President Trump To Nominate Bill Barr For Attorney General

440px-William_Barr,_official_photo_as_Attorney_GeneralPresident Donald Trump is reportedly considering the appointment of Bill Barr to be the 77th Attorney General of the United States.   If true, it would be Barr’s second stint as Attorney General after his service 1991 to 1993 during the administration of President George H. W. Bush — only the second time in history for such a successive appointment.  I have known Bill Barr for years and represented him during the Clinton impeachment (with other former Attorneys General).  He is one of the most brilliant lawyers I have known and would be a brilliant selection by President Trump for the position.  To put it simply, he is the perfect choice for this position at this time.  He is a rock solid leader who would bring stability and authority to the Justice Department.

Barr is an academic brat whose parents were leading academics at Columbia University.  Mary and Donald Barr. His father was a particularly fascinating figure. Before teaching English at Columbia, Donald Barr wrote science fiction novels, New York Times reviewer, and was a headmaster.  In World War II, he served in the Office of Strategic Services (OSS) – the predecessor of the CIA.

Barr inherited his parents intense patriotism and intellect.  He received his B.A. degree in government and his M.A. degree in government and Chinese studies in 1973 from Columbia. He then graduated with honors from George Washington University Law School in 1977 with honors. He has long been one of our most distinguished alumni at GWU.

Barr worked for the Central Intelligence Agency while he studied at GWU.  He then clerked on the D.C. Circuit for Judge Malcolm Wilkey.  Barr then held a variety of public and private legal positions.  He was ultimately appointed the Assistant Attorney General for the Office of Legal Counsel under President Bush.  He was then promoted to Deputy Attorney General in 1990 and then in 1991 replaced Attorney General Richard Thornburgh as Acting Attorney General.  He was later nominated to that position and was easily confirmed.

Barr was popular with agents and viewed as a conservative, law-and-order Attorney General.  He later assumed high corporate positions with companies like Verizon.

That is one of the most impressive and varied resumes in Washington.  Barr has done it all and performed consistently as the highest possible level.  He is a brilliant legal mind and a natural leader.  He is also a talented bagpiper, a talent he first showed at age eight. When I would speak with him on the Verizon plane heading to some international meeting, Barr would often bring his pipes.  I loved the image of Bill banging away on his pipes at 20,000 feet above the Atlantic Ocean.  He is simply a man comfortable in his own skin — someone who marches literally to his own tune.

98 thoughts on “President Trump To Nominate Bill Barr For Attorney General”

  1. I don’t see what the hubbub is here. Bill Barr appears to be rational and experienced, at least. What is wrong with that? He could certainly be one of the “best people” that Trump has said he was going to hire.

  2. Good choice for Trump on day that special counsel flopped with Cohen and Manafort sentencing memos. Bimbo payments were tossed in to the Cohen plea so that Cohen could ingratiate himself with SDNY & SCO and SDNY could ingratiate itself with SCO for the referral and include a hook in weak attempt to ensnare president. No way Burr will go along with this campaign finance nonsense as Trump has history of paying off bimbos and there were upwards of 15+ bimbos coming out of the woodwork around the time of election (only these tow got paid). If anything there should be an investigation of how NBC coordinated with DNC to release the Billy Bush tape late in election cycle and right before crucial debate with Madam Hilary Clinton.

    1. Bill Martin,….
      – I only read a couple of summaries of what prosecutors and the OS Counsel sunmitted yesterday.
      The “hush money” flip-flop” ( his past and current) statements by Cohen can be viewed as a “he said, he said” issue with respect to Trump’s version.
      Given that Cohen taped his clients when acting as their “lawyer”, there may be something that confirms Cohen’s latest, “moral compass” version.
      If a Cohen tape supports an allegation of campaign finance law violation with Trump’s participation, then the House can decide if they want to initiate impeachment proceedings based on that allegation.
      Absent other compelling evidence that is aspecifically related to the “collusion” issue, I think they’d be reluctant to take up the “hush money” as a basis for impeachment.

      1. Special counsel investigation is like party balloon slowly loosing its helium and drifting downward from high ceiling as we approach year-end. Lefty loons blindly went straight for the bimbo hook last night out of desperation and do not see irony of going after weak campaign finance stuff like that compared to their god Bill Clinton abusing power in White House with gullible young intern. Last night was like dollar beer night on campus for lefty loons, and this morning all that remains are hangovers and no more straws to grasp.

