testosterone. Shouldn’t this be a no-brainer?

    1. Yes, I would think it would be a no-brainer. My son plays Texas high school sports and in order to participate, every year he must sign an agreement to abide by UIL’s non-doping rules, as well as consent to the possibility of random urinalysis. I think the loophole which allows Beggs to compete is that her PEDs were prescribed by a doctor for a reason other than performance enhancement. However, IMHO, the reason shouldn’t matter; it should only matter that she is taking them.

  12. Ones sense of Virtue no longer is defined by the writings of histories moral men, but rather by the ever changing writing of those in black robes . . .

  13. markkernes, you were in what is called the adult film industry. Fine, That’s fine. I have no problem with that. Because a lot of people would consider me larger scum for being Navy. What I have a problem with is this. Living with delusions.

    1. I’m guessing you’ve never experienced the feeling that you were born with the wrong genitalia and sensibilities. I know many people who have—and some of them have done something about it. What you call “delusion,” others call “gender identity.” That you don’t understand that some may have a “gender identity” that doesn’t fit into your preconceptions is a form of delusion itself.

      1. Someone with gender dysmorphia feels just as strongly that they are trapped within the wrong gender’s body as someone with body dysmorphia feels their body does not match their internal image. They will be rail thin and feel adamant that they are obese, or they will feel adamant that they are supposed to have only one leg, or adamant that they must have more and more plastic surgery, unable to see the jarring plastic effects in the mirror. The Cat Woman of Beverly Hills may be an example. There are also merpeople who believe that they are really mermaids, and their silicone tail is a prosthetic for the tail they were supposed to have been born with. All of the above people could still be kind, tolerant, intelligent, beautiful people.

        They are utterly, completely convinced. That does not mean it’s healthy, or true. If gender reassignment surgery makes them completely happy, then I have no problem with that. The question is if it does, or if treating the dysmorphia would be clinically more beneficial. Perhaps the answer is different depending on the patient. Transgender includes people who not only suffer from gender dysmorphia, but also genetic anomalies, such as XXY or chimera syndrome. Those are the truly difficult cases, as doctors used to urge parents to surgically assign such infants whatever gender was easiest to copy surgically. Oftentimes, they got it completely wrong with how the child would identify, with catastrophic consequences for those castrated or otherwise having their genitals removed at birth. The more I learn about this issue, the more I believe they should wait until a child reaches 18 before making any drastic changes, even though it will be harder to pass after puberty. The consequences of making the wrong decision are just too severe.

        2. Karen S: “Someone with gender dysmorphia feels just as strongly that they are trapped within the wrong gender’s body as someone with body dysmorphia feels their body does not match their internal image… They are utterly, completely convinced. That does not mean it’s healthy, or true.”

          HOW WOULD YOU KNOW??? Are you a psychologist? A neurologist? Have you ever had a transgendered person as your patient? Have you ever felt yourself to be a male trapped in a female body (and I did make a couple of assumptions there, like that you aren’t transgender yourself)? Can you say FOR CERTAIN that there’s no biological component to transgenderism? If so, how?

          I find it amazing how many people seem to believe they can speak for the mindset and emotions of a transgender person when their total expertise on the subject is… right-wing religious screeds? Mainstream news stories by similar non-experts?

          The transgendered women (and men) I know are completely happy now that they’ve come out to society as the gender they feel they are, and while there are undoubtedly a few people out there who feel trans urgings and are unhappy because of it, there are MANY who are completely at home with their “real” gender identity that happens not to be the gender/genitals they were born with.

          1. mark – it’s described in the DSM 5 as gender dysphoria. By definition, it is someone who feels that their body does not match how they view their gender. Here is a link if you are interested: http://dsm.psychiatryonline.org/doi/full/10.1176/appi.books.9780890425596.dsm14 or here (https://www.psychiatry.org/patients-families/gender-dysphoria/what-is-gender-dysphoria)

            How do I know there is not a genetic basis? Because a genetic disorder is called disorders of sex development (or “intersex”, the most common of which is Congenital Adrenal Hyperplasia, which will cause an XX female to develop male sex organs. There are a few others. The mistake that parents make is trying to arbitrarily force a gender on these children that are literally receiving mixed signals from their bodies about gender. So, yes, there is a genetic or biological basis for some gender disorders, but it is different from gender dysphoria.

            Here is the definition of gender dysphoria, which specifically requires a feeling of distress associated with their biological gender:

            Gender dysphoria involves a conflict between a person’s physical or assigned gender and the gender with which he/she/they identify. People with gender dysphoria may be very uncomfortable with the gender they were assigned, sometimes described as being uncomfortable with their body (particularly developments during puberty) or being uncomfortable with the expected roles of their assigned gender.

            People with gender dysphoria may often experience significant distress and/or problems functioning associated with this conflict between the way they feel and think of themselves (referred to as experienced or expressed gender) and their physical or assigned gender.

            The gender conflict affects people in different ways. It can change the way a person wants to express their gender and can influence behavior, dress and self-image. Some people may cross-dress, some may want to socially transition, others may want to medically transition with sex-change surgery and/or hormone treatment. Socially transitioning primarily involves transitioning into the affirmed gender’s pronouns and bathrooms.

            People with gender dysphoria may allow themselves to express their true selves and may openly want to be affirmed in their gender identity. They may use clothes and hairstyles and adopt a new first name of their experienced gender. Similarly children with gender dysphoria may express the wish to be of the opposite gender and may assert they are (or will grow up to be) of the opposite gender. They prefer, or demand, clothing, hairstyles and to be called a name of the opposite gender. (Medical transition is only relevant at and after the onset of puberty.)

            Gender dysphoria is not the same as gender nonconformity, which refers to behaviors not matching the gender norms or stereotypes of the gender assigned at birth. Examples of gender nonconformity (also referred to as gender expansiveness or gender creativity) include girls behaving and dressing in ways more socially expected of boys or occasional cross-dressing in adult men. Gender nonconformity is not a mental disorder. Gender dysphoria is also not the same being gay/lesbian.

