This weekend, the New York bar lost one of its most accomplished lawyers, David Buckel, 60. Buckel reportedly burned himself to death in Brooklyn’s Prospect Park on Saturday morning. Buckel was the lead attorney in the lawsuit brought by Teena Brandon, a transgender man who was raped and slain in 1993 in Nebraska. The case inspired the 1999 movie “Boys Don’t Cry.” He left a suicide note reading “I am David Buckel and I just killed myself by fire as a protest suicide. I apologize to you for the mess.”
Buckel also represented Jamie Nabozny in Nabozny v. Podlesny, in the United States Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit in a challenge to “consistent and significant anti-gay bullying and abuse.” He also argued Lewis v. Harris in the New Jersey Supreme Court against the use of “civil unions” which he insisted assigns us a second-class status.”
Buckel also fought for the environment and was the prototypical public interest attorney. His horrible death has shocked many across the country after his charred remains were found in the park. He left a suicide note in a shopping cart near his body that said he hoped his death was “honorable” and “might serve others.”
Those who worked with him posted their shock and grief at the news of his passing.
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The news of David Buckel’s death is heartbreaking. This is a tremendous loss for our Lambda Legal family, but also for the entire movement for social justice. http://bit.ly/2HmK1Ki
Lambda Legal Mourns the Tragic Death of Former Marriage Project Director David Buckel
The tragic death of former Lambda Legal Marriage Project Director David Buckel has been reported by news outlets.
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He leaves behind a daughter, Hannah Broholm-Vail, who he was raising with Terry Kaelber. They co-parented with Rona Vail and Cindy Broholm.
He was a 1987 graduate from Cornell Law School.
David Buckel left a remarkable legacy of fighting for civil rights and the environment. His suicide leaves a giant void in the communities that he served. However, his legacy helped guarantee a new generation of young lawyers committed to these same public interest values.
Hannity.
LOL.
My theory is that he had some pressing reason that made him want to die. Since he was going to commit suicide anyway, why not use it to promote a cause? Plus, burning the body would make it more difficult to determine any pre-existing medical condition, like terminal cancer or some other illness.
On the other hand, if he really did kill himself by immolation to protest anthropogenic global warming, then he was a mentally unstable extremist. Anything can become your religion, and there are social justice or environmental fanatics.
Either way, I am saddened by what happened. He was either mentally unstable and needed help, or he had some dread reason like a painful illness he was trying to escape. He was another suicidal person, walking around in full view of thousands of people who would have helped him, but not sharing his pain. By all accounts, he was an excellent lawyer. Unless he was terminally ill, he would have had years ahead of him in which to help people, causes, and just live.
I hope that if there is a silver lining, that this is a sobering reality check to any SJWs out there who are attaining a cult-like mind set. I fear, however, that it may lead to copy cats.
He chose a particularly painful way to die. He would have inhaled burning air and scorched his lungs and sinuses. The pain would be unbelievable, and once it started, he wouldn’t be able to stop it. That is why I wondered if he was trying to destroy the evidence of his body. If it was just to make a statement, then, I wonder if at some point he regretted what he had done. I wonder if he had drugged himself ahead of time to help with the pain. This is macabre imaginings, but it is just so shocking when people do this.
There was just a photograph of a burning protestor that won an award. Could it have influenced the disturbed lawyer? https://www.worldpressphoto.org/news/2018-04-12/venezuelan-photographer-ronaldo-schemidt-wins-world-press-photo-year-award The photo was at fist misattributed to a deliberate act. However, a protestor against the government-induced starvation and mass deaths in Venezuela was accidentally set aflame when a motorcycle’s gas tank exploded. He survived.
Yep.
Karen S – I am hoping it leads to copycats. 😉
@Karen S April 17, 2018 at 11:44 AM
“Either way, I am saddened by what happened. He was either mentally unstable and needed help, or he had some dread reason like a painful illness he was trying to escape. He was another suicidal person, walking around in full view of thousands of people who would have helped him, but not sharing his pain.”
Do you mean, “people who could have helped him if they had shared his pain”? In other words, if they had empathized with him and then had the compassion to help him see ways out of his pain, despair, and/or anger, other than suicide?