        1. Yeah, Bill, but the same claims are unfairly aimed at the ongoing “coven collusion” investigations.
          As you and others know, grand jury proceedings are secret, so I can’t comment on those.
          Our preference would that any subsequent proceedings, like trials and sentencing, also be secretly held, but some legal technicalities prevent that.
          I can only say that it is “highly probably” 😉that indictments will be issued by the grand jury, and the ties to our AM propagandist and deflector will “likely”😒become well-established.
          Sorry I can’t mention any names, but she is currently only a “subject”, not a “target”, of our special investigations.

      2. Felonious activity framed as innocent “hush money.” Perhaps some felonies are OK and some are not. We will see….

  3. Barr and his philosophy have been compared by many to be as right-wing as Sessions’. Probably he’s smarter than Sessions.

  4. A “war on drugs” should be made against tobacco and the companies who make and sell it. Smokers are dumb. Guns are quicker. Give each smoker a .38 caliber pistol and one bullet with their name on it. Regarding opioids. Doctors need to be required to quit giving these out or selling them. Guns are quicker.

    1. I recently had my first experience with opioids. I was given the lowest possible dose (5 mg along with 375 mg of basically Tylenol) My prescription 1 pill every 6-hours as needed with enough to last a week. They didn’t even prescribe it until I complained of pain which they indicated later they knew I would have and that over the counter meds wouldn’t be enough. I took the pills 4 days before I no longer needed them. I’m certain that I needed the medication and that it wasn’t over prescribed.

      1. Enigma,…
        The most noticeable and prominent feature in this “War on Opiods” will be that tens of millions of patients in legitimate need of pain relief will be denied medication.
        This pendulum has historically swung back and forth, with alternating views of proper and sensible pain management getting the upper hand.
        There can also be strong regional influences, where one medical enclave views excrutiating pain as a tolerable inconvenvenience, and another enclave recognizes that skyrating pulse rates and blood pressure that often accompany pain should merit some attention.
        In this current position of the pendulum, virtually every doctor and institution is aware that they could potentially be targeted if theu are perceived as being too “lenient” in prescribing pain meds.
        The opiod death “statistics” often include street drugs, alchohol abuse, and multiple factors that don’t have a damn thing to do with legitimately prescribed drugs.
        None of that will matter with the current “save our junkies” campaign.

        1. “The most noticeable and prominent feature in this “War on Opiods” will be that tens of millions of patients in legitimate need of pain relief will be denied medication.”

          Tom, you got it. (I’m not sure of the number being denied.)

          1. Allan,
            – Since I’ve seen this act play out before, I took a guess at the numbers; not annual numbers, but where I see this trend going for the foreseeable future.
            A a combination of incompetent reporting/ media hype, regulatory stupidity, and “gunshyness” on the part of health care providers is going to set back effective pain management decades.
            There seemed to be a shift at some point in the early 1990s that recognized that “maybe we should take pain management seriously” .
            After 20-25 year of that swing of the pendulum, I think we’re back to the pre-90s mentality.
            I think we’ll be stuck there for an extended period, and they impact will be very widespread.

            1. There are ways of increasing the duration of local anesthetics right into the tissue where surgical procedures are performed. All sorts of government intervention and malpractice concerns lead to the use of opiods when alternatives could have been substituted.

          2. Allan, Tom’s a liar and so are you. A quick google search reveals numerous stories on prescription drug abuse. I don’t have time to post them all.

          3. The war on opioids is better regarded as the war on doctors whose patients want to get high by any means. Why the death of drug addicts by their own hand bothers anyone is beyond me. Every addict knows what will happen when choose to take opioids. Still they do.

            1. Mespo, one of the problems is drug use is being promoted among the young that are vulnerable and not yet adult enough to make important decisions.

              I understand your position and agree. I have discussed the situation with the police and they are telling me that the number of overdoses has climbed very rapidly in the recent time frame and when they use the nasal spray saving the kids life on waking up the kid says ‘what did you do that for?’. They apparently don’t recognize that in a short time they were going to be dead.

