Was The Meeting Between Donald Trump Jr. and The Russian Lawyer Really “Treason” or The “Smoking Gun” of Collusion?

UnknownRichard Painter, an ethics lawyer under former President George W. Bush, has declared that the meeting of Donald Trump Jr., with a Russian lawyer who claimed to have compromising information on Hillary Clinton during the campaign, “borders on treason.”  Others have said that the disclosure could be the long sought after “smoking gun” on collusion and evidence of criminal conduct.  I am afraid that I have to continue my record as something of a “buzz kill” on these stories.  There is not a clear criminal act in such a meeting based on the information that we have.  Moreover, it is not necessarily unprecedented.

Painter declared on MSNBC that

“This was an effort to get opposition research on an opponent in an American political campaign from the Russians, who were known to be engaged in spying inside the United States. We do not get our opposition research from spies, we do not collaborate with Russian spies, unless we want to be accused of treason.  . . .  If this story is true, we’d have one of them if not both of them in custody by now, and we’d be asking them a lot of questions. This is unacceptable. This borders on treason, if it is not itself treason.”

I have to respectfully disagree with Painter. I tend to view these things through the lens of a criminal defense attorney and I do not see how either Trump Jr. or Natalia Veselnitskaya could be put into “custody” for such a meeting.  There is no crime in listening to people who say that they have incriminating information on a political opponent, even a foreigner.  Article III defines treason as “levying War against [the United States], or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.”  To say that this type of meeting even borders on treason is quite a departure from the language and cases governing that crime.

Moreover, it is hardly shocking to see a willingness to gather dirt during that election.  Hillary Clinton was repeatedly criticized for her close association with figures like David Brock who was denounced even by John Podesta as sleazy and disreputable.   There was also Sidney Blumenthal who was regularly denounced for spreading rumors and dirt against anyone threatening Clinton.

There also is the allegations surrounding who funded a former British spy to come up with the dossier against Trump, which is now viewed as discredited.

Once again, experts are pulling out the Logan Act to suggest a possible crime.  Norm Eisen, a former chief White House ethics attorney, referenced the law even though it has only been enforce once and it widely viewed as unconstitutional, as we have previously discussed. Vermont Law Professor Jennifer Taub suggests that it could be charged as a conspiracy to defraud the United States.  So listening to someone who claims to have evidence that a federal crime by your competitors is now an effort to defraud under 18 U.S.C. 371? I am highly skeptical of the chances of such a claim and I have never seen the like of it.  Others have suggested that he might be charged with “violating federal criminal statutes prohibiting solicitation or acceptance of anything of value from a foreign national.”  Well, business people accept things of value for foreign officials all the time. It is called transnational business. Presumably, this is meant to suggest a criminal contribution to a campaign from a foreign national — ironically the very allegation raised by the Russian lawyer against Clinton as the purpose of the meeting.  That allegation is rather hard to square with the fact that campaign officials and candidates speak to foreign leaders and sources all the time on issues.  If notice of a possible crime or information is now deemed as thing of tangible value under federal campaign laws, the wide array of exchanges on behalf of campaign would be implicated. Indeed, major free speech and association issues would be raised.  Once again, this is a matter that is worthy of investigation. However, these possible criminal charges are radically over-extended on the facts that we currently have.

None of this excuses the slime machine that runs 24/7 in Washington.  People in the Beltway regularly traffic in dirt — it is the currency of our time.  It has been for some time.  Indeed, the Federalists and Jeffersonians actively and openly sought scandalous material to use against each other.

Trump Jr. said in a statement to the paper on Sunday that he had met with Natalia Veselnitskaya at the request of an acquaintance and denied that he received any information on Clinton.

“After pleasantries were exchanged, the woman stated that she had information that individuals connected to Russia were funding the Democratic National Committee and supporting Ms. Clinton,” he said. “Her statements were vague, ambiguous and made no sense. No details or supporting information was provided or even offered. It quickly became clear that she had no meaningful information.”

“It became clear to me that this was the true agenda all along and that the claims of potentially helpful information were a pretext for the meeting,” Trump Jr. said.

Donald Trump Jr. said that the Russian lawyer contacted the office shorting after his father clinched the Republican presidential nomination to share information damaging to Clinton:

“I was asked to have a meeting by an acquaintance I knew from the 2013 Miss Universe pageant with an individual who I was told might have information helpful to the campaign. I was not told her name prior to the meeting. I asked Jared and Paul to attend, but told them nothing of the substance.