We don’t know what efforts were made to that end by his family and friends, but we do know from the evidence provided by the many egregiously callous comments here and the sorry state of the world with its never-ending violence and thermonuclear Sword of Damocles hanging over its head, that neither empathy nor compassion exists in superabundance.
On the other hand and on a much happier note, a common component of near-death experiences (NDE), “the life review,” rectifies to one extent or another the dearth of both in much of human society:
“The effect of a life review [in an NDE] is often a strongly transformative experience. Experiencers describe them as extremely unpleasant from the perspective of the unhappiness they had inflicted on others, including feelings they had never dreamed of as resulting [from it], and equally pleasant from the perspective of the good feeling they had brought to others’ lives, extending to the littlest forgotten details. [Emphasis added]
“To some extent, this experience resembles purgatory. The Tibetan Buddhist understanding can be found in The Tibetan Book of The Dead, and is known as Bardo Thodol (the stage between life and afterlife).
“Experiencers often report a sharp drop in materialistic outlook (both acquisitive and philosophical), an intensified compassion for others and sense of interconnectedness, newfound altruistic activities, personality changes (though occasionally entailing divorce), a new interest in self-education and spirituality, and so on. [Emphasis added]
“Dannion Brinkley, as one instance, described himself as putting off previously deep-rooted sociopathic traits ingrained from a difficult childhood, through his work as a sniper in the Vietnam War.
“A frequent comment by experiencers [of the life review] is that they later strongly avoided unethical or inconsiderate actions because they wanted to avoid painfully reliving the receiving end of the action which they knew would await them.” [My emphasis]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_review
What more appropriate justice is conceivable than having to experience the pain that we’ve inflicted on others and getting to enjoy the happiness we’ve afforded them?
On this growing body of evidence and testimony,* it would seem that like it or not, we’ll all become empathetic, though some of us may have to die to do so.
*”The prevalence of NDE in the adult population has been estimated by several major surveys. A Gallup Poll in 1992 led to an estimate that 13 million Americans had experienced a NDE. The population of the United States in 1992 was approximately 260 million, leading to an estimate of NDE prevalence of 13 million/260 million, or 5%.”
http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/Research/number_nde_usa.htm
This is one publicity stunt that won’t be copycatted. It speaks of profound alienation, I’m guessing a combination of mental health problems and self-righteous political militancy. When you conjure up the breathtaking strides of the gay rights movement in the past 15 years, it’s hard to fathom the sense of defeatism and defiance that would lead a lawyer with a family to self-immolate.
This weekend, the New York bar lost one of its most accomplished lawyers,
Accomplished at what? At making a public nuisance of himself? At peddling the idea that it’s the business of the courts and legislatures to issue edicts to various parties compelling them to kow tow to vociferous sexual deviants (whose problems in living can only be addressed through means individual and inward)?
David Buckel left a remarkable legacy of fighting for civil rights
I.e. of fighting to trash freedom of contract, freedom of association, and the freedom of all of us to defy the fashions of the appellate judiciary and the law professoriate.
He leaves behind a daughter,
No, he leaves behind a juvenile assigned to him by the Family Courts of New York, who have asserted that they themselves define the family, not law or tradition.
Someone who sets themself on fire is about as crazy as anyone gets. Mightn’t that cast a retrospective shadow on his life and work?
The man had friends and the man had family (some of whom indubitably doted on him; those types commonly do). However, his life as it was is a cautionary example for others. A little truth, please.
What you said.
Squeeky Fromm
Girl Reporter
Squeeky – you are baaaaaaaaaaaaack 😉
I have been instructed to warn you to stay away from the saccharine responses of L4D.
Hi PaulCS!!!
I haven’t really been gone. I just got a new guitar a few days ago, and I have been playing with it. It is called a Variax Standard, and it is very kewl! It looks and plays like a Strat, BUT, if you engage the Model Button, it sounds like any of 60 guitars/settings. 50 of them are built in, and there is a spot for 10 custom desgns of your own making. Which, I will be putting together a Jazzmaster and maybe a manouche as soon as I figure out how to use the Workbench software.
