Biden Denies Ever Opposing Bin Laden Raid

Recently, Joe Biden “clarified” his pledge to defy any Senate subpoena to testify in the Trump impeachment trial but stating the exact opposite in a later interview. Now, in a remarkable contradiction, Biden has denied that he advised against the Bin Laden raid in 2011 despite his statement to the contrary eight years ago. Given the importance of the issue to his views as president, the latest in a long line of contradictions could further undermine Biden’s position in a still competitive Democratic field.

In a discussion with Fox News, Biden was asked about a hypothetical situation similar to the recent targeted killing of a Iranian general: President Trump says he faced before ordering an airstrike to kill Iranian Gen. Qassem Soleimani. “As commander in chief, if you were ever handed a piece of intelligence that said you could stop an imminent attack on Americans — but you have to use an airstrike to take out a terrorist leader — would you pull the trigger?”

Biden responded “Well we did – the guy’s name was Usama bin Laden.”

When the reporter asked “Didn’t you tell President Obama not to go after bin Laden that day?,” Biden responded “No, I didn’t.”

However, Biden told congressional democrats that he did oppose the raid. At the time, he recalled in 2012 that he said “Mr. President, my suggestion is, don’t go — we have to do two more things to see if he’s there.”

Biden raised legitimate concerns over the lack of conferral with Congress and our allies. Moreover, Biden was stating eight years ago that he had serious concerns over the high-risk mission. These are all worthy points to consider, particularly the conditions under which we can kill a high-ranking military figure of another country. Frankly, I wish we could have a more civil and substantive discussion about the issues that Biden raised without all of the recriminations and attacks. Yet, all of that was overshadowed by a serious contradiction on a major historical and strategic question after the interview. It sounds almost Kerry-like that “I was against the killing before I was for it.” That is not the analogy that most Democratic candidates would relish.

100 thoughts on “Biden Denies Ever Opposing Bin Laden Raid”

  1. Recently, Joe Biden “clarified” his pledge to Lie about everything

  2. This goes to show how ignorant as a Country we are today. Let’s get something straight, the President is not a decision maker, and the Vice President and the Cabinet are not the President’s advisors, the States as they are assembled in the Senate are the President’s Advisors, and the President must have their consent to act, Period, and that consent comes by a Majority Consensus of 2/3 of the States, because the States have Equal Suffrage in the Senate not their individual Senators.

    Now when you geniuses figure out how to get around Article 2 of the Constitution to give the President the Power and Authority you want him to have, then let me know how you accomplished it and your Constitutional justification.

    1. fpr – evidently you did not get to Article II

      Constitution of the United States
      Preamble Article I Article II Article III Article IV Article V Article VI
      Article VII AMENDMENTS


      Written in 1787, ratified in 1788, and in operation since 1789, the United States Constitution is the world’s longest surviving written charter of government. Its first three words – “We The People” – affirm that the government of the United States exists to serve its citizens. The supremacy of the people through their elected representatives is recognized in Article I, which creates a Congress consisting of a Senate and a House of Representatives. The positioning of Congress at the beginning of the Constitution affirms its status as the “First Branch” of the federal government.

      The Constitution assigned to Congress responsibility for organizing the executive and judicial branches, raising revenue, declaring war, and making all laws necessary for executing these powers. The president is permitted to veto specific legislative acts, but Congress has the authority to override presidential vetoes by two-thirds majorities of both houses. The Constitution also provides that the Senate advise and consent on key executive and judicial appointments and on the approval for ratification of treaties.

      For over two centuries the Constitution has remained in force because its framers successfully separated and balanced governmental powers to safeguard the interests of majority rule and minority rights, of liberty and equality, and of the federal and state governments. More a concise statement of national principles than a detailed plan of governmental operation, the Constitution has evolved to meet the changing needs of a modern society profoundly different from the eighteenth-century world in which its creators lived. To date, the Constitution has been amended 27 times, most recently in 1992. The first ten amendments constitute the Bill of Rights.