            While some children express feelings and behaviors relating to gender dysphoria at 4 years old or younger, many may not express feelings and behaviors until puberty or much later. For some children, when they experience puberty, they suddenly find themselves unable to identify with their own body. Some adolescents become unable to shower or wear a bathing suit and/or undertake self-harm behaviors.”

            “I find it amazing how many people seem to believe they can speak for the mindset and emotions of a transgender person when their total expertise on the subject is… right-wing religious screeds? Mainstream news stories by similar non-experts?” I’m not at all speaking for the mindset or emotions or experience of a transgender person. Only a transgender person walks in those shoes. I am literally describing the dysphoria, not what it is like to actually live as a transgender. I recall talking to a transgender woman undergoing the legal process of becoming female in the courts. She was having a very difficult time. The poor thing lived in Kansas and knew not a single soul like her. It was a business call and I caught her on a difficult day.

            “The transgendered women (and men) I know are completely happy now that they’ve come out to society as the gender they feel they are.” It’s always good news when someone finds happiness and contentment. Are they the lucky ones who can pass? I imagine it must be a relief to live as the gender they desire, whether it’s a compulsion or not. Are they completely satisfied with their surgery and completely comfortable with themselves? I hope so. There is a lot of information out there on transgender regret, the myth of transgender regret, and everything in the middle. There are support groups for those with transgender regret, and support groups for those undergoing transition. I do not think that surgical transition is the perfect solution for everyone. I suspect that those most likely to feel transgender regret would be those who underwent it during childhood.

            1. Karen S: You DO recall, I assume, that for many years, the DSM treated homosexuality as a disorder? Having known many transgendered persons, I cannot assume that those who wrote the DSM have any greater insight into the reasons why a person may feel that they were born with the wrong genitals than I could have assumed that they “knew” that homosexuality was a disorder.

          2. Teens and young adults are declaring themselves trans to the point that it is becoming quite the social phenomenon. One of many problems with these “trans-trenders” is that these teens and young adults are getting handed prescriptions for cross-sex hormones without first undergoing any psychological evaluation or counselling. As long as they are 18 and sign an informed consent form to cover the clinic’s butt, they are put on their way to irreversible body modifications.

            Lesbian women are particularly vulnerable to this scenario. As more and more are transitioning under the informed consent model, once the testosterone honeymoon wears off, more and more young women are speaking out about their unwise rush to transition, and their wish to undo the irreversible damage done to their bodies. One detranstioning woman surveyed others in her position, and within two weeks was able to easily find more than 200 young women who at one point considered themselves to be transgender but found that it was not the panacea they assumed it would be. Of the women who had undergone medical treatments to modify their bodies, 65% reported receiving zero psychological counselling beforehand. http://guideonragingstars.tumblr.com/post/149877706175/female-detransition-and-reidentification-survey

            I’m glad your friends are “100% happy,” but the picture is much bleaker for girls such as Mack, and the many other girls who are undergoing transition treatments with little guidance, only instant affirmation of their self-diagnosed gender identity. In some states such as California, Oregon and Illinois, it is against the law for psychotherapists to suggest to children that feelings of being the opposite gender may stem from underlying issues, such as autism, sexual abuse or internalized homophobia, because this is considered “conversion therapy.” That’s right folks, it is against the law for psychologists to try to tease out what is bothering these kids — only instant affirmation and a transgender diagnosis is allowed by law.

            I predict a slew of lawsuits as these kids grow up and realize the permanent physical damage which has been done to them, including irreversible sterility.

        1. Squeeky Fromm, Girl Reporter: “I read that book called, The Man Who Would Be Queen, and about half of the males wanting to become females are just homos who want to be more attractive to a man. There’s maybe 1% of the trannies who have a real bona fide problem, and IMHO, the rest are just a bunch of silly freaks doing what freaks always do . . . be freaks. FWIW:”

          I haven’t read the book; I simply know, and have talked extensively with, a large number of transgendered people, and one thing that’s pretty clear is that ALL of the trans women I know truly feel that they are WOMEN, no matter what their genitalia. Same for the trans men, though I know fewer of them. You seem to be mixing up transgendered people with transvestites—men who dress as women, sometimes to attract gay men for sex and sometimes because they simply get off dressing as women. Transgendered women are very different (though some did start as transvestites): they feel they ARE women, though some are attracted to cis-women (a trans form of lesbianism) while most seem to be attracted to cis-males.

          2. Mark – I don’t think the sincerity or intensity of their belief in their chosen gender is in question. That’s the very definition of gender dysphoria, an adamant belief coupled with intense distress in the biological gender.

            It can be interesting to compare the Hijra of India, who are considered third gender. It’s the only culture that I’m aware of where transgender has been an openly acknowledged phenomenon for hundreds of years. Of course, being that they’ve lived in the Indian caste system before modern enlightenment, they were still discriminated against, and most work as prostitutes. But transgender was out in the open.

            The only reason that I have heard for removing transgender from the DSM is that it involves gender, and anything involving gender or sexuality should be considered along the normal range. But the brain is just another organ. Why wouldn’t it be beyond the pale for an illness affecting our critical thinking to be expressed in gender? And why would sufferers be labeled with any more stigma than those who suffer from depression? There is no move to remove other dysphoria from the DSM, such as those who adamantly believe they are supposed to be amputees. There may indeed be a genetic component. Depression, bipolar disorder, and schizophrenia all have genetic heritability. That does not mean they are not a mental illness. If gender dysphoria is ever removed from the DSM, and I think it shall one day be, it will be because society has accepted it as normal, not because of any scientific reasoning.