Sooo, like I can play strat, or turn the knob and be playing a Gretsch 6120 like Sharin Foo, of the Foo Fighters. (:
Or, turn the knob and be playing a Sitar, or a banjo. or a 1959 Les Paul, or a Rickenbacker 12 string. PLUS, you can even do alternate tunings on it, so I can turn another knob and be in Open G, or Open A, or DADGAD. The only problem I have had is I keep forgetting to unplug the amp cord, and the battery goes poof while I am asleep.
PLUS, I got a Dimarzio 138 acoustic pickup thingy, and I have been playing acoustic more. I had a Seymour Duncan Woody, and a couple of old timey pickups for acoustic, and they were OK, but they needed to be run thru a preamp, or my big acoustic amp to sound right, But the Dimarzio sounds great on the little amp, the Yamaha THR10, which has an acoustic option on it.
Sooo, that is where I have been. It looks like my “flaming f*****” comment got yanked, so I will repost the Irish Poem, which probably passed muster. That is why I could not answer your other comment about Flambo.
Squeeky Fromm
Girl Reporter
Squeeky – sounds like you found a new boyfriend. 🙂 Enjoy!!!!
Oh, it’s better than boyfriend! It won’t sneak off to Laredo and then over the border to Boy’s Town to screw around with Mexican whores.
Squeeky Fromm
Girl Reporter
Squeeky – I have every confidence that you fulfill any needs you bf has/had. 😉
Nope. I was horrible to him, and he hardly ever “got any.” Sooo, I was glad when he gave me an excuse to boot him out. And my parents couldn’t say anything about it, because he was a cheater. He was a nice enough person, and he is better off without me. He found a new girlfriend, got her pregnant, all within a year, and now they are married. And I hear they are expecting kid number three. Sooo, I did him a kindness! The only reason I ever had a boyfriend in the first place was because everybody else had one, and I didn’t want to look like a weirdo. But the truth is, I was always happier just being alone.
Squeeky Fromm
Girl Reporter
Squeeky – unless you are dead set to live alone, I personally think you have a lot to offer to the ‘right’ person.
That is a nice thing to say, and I appreciate it very much! But probably I am just going to stay alone unless there is some sort of biological alarm clock thingy that goes off in me. Which, I hope there isn’t one and the idea that it happens to some girls is extremely frightening to me. In the meantime, I do my best to insulate myself from any sort of temptation by not dating or even hanging out with men socially if I can avoid it at all. Penelope’s boyfriend du jours are the most dangerous thing around because until they learn that I am serious about staying single and celibate, they are always trying to fix me up with their single friends, and I hate to be rude to them. But sometimes they just invite them over and I have to sort of be polite and not just tell them to FOAD. God, I dread those situations because usually they are very nice guys and all, but I just frigging don’t want them. And when they find out that I have been celibate for 7 or 8 years, it is like some kind of challenge, or maybe they just like girls who aren’t out there screwing around like crazy. Whatever, those are the most uncomfortable situations, and I hate being put in them.
Squeeky Fromm
Girl Reporter
Squeeky – well, some people are meant to be hermits. 🙂 As long as you are happy with your life, enjoy the heck out of it.
Haha. Keep bangin your head against the wall. This is a legal blog. Lawyers fight for justice for the oppressed and act as a voice for the muted. Who do you think fights the good fight to protect the rights of all Americans, no matter their race, gender, creed, color, religion or sexual orientation? Pro tip: reddit is down the hall. Although I’m sure you already know exactly where it is; I’ll betcha can find some fellow spiteful, hateful, miserable, close-minded, intolerant, frightened and timid losers to trade insults with.
ths is to “I think I should get to decide who’s worthy” nutty sufferer
Lawyers fight for justice for the oppressed and act as a voice for the muted.
In your imagination.
Yeah, people who like to put their weenies in other people’s rear ends, and vice versa, are truly an oppressed group! Because where would Western Civilization be without sodomy, which to some people is the most important activity in the whole wide world! Yep, gotta protect that! And Child Sex Robots! Access to that is another important right, too!
Squeeky Fromm
Girl Reporter
Reblogged this on sdbast.
We should all knock ourselves off when the body does not function anymore. But to set yourself on fire might damage others. When he gets to the Pearly Gates there will be a stand-in for Saint Peter. He will be an arsonist who will judge the handling of the suicide. This guy might go to Hell in a handbasket. And be burned at the stake.