We had a meeting in June 2016. After pleasantries were exchanged, the woman stated that she had information that individuals connected to Russia were funding the Democratic National Committee and supporting Ms. Clinton.

Her statements were vague, ambiguous and made no sense. No details or supporting information was provided or even offered. It quickly became clear that she had no meaningful information.”

Foreign funding of an election would be federal crime.

Trump Jr.  said that Veselnitskaya soon changed the subject and began discussing the adoption of Russian children and moved the conversation towards the Magnitsky Act — a 2012 bill that blocks certain Russian officials’ entrance to the U.S. and their use of the U.S. banking system:

“It became clear to me that this was the true agenda all along and that the claims of potentially helpful information were a pretext for the meeting. I interrupted and advised her that my father was not an elected official, but rather a private citizen, and that her comments and concerns were better addressed if and when he held public office. The meeting lasted approximately 20 to 30 minutes. As it ended, my acquaintance apologized for taking up our time. That was the end of it and there was no further contact or follow-up of any kind.”

Quite frankly, most people in the Beltway look at that account and snicker that Trump Jr. was a fool to personally attend such a meeting.  Other campaigns would have used surrogates like Brock but they would have gotten the information.

The one area of legal concern raised by this account is again the failure of various Trump family members and associates from listing foreign contacts on federal forms, including the SF-86.  I have had to fill out that form regularly since the Reagan Administration and listed even brief meetings with foreign academics at conferences.  It is hard to see how such meetings would not be listed.

Unless there is more (and this is worthy of investigation), I see nothing close to treason or a crime in this account.  That obviously does not fit with the breathless accounts given the story but the criminal code is not a code of political etiquette.

305 thoughts on “Was The Meeting Between Donald Trump Jr. and The Russian Lawyer Really “Treason” or The “Smoking Gun” of Collusion?”

    1. hahaha …….. I almost feel bad at how entertaining these miserable gullible souls have become. Almost.
      JT seems to be collecting his fair share of this miserable “cult” to his blog.

      1. When JT got in bed with the right wing for lawsuits against Obama, and lost every one of them, the loonies came out here on JT’s blog. And there are some really racist and mindless idiots that will defend Trump no matter how stupid their great leader is.

        1. FishWings, …And you foolishly don’t realize that much of racism in this country came from the Democrats. Who passed Civil Rights and who was in the front of the line to make all men equal? Not the Democrats. Then a Democrat recognized that the minority vote could help them win. Suddenly their attitude changed but not their racism.

        2. Fishwings – you, and other cult victims that found their way to this blog, lower the intellect of the discussion on this blog. I imagine the guy in the video could be anyone of you. I should have been more clear.

  1. They finally figured it out… The communists were colluding with the capitalist to defeat the globalist.

  2. One of the big stories that has to be teased out is how the GOP became a party dominated by conspiracy theorists, their enablers, and the politicians too greedy and craven and fearful to oppose them.

  3. “So Who, Exactly, Is Colluding with the Russians?

    By most media accounts, it was the Fusion GPS document that jumpstarted talk among the CIA, FBI, and Obama White House that the Trump campaign had colluded with Russia and aided the Russian government’s efforts to undercut faith in U.S. institutions and the election. In other words, the document accomplished exactly what Russia apparently set out to do. The point lost by most reporters and Congress? That the document was paid for by Democrats and produced by an American firm run by Democrats that is now refusing to cooperate with congressional investigators.

    Congressional committees have thus far found no evidence of Russian collusion by the Trump campaign. By the day, as more and more Democrats are revealed to have had the same interactions with Russian officials that Republicans had—Sen. Claire McCaskill is but the latest—the story increasingly shows itself as the fairy tale many thought it to be.

    It appears the one part of this scandal worth investigating, but not being investigated yet, is the one where many of the answers may lie: the role Fusion GPS played, who paid the firm for the discredited dossier, and how it ended up in the hands of the Obama administration.”


  4. This article is weak from the very beginning where it starts by referencing “Richard Painter, an ethics lawyer under former President George W. Bush, ” who declared that the meeting “borders on treason.” What in tarnation is an “ethics lawyer under former President George Bush?” Referring to an “ethics lawyer” in the Bush administration is akin to talking about a “compassion lawyer” working for the German Government run by the Nazis. “Ethics” and Bush just don’t go together in any shape or form. With an awful beginning to this article, things hardly improved in this article.