            What concerns me is that 41% of transgender attempt suicide, up to 20% regret sexual reassignment surgery, many have health complications due to the hormones and other medications, and up to 90% have concurrent additional mental illnesses. If surgery made them completely happy, and it does for some, then it doesn’t matter if gender dysphoria is a mental illness or not. It would be considered a successful form of therapy to help them assume whatever gender role they want. But clearly they are not doing a good enough job screening surgical candidates. Sex reassignment is not appropriate for everyone who believes they are transgender, clearly. Perhaps this method works with some, but not others, and we are in too much haste to give the patient what they are asking for. Perhaps we just need more time to study this before we can make definitive statements on what works best.

            If 100% of transgender, or as close as possible, had all their problems solved through surgery, then it would be considered a highly successful treatment. But there are enough significant problems that I worry about viewing all transgender as a nail and sexual reassignment surgery as the only hammer in the toolbox.

            1. While the USA doesn’t keep such records (!!!), in the UK, the NHS has reported a huge increase in the number of children seeking services for gender issues. In 2009 they saw 97 children, in 2015 the number of pediatric gender patients seen was 1013.

              Also shocking is that the NHS reports seeing autistic traits in half of these children. Transgender and autism often go hand in hand, although no one is studying this, nor does it appear to be raising any red flags among pediatric gender specialists. Instead, medical professionals push right ahead to transition these kids. Ho hum. Another day of eugenics of the gay and autistic community.

              Business (trans is big busine$$) goes on as usual, and these kids are considered perfectly able to make their own medical decisions, including transition full steam ahead, and the sterility that comes with pediatric transition.

              1. SkepticalMom: “Transgender and autism often go hand in hand, although no one is studying this, nor does it appear to be raising any red flags among pediatric gender specialists.”

                if “no one is studying this,” where do you come up with the statement that “Transgender and autism often go hand in hand”? Doesn’t seem at all obvious to me.

                Beyond that, if a child is aware enough to feel that its gender identity is at odds with the genitalia it was born with, and is ambitious enough to seek to correct that perceived anomaly, aside from suggesting to that child that it give such a move serious thought, and counseling the child on the possible adverse effects, both physical and emotional, of transitioning at an early age, I don’t see what benefit there is **to the child** in preventing him/her from undergoing the transition if he/she wants to do so.

                1. The NHS in the UK is keeping statistics regarding kids who come to them for gender issues, and they have found a large number of these kids have autistic traits. So yes, they are keeping statistics but no one is investigating why such a large number of autistic children believe or feel they are the opposite sex. Instead, doctors forge full steam ahead with medical procedures. In effect they are sterilizing a generation of autistic and gay children because of their clothing, toy and hairstyle preferences. In other words, stereotypes.

                  There is even a young woman with Down Syndrome, who is of legal age but cannot read or write, who has been given testosterone to transition to male. Her mother is also working toward crowdfunding a double mastectomy for this DS patient, despite the fact that she has chronic health problems. This is just so abusive to me. https://gendertrender.wordpress.com/2015/08/21/aydin-olson-kennedy-msw-urges-gender-surgery-for-down-syndrome-child-in-intensive-care-unit/

                  1. SkepticalMom: “The NHS in the UK is keeping statistics regarding kids who come to them for gender issues, and they have found a large number of these kids have autistic traits. So yes, they are keeping statistics but no one is investigating why such a large number of autistic children believe or feel they are the opposite sex.”

                    You know, you really don’t do yourself any favors by citing doctors who want to “cure” transgendered people to “prove” your case: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/12/children-believe-transgender-could-have-autism-says-controversial/

                    1. “You know, you really don’t do yourself any favors by citing doctors who want to “cure” transgendered people to “prove” your case: ”

                      Mark, (

                      In order to solve problems, we must determine (and prove) the cause. Thus, a doctor cannot find a cure without knowing what causes the problem. Why do you avoid this?

                    2. Nancy: “In order to solve problems, we must determine (and prove) the cause. Thus, a doctor cannot find a cure without knowing what causes the problem. Why do you avoid this?”

                      Because maybe, just maybe, there isn’t anything to “cure.” The transgender people I know are happy now that they’ve embraced their sexuality, and while I’m sure there are those who aren’t, the same can be said of any sexual group, from married women who are unhappy with their husbands, to gays who have been convinced by society that homosexuality is bad and therefore wish they didn’t feel as they do… the list goes on. Perhaps doctors would do better to accept people as they are, and help them with whatever problems their patients bring to them.

                    3. The person who originally disclosed the figure that 50% of childhood gender patients who autistic traits is Dr. Polly Carmichael, who is Director of the Gender Identity Development Service (GIDS) for Children and Adolescents at the Tavistock and Portman NHS Foundation Trust in the UK.

                      My concern is not who originated the statistic, but the fact that no one is looking into the link between autism and feelings of being the opposite sex. Instead, autistic children are given medical transition treatments which are irreversible and sterilize them. Autism is no cause for concern among these doctors — only that these kids get pumped full of dangerous puberty blockers and sent down the road to sterility, multiple surgeries, cross-sex hormones and becoming a lifelong medical patient.

      3. “I’m guessing you’ve never experienced the feeling that you were born with the wrong genitalia and sensibilities.”

        Yes. Exactly, would think someone in the adult film industry would have known someone who is fine with their genitalia. I like mine.

      4. If one has delusions one is other than the sex their genitalia say they are, then they need medical help to find out why they are having these feelings and what can be done.

  14. As someone who has known several trangendered people, both men and women, over the past 20 years or so, and who will be attending the Transgender Erotica Awards this weekend, if one thing is clear to me, it’s that transgendered people believe with all their hearts that they have been **born** either male or female, no matter what their physical reproductive organs are. To be clear, they aren’t “pretending” to be the gender they claim to be; their entire sensibilities are shaped by their belief in themselves as the man or woman they continue to identify as, despite their physical structure.

    That said, transgender people are no threat to cis-gender males or females; the overwhelming majority of them aren’t sexual predators or child molesters, no matter what one may read in the right-wing scare sites. I’m not surprised that many people, especially the Very Religious, have a problem with this—but then, such people have a problem with sex in general. What’s sad is that so many of them are in a position to make laws discriminating against trans people.

