Columbus Statues Protested In Detroit And Damaged In Baltimore

220px-Christopher_ColumbusProtesters are mounting a widening movement against statues to historical figures across the country. What began with protests of confederate statues after the Charlottesville protests has expanded to include Supreme Court justices, presidents, founders, and now explorer Christopher Columbus.  In Detroit, protesters gathered around the Columbus statue to demand removal as a symbol of “white supremacy.”  In Baltimore, the Columbus statue was vandalized.

Demonstrators in Detroit told media that there were no confederate statues so they chose an image that they views as “tied to a white supremacy mind-set.”

Organizers said they were unaware of any Confederate monuments in the city, so were focusing on memorials to other historical figures tied to a white supremacy mind-set.

The protesters are members of the Detroit chapter of BYP100, formerly known as the Black Youth Project 100.

The Columbus statue was erected by the Italian-American community of Detroit in 1910.

Protester Antonio Cosme is quoted as saying “He’s a central central narrative to white nationalism. He’s one of the key figures in this whole Western identity.”  Yet, Columbus is also the symbol of humanity’s unbounded desire for exploration and the courage it took to transverse an unknown ocean in a wooden ship to discover new lands.  That courage was magnified by the fact that many thought Columbus and his crew would simply fall off the end of the Earth.

The monument in Baltimore was vandalized, a criminal act posted on posted to YouTube on Monday by a user named “Popular Resistance.”  It shows a man taking a sledgehammer to the base of the monument near Herring Run Park near a sign reading: “The future is racial and economic justice.”

 

The video feature the voice of a man named Ty calling Christopher Columbus a “genocidal terrorist.”

As I have discussed in the media, this ever-widening movement to destroy historical monuments is occurring without any real debate or discussion.  History is really neat.  Historical figures are often deeply flawed individuals who lived in violent and oppressive times.  We learn from history not by destroying its images but placing them into context.  These are markers that represent the evolution of our society — not just our triumphs but failures.

There is no denying Columbus’ historical significance.  Millersville University professor Thomas Tirado wrote in 2000 that “It is nearly impossible to over-exaggerate the historical significance of Christopher Columbus.  The ultimate expression of the Columbian Legacy has been nothing less than global in its impact.”

He is also a great pride for Italian-Americans (including my family).  I remember when an old-time Italian alderman was asked in the 70s by a reporter why Chicago was still celebrating Columbus Day when it appeared that Vikings may have come to the shores before Columbus.  Vito Marzullo seemed stumped and then smiled and said “When Columbus discovered American, it stayed discovered.”

What do you think?

 

199 thoughts on “Columbus Statues Protested In Detroit And Damaged In Baltimore

  1. Columbus underestimated the distance from the Canary Islands to Japan by thousands of miles. Everybody thought his entire expedition would perish for lack of fresh drinking water. They would have been right, too, but for the existence of an unknown landmass stretching nearly pole-to-pole, just where Columbus needed it to be.

    His statues, therefore, should stand as monuments to the power of blind ambition, pigheadedness, and sheer dumb luck.

  2. Anybody notice that Wasserman-Schultz, Seth Rich, the DNC, Lynch, Hillary Clinton, Obama, Rice, Power, Huma Abedin, Farkas et al. have been taken out of the news?

    Remember when President Trump was being investigated for Russian collusion after Hillary was caught deleting 30,000 e-mails and “wiping” her server/computer with Bleachbit?

    Look what the “deep state” is hiding; look what the Swamp is hiding; this is stuff you don’t get to know:

    “VEROPHARM”

    Joseph Rago –

    “Wall Street Journal Reporter Asks Russia For “Clinton Information” —-Turns Up DEAD 2 Days Later”

    “A Wall Street Journal Editor who was investigating how a Russian
    Pharmaceutical firm could have been purchased in 2014 by an American
    Pharmaceutical firm while Sanctions against Russia existed against such
    business transactions, has been found dead in his New York City
    apartment. The crux of the dead journalists investigation was how
    then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton influenced the transaction to be
    finalized, but only AFTER her husband Bill was paid $500,000 for giving
    a speech in Moscow.