    However, I can easily sum up the entire substance of the latest allegations against Trump. Much ado about nothing.

  5. Again, “collusion”” is not a crime. Repeating over and over that it is will not make it so. The term “collusion” is not in the federal criminal code.

    1. Mueller and team knows the federal criminal codes. I’ll trust him to decide what’s what.

      1. Whiskers,…
        In addition to the Mueller and Congressional investigations, we have Richard Painter making his case for treason on MSNBC.
        If Painter needs other venues to “build his case”, the Weekly World News is an option.
        Like you, I’m willing to wait until the real investigations are completed.
        Might be another couple of years, but in the meantime we have have the MSNBC and Weekly World News “investigations” to keep things from getting too boring.

  6. If Trump Jr. had hired a third party to collaberate with the Russian lawyer to compile a “Hillary-Russia Dossier”, I think it would be worth looking into.
    Questions about the Trump-Russia Dossier ( who funded it, who are the sources, who leaked part of it to the press) should probably be answered as well.

    1. I think the trump team election stuff is more VEEP than House of Cards [I mean, look at Carter Page]. But the Trump connection to Russia money is absolutely House of Cards. How much connection there is between the two, and who is connected, is the crux of the story.

  7. If this was a known Russian operative then the NSA had her under surveillance and most likely know what was discussed, as do Susan Rice, Brennan and Samantha Powers, the 3 Musketeers of unmasking.

      1. whiskers – didn’t The Donald get himself into Harvard and Wharton?

        1. Trump transferred to Penn from Fordham. He has donated to the school as his father did so his children could receive ivy league educations. Jared’s father.gave Harvard over 2 million so Jared could attend. That is how the elites operate.

          1. Rum runner, shanty Irish, Joe Kennedy knew how this worked, didn’t he SWM?

        2. Paul, You know the liberal playbook. Dems are smart, hardworking and empathetic. Rep are stupid, lazy and heartless. We heard this w/ Reagan and both Bush’s. When you think about it, this old, stale playbook is actually quite stupid and lazy. They need a new one.

            1. Olly, With old, dementia people running the Dem party like Pelosi, your preference will be granted. Pelosi keeps calling Trump, “Bush.” Botox has seeped into her brain.

          1. I don’t think reps are all stupid. Only some of them. And same with dems.

        3. You’re not really that naive, are you?? I’m sure you’ve read about daddy kushner and his well timed donations, too.

          1. whiskers – you are confusing The Donald with the son-in-law. Get a grip.

        4. I could be wrong but didn’t Trump go to Fordham and Penn (not Harvard) where despite his claims of being top of his class. I also understand the particular college at Wharton was not the famed business school.

          1. Trump graduated from the Wharton undergraduate division of The University of Pennsylvania. No honors are listed for him.

            1. No honors are listed for him.

              That’s just horrible! I demand he forfeit his billions of dollars and the title of President of the United States.

              1. Paul has spent years trying to diminish Obama’s academic achievements,

                1. Paul has spent years trying to diminish Obama’s academic achievements,

                  To be more accurate, I believe Paul among many others have been trying to shine a light on them. I personally find them irrelevant once they are elected to office. In Trump’s case, we have a similar situation as with Obama where the clocked stopped on November 8th. The time for vetting is over.

                2. frankly – only his job as editor of the Harvard Law Review, which seems to have been a ‘show up’ job for him.

                3. No, he’s made sidelong comments from time to time, as have I. That doesn’t take ‘years’.

                  BO’s academic accomplishments are of scant interest. He never held a clerkship, practiced law (prorating p/t and seasonal work) for about 3 years, was never granted a partnership, was (by some accounts) hired by the University of Chicago Law School contrary to standard procedures, never, in 12 years on the faculty, published one scholarly paper, taught boutique electives, did not serve on faculty committees, did not teach a f/t schedule, and was never awarded tenure or compelled to apply for it. He spent more than a decade in legislative bodies, but is a maven in no area of policy. It is interesting how his wife’s salary doubled when he was elected to the Senate, and how her crucial position at the University of Chicago Hospitals was eliminated when she moved to Washington.