Dear TURLEY What’s the problem? Immigration issue is unclear? I believe it is okay.
sad, pointless act that will not change anyone’s minds.
That’s what makes it so pointless — that he and other “social justice warriors” don’t get the fact that you can’t change people’s minds. People have to change their own minds.
Threatening people won’t change their minds, legislation won’t change their minds, punishment won’t change their minds. All you can do is live your life, and if it sets a good example — reflects something that others might want to emulate — it might cause others to change their own minds.
Nobody who reads or hears about this is going to come away thinking, “Yeah, I want to be like THAT guy.”
The social justice nonsense has the exact opposite effect of what the delusional fools think they’re trying to accomplish.
Actually leads one to the possible conclusion that his lifelong advocacy rendered him insane.
mespo – speaking as a devil’s advocate here, but they could have changed his psycho-tropics.
Even putting fossil fuels aside, there’s plenty of evidence the planet is being destroyed. Probably not much any of us can do about it:
https://e360.yale.edu/features/insect_numbers_declining_why_it_matters
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/02/180201085800.htm
sciencemag.org/news/2017/05/where-have-all-insects-gone
smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/pesticides-have-led-catastrophic-decline-frances-bird-populations-180968562/
I had a suicide case involving self-immolation. Speak whatever you will about the victim but whatever damnation you wish upon him is irrelevant compared with what a person suffers in dying this way. The only thing I am thankful for was not being the one who had to break this horrific news to his parents.
One aspect of suicides is that often they idealize or minimize the trauma/pain they will suffer and once they pass the point of no return they pray to God they could go back and the terror would end. Once consumed by fire, it’s probably the worst thing a human can experience.
That said, unfortunately it often takes such desperate measures to bring injustice to the notice of the world. At least today, compared with past events such as in South Vietnam, the Czech Republic, Hungary, Washington, DC, the individual has the ability to more easily have a voice through social media and publish on the Internet. But still, despite that, one can still become drowned out in the noise.
“… it often takes such desperate measures to bring injustice to the notice of the world.”
Actually, injustice is everywhere. It always has been and it always will be. All one has to do is open one’s eyes and look around. To live, one carries one’s own burdens. Trying to force others to carry your burden for you is also a form of injustice, except that it’s intentional infliction of injustice, whereas other forms of injustice just sort of naturally arise out of being part of a society.
This guy was only concerning about is own concept of injustice regarding his own cause, and was likely as blind as everyone else to other forms of injustice that he chose not to see.
Totally self-centered. Again, the exact opposite of Buddhism.
A sad act only made more tragic by the inhumane indifference of comments like the one above.
There’s nothing whatever in my comment that represents “inhumane indifference.” The inhumane indifference is in your own mind and in your insistence that others see things the same way as you and the worthless jerk that chose to do this to his own family.
Newsflash: You have to live to change the world. Anyone who thinks they can change the world by dying has a Jesus complex.
I’d feel sorry for the guy if he hadn’t inflicted this horror on his own loved ones (and if he weren’t a lawyer).
I wish I could convey to them that their lives will be better without this guy around.
You have ZERO human values. None at all. And you’re trying to drag everyone else down to your worthless level of existence.
You are totally correct, Mr. Bayer, and the commenter above you is virtue-signaling: “I thank God that I am not like that terrible person over there.”
All suicides are self-centered. The pain and anguish they leave behind is unconscionable. The only exception I can think of would be end-of-life terminal illness and pain.
“Desire is the cause of all suffering”
A kind and insightful post Darren. He must have been in a lot of pain. My maternal grandfather killed himself. A simple country man he did not seek help – and back in the 70s knowledge of depression was not common. Went into the bathroom and blew his head off. As they lived on a farm I always wonder why he chose to do it inside leaving my grandmother with “double” horror to deal with.
– and back in the 70s knowledge of depression was not common.
I see you don’t have much of an internal editor.
I think she meant knowledge of how to treat depression. And she’s correct.
Depression is not an illness. They actually did have psychotropics to peddle in 1975, though psychiatry was still dominated by the talking cure. The suicide rate has, for nearly 70 years, fluctuated within a band of modest dimensions. The pill-pushers can’t claim much more success that the purveyors of talk. There is one secure outcome to the ministrations of psychiatrists and clinical psychologists: the therapist gets paid.