      Annotated Constitutions

      The Constitution of the United States of America: Analysis and Interpretation (popularly known as the Constitution Annotated) contains legal analysis and interpretation of the United States Constitution, based primarily on Supreme Court case law.

      The Constitution of the United States of America, S.PUB.103-21 (1994) (pdf), prepared by the Office of the Secretary of the Senate with the assistance of Johnny H. Killian of the Library of Congress in 1994, provided the original text of each clause of the Constitution with an accompanying explanation of its meaning and how that meaning changed over time.

      Italicized text indicates words and passages of the Constitution that were changed or affected by amendments.

      Original Text

      We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

      Article I
      Section 1 Section 2 Section 3 Section 4 Section 5 Section 6 Section 7
      Section 8 Section 9 Section 10

      Section 1
      All legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives.

      Section 2

      The House of Representatives shall be composed of Members chosen every second Year by the People of the several States, and the Electors in each State shall have the Qualifications requisite for Electors of the most numerous Branch of the State Legislature.

      No Person shall be a Representative who shall not have attained to the Age of twenty five Years, and been seven Years a Citizen of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an Inhabitant of that State in which he shall be chosen.

      Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons. The actual Enumeration shall be made within three Years after the first Meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent Term of ten Years, in such Manner as they shall by Law direct. The Number of Representatives shall not exceed one for every thirty Thousand, but each State shall have at Least one Representative; and until such enumeration shall be made, the State of New Hampshire shall be entitled to chuse three, Massachusetts eight, Rhode-Island and Providence Plantations one, Connecticut five, New-York six, New Jersey four, Pennsylvania eight, Delaware one, Maryland six, Virginia ten, North Carolina five, South Carolina five, and Georgia three.

      When vacancies happen in the Representation from any State, the Executive Authority thereof shall issue Writs of Election to fill such Vacancies.

      The House of Representatives shall chuse their Speaker and other Officers; and shall have the sole Power of Impeachment.

      Section 3

      The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators from each State, chosen by the Legislature thereof, for six Years; and each Senator shall have one Vote.

      Immediately after they shall be assembled in Consequence of the first Election, they shall be divided as equally as may be into three Classes. The Seats of the Senators of the first Class shall be vacated at the Expiration of the second Year, of the second Class at the Expiration of the fourth Year, and of the third Class at the Expiration of the sixth Year, so that one third may be chosen every second Year; and if Vacancies happen by Resignation, or otherwise, during the Recess of the Legislature of any State, the Executive thereof may make temporary Appointments until the next Meeting of the Legislature, which shall then fill such Vacancies.

      No Person shall be a Senator who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty Years, and been nine Years a Citizen of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an Inhabitant of that State for which he shall be chosen.

      The Vice President of the United States shall be President of the Senate, but shall have no Vote, unless they be equally divided.

      The Senate shall chuse their other Officers, and also a President pro tempore, in the Absence of the Vice President, or when he shall exercise the Office of President of the United States.

      The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: And no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two thirds of the Members present.

      Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States: but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law.

      Section 4
      The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Places of chusing Senators.

      The Congress shall assemble at least once in every Year, and such Meeting shall be on the first Monday in December, unless they shall by Law appoint a different Day.

      Section 5

      Each House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.

      Each House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.

      Each House shall keep a Journal of its Proceedings, and from time to time publish the same, excepting such Parts as may in their Judgment require Secrecy; and the Yeas and Nays of the Members of either House on any question shall, at the Desire of one fifth of those Present, be entered on the Journal.

      Neither House, during the Session of Congress, shall, without the Consent of the other, adjourn for more than three days, nor to any other Place than that in which the two Houses shall be sitting.

      Section 6

      The Senators and Representatives shall receive a Compensation for their Services, to be ascertained by Law, and paid out of the Treasury of the United States. They shall in all Cases, except Treason, Felony and Breach of the Peace, be privileged from Arrest during their Attendance at the Session of their respective Houses, and in going to and returning from the same; and for any Speech or Debate in either House, they shall not be questioned in any other Place.