                  One of the other students on the Review that year offered the view that BO seemed to want to be the ‘President’ of the Review but not to accomplish anything in the post. The beginning of a lifelong pattern.

          2. Yeah, the famed Wharton is the graduate school MBA. I believe Trump got a BA from Penn/Wharton undergrad which is quite different and not the famous one.

          3. enigma – I think you are right, he transferred to Wharten as an undergrad.

          4. No, he attended the business school. I do not think he ever claimed to be ‘the top of his class’

            1. So you don’t discredit any source I provide you. Google, “Donald Trump top of his class” and choose from the dozens of reports on the claim he made constantly on the campaign.

      2. Whiskers, Really? How do you know? What have you accomplished in life?

        To some climbing the ladder only means pulling someone else down.

      3. Somehow these not so bright folks managed to amass billions of dollars in wealth and capture the most powerful office on the planet. That paints a not-so-flattering picture for the progressives and their NBP.

          1. Their shareholders agree and love them for it. Do you have anything else in that tool chest of yours to toss at the President of the United States? Horrible student? Bad breath? Oh, liar? There has to be something if you say it enough, kind of like Dorothy’s, there’s no place like home that will unwind Gorsuch, the election; something. Don’t forget, Vice President Pence is waiting in the wings. Perhaps you should start on him too. 🙂

            1. Don’t know how many shareholders they have but they do have plenty of creditors.Pence is a regular right wing republican Doubt he or his family have connections to the Russian mob or that they are trying to secure loans from Dubai.

              1. Don’t know how many shareholders they have but they do have plenty of creditors.

                As does most every other individual and business in the country. Apparently their underwriters have determined the risk to be within guidelines.

                Anything else? You will need to step up your game on Pence.

  8. As presented in the media the determination of whether or not Trump Jr. did anything wrong or not can only be made, at this time, through what he reported. He said he was approached, listened, saw no point, and then, nothing. From this, he is not colluding. However, his father is the most accomplished liar that ever was, by any definition. It is possible that his son is simply following in Dad’s footsteps, or why bring it up. If you come up with an ‘admission’ like this, you get to create it and then it stands as the last definitive description on the issue at hand. So, lie or not, Trump Jr. now has control of the situation. This is versatile and adept maneuvering, but does nothing to reveal the reality of the situation. Perhaps the Russians are now in the catbird seat and can come forward with anything to tie to what has been admitted by the Trumps and others. Now Donny’s ‘coming forth’ is an uncompleted sentence. Putin has a string attached to the US Presidency. That is the real issue here, the ineptitude of the entire Trump mob. Being born into wealth, privilege, and real estate connections, does not make for the leadership America needs.

  9. The entire Russia obsession is nothing but a pointless, unproductive sideshow that is keeping the nation focused on a meaningless nonissue while ignoring extremely important issues. I despise Trump, would never support him and think he’s very likely suffering from some kind of mental illness or dementia but ever since the Clinton campaign started using this tactic of claiming Trump is a traitor nobody at any time has produced a single shred of any evidence that all this hysteria is in any way justified. There’s simply no reason to believe any of these allegations are true because there’s no evidence. One would think that if it was clear to the Clinton campaign prior to the election that this alleged criminal activity was taking place that some sort of evidence of the crime would have ben found by now. But nothing like that has occurred. What we’ve gotten is right wing style redbaiting from Clinton supporters and the media and a handful of Republicans. That’s it. Nothing justifies all this distraction as far as I can see.

    1. You say there’s no evidence. Are you on the Mueller team? On a senate sub-committee?? Or are you just blowing smoke out your……..

      1. You don’t get to push my species into extinction just because Rachel Maddow told you a scary bedtime story.

      2. Whiskers, The investigation has been ongoing an awful long time without anything being found and all the statements implicating Trump have been found to be wrong.

        You can’t prove a negative and you can’t prove you don’t beat your wife.

    2. Horuss–You say Trump is suffering from mental illness or dementia. Please tell us your credentials for making such diagnoses. Please tell us the results of your physical examination of Trump, the laboratory tests you ordered, the brain scans you ordered, and your interpretation of Trump’s neuropsychological testing. If you are lacking the proper credentials, and if you have none of the above results, then your diagnoses of Trump’s mental status have no credibility on this board! My suggestion to you–you will find more evidence of mental illness and dementia if you check out certain high ranking liberals.