            2. Mespo,
              .
              The breakdown/ percentages of deaths tied to opiod ODs can vary, depending on the source.
              Accounts in the media often “lump together” OD deaths from meth, cocaine, heroin, illegally manufactured and/or obtained fentenal, mixtures/ cocktails of different drugs, etc. in with the legally prescribed drugs.
              If 50,000 of the c. 70,000 estimated”opiod are due to the drugs that I mentioned above, then the c.20,000 opiod deaths that “might be” tied to legitimately prescribed opiods are not the biggest part of the problem.
              As far as regulatory pressure, publicity/ reporting, etc., the “call to action” and impact on health care providers, and their patients, will be disportionately large.
              I will repeat the comment I made last night, the one that Peter Scum felt free to distort for his Hollywood Hill Headline News Network; the deaths resulting from the use of illegal street drugs like the ones I mentioned, don’t have a damn thing to do with legitimately prescribed opiods.
              The kind of reporting most commonly seen likes to stress the aggregate numbers of “opiod-related deaths” without regard to a distinguistion between the street drugs, and the legally prescribed drugs.
              It’s the kind of mentality that helps to substitute the old fashioned bottle of rum, and a bullet to bite down on, in place of modern, legitimately prescribed, available alternatives.

              1. Tom, I am shocked by your AGGRESSIVE IGNORANCE. Have you never heard of this problem?? It’s been widely reported in the mainstream media for at least 5 years at this point. Though it was about 10 years ago when Rush Limbaugh admitted to an addiction to Oxycontin.

                Prescription opioids have been widely abused to the point where it’s a major health epidemic. 200,000 people died from 1999-2016. And the number was growing each year. Not all those death involved ‘legally prescribed’ opioids; there’s a huge black market for ‘legally manufactured’ opioids! And there are too many doctors taking ‘favors’ from pharmaceutical companies. Which leads them to write prescriptions they really shouldn’t.

                Tom, do yourself a favor by taking 10 minutes to read the article below. It details how Purdue Pharma, maker of Oxycontin, irresponsibly marketed a very dangerous product to an unsuspecting public. I get the sense from your comments that right-wing media has never covered this issue. It sounds like you’ve been completely in the dark.

                https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/29/health/purdue-opioids-oxycontin.html

            3. mespo – no addict thinks they are going to get addicted when they start out. It sneaks up on them. Sometimes it is a legal addiction, sometimes illegal. The addiction is still there, it is just as real. And unless you are an addict you will never know exactly what that addict gets when they “choose” to take opioids.

              Why do you think drug dealers give free samples to beginners?

          1. HERE’S THE KEY PARAGRAPH FROM ABOVE REPORT:

            “From 1999 to 2016, more than 200,000 people died in the United States from overdoses related to prescription opioids. Overdose deaths involving prescription opioids were five times higher in 2016 than in 1999”.

            TOM NASH IS LYING THROUGH HIS TEETH BY SAYING PRESCRIPTIONS AREN’T A PROBLEM!

              1. TOM, here’s another story that totally contradicts your lie that prescription drugs aren’t a problem. Check out the graph for “Prescription Opioid Death”; 19,354 for 2016

                1. Peter, I don’t think anyone said prescription drugs weren’t a problem. They are. You get so confused that your rhetoric ends up as garbage.

            1. I said “often include” alcohol and other factors that have nothing to do with legimate drugs.
              As a reporter and chief propagantist for Hollywood Hill’s Headline News, I can understand you stupidy and confusion, you jackass.
              Sorry I forgot the ALL-CAPS, you piece of ****.

              1. As an Ace Reporter for HOLLYWOOD HILL HEADLINE NEWS, YOU MIGHT INVESTIGATE WHERE THESE DRUGS ARE COMING FROM, AS WELL AS HOW MANY OD DEATHS ARE ACTUALLY TIED TO MD OVERPRESCRIPTION.
                IF FENTANYL IS INCLUDED IN THE CATEGORY OF A “LEGALLY PRECRIBED OPIOD” BY SOME SOURCES, HOW MANY IF THE DEATHS FROM THAT DRUG WERE TIED TO A PRESCRIPTION WRITTEN BY AN MD?

              2. Tom, the stories on prescription drug abuse are numerous. Purdue Pharma, makers of Oxycontin, has been the source of countless complaints and bad press. State Attorney Generals are going after that company.