    The Russia Consulate General’s office in New York City was contacted
    by Wall Street Journal reporter/editor Joseph Rago who requested a
    Thursday (20 July) in person interview with consular officials regarding
    an upcoming article he was preparing on Hillary Clinton and her links
    to Russia. Rago failed to attend the meeting and was later discovered
    dead in his apartment of as yet “unknown causes” just hours prior to
    this meeting occurring.”

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  3. Oh, enough already about justifying the character of folks from the past — they don’t need it and it makes us look downright stupid or sniveling for trying. They are rightly praised for the good they did or the principles they espoused. They are not disqualified from such because they were not perfect. Welcome to the human condition, buttercup. This has nothing to do with statues and everything to do with the will to power. Some people feel guilty for things they neither did nor are responsible for. They are on the defensive because unscrupulous folks exploit that guilt and cowl them into submission. This is about as interesting as warm beer and as revolutionary as athletic socks. It’s like we never read a book on Stalin or Mao. There really is a sucker born every minute.

    • Agree. In Grad school I read Mein Kampf for a WW2 seminar, took seminars on Theories of Imperialism & studied the Ottoman Empire’s influence on Europe, read up on The anthropology of the sub- continent. All seminars looked OBJECTIVELY at both sides of any argument and never got so emotional that we shunned, discounted, shouted down anyone’s opinions. Then we would mix after seminar. This included Grad students from Turkey, Africa, various parts of Europe and the US. But that was 35 years ago. Now everyone seems triggered by differing pts of view.

  4. “…whatever tends to a discordant intermixture must have an injurious tendency.”
    _______________________________________________________________

    “The influx of foreigners must, therefore, tend to produce a heterogeneous compound; to change and corrupt the national spirit; to complicate and confound public opinion; to introduce foreign propensities. In the composition of society, the harmony of the ingredients is all-important, and whatever tends to a discordant intermixture must have an injurious tendency.”

    – Alexander Hamilton On Immigration
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    “…an injurious tendency” is what America now begins to suffer.

    Who allowed the “discordant intermixture” into the country for the past 150 years;

    not as “guest workers” but as “voters?”

    Oh yeah, it was done by the globalists / communists.

    • My father’s parents came from Norway just over 100 years ago. There were no laws governing immigration in those days.

      There basically are not and have not been communists in the USA with any authority. Consider Paul Robeson.

      • Can you say central planning, social engineering and redistribution of wealth? Congress has only limited power to tax for General Welfare, not individual welfare. General Welfare consists of roads, water, sewer, currency, post office, airports, electricity, etc. Congress has no authority to compel the purchase of a commercial product. The right to private property precludes government from taking private property from one man to give private property to another, either as cash payments, products or services.

        Affirmative action, quotas, welfare, food stamps, social services, subsidies, forced busing,
        utility subsidies, WIC, HHS, HUD, HAMP, HARP, Education Dept., Labor
        Dept., Obamacare, Obamaphones, Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, “Fair Housing” law, “Non-Discrimination” law and every other form of redistribution of wealth and social engineering are UNCONSTITUTIONAL principles of communism.

        Under the Constitution, none of these laws and programs may exist. Americans are free to “pursue happiness” and to avail themselves of the “blessings of liberty” without interference by the severely limited government.

        CHARITY IS INDUSTRY CONDUCTED VOLUNTARILY IN THE FREE MARKETS OF THE PRIVATE SECTOR.

        Communists control the entire government and have illicitly imposed their Manifesto on America.

        Are you out of your ——- mind?

        • No, but I fear you are.

          Some things we agree to do communally, such as roads. Nothing to do with communism, which is state ownership of the means of production.

          • Affirmative action, quotas, welfare, food stamps, social services, forced busing,
            utility subsidies, WIC, HHS, HUD, HAMP, HARP, Education Dept., Labor
            Dept., Obamacare, Obamaphones, Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, teachers unions, public worker unions and all forms of communistic redistribution of wealth and social engineering are ALL UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

            The Preamble is the limiting CONTEXT – Justice, Tranquility, Common Defence, General Welfare.

            The Constitution is the law – “Congress shall have Power to…provide for the…general Welfare…”

            “…nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.”