      1. Did you see the three videos of Trump wandering off? He looked like a confused old man in a nursing home. Check them out [in Israel at photo op with Bibi, while forgetting to sign exec order, and most recently, he confusion re: his limousine].

        This is FAR more concerning than Clinton briefly losing consciousness from pneumonia and dehydration. She recovered quickly. He will not.

        Sincerely, psychiatric nurse

        1. Hey “psychiatric nurse”—I repeat:

          “Please tell us the results of your physical examination of Trump, the laboratory tests you ordered, the brain scans you ordered, and your interpretation of Trump’s neuropsychological testing. If you are lacking the proper credentials, and if you have none of the above results, then your diagnoses of Trump’s mental status have no credibility on this board! My suggestion to you–you will find more evidence of mental illness and dementia if you check out certain high ranking liberals.”

          If you truly are a “psychiatric nurse,” you would know you cannot make diagnoses without a physical and neurological exam of the patient, running appropriate lab tests, checking out appropriate neurological scans, and evaluating neuropsychological tests. If you do not accept this premise, then you are either not a psychiatric professional or we need to feel quite sorry for your patients!!

          By the way, Clinton recovered “quickly” from her so-called pneumonia because she never had pneumonia! Did you ever look at her chest x-ray and make the diagnosis?

          If you truly believe there is nothing cerebrally wrong with Nancy Pelosi, Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders, or Ruth Ginsberg, then you have lost even more credibility.

          1. 1. I am a retired psych nurse. 2. I am not diagnosing, just observing. He needs a workup 3. Clinton’s doctor released her notes about Clinton’s dx and treatment. Her diagnosis was pneumonia.

            1. ampm and Lawrence W.
              — It’s true that Clinton’s doctor “released her notes”.
              It’s also true that Trump’s doctor claimed that Trump would be ” the healthiest President in history”.
              Candidates’ personal physicians aren’t the best sources for candid disclosures about their patients’ health.

              1. There was a period of time (1974 – 2004) when presidential candidates were fairly meticulous about disclosures. Richard Gephardt in 1988 attempted to persuade the candidates en bloc to refuse to answer certain questions because he found reporters so intrusive and arrogant. Did not work at that time. Checkbook journalism was sufficient to get hold of documents the candidates would not release. (Both George W. Bush and John Kerry suffered the indignity of confidential transcripts purloined and leaked to the media). Kerry got away with limiting disclosure of his service record to a friendly reporter willing to cover for him. In spite of John McCain’s extensive disclosures, BO got away with no disclosures. He also dispensed with public funds and campaign finance limitations. That cherry popped, we’re back in the world where candidates disclosed what they cared to disclose. (My wager is that Kerry and Obama had a history of counseling and psychotherapy, and that explains their resistance to disclosure).

        2. Did you see the three videos of Trump wandering off?

          Ever heard of ‘confirmation bias’? How about ‘motivated reasoning’?

    3. and think he’s very likely suffering from some kind of mental illness or dementia

      Thereby demonstrating you’ve never interacted with a schizophrenic or a dement.

  10. The only people whose observations really matter are Mueller and his team. The rest of us are just BSing cause we are only seeing tiny puzzle pieces of what they are gathering. Certainly, the fact that team Trump members change their stories, lie and conveniently forget things is intriguing and isn’t escaping anyone’s notice since they are so blatant about it.

    The chances increase every day that Trump will shut down the investigation and probably pardon everyone he can. Then whether or not we remain a functioning democracy will be in the hands of Ryan and McConnell. If they move forward and the congress impeaches, we will indeed be an exceptional nation. If they keep Trump in office, it’s bye-bye America, hello just another tacky two bit dictatorship.

    Here’s a great article on what passes for ethics in Team Trump/Kusher


    1. Ryan is a loser – Trump kicked his arse during the primaries and now he won’t even hold Town Halls – afraid to face his constituents

    2. The only people whose observations really matter are Mueller and his team.

      The investigation is so tainted at this point that Mueller has no credibility.

  11. Tbob….great comment. All these comments from Trump bashers are due to short term memory politics…you know…when your candidate fails flubs and flusters everything…and your progressive crap continues to show its true colors and goals. Good to see there are still those who know the difference between soil and sh*t .