                This epidemic of prescription abuse had been widely reported in the mainstream media. Yet you and Allan pretend like the only lethal drugs are illegal. I don’t know how you two could be so far off-base. Apparently right-wing media has never covered this issue.

            2. “From 1999 to 2016, more than 200,000 people died,,,”

              Such stupidity when the discussion was about the deaths we are presently seeing and where the increase in deaths come from. You have to check your dates. Stupidity reigns in your world.

              1. Going forward, I’ll try to restrain my criticism of Hollywood and “reporters”.
                Peter Hill has done more to the reputation of both than I could possibly do.😉😄😂😠

              2. Allan, you’re senile! Your last post there makes no sense. You’re saying 200,000 deaths don’t matter..?? You’re saying 2016 is too far back to matter..?? It’s just gibberish.

                1. ” You’re saying 2016 is too far back to matter..??”

                  You don’t even know what you are reading. What you said was, “From 1999 to 2016, more than 200,000 people died,,,” 1999 is over 15 years ago and the number of deaths you posted was 200,000 over 16 years when the concern is the increase in deaths in very recent years where last year there were around 70,000 deaths. You don’t paraphrase articles or what other people say correctly. Everything is twisted by your twisted mind to meet a twisted ideology.

                  I repeat: “Stupidity reigns in your world.”

      2. Of course you did everything correctly…and yet there are those who in the service of their own profound confusion and ambition would like to take away the opiod option for managing strong pain.

    2. Liberty it’s easy to say that doctors should be required, but remember pain relief is important as well and many times people requiring pain relief are having trouble getting that pain relief because in many areas physcians might be afraid to prescribe that type of drug. The killer drug I believe is Fentanyl and a lot of that stuff comes from China.

  5. BARR STRONGLY ADVOCATES ‘WAR ON DRUGS’

    SEES NO REASON FOR JUDICIAL REFORM

    The Trump administration’s point person on the opioid crisis, Mary Daly, is quite familiar with William Barr, who The Washington Post’s Devlin Barrett, Matt Zapotosky and Josh Dawsey reported Thursday is Trump’s leading candidate to be the next attorney general.

    Barr is Daly’s dad.

    Daly and her father seem to share a tough-on-crime philosophy on drug offenses, in line with the “War on Drugs” policies of the 80s and early 90s that sent a disproportionate number of minorities to jail. Barr, who served as President George H.W. Bush’s attorney general, oversaw those policies during his time in office.

    Daly is a former federal prosecutor and now works in the deputy attorney general’s office, which means she wouldn’t directly report to Barr if he becomes attorney general.

    She supported rolling back the Obama administration’s policy to be more lenient with lower-level drug offenders, according to a CBS News article about her from April, and has advocated for strict enforcement when it comes to addressing the nations’ opioid epidemic.

    What that means in practice is that Daly, like her former boss Jeff Sessions, is no fan of the type of criminal justice reform that Trump and some Republicans on Capitol Hill have supported. And neither is her father.

    In 2015, Barr signed a letter to then-Senate leaders Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) and Harry M. Reid (D-Nev.) urging them not to bring up a sentencing-reform bill.

    “Our system of justice is not broken. Mandatory minimums and proactive law enforcement measures have caused a dramatic reduction in crime over the past 25 years, an achievement we cannot afford to give back,” the letter read.

    In a 2001 oral history Barr gave of his time in the Bush administration, he likened the drug problem to terrorism. “I personally was of the view it was a national security problem,” he said.

    Edited from: “Trump’s New Top A.G. Pick Would Be His Daughter’s Boss At Justice”

    Last Night’s WASHINGTON POST

    1. Regarding the above, most Americans want a cease fire in the War On Drugs. Mandatory Minimums and Asset Forfeitures have fallen out of favor with the general public. But it sounds like Bill Barr is stuck in the early 90’s with regards to drug policy.

    2. It sounds like Peter is happy that about 70,000 Americans die each year from overdoses. I wonder what his priorities are? Protect illegal aliens, the slave trade, drugs? Wow Peter you certainly have positions that are bad for Americans and the American working class.

      1. Allan, you’re senile!

        Those overdoses are mainly related to LEGAL opioids! Purdue Pharma, maker of Oxycontin, bears a huge amount of responsibility.