            Government is severely limited and Congress cannot tax to provide INDIVIDUAL WELFARE or to take private property from one man to give private property to another.
            __________________________________________________________________________________

            General – of or relating to all persons (roads, currency, water, sewer, post office, airport, electricity, etc.).

            Individual – a single human being, as distinguished from a group.

            Well – good.

            Fare – travel or get along.
            _________________________________________________________________________________

            Preamble

            “We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.”
            __________________________________________________________________________________

            Article 1, Section 8

            “The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;…”
            __________________________________________________________________________________

            5th Amendment –

            “…nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.”

      • Actually, yes there were laws concerning immigration at that time. My paternal grandparents came from Finland around the same time, and I have their immigration, as well as naturalization certificates. There was no INS or ICE back then; the documents were issued by the U.S. Dept of Labor. You needed to be sponsored for a job. My grandfather came over with the promise of a job in the iron ore mines in No. Minn. He was then sponsored by the mine superintendent (a Swede name is on the papers). At that point he sent for his wife and kids. His own father (my great-grandfather) was rejected and returned to Finland because he was too old to do the strenuous job of mining.

  5. Yes, we need these statues.

    — Not far from the banks of the Columbia River here in the state of Washington.

    • Don’t bother your head about that. It all stinks and nobody will be indicted. Everyone at that level is protected. The excuses from both sides are breathtaking. For God’s sake Petraeus was head of the CIA and shared his notebooks with his mistress. He got a misdemeanor – really? A regular agent caught doing the same thing would be in prison. At any rate there it is.

      • A regular agent caught doing the same thing would be in prison. At any rate there it is.

        Petraeus mistress had security clearances.

  6. Old and in the way! That’s what I’m gonna say. I’m proud to stand here yelling: Old and in the Way!
    I have a rifle and I am defending my Mark Twain statue.

    • Are you sure? My old yellow cat is outside right now laying in front of the St. Francis of Assisi statue in our garden. But I doubt that he’s defending it. He doesn’t give it rat’s azz about it; he just likes the shade that it casts.

  7. I have finally come around to the view of the Elite Establishment that we will be better off being unchained from the burden of history, facts, evidence, the truth, and other such outmoded concepts. We would be much better off with an all-powerful Elite to make all decisions for us and to program us so that we will know what to think and what to feel. The seeds for this have already been planted. Indeed, it is futile to resist, and when everyone gives in to the demands of the Elite Establishment, all will be tranquil and serene.

  8. This is extremism.

    ISIS also destroys historical monuments, buildings, and artifacts because they believe the creators were immoral. So they destroy them, and destroy museums housing them.

    In this case, it’s the Avenging Angel syndrome, in which the defender of the bullied becomes the worst bully of them all.

    We are not allowed to suddenly declare, like any religious extremist, that God or Fate or Reason has spoken to us, and declared us warriors for the cause with Divine Right, and therefore directed and blessed to tear down anything with which we disagree. It’s the Might Makes Right rule of the club, to mix a few cliches.

    This is not democracy. This is the rise of fascism of the extreme Left.

  9. “I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve.”

    – Isoroku Yamamoto

    • Apparently the Fremont neighborhood locals like it, and they’re defending its presence there. Several groups, including the local LGBT community, dress it up on holidays. But SJWs like VC dbag Benedict Evans, who works in Silicon Valley, wants it torn down, because muh feelings.

  10. Personally, I see these vandals as the Taliban/ISIS of our nation. They’re willing to destroy whatever offends their warped sensibilities, without regard to historical significance or any sort of nuanced view.

  11. If you read Columbus’s writings, you’ll discover he’s all about: GOLD, SLAVERY and anything else he could make a buck from–not man’s quest to conquer the unknown or other ethereal bull. Yes, people thought the world was flat, but Columbus’s desire for riches outweighed his fear. Columbus didn’t “discover” anything. There were native American tribes living here, each with their own culture, their own government, their own language, their own social structures, their own economies. And, as you point out, Columbus wasn’t the first non-native to arrive here, either. So, when native Americans object to Columbus Day, I see their point.

