With Friends Like These . . . : Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov Denies Trump Ever Discussed Comey . . . After White House Officials Confirm That He Did

President Donald Trump is finding friends in all the wrong places this week.  Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov seemingly came to his defense by outright denying that he and Trump ever discussed the Comey firing in their controversial visit to the Oval Office.  After all, who are you going to trust if you are not going to take the word of dictator-loving, soulless apparatchik serving Vladimir Putin?

White House officials defending Trump insist that he made the statements to get “concessions” from the Russian or make them feel beholden to him.  National security advisor H.R. McMaster insisted that such comments were meant to reassure the Russians in their discussions with the President.  Instead, Trump himself was criticized later for not only calling Comey a “nut job” (and saying his firing took pressure off the Russian investigation) but for revealing highly classified information  received from Israel.

Lavrov however has now insisted that “We did not touch on that topic at all.”  Well at least the disconnect between the Russians and the White House in the aftermath of the scandal show no signs of coordination or collusion.

Someone might want to send a note to Russia that this type of help is . . . well . . . not helpful.

103 thoughts on “With Friends Like These . . . : Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov Denies Trump Ever Discussed Comey . . . After White House Officials Confirm That He Did”

  1. The “Comey is a nut job” comment is not subject to criticism on any ground relating to national security; it was merely a stupid thing to say.

  2. Is this seeming Trump/Lavrov disparity akin to Hillary Clinton falling on her face in the gutter as her handlers explain, “it’s just a case of the sniffles?” “Are you going to believe me or your lying eyes?”

    Or how about that pitiful, bizarre and conflicted James Comey who provided overwhelming probable cause for the case against Hillary and then preposterously stated that Hillary had no “intent” which was not required by the law? What a nut job. What IS your duty Mr. FBI Director?

    With friends like Seth Rich…the DNC imploded. Incidentally, there is an actual, real crime that is not being investigated. I wonder why.

  3. Can someone please explain in detail the deals that the Trump family got from the Saudies? I really would like to know what they got.

  4. Niebuhr rejected moral absolutes, believing they were beyond reach and that their pursuit could lead humans into sinful pride.

    Does this article explain the behavior of an FBI Director pursuing justice according to the law, which is his duty, or justice according his own interpretation of the law? It would seem Comey’s own sinful pride shunned the moral/legal absolutes the law requires in the pursuit of justice for his moral/legal relativistic view of what justice is. How else does one explain his perceived power to know the INTENT of someone violating the letter of the law?

    http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2017/may-web-only/theology-of-james-comey-fbi-niebuhr-trump.html

    1. The corrupt Trump administration is still changing their story about Comey..

      1. The corrupt Trump administration is still changing their story about Comey..

        What evidence of corruption are you referring to? What evidence do we have at this point of what the Comey story actually is?

          1. But my hunch is that it’s a bit more than that.

            Okey dokey. “Your honor, I have a hunch that man is guilty”; “Counselor, right now I have a hunch you’re an idiot!”

  5. This whole shebang is like that game of Chinese Whispers,Telephone, [or sooo appropriately, RUSSIAN SCANDAL!!!*] where Person 1 whispers something in Person 2’s ear, who whispers in Person’s 3 ear, and so forth until by the time Person 10 tells what he heard, it is an entirely different story.

    Let’s examine the “After White House Officials Confirm He Did” part of the chain. Here is what I have found to that so-called confirmation

    Sean Spicer, the White House press secretary, did not dispute the account.

    In a statement, he said that Mr. Comey had behaved politically and put unnecessary pressure on the president’s ability to conduct diplomacy with Russia on matters such as Syria, Ukraine and the Islamic State.

    “By grandstanding and politicizing the investigation into Russia’s actions, James Comey created unnecessary pressure on our ability to engage and negotiate with Russia,” Mr. Spicer said. “The investigation would have always continued, and obviously, the termination of Comey would not have ended it. Once again, the real story is that our national security has been undermined by the leaking of private and highly classified conversations.”