        1. Legal opioids to me means legal for medical use. All of the drugs in question are used illegally including Fentynal which is a specific synthetic opiod far more powerful than all the others and I believe is responsible for more and more deaths every year.

          You don’t care about American lives or their standard of living. You care about your ideology much more and constantly regurgitate the garbage you are being fed.

          Be aware that the drugs are being mixed and Fentynal is one of those drugs. It’s hard to judge which drug actually killed the most this year but you are combining a number of drugs and adding the deaths together in order to compare them with Fentanyl deaths. I think last year Fentynal drugs approached 20,000 deaths.

          1. Allan: The number 1 and 2 drugs from Tom’s post have legal origins.

            1) Fentanyl. Fentanyl and fentanyl analogs such as carfentanil led to 19,413 deaths in 2016. Fentanyl is a synthetic opioid that is 50 to 100 times stronger than morphine. It is commonly substituted for or mixed with heroin without the user’s knowledge. Users who think they are taking heroin overdose because the drug is much stronger.2,3

            2) Prescription pain relievers. These drugs, which include medications such as OxyContin, Vicodin, and Percocet, led to 19,354 deaths in 2016. From 2002 to 2011 there was a 1.9-fold increase in the total number of deaths from these drugs. But the rate has remained relatively stable since then.2

            1. Peter, I don’t know what you are trying to prove except that you were grossly wrong in your prior post. Based on the numbers you just posted Fentynal is a legal drug and killed more than the three drugs you mention and that is not a complete list. The deaths from these other opiods has not contributed to the rise in deaths the way Fentanyl has. The growth of deaths due to Fentanyl or its use in combination is huge.

              It appears you are able to regurgitate information from websites but are unable to use that information in a useful way. As I said, you are “a fountain of misinformation”.

            2. One can easily find out how many doctors in their area actually prescribe FENTANYL.
              The resulting numbers might be somewhat different in Hollywood, but overall this drug is unlikely to be picked up at a pharmacy by one showing up with an actual prescription.
              I don’t think there are many Michael Jackson MDs around; if there were, they would not be hard to track.

              1. It might help to stop playing chicken**** word games like “legally origins” for FENTANYL, etc, and find out if in fact these drugs are actually overprescibed by doctors.

                1. On a serious note one has to describe their terms. Drugs are both over prescribed and under prescribed. I think what you worry about are people that legitimately get hooked on drugs so that when their medical problems are resolved they can’t stop taking the drug. That is a problem. Then you have pill doctors that sign their name to prescriptions for money. Do you consider those legal drugs? If they are then why are such doctors put in jail and why are the people buying the pills and reselling the drugs also put in jail? It’s very hard to adequately parse the numbers so define your terms and then the numbers can be discussed.

                  All and all Fentynal is both prescribed legally, illegally and imported illegally. The important thing is its super high potency, its rise in use and the rise in deaths from Fentanyl. Add that to Fentynal is now mixed with other drugs because of it potency.

  6. Peter Strzok to Lisa Page, “We’ll stop it.”

    Lisa Page to Peter Strzok, “POTUS wants to know everything we’re doing.”

    Lisa Page to Congress, “The texts mean what the texts say.”
    ________________________________________________

    Bill Barr Attorney General

  7. 1. One will he issue subpoenas requested by the Senate Committees or
    2. Put Rosenstein’s only job as supervising Meuller and ordering the investigation go into phase II – and quit diddly farting around.

    Two tiered justice is not the only problem it’s Crony Justice that needs fixing.

  8. This guy is as right wing as Jeff Sessions, and the anti democracy crowd still isn’t satisfied. LOOK! it’s Hillary.

  9. EOTGU or ‘Everybody’s out to get us’ syndrome. Turley writes about the appointment of a new attorney general and the dupes complain about the horror their champion has to endure. But, hey, now ‘Lock up Hilary’ routines.

  10. Sorry, not buying. Robert Mueller has a resume too; he’s still an abusive ba*tard, and vain to boot.

    What that Department needs is a maverick who will fire people in large job lots and prepare statutory legislation to reconstitute federal law enforcement into a half dozen departments and service corps, with the FBI broken up and scattered between them.