    1. There are also many people that believe with all their hearts and minds that they were not born to be poor, and that they are entitled to the wealth of others. I can have all the compassion in the world for these people but I am under no obligation to hand them the keys to my house and all of its contents. We are absolutely toast when we start writing laws that accommodate what everyone feels is just.

    2. “As someone . . . who will be attending the Transgender Erotica Awards this weekend”

      You, too, huh?

        1. “I’ll be one of the guys with a camera and voice recorder, though no bird.”

          You’ll need to be more specific. A “guy” as a guy, or as a girl?

              1. Hi Olly!!! And thank you!!! I was just spring cleaning, and catching up on a few books, and taking an Idiot Break. Like that German dude said, “When you debate idiots, the Abbess stares back at you!” Or something like that. Which I never understood because I thought Nietzsche was an atheist, and when would he ever get to stare at Abbess’s anyway??? Unless he was secretly a Catholic maybe???

                Squeeky Fromm
                Girl Reporter

              1. It’s an allusion to lines from the Paul Simon song, A Simple Desultory Phallipic, to wit:

                I been Jenna Jamesoned, Just to name one
                I been Sarah Jay-ded, nude paraded,
                I used my right hand until I’m nearly blind.

                I been Amber Rayned, put on a shelf,
                Because I like to stroke myself,
                But that’s the hand I use, well, never mind!

                Squeeky Fromm
                Girl Reporter

          2. Guess you’ll have the same problem as all those lawmakers who intend, apparently, to station “bathroom police” at school and other public bathrooms, who will apparently be grabbing people by their genitals to see if they’re “approved” to use that particular bathroom.

            1. Mark,
              That hyperbole might sell in the make-believe-world of Adult films but not so much in the real world. Lawmakers have an obligation to craft laws that provide equal protection to everyone. What is the best resolution?

              1. Olly: “That hyperbole might sell in the make-believe-world of Adult films but not so much in the real world. Lawmakers have an obligation to craft laws that provide equal protection to everyone. What is the best resolution?”

                Oh, I dunno—how about EQUAL PROTECTION FOR EVERYONE, including the right to be the gender you feel yourself throughout your entire being to be?

                And guess what? When transgendered actresses and actors leave the movie set, they continue to be transgendered people in their everyday life—and guess what? I defy you or anyone else, if you were to see some of them walking down the street, to determine whether there’s a penis under that dress or a vagina in thos pants! (Without feeling them up, that is…)

                1. The bulk of the transgenders are NOT transgender. They just think they are or want to be something they are not I do not discount there are people who really ‘feel’ they are a gender which does not agree with their sex. They have a mental problem which should be addressed. Just because you believe something does not bestow rights.

                  ….. and let us look out for the rights of the many women (of all ages) and their rights to privacy and safety. I fear the lechers far outnumber the true transgendered population.

                  1. Nancy: “The bulk of the transgenders are NOT transgender. They just think they are or want to be something they are not I do not discount there are people who really ‘feel’ they are a gender which does not agree with their sex. They have a mental problem which should be addressed.”

                    They don’t just “think” they are. They also dress and act according to their sexual identity, and take hormones to make themselves more feminine or masculine, depending on what they’re transitioning to. Just because you, in your ignorance, have decided they’re mentally ill doesn’t make it so. Maybe you should go to a local club and actually meet some of them and have a discussion with them.

                    “Just because you believe something does not bestow rights.”

                    Again, it’s not just “belief.” They are establishing a new identity for themselves, and they have the RIGHT to live in that identity.

                    1. I believe trans people have a right to identify as they please, and to be free from discrimination in the workplace, regarding housing, etc, etc, but “identifying” as a woman does not make a man a woman. Hormones do not change a person’s sex. And what exactly is “acting” and “dressing” like a male or a female? How does a female act? What do women wear? The answer is acting any way and wearing anything under the sun. Women can wear jeans and work in construction. Men can wear a dresses and arrange flowers. Trans people are fixated on stereotypes. People act like transgender is so progressive but it is actually regressive and relies on sex stereotypes.

                      Transgender males claim to be women and are taking rights away from women. Lawmakers, mostly men, don’t seem to mind — it’s almost as if “real men” don’t want men in dresses in the bathroom with them. Men seem more than happy to push these guys on us. Women are being told we must give up our private accommodations for men. Also, women and girls lose from both sides when testosterone-fueled females and men on estrogen both get to compete in female athletics classifications.

                      Women have fought hard for what they have but now men in dresses are trying to take it away.

                    2. Nancy: “And what exactly is “acting” and “dressing” like a male or a female? How does a female act? What do women wear? The answer is acting any way and wearing anything under the sun.”

                      Do you not understand that most people, likely yourself included, subtly (though often overtly) exude their perceived gender with many, MANY actions and interactions they engage in over the course of a day? So OF COURSE people treat you as the gender you perceive yourself to be. But not everyone feels as though their genital gender matches up with their psyche, and some of them actually have the courage to change their gender identity and dress and behave as they feel inside—and many of them are so good at it that virtually no one can tell, when they’re in their makeup and dress as they feel makes them comfortable, that they aren’t the gender they appear to be. I posted a link in one of my responses to the trans woman Aubrey Kate, and I defy you to look at that photo and see her as a male.

                    3. Mark Kernes, “gender” is just sex stereotypes. Because someone dresses or behaves in a way that society considers unusual for their sex (a man wearing makeup and a dress) doesn’t mean the person is actually the opposite sex. If a woman doesn’t wear dresses and makeup she is still a woman. Plenty of people do not fall in line with sex stereotypes; it is not at all unusual.

                      The word “woman” has a very specific meaning: an adult human female. That’s it. The definition of “woman” has nothing to do with dresses, makeup, hair, feelings, personality, disposition or hobbies. There is no such thing as a male woman.