      No Senator or Representative shall, during the Time for which he was elected, be appointed to any civil Office under the Authority of the United States, which shall have been created, or the Emoluments whereof shall have been encreased during such time; and no Person holding any Office under the United States, shall be a Member of either House during his Continuance in Office.

      Section 7

      All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills.

      Every Bill which shall have passed the House of Representatives and the Senate, shall, before it become a Law, be presented to the President of the United States: If he approve he shall sign it, but if not he shall return it, with his Objections to that House in which it shall have originated, who shall enter the Objections at large on their Journal, and proceed to reconsider it. If after such Reconsideration two thirds of that House shall agree to pass the Bill, it shall be sent, together with the Objections, to the other House, by which it shall likewise be reconsidered, and if approved by two thirds of that House, it shall become a Law. But in all such Cases the Votes of both Houses shall be determined by Yeas and Nays, and the Names of the Persons voting for and against the Bill shall be entered on the Journal of each House respectively. If any Bill shall not be returned by the President within ten Days (Sundays excepted) after it shall have been presented to him, the Same shall be a Law, in like Manner as if he had signed it, unless the Congress by their Adjournment prevent its Return, in which Case it shall not be a Law.

      Every Order, Resolution, or Vote to which the Concurrence of the Senate and House of Representatives may be necessary (except on a question of Adjournment) shall be presented to the President of the United States; and before the Same shall take Effect, shall be approved by him, or being disapproved by him, shall be repassed by two thirds of the Senate and House of Representatives, according to the Rules and Limitations prescribed in the Case of a Bill.

      Section 8

      The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

      To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;

      To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

      To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

      To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

      To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

      To establish Post Offices and post Roads;

      To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

      To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

      To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations;

      To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

      To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

      To provide and maintain a Navy;

      To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

      To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

      To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

      To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;—And

      To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

      Section 9

      The Migration or Importation of such Persons as any of the States now existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by the Congress prior to the Year one thousand eight hundred and eight, but a Tax or duty may be imposed on such Importation, not exceeding ten dollars for each Person.

      The Privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it.

      No Bill of Attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed.

      No Capitation, or other direct, Tax shall be laid, unless in Proportion to the Census or enumeration herein before directed to be taken.

      No Tax or Duty shall be laid on Articles exported from any State.

      No Preference shall be given by any Regulation of Commerce or Revenue to the Ports of one State over those of another; nor shall Vessels bound to, or from, one State, be obliged to enter, clear, or pay Duties in another.

      No Money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in Consequence of Appropriations made by Law; and a regular Statement and Account of the Receipts and Expenditures of all public Money shall be published from time to time.

      No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.

      Section 10
      No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility.

      No State shall, without the Consent of the Congress, lay any Imposts or Duties on Imports or Exports, except what may be absolutely necessary for executing its inspection Laws: and the net Produce of all Duties and Imposts, laid by any State on Imports or Exports, shall be for the Use of the Treasury of the United States; and all such Laws shall be subject to the Revision and Control of the Congress.

      No State shall, without the Consent of Congress, lay any Duty of Tonnage, keep Troops, or Ships of War in time of Peace, enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State, or with a foreign Power, or engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay.

      Article II
      Section 1 Section 2 Section 3 Section 4

      Section 1

      The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his Office during the Term of four Years, and, together with the Vice President, chosen for the same Term, be elected, as follows:

      Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.

      The Electors shall meet in their respective States, and vote by Ballot for two Persons, of whom one at least shall not be an Inhabitant of the same State with themselves. And they shall make a List of all the Persons voted for, and of the Number of Votes for each; which List they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the Seat of the Government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate. The President of the Senate shall, in the Presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the Certificates, and the Votes shall then be counted. The Person having the greatest Number of Votes shall be the President, if such Number be a Majority of the whole Number of Electors appointed; and if there be more than one who have such Majority, and have an equal Number of Votes, then the House of Representatives shall immediately chuse by Ballot one of them for President; and if no Person have a Majority, then from the five highest on the List the said House shall in like Manner chuse the President. But in chusing the President, the Votes shall be taken by States, the Representatives from each State having one Vote; a quorum for this Purpose shall consist of a Member or Members from two thirds of the States, and a Majority of all the States shall be necessary to a Choice. In every Case, after the Choice of the President, the Person having the greatest Number of Votes of the Electors shall be the Vice President. But if there should remain two or more who have equal Votes, the Senate shall chuse from them by Ballot the Vice-President.