    • There were native American tribes living here, each with their own culture, their own government, their own language, their own social structures,

      Most were stateless societies, only the Maya had a written literature (though the Inca did have a record-keeping system which has never been deciphered), and the Carib Indians Columbus encountered were peculiarly belligerent and practiced cannibalism.

      Columbus didn’t “discover” anything. There were native American tribes living here,

      Who had expelled and killed the previous generation of ‘native american’ tribes.

      • Explain to me how someone can “discover” a new land that is already occupied by other people with their own languages and way of life. America was not an uninhabited wilderness. There were people here who were systematically killed and then marginalized by European invaders who took their land. Quoting Paul Revere and the Raiders: “They took our whole Indian nation and locked us on this reservation. Took away our way of life, the tomahawk and the Bowie knife. Took away our native tongue and taught their English to our young.”

        • Explain to me how someone can “discover” a new land that is already occupied by other people with their own languages and way of life.

          It was unknown within a particular set of cultural streams, and unknown to all four world civilizations, Natacha. Understanding the usage is not that difficult.

          • Oh, so it depends on whose perspective you view the matter. According to the Native Americans, who were already here, Columbus didn’t “discover” them. He started the European invasion that resulted in the annihilation of millions of Native Americans who were here first, and whose land and culture were taken from them. Native Americans were civilized people and reject the European perspective that the Americas were a “new land”. New to the Europeans, perhaps, but not to the indigenous people already living here.

            • Native Americans were civilized people and reject the European perspective that the Americas were a “new land”.

              Civilized? Compared to what? Why didn’t they just hoist a flag that said, “Were civilized, we reject your ways, stay out!”? Mexico is “civilized”; please tell that to the cartels. Venezuela is (was) civilized; tell that to those starving in the streets. NK is civilized; tell them to behave. Chicago is civilized; except on the weekends. Europe is civilized; perhaps they should tell that to the refugees.

              • Your conflating multiple uses of the term ‘civilized’. Nearly all parts of the contemporary world are civilized in the strict sense regarding division of labor and settlement sophistication. You’ve got some residual communities deep in tropical rain forest which are not.

                As for the other usage, you’re referring to crime and insurrection. Latin American has a bad problem with street crime, as do most African countries.

            • According to the Native Americans, w

              There were no ‘native Americans’ What there was was a collection of tribal bands – stateless societies – with varying degrees of technological sophistication but absolutely no urban population outside of three restricted zones. Some of them were congenial with adjacent bands, some antagonistic. Some of these tribes were cordial to outsiders, some vicious.

              There were two territorial states, one in what is now Mexico and one in what is now Peru (and the remnants of a set of city-states in what is now Guatemala). The territorial states in question were rather gruesome places and the peasant populations therein were well-rid of their overlords.

              Again, outside of the Aztec, Inca, and quondam Maya realms, they were a pre-civilized population. They didn’t have much culture. They had spoken language, some folklore and crafts, some customs attending family relations. Some folk religion. That’s it.

            • Natacha, I understand your point of view (I have Native Americans ancestors), but do you imagine that the last 500 or so years could have gone differently than the way they did, irrespective of Columbus’ existence?

            • Natacha – each tribe had its own territory, but other tribes would encroach on it. Attacking them, genocide was not unknown by Indians. The Lakota started with a very small territory and ended up with a large territory. They were the only tribe that Lewis and Clarke did not trust. The Last of the Mohicans is not a joke, it is real. The Iroquois wiped them out.

              At the same time there were very civilized tribes like the Mandan, who took in Lewis and Clarke over the winter. They were a very organized and friendly people. Where I grew up in Montana, I was surrounded by at least 10 tribes.

          • This should go in the dictionary as the best example of being able to justify absolutely anything far beyond the point of absurdity.

        • and then marginalized by European invaders who took their land.

          They had no delineated property ownership. Their ‘land’ was what they could hold and what they’d taken from the previous band inhabiting the territory.