    #RevolutionNotReform

    1. “What that Department needs is a maverick who will fire people in large job lots”

      DSS, what makes you think there is someone better suited out there? I am not disagreeing as to what you want and I have an inherent distrust of anyone already in the federal loop, but I am challenged in trying to find someone that is a better selection.

      Who is your choice and why is that a definitively better choice than Barr. (Sessions looked good and his appointment pleased conservatives.)

      1. Sessions deficiencies were personal. His background included supervisory positions but not true managerial-executive positions where you have 2+ layers working under you and the organization has an abiding institutional mission. (Your Senate and campaign staff have one mission, and that’s to benefit you). By all appearances, he wasn’t a quick study and he got rolled by bureaucratic operators like Rosenstein.

        It’s not my industry, so I haven’t someone in mind. The one person I can think of is Rudolph Giuliani, but he’s pre-occupied right now. And, of course, you’re not going to get the co-operation of Congress, so better enabling legislation for federal law enforcement is off the table.

        This man worked for Bush I and was a deputy to Richard Thornburgh. I would never wager he would disrupt extant networks of influence. That type just doesn’t do that.

        1. DSS,…
          Guiliani would be an interesting choice were Trump to nominate him for AG.
          He’d be a good counter-balance to Mueller, and probably about as objective as Mueller.

          1. Mueller doesn’t need a counter-balance. It is simply that the Trumpkins cant cope with the facts of their hero’s deplorable character and tendency towards felonious behavior.

        2. “That type just doesn’t do that.”

          That is a problem but it’s hard to pick out a name that has all the boxes checked on the right side. Until one can do that Barr is a reasonable choice and has history behind him.

          I don’t know if you are exactly right about Sessions, but it parallels my feelings that he may have been a ditherer in his later years on the topics that he was not familiar with.

    2. this guy won’t do that. he has a great resume and may be a wise pick–
      but he may also cement a deeper lock that the “Deep State” has on the POTUS

  11. I guess I’ll believe all the good you’ve written about the man when I see him go after those who have tried to overturn a legitimate presidential election.

    1. One man’s overturning a legitimate presidential election is another man’s investigation of a criminal president.

  12. Probably someone younger is needed. Someone who understands the lunatic neo-Bolshevism of the current Dem Party and its allies/street soldiers.

  13. Whatever his credentials, unless he stymies the Mueller investigation, Trump and his lackeys will turn on him with their perfervid anger.

    1. The Mueller investigation is already stymied by having nothing to investigate. It’s just a question of how many guilty pleas he can extort from the hapless individuals he gloms on to.

      1. Muller investigation bearing less fruit than opening of Al Capone’s vault…
        https://video.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search;_ylt=AwrCxnWSdwpc1E8Ai8sPxQt.;_ylu=X3oDMTB0N2Noc21lBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNwaXZz?p=al+capone%27s+vault&type=co_appfocus1_cr&hspart=pty&hsimp=yhs-pty_converter&param1=20180817&param2=7c07e27d-195b-4760-9186-227fe7ae1365&param3=converter_~US~appfocus1&param4=d-ccc4-lp0-bb8~Chrome~al+capone+s+vault~4EDB419B6897F88AEBA0A76D74D0C8CE&ei=UTF-8&fr=yhs-pty-pty_converter#id=1&vid=a85343a7176c5b29983e6ad28db007ea&action=view

    1. dad was in OSS, he worked at CIA, system appointments galore. zero chance of any drainage

      however, he may be more effective than Sessions, who set a pretty low BAR., lol

  14. Tell me it’s not so, Joe. They cannot nominate someone as AG, the left was just getting the fainting couch ready for Whitaker’s temporary appointment. Oh the horror!!!

    1. Yeah the lefties love drama and anything that cuts against Trump. This morning on Lefty Joe they were salavating over a report that 2/3 of polled economists were predicting a recession by 2020. They received that with so much glee as they saw that as potential bad news for Trump, with total disregard for the country. Those lefty media folks live in an overpaid bubble with no concern for the country, just an endless pursuit of trying to get their power back.

      1. 2/3rds of the polled economists predicting is like four out of five dentists recommending. Depends on who seectged the polls or the dentists. The Rigged Poll Fallacy is a take off on the rigged expert fallacy.

    2. PC Schulte,
      -I don’t know if there will be a confirmation battle over the Barr nomination, but his high school yearbooks are already being examined with a fine tooth comb.

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