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/19/us/politics/trump-russia-comey.html

    Sooo here, for all the Democratic Rocket Scientists is the nub: “did not dispute has morphed into confirmed. They ain’t the same thing at all.

    Don’t you Democrats feel kind of stupid???

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

    *Wiki says:

    Chinese whispers—or telephone in the United States[1]—is an internationally popular game,[2] in which one person whispers a message to the ear of the next person through a line of people until the last player announces the message to the entire group. Although the objective is to pass around the message without it becoming misheard and altered along the way, part of the enjoyment is that, regardless, this usually ends up happening. Errors typically accumulate in the retellings, so the statement announced by the last player differs significantly from that of the first player, usually with amusing or humorous effect. Reasons for changes include anxiousness or impatience, erroneous corrections, the difficult-to-understand mechanism of whispering, and that some players may deliberately alter what is being said to guarantee a changed message by the end of the line.

    The game is often played by children as a party game or on the playground. It is often invoked as a metaphor for cumulative error, especially the inaccuracies as rumours or gossip spread,[1] or, more generally, for the unreliability of human recollection or even oral traditions.

    The game is also known as Russian scandal,[3] whisper down the lane, broken telephone, operator, grapevine, gossip, don’t drink the milk, secret message, the messenger game, and pass the message.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_whispers

      1. I missed the report that we cut off all diplomatic relations with Russia?

        McCain on Sunday said he was “almost speechless.”

        Then Sunday was almost a great day!

      2. Which OPINION by McCain has no relevance whatsoever to this story. Except as background as to how baseless rumors spread around in the first place.

        This is a very simple thing. The article here, has three parts:

        1. The White House confirmed the “Comey is a nut job” story.
        2. Russian Lavrov denied the conversation took place.
        3. Ha ha ha, we gotcha, Trump!

        If No.1 is not a true fact, then 2 and 3 are meaningless, and the whole article is nothing but FakeNews.

        Sooo, can anybody confirm No. 1 above? if you can’t, then get off the story and apologize to Trump. Simple as that.

        Squeeky Fromm
        Girl Reporter

        1. From Fox news we read:

          “The New York Times reported that Trump called ousted FBI Director Comey “crazy” and “a real nut job” during a May meeting with Russian officials at the White House – and said firing the top cop had relieved “great pressure” on him. … “I just fired the head of the FBI,” Trump, according to a document read to the Times by an American official. “I faced great pressure because of Russia. That’s taken off.”…..

          White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer did not deny Trump made the comment but instead blamed the media on Friday for pulling focus from national security issues. ”

          Apparently, based on reports form Fox News, the NYT reported the story and Spicer did not deny the story.

          Spicer’s failure to engage the story and deny or explain suggest there may be something to the story.

          Of course, having a bad opinion, even a wrong bad opinion, of someone is not necessarily a crime. However firing someone for the purpose of interfering with an investigation might be.

          It sure would be nice to have an independent, non partisan, rigorous investigation the clear up all the rumors.

          1. Like I said, “not denying” something is not the same thing as “confirming” something. My goodness, if it was, waht would be the purpose of the 5th Amendment, where suspects do not deny, or confirm, anything.

            Once again, can anyone provide evidence that the White House “confirmed” the “Comey is a nut job” part of the story? Not somebody repeating the same old gossip, but actually providing evidence.

            If not, the whole premise for this article fails. If there was no confirmation, then Lavrov’s statement does not make a “gotcha.” And the whole schmear is a smear.

            Squeeky Fromm
            Girl Reporter

          2. Spicer’s failure to engage the story and deny or explain suggest there may be something to the story.

            At some point this blog may want to encourage the Legal aspect of the Legal Theory label. Since when is not engaging, denying or explaining someone else’s story the responsibility of the target of said story? Instead, why not ask the source of the story what their evidence is to prove it true?

            1. Gee, you’re no fun! If you can’t use rumours and innuendo, then half or more of the Main Stream Press’s operations come to a crashing halt. And stories like the one above.