      The Congress may determine the Time of chusing the Electors, and the Day on which they shall give their Votes; which Day shall be the same throughout the United States.

      No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

      In Case of the Removal of the President from Office, or of his Death, Resignation, or Inability to discharge the Powers and Duties of the said Office, the Same shall devolve on the Vice President, and the Congress may by Law provide for the Case of Removal, Death, Resignation or Inability, both of the President and Vice President, declaring what Officer shall then act as President, and such Officer shall act accordingly, until the Disability be removed, or a President shall be elected.

      The President shall, at stated Times, receive for his Services, a Compensation, which shall neither be encreased nor diminished during the Period for which he shall have been elected, and he shall not receive within that Period any other Emolument from the United States, or any of them.

      Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation:—”I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.”

      Section 2

      The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any Subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to Grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.

      He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law: but the Congress may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the Courts of Law, or in the Heads of Departments.

      The President shall have Power to fill up all Vacancies that may happen during the Recess of the Senate, by granting Commissions which shall expire at the End of their next Session.

      1. What a waste of words, you are definitely challenged by reading and comprehension. By and with means Before and during not after. And each State may have 2 Senators but the States have Equal Suffrage in the Senate not their individual senators which are representatives of their States.

        You are so ignorant I don’t even know where to start with your comment. So I will direct you to Federalist #64 by Jay which completely defines the power of the Senate to make all the decisions of our Country which involve foreign interactions.

        Save your diatribe, even Madison, Jay, and Hamilton didn’t write that much in Federalist #’s 62-66 which covers every aspect of the Senate, how it is assembled and how it functions.

        Please read their assessment before you make your next ignorant diatribe!

        1. fpr – The Federalist Papers are written to sell the Constitution to those states who have not yet ratified it. Some of the sections do not agree with other sections. It is the Constitution that rules, not the Federalist Papers.

          1. I love how this site will block my replies because I use a perfectly valid word only because it sounds Politically incorrect. Here’s my reply minus the unwanted word.

            That’s total crap. They agree totally, maybe you can’t read. And they were written mostly for the State of New York, which still didn’t ratify the constitution in time to participate in the first election, which only had the participation of 10 States.

            I just love how you geniuses take parts of the Federalist Papers out of context to justify your positions and interpretations, but totally ignore the full points which totally contradict your points and interpretations.

            And the Constitution doesn’t need to Federalist Papers, it’s clear on its own, and if you need a clearer explanation of their intentions for any part of the Constitution, just read the Articles of Confederation which explicitly defines every aspect of the rights, privileges, participation, and debt liability of each State as a member State in the Union formed by the8r Confederation, which was not changed by any aspect of the Constitution which is only an expansion of the Articles of Confederation, not a replacement.

            Any if you think the Constitution rules, then maybe we should start following it as written, not as we have corrupted it by our partisan interpretations.

            1. fpr – you do realize the Articles of Confederations died with the forming of the United States under the Constitution. The Federalist Papers are helpful but not binding. The Constitution has been modified by Amendments and Federal statutes, as well as federal regulations and executive orders.

              As I have said before, get a Civics for Dummies book (not that you are a dummy) just that you are ignorant. Ignorance can be overcome. Stupid is forever. You need to learn the pragmatics of civics.