FU – Major depression IS most certainly an illness. To be sure not all suicides are preventable, but plenty are. I’m pretty sure that something was off with my grandfather for him to do have “finished” himself off in that way.
No, depression is not an illness. Whether an individual suicide is ‘preventable’ or not, the frequency of them has remained in this country roughly similar through three distinct regimes in psychiatric care.
FFS – watch lots of comedy shows, that’s what I do. 😉
DSS – depression was around, we just didn’t panic about it. We got over it in the 70s.
“Grisly,” not “grizzly,” if you get a chance to make the correction. Many thanks.
Wonder if the NYC Parks Dept. will send a bill to the estate for the cleanup of the mess Buckel made?
However, his legacy helped guarantee a new generation of young lawyers committed to these same public interest values.
Not one mention of the obvious; his mental state. It’s as though you purposefully want to hide any connection of his questionable sanity with the social justice cause. By doing so, you are actually making the case his mental state was and will continue to be the norm within that movement. And for that, well done!
You’re right to raise the point of mental state, which clearly was frayed. You’re wrong to connect it to a social justice cause.
You’re wrong to connect it to a social justice cause.
No, he’s quite right. It is inconvenient for you, but that’s life.
You’re wrong to connect it to a social justice cause.
That comment should be directed to our host. For obvious reasons you can’t direct your comment to the charred remains of what was once a lawyer, as he made this connection, not me. Until JT wrote this article, I had no idea who this individual was and I certainly had no idea of his social justice advocacy. But now we all get to know the connection.
Someone mentioned this might inspire copycats. Oh what a legacy his final act would be.
David – I consider the environment an SJW cause.
I think more SJW should follow his example. Lead, and we shall but follow. Sheeple SJWs will be setting fire to themselves across the country.
It’s the cowards way out. I’m all for reducing cowardice.
Agreed, but it would be better if other lawyers would follow his example.
Mespo, take heed.
If Mespo is a lawyer, he probably knows far funnier lawyer jokes than I.
William Bayer:
Oh I do. Here’s my favorite:
Q: What does a lawyer get when you give him Viagra?
A: Taller
LOL — I KNEW it. Don’t tell me I don’t know lawyers!
We try not to take ourselves to seriously; the work is another matter.
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Don’t you have to submit a motion for Leave Instanter to file a corrected brief? Anyway, this isn’t the appellate court. If it’s comprehensible, typos are de minimis.
And being the king of typos, I’m really just saying that for my own benefit.
Motion granted!
“Motion granted!” That’s my third favorite quote.
The first two are “Congratulations. You’re book has been accepted for publication” and “Drop the shovel, Bill, you’re under arrest.”
I always liked: “I’m Ed McMahon and you might be wondering why I’m standing on your stoop with this huge Publishers Clearing House check in my hand!”
That would be my favorite, if it was a quote that had actually been directed to me.
Nobody who’s worth anything takes themselves too seriously. That’s why I don’t mind insulting people. If they’re worth anything, they won’t feel insulted. And if they feel insulted — well, ain’t that a shame.
mespo – you cannot tell me that that is not Mueller’s permanent game face. BTW, we just lost R Lee Emry, R.I.P.
Hail and farewell, Gunny!
Your days of finger-fu**ing little Maryjane rotten-crotch are OVER!
I already miss Gunnery Sergeant Hartmann.
the above was to paulie
Did you know that there are only two lawyer jokes? The rest are true stories.
LOL — I hope I haven’t set off a chain reaction.
Q: How does an attorney sleep? A: First he lies on one side, then he lies on the other.
the above was a response to Mespo’s hilarity
William Bayer – it is not the joke, it is how you tell it. You have to own it. Personalize it. ‘;)
You mean like: If it weren’t for circumcision, we wouldn’t know what Stormy Daniels’ Lawyer’s face looks like.
William Bayer – that is baaaaaaaaaaaaaaad. 😉
Sorry, Linda distracted me with her response. For some reason I keep returning to it.
YNOT:
Sure there are some lawyers I’d like to burn but I take solace in the fact that it’s just a matter of time before someone else does it for me. 😈
Suicide is the strongest argument against life, not for life. This guy was depressed, caught by something he could not control, and chose not to fight but to exit. He didn’t throw himself on a grenade. It is hard to believe that he did what he did, as someone with all of his faculties, as a protest or in order to make the world a better place; when he was more useful alive and fighting and could have continued to ‘make the world a better place’. Perhaps it wasn’t a choice. Whatever it was it was madness.