          • The point is, this place was not uninhabited. The people who lived here were forced to abandon their traditional lands and to go to dry, arid, less-desirable reservation property so the Europeans could take over their fertile property for farming and homesteading. This is not “discovering” a new land: it’s invasion and destruction of cultures that were here first. Up until fairly recently, Native Americans were portrayed in film and television as savages, the bad guys, because they dared to object to being forced from their lands. Did you see “The Searchers”, for example, considered one of the front-runners for best Western of all time? In that film, John Wayne wanted to kill his niece who had been abducted as a child, because she’d “been with a buck”. They de-humanized Native American men to the status of an animal. Male slaves were also called “bucks”. Maybe that’s where your views come from. If you were Native American, you’d have a different view. They think the Europeans were the savages. It is a shameful past, and that’s why people object to Columbus Day being celebrated as a national holiday.

            • The point is,

              The actual point you keep missing, Natacha. Low technology societies compete and fight wars over what’s important to them, and that’s land. The aboriginal population in the Americas wasn’t distinct in this regard. Instead of fighting each other as they had been, they were fighting Spaniards, British, Portuguese, and French. You’ve elected to make yourself a partisan of them and not the Europeans because casting aspersions on more proximate populations in favor of exotics is how inadequate people work to feel better about their inadequate selves. You think you’re Jeremiah. You’re really a just an arrested-development case.

              As for their ‘cultures’, fhere wasn’t much there to begin with most places, that in the Aztec and Inca realms was best destroyed, and contemporary aboriginals have only a lackadaisical interest in their cultures.

              • Too bad Colombo wasn’t kinder and gentler like Natacha’s friends, the Moors!!! At the core of these leftists views is their absolute inability to understand history contextually, the ONLY way to analyze history. They want to obliterate, sanitize, and rewrite.

                At that point in time, it was all about discovering and dominating. Natacha’s hoping if aliens ever discover our planet they will come in peace. The odds on that are 5000-1.

              • The point you keep missing is that Columbus didn’t “discover” anything: he just started the European invasion of the Americas. How do you know what “cultures” were here, anyway? Native Americans’ cultures–language, wearing apparel, works of art, customs, religious beliefs, etc., were taken away because Europeans didn’t respect them, and what gives you the right to judge the adequacy or superiority of other peoples’ cultures? What qualifies you as the judge of Native Americans’ interest in their traditional cultures, anyway, at least to the extent that they can be reconstructed, because much of it was lost due to European invaders killing natives and destroying their cultures. People of mixed ancestry were taught to be ashamed of their Native American heritage, because it was supposedly inferior to the Europeans’. The “exotics” were the Europeans, and they had no right to invade the Americas and to kill and displace the native people living here, to destroy their cultures and their languages. Just like with the Egyptians, what gave Europeans the right to confiscate and take the actual bodies of their ancestors and the artifacts from their tombs? It was always illegal, so they just bribed people to look the other way and stole them anyway, to be displayed in museums for Europeans’ entertainment. It’s wrong, and you’re wrong. It’s arrogance based on white superiority, pure and simple. Egyptians are demanding the return of the bodies of their ancestors and their artifacts, and they’re right to do so. Maybe the day will come when people will dig up your mother and father and plunder whatever they think they can use for their entertainment or to make a buck on.

                • The point you keep missing is that Columbus didn’t “discover” anything:

                  You keep harping on a trivial point of usage. That’s because you have non trivial points to make.

                  he just started the European invasion of the Americas.

                  Are we going to hear you enlarging on Anglo-Saxon warriors in sub-Roman Britain? How about the Arabs running all over North Africa? There’s a reason one interests you and the other’s do not, and that reason discredits the poses you’ve been striking.

                  How do you know what “cultures” were here, anyway?

                  There is these subjects called ‘archaeology’ and ‘palaeo-anthropology’ and ‘cultural anthropology’. These methods are necessary because aboriginal populations left no texts from which to produce documentary histories.

                  Native Americans’ cultures–language, wearing apparel, works of art, customs, religious beliefs, etc., were taken away because Europeans didn’t respect them, and what gives you the right to judge the adequacy or superiority of other peoples’ cultures?

                  You do have a problem with understanding human behavior and agency. Let me explain it to you: culture evolves and people lose interest in certain things, sometimes in response to demographic or economic disruption. It’s not something someone ‘takes’ from you. It’s something you no longer maintain, generally because you have other priorities.