              1. If you ever read the Articles of Confederation you would know that they are alive and well today just as they were when they were written. The Constitution did not replace the Articles of Confederation, the Constitution only revised and extended the Articles of Confederation. In fact the Constitution was written according to the process for amendment that was established in the Articles of Confederation. The fact that you don’t know the differences in the Articles of Confederation and the Constitution only proves your ignorance of the purpose of the Constitution to address the disparity that existed between the States in their population and wealth, which changes to the decision making process by the addition of a republican form of government, the House of Representatives, formed the More perfect Union, but the States gave up nothing in their in their Authority as Member States in the Union, and Definitely didn’t cede any power or authority to the Executive or Judicial Departments of our Government.

                Wake up, the United States of America is a Confederacy, a aggregate assembly of the States into a Union, and the States retain all authority to make all decisions of their Union.

                By the way, “We the People of the United States” is another way of expressing the Union of the States, not the Name of the Country which was established by Article 1 of the Articles of Confederation; the stile of this confederacy is the “United States of America”. So in the Preamble of the Constitution, they said that the Union of the States, in Congress assembled, in order to form a “More Perfect Union”, did ordain and Establish the Constitution for the United States of America, the Country.

                Learn to read without relying on interpretations by others with an agenda.

                1. I don’t think there is a lot of reliance on for fpr’s interpretation of the Constitution.
                  The Constitution is the supreme law of the land, not the Article of Confederation. There are some similarities between the two, but also key differences.
                  One can try to pretend that the Articles of Confederation can be used to make “Constitutional” arguments.
                  For that matter, one could pretend that the debates about the American Constitution should be formed by pretending that the Magna Carta is the supreme law of the land.
                  The fact that someone might prefer the Articles of Confederation to the Constitution does not change the fact that it is the Constitution, not the Articles, that is the supreme law of the land.

                  1. You both have some serious issues! The Articles of Confederation were reproduced almost word for word in the Constitution, and there’s nothing you can do to get around that fact. There are only two real differences in the Articles of Confederation and the Constitution and they both are based upon the addition of the House to form the Bicameral Legislature, and they are the change in Representative delegations from 2 – 7 members to a proportional per capita apportionment, and the second is also related to that proportional per capita apportionment by determining the tax liability to each State by the same per capita apportionment instead of an apportionment by property valuation as is established in the Articles of Confederation. Everything else is the same, even the forming of the executive and judicial functions, even though they decided to make them their own departments instead of subcommittees of the Senate, but they are still directly controlled by the Senate.

                    Maybe instead of a civics course you should take a course that actually studies the Declaration of Independence, the Articles of Confederation, and the Constitution, then you would be able to see the progression that was made to arrive at what they determined to be the More Perfect Union. It’s a More Prefect Union because it now had a balanced decision making assembly of the States to govern together as True Equals.

                    You geniuses think too hard, I wouldn’t be surprised if your heads are smoking from the effort!

                    1. The fact that the Articles of Confederation had no provisions for an Executive Branch.
                      That’s not a minor difference from the Constitution, and can’t be dismissed by claiming that the executive functions of the government were merely switched from Congressional subcommittees to a distinct Executive Branch.

                  2. They did have executive functions and there is no executive branch today and none was established by the Constitution. See Article 9 of the Articles of Confederation, they definitely had executive functions as subcommittees of the Committee of the States!

                    At least try to understand the Constitution, the only branches of government are the House and the Senate, not the legislative, executive, and Judicial.

                    1. I’ve seen some unusual interpretations of the U.S. Constitution that seemed “far out”, but nothing like the bizarre conclusions presented by fpr.
                      One can try to downplay the fact that the Articles of Confederation we’re substantially different from the Constitution that replaced it.
                      “All” you have to do is ignore the fact that there was neither an Executive Branch nor a federal judicial branch in the Articles.

                  3. There were no executive and judicial branches in the Articles of Confederation and there are no executive and judicial branches in the Constitution. Where the three coequal branches of Government came from is a mystery, because they make no sense and are directly contradictory to Article 1 Section 1 of the Constitution. There is only one Government institution, and that is the decision making assembly, Congress!

                    When you are willing to admit the truth of that then your model of government will result in the Union of the States making all the decisions of their Union, and the executive and judicial branches implementing those decisions made by the States as the Union.