Why would anyone assume he did what he did “as a protest or in order to make the world a better place”? He did what he did because it was what he wanted to do. There’s nothing about the incident that suggests he was thinking of anyone or anything but himself.
I thought his note indicated some protest purpose, or something.
Uh huh — but just because he wrote something doesn’t mean that was his actual motive. It’s a very rare person who’s in touch with themselves to understand what their actual motive is.
Ah. Good point.
There’s suicide, exiting quickly and painlessly and then there is self immolation. There’s a difference and it comes down to madness. It was his madness that connected suicide with a statement.
True. And/but it occurred to me later that he might have been dead before he set himself on fire. If he sat down and gave it a good think, he could’a probably figured out a way to painlessly kill himself and then set his body on fire using a crude timing device.
He certainly was not a pragmatist. His act will not have any political effect. He just harms those who loved him.
Obviously unstable mentally given his horrific suicide and his fantasy notion that killing yourself changes anything. Wonder why no one criticizes him for the havoc this manner of death visits on the bystanders. Too unPC, I suppose. His childrearing by committee is a tad novel but he’s obviously a guy bucking social norms leading to his apparent frustration. As usual, time-tested social norms takes the game, set and match.
“It was reminiscent of the self-immolation of Buddhist monks in Vietnam.”
Disagree. Only someone who’s self-possessed and has ZERO respect for what Buddhism is about and what Vietnamese monks were doing would write that ridiculous sentence.
What should I do to honor David Buckel’s sacrifice? I should do something. But what?
Send a donation to the poor park workers who had to clean up his self-indulgent mess.
Imitate him.
Very funny, sirrah.
Not intended to be funny. Nice to see you finally learned how to spell sirrah.
Thou art such a sad creature, Bayer.
LOL — “Thou art” — LOL — “sirrah” — LOL
Get real
She can’t. She’s not.
The shocking comments of mespo and Bayer’s and the fact that the international Turley blog is a place they felt comfortable posting the comments, makes it impossible to ignore the evil in our fellow man.
They mistake pettiness for virtue, because they mistake virtue for manliness while confusing pettiness with manliness. They will never stop being spoiled rotten little boys.
Says the spoiled rotten little malignant jackass.
L4D:
Oh, please explain exactly how setting yourself on fire in a public place where passersby (including kids) can see the result comprises any particular virtue.
And the wait continues!
I’m not your clock, imperious one.
True enough: clocks are reliable and useful.
Commitment. Conviction. Care. Concern.
All selfishly disregarded in regards to the persons who mattered most to him — his daughter and “husband” — in service to some abstract notion of social equality and inclusion.
Diane – I came from a family of six, I was never spoiled. Speak for yourself.
What’s shocking is Turley comparing this self-indulgent fool to Buddhist monks. You be offended by what offends you, and I’ll be offended by what offends me.
And it’s also shocking that someone would try to shame people into not expressing their disgust at the actions of a disgusting clown that decided to leave THIS memory for his loved ones to have to live with.
Speaking ill of the dead is very low behavior. Why not just go to that park in Brooklyn and dance a jig atop the scorched earth where the sacrifice was made. instead???
Sure. Where did anyone make a sacrifice. This guy just to the biggest dump he could on his own child.
David Buckel made his life sacred by giving it up in an act of propitiation for a cause greater than himself.
LOL LOL LOL (hang on — gotta catch my breath — OK) LOL LOL LOL
Man, you are one worthless lost cause of a person. Keep on condemning people that don’t subscribe to your prefabricated nonsense.
Diane – his self-immolation was a selfish act which harmed everyone who loved him and helped no one.
Sacrifice? That’s an insult to anyone that ever humbly gave their life to save others. This was a selfish act, pure and simple. His social justice cause and ash-heap will forever be synonymous.
It doesn’t have to be a contest, Chief.
Life is a contest. One that this guy lost in a very self-centered way. That will be his legacy.
Olly said, “Life is a contest. One that this guy lost in a very self-centered way.”