                      Bathrooms and sports are segregated by sex, not by gender (stereotypes), not by clothing or hairstyle, not by some mysterious internal “essence” or feeling. Women’s rights are for women. Women’s liberation is for women. Men who wear makeup and dresses are imposing themselves upon spaces and movements set aside and created exclusively for women and girls. Men are taking places in women’s shelters — places that are created and set aside for actual women. Men are taking places on NCAA and Olympic women’s sports teams — places that were created and set aside for actual women. The list goes on — scholarships, jobs, women’s colleges, etc. Men who are fully anatomically male are even taking low-cost gynecological appointments from low-income women whose bodies have the correct parts to undergo a gynecological examination.

                      You seem very hung up on what these men look like. It doesn’t matter what they look like. They are adult human males, not adult human females. If men in dresses do not feel safe using the men’s bathroom, they need to fight for their own bathrooms, just as women did 100 years ago. But no, they don’t want their own bathrooms, or their own sports classifications, or their own movement. They are offered gender neutral bathrooms time and again but turn them down; they could fight for their own sports categories and start their own movement. But they only want to wedge their way into women’s spaces, women’s sports, feminism and ride the coattails of the gay rights movement.

                      I have a feeling you are going to come back pointing out yet again that these men appear female and wear what is considered stereotypical women’s clothing. You’ll show me another photo and say “but look at him, he looks like a woman.” And tell me he really truly “feels” like he is a woman. And I will come back again that clothing, makeup and surgery doesn’t make a person a man or woman, nor does a feeling. Also, in person, women can usually clock one of these guys very quickly. Men seem to fall for their superficial outward appearances more easily than women do. Perhaps it is some sort of Darwinian protection for women.

                      I wonder if perhaps you are letting your physical attraction to these male porn stars blind you from seeing that they actually are men.

                    4. SkepticalMom: “The word “woman” has a very specific meaning: an adult human female.”

                      So YOU say—but this happens to be the 21st century, and lots of things have been redefined over the years, “marriage” being just one of them. A person who FEELS (yes, FEELS) to the very core of her being that she is a woman, IS a woman, as far as society is (or should be) concerned. She dresses (for the most part) like a stereotypical woman, her hair and makeup are the same as a woman’s, her sensibilities are those of a woman, her inclinations are those of a woman, and to the extent possible, she is changing her physiology with hormones and sometimes even surgery to become the woman she knows to the core of her being she is—and of course, you will seize on the phrase “same as a woman’s” to once again claim that, because of her genitals, she is NOT a woman, but you would be wrong—and since you have never experienced being another gender than the one you were born with, there’s apparently no way you can understand that—unless, of course, you had an open mind, but sadly, that ship has apparently sailed.

                      SM: “Bathrooms and sports are segregated by sex, not by gender (stereotypes), not by clothing or hairstyle, not by some mysterious internal “essence” or feeling.”

                      Bathrooms are segregated by CUSTOM; in some other countries, men and women have no problem sharing such facilities.

                      “Men who wear makeup and dresses are imposing themselves upon spaces and movements set aside and created exclusively for women and girls. Men are taking places in women’s shelters — places that are created and set aside for actual women.”

                      Well, if a transsexual woman has been beaten up by someone who, for example, shares your bigoted sensibilities, she deserves a place in a women’s shelter—and when you realize that transsexuals make up something like ONE PERCENT of the population, and the number who may need the protection of a woman’s shelter must be far smaller than that, sounds to me as if you’re making a mountain out of an anthill.

                      “Men who are fully anatomically male are even taking low-cost gynecological appointments from low-income women whose bodies have the correct parts to undergo a gynecological examination.”

                      BWAH-HAH-HAH! Seriously: I would love to know what drugs you take that inspire such creative delusions.

                      SM: “You seem very hung up on what these men look like. It doesn’t matter what they look like.”

                      Correct. It’s what they feel and believe themselves to be.

                      SM: “If men in dresses do not feel safe using the men’s bathroom, they need to fight for their own bathrooms, just as women did 100 years ago.”

                      Except as far as they are concerned, they ARE women, in dress, in sensibility, in feeling—and if they were to go into a men’s room, chances are good that they would be attacked, first with sexual assault/rape in mind, and then when the penis is discovered, attacked because they are a sexual minority. Apparently you have no problem with that because after all, as black people have known since time immemorial, until the Supreme Court changed all that in the 1950s, “separate but equal” is just as good as having actual human rights.

                      SM: “I wonder if perhaps you are letting your physical attraction to these male porn stars blind you from seeing that they actually are men.”

                      Actually, they’re generally offered the janitor’s bathroom, or perhaps the one in the nurse’s office, as happened with Gavin Grimm, whose case is currently before the U.S. Supreme Court, if they’re offered separate facilities at all. Mostly, they’re told to use the bathroom that corresponds to whether they have a penis or a vagina.

                      SM: “But they only want to wedge their way into women’s spaces, women’s sports, feminism and ride the coattails of the gay rights movement.”

                      Can’t you get it through your head that they simply want to be accepted as the women they know themselves to be in every fiber of their being?

                      SM: “I wonder if perhaps you are letting your physical attraction to these male porn stars blind you from seeing that they actually are men.”

                      I wonder if your (and I admit I’m surmising here) provincial upbringing and pseudo-religious morality blinds you to the fact that times are changing, human rights are changing, definitions are changing—and that in the modern world, many people actually care about the fact that some people are different, and while they may not be very familiar with those differences or even understand them, they can nevertheless accept them in a “live and let live” sort of way.

                    5. We will never agree on this issue.

                      You live in a fantasy world if you think that men become women simply be believing they are women. The definition of the word “woman” has not changed; this is why there is a separate word, “transwoman,” to describe males who identify as women. And no, I am not religious. I am a “live and let live” sort of person. I am fine with men wearing dresses, high heels and other stereotypical trappings which fulfill modern-day society’s idea of “femininity.” However, these men aren’t women, and they need to admit that. It is reality, after all.