              Squeeky Fromm
              Girl Reporter

              1. 🙂 To be honest, I don’t follow this legal blog for fun. That being said, there are a lot of people on this blog that don’t follow it for the law. And that does tend to make this blog entertaining. So I’ll go with that.

            2. ” Instead, why not ask the source of the story what their evidence is to prove it true?”

              If charges are being filed or in a trial, that suggestion makes perfect sense.

              But it makes no sense at all if the question is whether to or whether not to have an independent, rigorous, non partisan investigation.

              If we had the facts and knew the truth there would be no need for an investigation.

              It is the investigation that produces the facts and leads us to the truth.

              1. It is the investigation that produces the facts and leads us to the truth.

                So Spicer has no obligation to answer any questions from the media that may be the subject of an active investigation. The media can and will infer whatever they want from his silence. And we should not be so naive as to conclude the media IS the investigator.

                1. “So Spicer has no obligation to answer any questions from the media that may be the subject of an active investigation.”

                  As far I know the administration has no obligation to say anything – except maybe the state of the union message.

                  But if there is a simple explanation and the administration wants to head off an investigation, now is the time to speak up. Lots of ordinary people like me and many who read this blog are listening.

                  Silence may make sense in a legal proceeding.

                  But silence leaves people like me with a lot of unanswered questions that deserve attention.

                  1. As politicized as everything is right now, I wouldn’t rely on anything Spicer could possible say and more importantly, nothing that the media would report.

                    1. “As politicized as everything is right now, I wouldn’t rely on anything Spicer could possible say and more importantly, nothing that the media would report.”

                      What, you don’t enjoy the challenge of trying to figure out how the pieces fit together?

                      What ever do you do after Sunday brunch?

                    2. What, you don’t enjoy the challenge of trying to figure out how the pieces fit together?

                      If this were a puzzle we were trying to put together, we have a picture of what the Left wants it to look like and only descriptions of the pieces to put it together. I’ll wait for the actual pieces.

                      Golf. 🙂

      3. Well, we know for sure McVanity had NO business in the Oval Office or on an aircraft carrier either. McCain’s lack of discipline led to his being shot down in the war and his lack of the discipline on the “vision thing” led to his being shot down in the 2008 election.

  6. Curiouser and curiouser but still the only question worth asking is the one posed by Dershowitz and the name is spelled wrrong I’m sure. What is the Crime? He evaluated all the possibilities and came up with a big fat zero and he’s a by no means a Trump fan and a strong supporter of the left and Clintons if anything. So the only question is….

    So? Where’s the crime?

    Well it’s the felony of those who leaked information especially that pertaiining to Natonal Security where ‘intent’ is not a legal excuse.

    Explains why the Democrat heirarchy has distanced themselves from the whole thing and were silent the entire weekend although their sock puppet collective kept at it.Good for them more votes of those who support OUR Representative Constitutional Republic and that the view from the moderate center. featuring of course OUR Constitution.

    These leftist activists pretending to be good citizens should really read the Constitution before they play stupid with the cognizant public at least the self governing citizen portion. To be a high crime or misdemeanor requires a criminal charge …like intentionally lying to a judge and then admitting you lied which netted Bubba C. a loss of his license to practice but while impeached (the grand jury phase) he was not convicted. due in large part to his admitting he had commited that felony. Now the two of them really have something in common Hillary lost her’s too.

    Even if impeached and then convicted the penalty is removal from office and not much else except barred from running for office again. So far we’ve impeached more Juidges and convicted them than we have Presidents. That score is zero.

    So first thing to ask is WHAT is the crime and so far none of the unproven unfound accusations have met that standard.

    Except obstruction of the people’s business and violation of their oaths of office on those who still can be ….charged Let’s see how far Mueller takes this open ended investigation.

    1. Dershowitz’ basic idea is that Trump can sell out the country to anyone he wishes, and the only remedy is the ballot box in 2020.

    2. Although the phrase “high crimes and misdemeanors” suggests your conclusion, impeachment proceedings do not require allegations or proof of the commission of an act punishable under the criminal laws.