Go collect your existential winnings from the dead, Chief.
I collect everyday thanks to those that have honorably sacrificed much for this nation. You of course are invited to go collect from this SJW; you would be advised however to bring a broom and dustpan.
OLLY – for men, life is always a contest. For him, it ended as an ash heap of his own making.
He said, “This was a selfish act, pure and simple.” The fact that you don’t get that is your problem. People such as you are a cancer upon the face of the Earth.
What the Chief said is wrong on the face of it.
And a “Thou art,” “sirrah” FOOL such as you is the judge of what’s right and what’s wrong.
Got it. You can stop demonstrating what kind of nimrod you are.
William Bayer – do you mind if I borrow “nimrod” I think I am overusing “twit.” 🙂
That’s one they used to use in old Bugs Bunny cartoons, if I recall correctly. I only remembered it the other day after not having used it in probably 55 years.
William Bayer – isn’t it from the Bible? I just do not want to take the time to look it up. 🙂
Yes, I believe there’s also a biblical character named Nimrod (I’m not that familiar with the Old Testament, except to know from Cecil B. DeMille’s Ten Commandments (which aired every Easter of my youth on ABC) that Dathan spoke with a Brooklyn accent.
Here’s the WHOLE story:
https://dotandline.net/when-bugs-bunny-beat-the-bible-59a761550245
William Bayer – thanks for looking it up. Now that it is in common usage, I will use it along with twit. 🙂
And in a pinch, you can always say, “What a maroon.”
William Bayer – doesn’t have the bite.
That’s something to teach a parrot to say. People would die laughing.
Yep — but these mind-conditioned morons will never get that. Their hobby is trying to force others to think like them because a drunken jerk like Hillary told them they are superior. It’s the easiest thing in the world to get people to believe what they want to believe, so they bought it. And now they spread their delusional manure thinking that they’re enlightening the world.
It would be funny if it weren’t so sad.
Perhaps you should stick to conducting the music of the spheres. The celestial choir does not know the lyrics to the tune your singing above, Bayer.
Oh, man. Get help
A celestial choir weeps when Bayer writes.
LOL LOL LOL — Oh, man — where do people like you come from? How does a person live in the real world and get so out of touch with reality? — “celestial choir” — good lord. What a piece of blithering nonsense you are.
If we find out where they come from, can we send them back?
Please?
D. Smith – the celestial choir sings and goes back to chilling on the clouds. They do not cry.
I wouldn’t be motivated to speak ill of him, except that the moderator insisting on uttering a mess of rubbish/
Who? Darren or JT?
The original post was written by Turley. Darren’s post was a reminiscence about a case he’d been assigned to. JT was the one offering profiles of this lawyer, not Darren.
D. Smith:
Oh grow up, D. Smith, and spare me the mushy virtue signaling. Here’s a guy who did some good work but threw it all away in a final act of narcissistic spectacle. Likely, he was insane as self-injury is the classic definition of insanity, but maybe not. It also could be: “Hey, look at me I’m lighting up the world with my concern!”
You may want to glorify the quitters; I prefer the doers.
He didn’t do any good work that anyone outside his immediate social circle is likely to know anything about.. He was a social problem. There are people who will miss him for purely personal reasons, however.
I suppose you could say taking down a bully is societal “good work.” I’d like to know more about the case before deciding though.
He didn’t take down any bullies. The youngster was a miserable straw plaintiff who’d graduated from high school.
Gruesome. Accomplished, yes, but the manner of his suicide will be his legacy. Social Justice warrior-ing is bad for your mental health.
… and worse for everyone else’s mental health. That’s one of the many differences that Turley doesn’t get between what this clown was doing and what the Buddhist monks Turley compared him to were doing. One thing Buddhist monks don’t do is inflict themselves and their lifestyles on others. They’re sort of like the Amish that way.
As you talk ill of the dead, Bayer, so will it be said about you. But, it won’t be about your unkindness to yourself, it will be about your cruelty to others.
As if you know anything about me. As if you’re the judge of my life. As if I’m worthless because I’ve known people who’ve actually suffered and actually made sacrifices that you could never imagine — you worthless pile of nonsense.
Social Darwinism is bad for the soul and it leaves the world a place, worse for the person’s living e.g. the Koch’s.