                      By the way, there are no reports of transwomen being assaulted in men’s bathrooms, but many reports of transwomen being assaulted in women’s bathrooms. Men’s bathrooms are safer for transwomen. When protective husbands, fathers and even male bystanders see a male go into a women’s facility, the husbands and fathers go in after the transwoman, and that’s when the trouble happens for transwomen. They should stick to using men’s facilities.

                    6. SM: “You live in a fantasy world if you think that men become women simply be believing they are women.”

                      Well, if I’d made that argument, you might be right. But the transgendered women (or transwomen, if you prefer) I know are taking hormones to increase their femininity, wear makeup and style their hair to appear as women, get electrolysis to remove unwanted hair in places where males would grow hair and ciswomen wouldn’t, and generally carry themselves as women. That’s one hell of a lot more than your cavalier assertion that they “simply believe they are women.”

                      SM: “I am a “live and let live” sort of person. I am fine with men wearing dresses, high heels and other stereotypical trappings which fulfill modern-day society’s idea of “femininity.” However, these men aren’t women, and they need to admit that.”

                      Indeed; they are TRANSVESTITES. Transvestites are different from transgendered women in several ways, some of which I mentioned above.

                      SM: “Men’s bathrooms are safer for transwomen. When protective husbands, fathers and even male bystanders see a male go into a women’s facility, the husbands and fathers go in after the transwoman, and that’s when the trouble happens for transwomen.”

                      The only way “husbands and fathers” would know that this person:

                      http://www.flickriver.com/photos/otolaphoto/25288961770/

                      is transgendered would be if they had x-ray vision. Now, not every transwoman looks as feminine as Aubrey does, but many do, and the only place where they would be relatively safe from attack would be in the “ladies room.”

                    7. “some of them actually have the courage to change their gender identity and dress and behave as they feel inside”

                      Would that they would have the courage to seek help to find out why they feel the way they do.

                    8. Nancy: “Transgender males claim to be women and are taking rights away from women. Lawmakers, mostly men, don’t seem to mind — it’s almost as if “real men” don’t want men in dresses in the bathroom with them. Men seem more than happy to push these guys on us.”

                      I’m sorry; are you nuts? Have you been completely oblivious to the number of states and municipalities that have passed or are planning to pass laws prohibiting transgender women from using the “ladies room”, even though they appear as women, but because there’s a penis under that dress (or jeans or whatever)? The idea that trans women are taking away your rights, and that politicians like, oh, Jefferson Beauregard Sessions or Tom Cotton or Tom Price are actually helping them do it, in perhaps one of the most absurd notions I’ve seen expressed in this thread!

                    9. “I’m sorry; are you nuts? Have you been completely oblivious to the number of states and municipalities that have passed or are planning to pass laws prohibiting transgender women from using the “ladies room”, even though they appear as women, but because there’s a penis under that dress (or jeans or whatever)? The idea that trans women are taking away your rights, and that politicians like, oh, Jefferson Beauregard Sessions or Tom Cotton or Tom Price are actually helping them do it, in perhaps one of the most absurd notions I’ve seen expressed in this thread!”
                      ———————
                      I see you still have the need to be denigrating. All those laws are being planned or passed because our last President chose to bypass Congress, and write an Executive Order which would require women to open their bathrooms, locker rooms, etc to men who claim to be women. It appeared little thought went into those little things we like to call unforeseen consequences. Problem is normal vetting with pros and cons could have quickly uncovered these consequences. Women look at this as a matter of invasion of privacy and of security.

                      Barack Obama thought he could force a change in the culture of this country. He seems perfectly happy to claim those who disagreed were not enlightened and were bigots.He seemed not to give a damn what anyone else thought or why. No respect for anyone else and yet he expected all to respect his actions or be deemed a bigot. One would expect a person with a law degree to have some knowledge of the history of law and know the legislating of culture and of mores never produces the hoped for results.

            2. Texas is fixin to get a bathroom bill through the leg. The NFL, the NBA and a bunch of other organizations are threatening them but I bet they go through with it. Then the boycotts will start much as they did in NC. These people are always hatin on somebody.

            3. We’ve been going to the bathroom for how many centuries? Like normal people. And Barack Obama issues a fatwa a couple of months ago, and Trump rescinds it, and it, and it’s the effing end of the world?

                1. The government had no business regulating which toilet citizens should use. Is there anything politicians do not want to micromanage and control? I don’t see a legitimate state interest in deciding social issues. What’s next mandatory bidet use?

                  1. I also might add that as soon as politicians started wading into this matter it turned into a great mess. This is what happens when it becomes involved in matters it shouldn’t .

                2. The heck of it is that a person who is dressed per the gender of the bathroom can enter with no problem. No one would say boo.

                  1. Nancy: “The heck of it is that a person who is dressed per the gender of the bathroom can enter with no problem. No one would say boo.”

                    Well, I’m glad you think that a trans person who very much looks the gender they have become should be able to use the bathroom associated with that gender—but you DO understand that in some states, they would be breaking the law? Glad you’re okay with that! For me, I think such laws need to be repealed.

        2. Try to put it in terms i can understand. Is an engineman qualified to tend an engine on a ship because she self identifies as an engineman? Maybe I want to self identify as a C-17 pilot. Does that make me one. Would you like me flying your jet? I’m Bigfoot. Now Bigfoot exists.

          1. Sadly, I don’t think there’s any way I can “put it in terms [you] can understand” if you can’t tell the difference between someone, no matter what gender, who is qualified to tend an engine or fly a C-17 and someone who isn’t.

            1. Yes it it precisely because I can tell. And I can put up with you thinking I’m cruel I’m not. In any other circumstance you would agree with me; this person needs help.

    3. It’s true that many transgender people are very kind. Some are content and happy with their bodies post transition, some can pass really well, and others never are comfortable with the results.