                  What qualifies you as the judge of Native Americans’ interest in their traditional cultures, anyway, at least to the extent that they can be reconstructed, because much of it was lost due to European invaders killing natives and destroying their cultures.

                  The same thing that qualifies you, someone who is not adverse to making judgments. I have a brain and a fund of liberal education. The difficulty we all have with you, Natacha, is that our brains and fund of knowledge, imperfect though they are, are devoted to learning and appreciating. Your’s are devoted to self-aggrandizement.

                  People of mixed ancestry were taught to be ashamed of their Native American heritage, because it was supposedly inferior to the Europeans’.

                  By whom, where? (And you do realize no one can make you feel inferior without your consent?)

                  The “exotics” were the Europeans, and they had no right to invade the Americas and to kill and displace the native people living here,

                  ‘Rights’ are incorporated in the architecture of social systems. They do not exist in terra incognita or on battlefields. The aboriginal populations you find so affecting did not recognize ‘rights’.

                  to destroy their cultures and their languages.

                  Their ‘cultures’ and ‘languages’ are not destroyed. It is true not many are interested in antique folk cultures with modest content, nor in difficult obscure languages. They still speak Quechua in Bolivia, because there’s a critical mass who speak it in domestic situations. You’re not crying over antique German dialects and Scots Gaelic, because there isn’t any status in your social circle in so doing.

                  Just like with the Egyptians, what gave Europeans the right to confiscate and take the actual bodies of their ancestors and the artifacts from their tombs? It was always illegal, so they just bribed people to look the other way and stole them anyway, to be displayed in museums for Europeans’ entertainment. It’s wrong, and you’re wrong.

                  You’re whining about preservation and display of artifacts in which local populations took no interest? (Recall that a confused local was using some of the Nag Hammadi manuscripts to fuel a cooking fire). While we’re at it, the descendants of Ancient Egyptians are the Egyptian Copts, not Egypt’s Arab majority. Were they not in the British museum, the artifacts would not be in institutions run by Copts. The Copts have other fish to fry right now, btw.

                  It’s arrogance based on white superiority, pure and simple. Egyptians are demanding the return of the bodies of their ancestors and their artifacts, and they’re right to do so. Maybe the day will come when people will dig up your mother and father and plunder whatever they think they can use for their entertainment or to make a buck on.

                  You’ve offered an anthropological howler in this discussion and you’re accusing me of ‘arrogance pure and simple’? You might benefit if you were listening as well as talking.

                • Maybe the day will come when people will dig up your mother and father and plunder whatever they think they can use for their entertainment or to make a buck on.

                  They both insisted on being cremated, and he also insisted on being scattered in the Pacific Ocean, so that’s not happening.

                • OMG, have you never heard of ossuaries, and the bones being crushed and used for making walls, etc??? Or how Europeans re-use graves. IIRC, it’s Belgium where bodies can lie for 100 years, and are then dug up. I forget how the bones are used.

                  You are just looking for a cause for all your righteous indignation. If you had been born 100 years ago, you would have been in the WCTU and busting up saloons with axes. I shudder to even think what you would have been if you were born in Germany, around 1920ish. But my guess is, the Allies would have had a post-war trial for you.

                  As far as you telling me how bad I am, I have yet to see you address any of the numbers, or comment on any of the videos I provide for your edification.

                  Squeeky Fromm
                  Girl Reporter

            • If you think this was sooo wrong, then give your home to an Indian and move back to Europe. I like to ponder what would have happened if the Chinese or Japanese had sailed East and discovered America. I bet they would have done the same thing, chase off the Indians and settled America. Or, if it was the Indians who had developed science and guns, and they sailed East and discovered a primitive Europe. You know, I bet they would have chased off the Anglo-Saxons and Celts, and settled Europe.

              Your big problem is, that you are just stuck in a “I want to feel bad and guilty about something” state of mind, so you cast around for stupid stuff to fit your mood. Why don’t you just go to a good Dom and get a spanking every week or so??? That would probably make you feel better. I give you permission to use “Squeeky” as your safe word!

              Squeeky Fromm
              Girl Reporter

              • No, I’m just repulsed by the likes of you–stupid, xenophobic, uneducated, arrogant, bleached, racist, and culturally-insensitive. Someone like you makes clear to me why some people of color hate white people.