      1. Susan Collins sounds more and more like Kate Hepburn in her later years. Does Collins have Parkinson’s?

  12. Let’s see now, the more people dig, the more they find out about meetings with Russians that the Chumps somehow “forgot” to list on required forms, but there’s nothing to see here, folks–right? Also, Chump, Sr., from day one has tried to cast doubt on Mueller’s investigation, and accused him of being very close friends with James Comey. Stinks to high heaven.

    1. You don’t see anything wrong with your best buddy given the task to investigate your boss who has just fired you like a dog for your incompetence and psychologically corrupt behavior, if not criminal behavior ?

  13. Trump Jr did nothing wrong and certainly nothing bordering on ‘treason.’ This non-story was timed to hit the airwaves just as Trump was finishing up a successful G20 summit in Germany.

    However….if the press was truly interested in doing their job of reporting on the facts we already know, here’s a refresher including a hot mic comment made by Barack Obama in 2012 during his reelection campaign:

    “This is my last election…after my election I’ll have more flexibility,” said Obama. “I understand. I will transmit your message to Vladimir,” said Dmitry Medvedev.

    Uranium One deal. Approved by Hillary while Secy of State. Signed off on by Obama. $2 million then donated to Clinton Foundation. $500k speech in Moscow given by Bill Clinton while his wife is Secy of State.

    Politicizing the DOJ, FBI and Intel Community.

    Who paid Fusion GPS?

    Why hasn’t the FBI been allowed to examine the DNC server? Was it hacked by Russia?
    Or was it an inside job and a thumb drive delivered to WikiLeaks?

    Who killed Seth Rich?

    John Podesta’s email password was ‘password.’ He fell for an email phishing scam.

    Russia “meddling” in our election was during Obama’s time at the helm. What did he do about it?

    All the actual evidence of ties to Russia and possible collusion or illegality point to Barack Obama, Hillary and Bill Clinton and the Clinton Foundation, and Hillary’s campaign chair John Podesta’s business ties to Russia.

    All the actual evidence of interfering in the outcome of an election points to the corrupt dealings at the DNC under Debbie Wasserman-Schultz and Donna Brazile.

    1. True. But our resident DNC Shills aren’t here to discuss things in a rational fashion. They are here to bash Trump with whatever they can, whether deserved or not. They are not dispassionate persons only interested in the truth, or anything like that. Nope, their job is just to fling poo and hope something sticks. To paraphrase John Donne, a right-wing talk radio host, “Hope not for reason from DNC shills!”

      Squeeky Fromm
      Girl Reporter

  14. Yet another proof that the msm has an agenda , to write hit pieces on trump . It endorsed Clinton and now it is acting as a sore loser . I would say let people expose themselves to the bones so that in 2020 there is not just an electoral landslide but also bring into play more solid blue states

  15. Speaking of a real “Smoking Gun,” who killed Seth Rich?

    Interestingly, there continues to be much pejorative coverage of and reference to the horrible death, by polonium-210-induced acute radiation syndrome poisoning, of former officer of the Russian Federal Security Service (FSB), while there is nary a word on the apparent assassination of Seth Rich immediately prior to the resignations of Debbie Wasserman Schultz and two top DNC officials having suffered the damage wrought by leaked internal e-mails.

    They found the “Smoking Gun” in the Vince Foster case, right?

    And Ron Brown’s plane was probative “Smoking Wreckage” after it just fell out of the air, right?

    Real or imaginary; “Smoking Guns” are everywhere, huh?

    1. and how about Shaun Lucas – the process server for the DNC fraud lawsuit who was found dead? Or that UN guy John Ashe who was supposed to testify against HRC and “dropped” barbells on his neck? Or federal prosecuter Beranton J. Whisenant Jr. who was found dead in DWS’s district?

    2. Seth Rich’s parents wrote a touching tribute to him on the first anniversary of his death, including asking again for people like you to stop your disgusting behavior. But you won’t. Shame on you.

      I hope karma bites you in the butt.

      1. And I hope the “D.C. Police” find the assassin.

        I mean the Warren Commission found Lee Harvey Oswald, right (he said facetiously)?

        You want to hide behind tears and suffering of “the parents.”

        Nice dodge.

        I want the crime solved.