      As for the predator concerns, male rapists are, by definition, hideous people. I think they take advantage of loopholes intended to help the transgender more than real transgender people would.

      The concern is transgender competing in sports, where either a biologically male body or a female on steroids would both confer an unfair advantage in competing against women. On the one hand, it’s sad if a transgender could no longer compete in sports, but if she did, it would be sad for all the other cis gender girls who would be competing against a much stronger biological male. Sometimes, there’s no way to solve the problem so everyone is happy.

      There is also intense debate about transitioning children. The surgery and hormones have lifelong health adverse effects, and around 75% of children who identify as transgender reverse that decision by the time they are 18…which would be quite unfortunate if they went through sex re-assignment surgery or took hormones to stop puberty. Then they have to live with life long consequences of a decision they no longer want. On the other hand, these kids still need our support and tolerance, as well as protection from bullying.

      1. People with chromosomal anomalies (intersex persons) are different than transgender people. Those who are intersex have a true physical birth defect (although there are a few intersex people who also consider themselves transgender). A few examples of intersex conditions are Turner Syndrome, Klinefelter’s syndrome and congenital adrenal hyperplasia.

        Transgender people typically are those with healthy bodies who wish to be the opposite sex, or believe they are the opposite sex, or feel compelled to take drugs and undergo medical procedures in order to resemble the opposite sex.

        I agree that kids shouldn’t be surgically or medically altered and should wait until they are adults to look into what sort of procedures they might wish to pursue — this is my belief whether kids have a health condition or whether they have a desire to be the opposite sex. Alice Dreger has written a terrific book, “Galileo’s Middle Finger,” that touches on intersex kids undergoing surgical procedures before they are old enough to weigh in.

        Personally, I see the medicalization of kids who don’t conform to sex stereotypes as a huge red flag. I predict lots of malpractice lawsuits in the future, once these kids grow up and realize what was done to them. Doctors admit medically altering “transkids” is uncharted territory and they simply don’t know what the outcomes will be. Statistics show many of these kids will grow up to be gay if left alone. Instead, they are being given dangerous drugs, used off-label, untested for safety in children. Why not just let them grow up to be gay? Why not let a little boy play with Barbies and princess crowns? Why not let a girl sign up for football? Drugging and surgically altering kids for reasons such as toy, hair and clothing preference (or fear they’ll be gay adults) is criminal.

        Lupron (puberty blocker) is proving to be quite dangerous: http://californiahealthline.org/news/women-fear-drug-they-used-to-halt-puberty-led-to-health-problems/

        Problems with the business of pediatric gender transition: https://4thwavenow.com/2015/07/03/kingpins-of-pediatric-transition-confess-we-have-no-idea-what-were-doingunf/

      2. Karen – I have no problem with transitioning, however, I think it should only be done by adults.

      3. Thank you Karen S for a brief reprieve of civility and intelligent viewpoint.

      4. RE: Children. Their hormoneave not kicked in. Perhaps mama didn’t get the baby she wanted and is shaping the mind? This, IMO, is child abuse. If a child is born with genitalia of both sexes, then, yes, surgery should be a consideration but for these 5, 6, 7 year olds ……………..NO!!!!!

  15. I think they are floundering around trying to catch up.

    There is nothing that anyone can do to take away all the negative aspects of being transgender. You can have the best work done in the world, and yet you will probably be the most lonely person in the world. Even drag queens are still just ultra feminized gay men. But who dates a transgender woman? A gay man would be attracted to a man. A straight man would usually have issues with dating a man surgically enhanced to look like a woman. A straight woman would want a straight man. And a lesbian woman would want a woman. And to top it all off, transgenderism is a type of body dysmorphia, where you feel like your body doesn’t belong to you. It’s listed as a mental illness. And it is not associated with sexuality. So to really confuse things, a man could become a transgender woman, but still want to date women. They have got to be the loneliest people in the world. They now have support groups, which is helpful. But it is never going to solve all their problems. Plus all the steroids and hormones come with health problems.

    And playing in sports is another problem. It is patently unfair to expect girls to compete against a girl bulked up on steroids while transitioning to male. Nor is it fair to expect a man taking hormones to transition to female to compete against women. It’s not fair. It may not make everyone feel great, and the transgender athletes get left out, but it’s not fair to expect a biological male or a female on steroids to compete against girls. That defies Title 9, I believe. So in my hypothetical example, the transgender female really might not be able to play on the girls’ team, because her biological male body gives her an unfair advantage, no matter how many hormones she takes.

    There are many types of body dysmorphia, but this appears to be the only one that is enabled. There are also dysmorphia that cause people to believe they should be amputees, or that they will always be too fat, or that they were supposed to be black or Native American, trapped in a Caucasian body, or those addicted to plastic surgery who cannot see that they look like a nightmare. These are all mental issues, but our society has chosen to enable transgender body dysmorphia. It’s your body, and you can do what you want with it. My concern is that they are getting a false promise of happiness. That if they only feed their disorder enough, with enough surgery and hormones, they’ll finally feel all better. But what if a 60 year old Caucasian man is 6’5″, and he feels like he’s supposed to be 24, Hawaiian, and petite. What’s he going to do to finally feel like his inside matches his outside? At some point in the process, he’s got to accept himself.

    I have the greatest empathy for transgender people. Their life can be very hard, and they need our support. I worry that the path we’ve chosen to handle this may be harmful, or perhaps we should leave kids alone and save the permanent changes for adults.

    1. I have empathy for transgender people as well, but it is wearing thin. You ask who male transgender people would date, when they are feminized men who are still attracted to women? The answer, they believe, is lesbians. These dudes (with penises, mind you) attempt to pass themselves off as lesbians. Many of them spend a good deal of time bullying lesbians for rejecting them sexually, and/or pressuring and cajoling them into having sex with them. Transgender males call this phenomenon of lesbians rejecting them sexually the “cotton ceiling” because — by jiminy — they just can get past these women’s cotton panties in order to have sex with them. Yes, lesbians are “transphobic” for rejecting men sexually.