                  • Desperate, I sometimes wonder if Isaac “Rain Man” and Natacha aren’t siblings. More likely just condescending socialists w/o any social skills. They are incapable of just a normal conversation.

                    • Rain Man and Natacha both applied to be contestants on Who Wants to be a Millionaire. But, they couldn’t come up w/ a friend to phone and were then disqualified.

                    • Isaac strikes me as a clinical case, and I don’t bother reading. Natacha strikes me as a recognizable bourgeois type, common in higher education. Thomas Sowell and Paul Hollandar have these types pegged.

                    • You’re not in danger of anyone finding you to be anything but a verbose, opinionated shrew.

            • “The people who lived here were forced to abandon their traditional lands ”

              You realize what the Europeans did to the Indians “forced to abandon” the Indians did to each other.

        • Some aliens from beyond planet Mars landed here where I live and said in English : We Discover!
          I said: Go back to India.

        • Natacha – the tomahawk is a British invention and the Bowie knife is an American invention. Paul Revere and the Raiders didn’t know s++t about history.

      • If I remember correctly Columbus’s great discovery from European perspective was that he discovered a way back to Europe. Others preceded him from Europe, but never made it back.Columbus, I believe, realized that he had to take a different route back than the route used to get to the America’s.

  12. In Paris and other European cities over the centuries, during the old fashioned wars where they used bronze cannons, statues erected of and by ‘famous’ or just rich people were routinely melted down into cannons after the dude and/or dudess had been dead and buried for a while. Foundries were set up in cathedrals after the French Revolution to turn bells into cannons. It seems that, perhaps, we need a good old fashioned war.

    There is certainly enough hate, stupidity, and lack of common sense on both sides. The right has a corner on the hate, racism, and bigotry market. The left has a corner on the stupidity and lack of common sense market. The statues should stay so that the controversies remain. It is important to revisit the past to understand ourselves. Every time an evangelical millionaire preacher gets nailed nailing someone in a cheap motel, we understand ourselves and religion a little bit better, not all of us and not a whole lot better, but some a little bit better. Every time a lefty gets tossed into jail for defacing a statue should direct us to both sides of the story behind that statue. Here we have the perfect vehicle for outing the racists, bigots, and nazis, idiots, etc., so they should stay. Out of sight, out of mind, and then dangerous.

    • LOL! “there’s no hate from the left..definitely no hate” says Rain Man. Steve Scalise, for one, would beg to differ. I could come up w/ many more VICTIMS of hatred, bigotry and racism from the left, but I’ve learned to not waste too much of my time w/ your ilk.

    • “The right has a corner on the hate, racism, and bigotry market.”

      No one side has the corner on hate, racism and bigotry. Only bigots think like that. Normal people on both sides recognize that racism and hate take one to a very empty place. The difference between right and left is more economic in that the left believes in paternalism and the right does not. Paternalism means that one believes they are superior to another and therefore find it their responsibility to lay out the appropriate path for those that are inferior (it need not be racial or even economic). It used to be that the left appeared to have more to say about our basic freedoms, but now that the mob has taken control over the left we see that they advocate only one type of freedom of speech, their own.

  13. Since when do minority protestors of any race, culture, or ideology get to decide what should be done with historical statues and monuments? Arrest them for vandalism if there has not been a jurisdictional vote on the matter.

  14. The first Democrat politician to rise up out of this nonsense to take ownership of the party’s racist past will find themselves connecting with the middle 50% of Americans that are looking for strong, principled leaders.

        • I think your comment is astute, Olly, but I lost faith in Democrats ca. late 2009, early 2010 (I know, I know, I’m a slow learner, apparently). Have been an unenrolled voter since then.

            • Same here Olly. Though I started out Democrat and then split my vote hoping that no one party would dominate I moved to the Repblicans only to decide I have no place left to go. I will only support candidates that believe in the Constitution, smaller government and fiscal responsibility. That limits my choices to a very few.

              In your comment above, Cape Cod’ I changed an ‘o’ to an ‘a’ to better reflect what I believe we all believe.

              “Leadership from the current crAp of Democrats?”

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