        1. I agree George – I want this solved. It’s about Seth, not his parents.

        2. They are not “the parents.” They are the parents and sibling who lost their son and brother. You care nothing about them or getting the crime solved, just want to manipulate their suffering for your twisted political conspiracies. There is no dodge. I read their comments, too, and refer you to them, although it’s clear you would not be moved by their courageous and loving words.

          1. “courageous loving words” ??!!- famiy is scared sh*tless. Again, this is not about them: it’s about Seth Rich and whoever assassinated him being brought to justice.

            1. I think you should read their letter. But, of course, that might required that you move out of the fantasy world of projection. It is about them because he’s THEIR son. It has nothing to do with you. It’s hard to stomach how cruel Trump’s cultists can be.

                  1. You have a good point, money could have been exchanged as well, Murder is criminal and it is not up to families or their desires as to what transpires. There has not been an adequate answer for Seth Rich’s death and until there is this matter rightfully will not disappear. Julian Assange’s comments and the associated happenings have not been adequately investigated.

                1. Comrade, you are so full of shit. Progressive, you are a paid propagandist who claims to be liberal. Yet to see you support anything liberal.

        3. George,…
          Actually, the Dallas Police “found” Oswald after he killed another Dallas officer.
          He still had the .38 on him used to kill patrolman J.D. Tippet, and tried to shoot another cop when they arrested him.
          Three shots from his rifle had been fired earlier; he left that rifle at the Texas Book Depository, then fled.
          He was the only employee there who took off immediately after the Kennedy shooting.
          The Warren Commission didn’t “find” or “discover” these facts; they were known before the Commission was even formed.

          1. The scam Warren Commission made up the facts it wanted to find.

            You are wholly ignorant of the facts.

            The Zapruder film shows Jacqueline Kennedy crawling toward the rear on the deck lid to recover parts of JFK’s head. It shows JFK’s brains being blown toward the rear of the car spraying matter on the motorcycle cop behind the vehicle – read his testimony. The emergency attending physician said he placed a tracheotomy in a “bullet entrance would in the front of JFK’s throat.” It’s in the transcript.

            Oswald was observed in the break room. And he did not kill Tippet. Tippet stopped a member of the actual assassination team who was fully prepared to handle that situation.

            Oswald told you he was the patsy just before being murdered in a police station. How many murders are you aware of that take place in a police station?

            Read “Best Evidence” by David Lifton.

            Alternatively, don’t read Best Evidence and remain willfully ignorant.

            1. Read the Warren Commission, and search the archives for contemporaneous accounts BEFORE the Warren Commission was even establishe.
              The “Oswald as patsy” theory works if you ignore the fact that two murders were committed with Oswald’s weapon, that 8-9 witnesses saw him either shoot officer Tippet or flee the scene, and forget that he tried to shootcanother cop as he was arrested.
              The Parkland ER doctors were given access to autopsy photis and xrays.
              Four out of Five of these MDs confirmed the conclusions of the autopsy.
              The ER doctors had 20 min. maximun to try restore a heartbeat, blood pressure, breathing ( beyond the “dying gasps they observed.
              Thatcwas their focus, not examaning JFK’s wounds.
              It’s ptobably worth keeping in mind that the conditions, procedures, and objectives of ER MDs differ from those of a subsequent 4- 4 1/2 hour autopsy.

          2. A murder was committed in Dallas. Why were the body and the principals allowed to leave the scene of a crime that occurred in that jurisdiction?

            1. George,…
              There is plenty of material about the confrontation over custody of JFK’s body.
              LBJ wasn’t leaving Dallas without Jackie Kennedy, and she wasn’t leaving without JFK’s body.
              The Secret Service basically ran over the Dallas coroner and authorities and took JFK’s to the plane back to DC.

              1. George,
                The “Welcoms to Dallas” ad, and the “Wanted for Treason” JFK posters caused some concerns when Kennedy went to Dallas.
                The assault on U.N. Ambassador Stephenson also fortified the feeling that Dallas was a hotbed of extremism.
                All in JFK’s party were aware of these factors.
                When JFK was killed there, it didn’t help the reputation of Dallas in the eyes of JFK’s entourage.
                At the point that they took and removed JFK’s body from Dallas authorities, they were more than willing to ride roughshod over the Dallas authorities.

      2. What disgusting behavior? That’s one mighty strange street robbery. It’s not surprising people are perplexed by it and not satisfied with the investigatikon.

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