      It sounds like a joke, but it’s not. And don’t even get me started on males wanting access to women’s bathrooms, showers, locker rooms, hospital rooms, changing rooms, homeless shelters, etc. I do feel for transgender people but the rape culture, bullying and constant whining about “transphobia” when they don’t get every little thing their way has got to stop.

  16. “Transgender Texas Wrestling Star” are four words that up until a couple of years ago I never thought I’d see in a headline.

  17. If I say I am a girl then, I AM A GIRL!!! And if you question this is any way whatsoever, you are an evil, racist, sexist, bigot who deserves to be hunted down and FIRED from your job. Where is the $PLC, when we need them?

    NOW, where is that shower where I can find Taylor Swift? Since I am a “girl”, I want to take a shower with Taylor Swift!! Katy Perry would do in a pinch.

    antonio

      1. If I sincerely, truly believe I am a woman, you will call me a hero deserving of special protection.

        If I sincerely, truly believe I am Napoleon Bonaparte, you will call me crazy.

        Of course, neither are true, no matter how sincerely I believe either.

        The difference is the former are politically connected and have powerful friends who will destroy those who dissent (think $PLC). The later do not.

        (((Mark Kernes))), oh, what a surprise! Not for those with eyes to see.

        1. antonio: “If I sincerely, truly believe I am a woman, you will call me a hero deserving of special protection.

          “If I sincerely, truly believe I am Napoleon Bonaparte, you will call me crazy.

          “Of course, neither are true, no matter how sincerely I believe either.”

          The simple fact is, there appears to be no scientific explanation (YET!) for why one person born with a penis believes herself to be a woman trapped in a male body, while others (presumably yourself among them) don’t. Hence, for you to say “neither are true” merely shows your ignorance, since NO ONE—and certainly not you—knows why one penis-sporter feels herself a woman while another does not.

          On the other hand, it’s pretty easy to determine whether a person believing himself to be the legendary historical figure Napoleon Bonaparte is or is not that person. For example, we know Bonaparte lived more than 200 years ago, and as far as we know, no human being lives for 200 years. Beyond that, I’m pretty sure Bonaparte’s DNA could be harvested (if it hasn’t been already by scientists) and that DNA could be compared to the DNA of the current claimant. Case closed.

          And by the way, most transgendered persons don’t consider themselves “heroes.” That’s just your projection of the mindset of people who are more knowledgeable than yourself.

          1. markkernes – there are so many Napoleon Bonaparte candidates, they will soon run out of DNA samples.

          2. A medical test is also a very easy way to determine if a man who “feels like a woman on the inside” is really a man. XX chromosomes = female, XY = male.

            Expecting people to believe that some inner essence or “feeling” makes a person the sex they are, rather than their chromosomes, is basically asking someone to accept as truth any random religion. Transgender is suspension of disbelief, an ideology we must all go along with. What does it feel like to be a woman? How would a man know what it feels like to be a woman? What does it feel like to be a man? How would a woman know that? What if I have the same “inner feeling” as Bob next door? Does that mean I’m a man, or that he is a woman?

            Enjoy your autogynephilia conference.

      2. Not sure she does, but I sure like the idea. And if claiming to be a “girl” would put me closer to that goal, count me in.

        1. antonio – this is kinda stalker-like. I think katy perry has ‘people’ who take care of people like us. 🙂

  18. In the words of the Rolling Stones, you can’t always get what you want. If the girl didn’t get her wish to be born a boy, and so takes anabolic steroids in an attempt to masculinize herself, then that choice should put her out of competing against girls who are not taking performance-enhancing drugs. This girl can’t have it both ways. She can make a choice to compete, dope-free, as a girl, or make the choice to bow out of competition.

    I don’t mind her competing against boys, other than that solution opens up a case for boys to compete against girls. But taking estrogen does not put males on the same athletic playing field as females — males still have an advantage, and it is not fair for “feminized” males to compete against females.

    Unfortunately, transgender is the SJW cause du jour, and whatever trans wants, trans gets. Fully intact (with a penis) male prisoners who claim to be female are incarcerated with women in a Fort Worth TX federal penitentiary, and have threatened to rape female inmates who are forced to shower and undress with these males. However, the women’s fears have been dismissed as “unwarranted” by the attorney for the men, who works for the shameful National Center for Lesbian Rights, which does not represent lesbians at all, but rather represents transgender males who claim to be lesbian. Lesbian rights for men. Yes, this is the world transgender people are trying to force us to live in.

    The recent USPATH (United States Professional Association for Transgender Health) conference recently excluded research from being presented at their conference because transgender people were upset that the findings didn’t toe the party line that transitioning children is wonderful and safe and no one ever regrets it. Yes, the mentally ill patients were able to silence the professionals at their own convention. But of course the professionals pushing medicalized body modification for children were easy to manipulate, as they are making money hand over fist and do not want the research to get out, either. https://thefederalist.com/2017/02/27/threatening-violence-trans-activists-expel-un-pc-research-medical-conference/

    This insanity needs to stop. I am a lifelong liberal but this issue is causing me do an about-face, as it is incredibly harmful to children and erasing women, yet anyone who questions it or speaks out against it is branded a hateful bigot.

    1. One of the most sensible things I have heard a liberal say in a long time. Thank you!

    2. Good for you for waking up!

      Next, please consider how one can not be for a living wage, and at the same time for massive illegal immigration. The two are pretty much mutually exclusive.

      Squeeky Fromm
      Girl Reporter

  19. With the states unequivocal imprimatur it’s not just OK to ‘Dope’ ones-self to compete, but rather a requirement to be competive

    1. Just Some Guy – there is an excellent documentary on sports doping at the Olympic and professional level on Hulu. Well worth seeing.

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