        1. Nice snark, Olly, but not responsive to my point. You may wish to read a bit about impeachment.

          1. Snarky yes, but not altogether inaccurate. Short of actual evidence of a crime, it would seem that the path being laid out is one of “maladministration”. Should Congress go down that path, then I would expect the entire history of the Executive branch to be laid bare to compare what President Trump has done relative to previous administrations. This of course would expose the “malfeasance” of previous Congresses to NOT pursue impeachment. The sad reality that I see is Congress has the power to impeach for absolutely nothing. Is that correct? The risk is of course the blowback from voters, but the damage will have already been done.

  7. Maybe Trump was talking to Kislyak and not Lavrov at the time. Not everything is a conspiracy.

    1. Trump is making this so easy for the feds. He’s confessing on live TV. They have him trussed up like a turkey on Thanksgiving. Two things never change: 1. follow the money, and 2. the cover up is always worse than the crime.

      1. What Crime? No evidence, no proof just unfounded accusations and falsely accusing someone IS a crime. REJECTED for stupidity but then what do you expect from a DNC programmer and the captive collective.

  8. If we were to outright dismiss any statements from entities that are hostile to the interests of the United States, then we would be wise to begin with our domestic entities; especially those willing to leak and/or publish them.

  9. What a refreshing sight to see our President
    Stand in front of the Arab world with firmness
    Of resolve and purpose.
    And Melania both dignified and elegant.
    Well done Mr President.

    1. HAHA. He had to cancel his appearance at an event 36 hours after landing due to exhaustion. Melania’s non-verbals toward Trump tell the real story.

  10. I think Putin must be controlling the manic MSM into this Russian/Trump hysteria.

    It appears this blitzkrieg offense by the Dem/MSM may be defense. The Seth Rich story is getting more interesting.

    1. I rather think Putin is rolling on the floor laughing, given all the chaos he has stirred up here.

    2. Nick, exactly that – the Seth Rich story is being buried by the MSM, but the indies are not letting it go – as well as the DNC fraud lawsuit.

  11. The sources for the NYT and WaPo are all anonymous from sources they cannot back up, while the people defending Trump all use their real names. Now, who should we believe?

    1. Reuters, oh yeah, a fake news source. Reuters is one of the oldest if not oldest news gathering institutions in the world. Didn’t you watch the movie with Edward G. Robinson when he delivered the news of Lincoln’s assassination first by rowing ashore from an East bound liner to Ireland and telegraphing the news to London a day before the liner reached England? Now who should we believe? Certainly not Trump, or Larov, or Ryan, or Rubio, or McConnell, or Clinton, or pretty much all of them. The real news is that Trump’s only pals are the Ruskies. He is fast running out of pals here in the US, ran out of them a long time ago in the more developed nations: Canada, Great Britain, France, Germany, etc. The US has not secured a position as a ‘tin pot’ dictatorship, but it is playing at being one with the Buffoon. Let’s hope and pray that this will never get any worse than it is.

      1. The kleptocracies admire the Trump Kushner empire..The democracies don’t.

    2. Well … Trump is a known liar who has backtracked to reveal his aids lying for him.

      Further, Trump is known to retaliate – which is an excellent reason why honest individuals who actually know the facts would want to remain anonymous.

      We don’t know beyond a reasonable doubt – but there are good reasons to doubt any announcement that comes out of this administration.

      There are excellent reasons to demand a rigorous, impartial investigation.

      1. We don’t know beyond a reasonable doubt – but there are good reasons to doubt any announcement that comes out of this administration.

        At this point bfm, if we are not actual witnesses, then it would be wise to remain skeptical of ANY story, positive or negative of this administration.

        1. Obviously my italics were not correct.

          At this point bfm, if we are not actual witnesses, then it would be wise to remain skeptical of ANY story, positive or negative of this administration.

          1. Olly, you almost certainly forgot to close the format directive. Sometimes, what happens to me is I type a period instead of a backslash as in:
            <em> text <.(period) em>
            instead of
            <em> text</ (backslash) em>

            While getting used to formatting instructions, it can be useful to write your comment in a simple editor such as Notepad, then cut and past. If something goes wrong, you can look to see your mistake.

            -BB

        2. I think skepticism is a wonderful value in any citizen of any political persuasion.

    3. You have a very nuanced understanding of both journalism and cover-ups.

  12. There’s a distinction between a ‘discussion’ and a ‘passing remark’.

  13. JT, How do you know what Trump said? He is himself a known liar and a would be tin-pot dictator.

    This will all come out in the end, but as of now, the only people offering written documentation of the events in question are the Russians. While no one would say that the Russian govt. is a model of goodness, how can anyone claim this regarding USGinc, a source of great evil in this world?

    We are not exceptional. The rest of the world thinks we are the biggest threat to the world. Russia is not an existential threat to the US. We are the threat. The Russia hysteria should not be fed by thinking people. It will be used to keep Democrats occupied in bizarre obsessions while ignoring things like Trump’s weapons sales to Saudi Arabia and cuts to “entitlements” and food stamps (but always more money for wars). Red smearing is silencing actual information. The wikileaks e-mails show when the “blame Russia” meme was hatched by her team to cover her loss.

    It’s BS and I worry that feeding Russiaphobia will lead to war and the silencing of valid criticism of Trump. He’s going to get away with lot of very bad things and the oligarchy will get their war. They will get the impoverishment of others as well. That’s what propaganda accomplishes. It makes people stupid and unable to take effective action concerning things which matter. So far, mission accomplished.

    1. Your comments have been the best described: silencing the valid criticism of Trump while Russiaphobia could lead to a real war with a nuclear armed country. This Russia mania a huge distraction from issues that are more pressing and need to be seriously addressed. I fault the media for enabling the conspiracies and misinformation to continue unchecked. They’re holding their own court.

    2. Awkward verbal lead balloons seem the rage. Almost touching the Ruskies would imagine that out Trumping Trump would actually help rather than make things worse. Almost, but not quite. Given what we have been doing for the last ten years, It’s easy to forget just how many of their own problems they continue to deal with.

      OT, entirely OT, but very interesting – (disturbing as Professor Turley might say): Ancestry.com takes DNA ownership rights from customers and their relatives.

      https://medium.com/@MedicalReport/ancestry-com-takes-dna-ownership-rights-from-customers-and-their-relatives-dbafeed02b9e

      Everything in our financial world is so corrupt these days that virtually anything and everything is imbued with it. There isn’t a single large business or financial entity that is untouched.

    1. Ringling Bros circus has been shut down. Which circus will be shut down next?

  14. Anything to keep the discussion from the Uranium -Clinton foundation pay for play GATE.

    1. Doanld ivanka and Jared are doing pay to play in Saudi Arabia HUGELY. The world is aghast.

    2. Ivanka scored a 100 million dollar deal….the kleptocracy is blooming.

    3. Dingdingdingdingding!!!

      Annnnnnnndddd… we have this morning’s WINNER!

      THREE comments into a thread, a thread about Trump’s endless entanglements w/ Russia no less, and…

      It’s really all about DA LIBRULS!

      Okay, everybody… wait for Ter ber to start off and then fall in place behind…

      Make sure the microphone is turned up now…

      2… 3… 4…

      DA LIBRULS! DA LIBRULS! DA LIBRULS! DA LIBRULS! DA LIBRULS! DA LIBRULS!

      Btw… what is that ODOR in here?

      Somebody… OPEN A WINDOW, for Dog’s sake…

      (Pssst… Ter ber? that whole ‘Clinton-Uranium nonsense has been disproven so many times, it’s getting ridiculous… you need some new material…)

      1. “(Pssst… Ter ber? that whole ‘Clinton-Uranium nonsense has been disproven so many times, it’s getting ridiculous… you need some new material…)”

        But hunting for fossils in yesterdays headlines is so much fun!

        We love the oldies.

    1. Newspeak, doublethink, alternative facts… What is reality anyway?

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