                    The Union of the States must always be the Established Government Authority! Everyone serves the Union, this is distributed power and collective decision making, we don’t have leaders that make decisions, that would have been worse than a King!

                    1. fpr – where the hell did you “learn” this crap!!!! Cite your source material.

              2. The Constitution cannot be amended or altered in any way by Federal Statutes, it can only be amended by the process outlined by Article 5 of the Constitution, which would render all amendments after the 12th amendment invalid due to the fact that the States were denied their equal Suffrage in the Senate just as they are being denied their Equal Suffrage in the Senate today.

                And you don’t even know what an Executive order is, and can’t possibly give me any credible constitutional reference to justify their practice or application. Article 2 of the Constitution says that the President must give information to Congress for their consideration, assembling them for that purpose if they are at recess. Furthermore Article 1 Section 1 says that “All legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives.“ All Legislative powers are All decision making powers as described in Articles 5 through 13 of the Articles of Confederation, which were reiterated in Article 1 of the Constitution.

                Get real, you are woefully unqualified to debate anything on the Constitution or the Confederacy it forms to provide a decision making assembly for the States as a Union!

      2. Just because you can copy the Constitution doesn’t mean you can actually comprehend what is written in it. Which is obvious in your case. And if you even try to read Article 2 you will find that all Presidential powers are conditional on decisions made b6 Congress, and the President must consult Congress for that purpose assembling them if they are at recess, which is also in Article 2.

        Face it, you geniuses are so busy interpreting the Constitution for your own purposes and advantage you have totally bypassed the true meaning and purpose of the Constitution and Congress as the decision making assembly of the States as the Union.

        Try again after you actually read what you are so adept at copying!


    I was just listening to an informal press conference with Donald Trump regarding the strike on Iranian General Soleimani. Amid said conference Trump proclaimed that “U.S. Intelligence is the best on the world”. Yet oddly when the subject is Russian interference, Trump is less confident of U.S. intelligence.

    1. Yet oddly when the subject is Russian interference, Trump is less confident of U.S. intelligence.

      Waal, if you call PR games by the odious John Brennan, “US intelligence”, funny thing about that.

      Robert Mueller pretends it’s a threat to the US that a bunch of Facebook ads were placed by a catering company, because he has to justify the distribution of an eight-figure sum to Andrew Weissmann to play Javert. Peter pretends because he’s a poseur or a fool.

    2. Best or near best in the world unless politics is involved.

      That is what fools don’t recognize.


    The Iranian general killed in a drone strike had long-directed a campaign of roadside explosives that killed and injured hundreds of U.S. soldiers.
    Ironically most of those casualties occurred on the road to Baghdad’s airport where Soleimani himself was killed. What goes around comes around!

  5. Breaking News…..The Iranian revenge has started in Iraq:

    Missile attacks in the Green Zone & US bases. What will be US response?

    The Iranian nuclear reactor & nuclear enrichment center facilities might be gone in 48 hours.

    1. General Flint – I think you can add the oil refinery industry to that list.

    1. “Liberals wreck…”

      Hogwash from TIA.

      “Wave of child sex abuse lawsuits threatens Boy Scouts”

      Let’s check the party affiliation of the perps. TIA would have you think they’re all “liberals.”

      From the article supplied by TIA:

      ‘This rise in the cost of insurance brings us to the most recent cause of Scouting’s decline: a pile of sexual abuse cases.

      ‘In August, a group called Abused in Scouting filed a lawsuit in Philadelphia on behalf of a former Scout who claims he was abused by a Scout leader. The BSA has long kept a list of “ineligible volunteer files” that could include as many as 7,800 names. Victims’ advocates in lawsuits have pressured the Scouts to release the list, but the BSA has resisted, saying that to release a list of suspected abusers would violate their civil liberties and their rights to due process.

      ‘The Philadelphia lawsuit says, “It is apparent that the Boy Scouts defendants continue to hide the true nature of their cover-up and the extent of the pedophilia epidemic within their organization.”’

      And TIA would have you believe that all 7,800 of them are “liberals.”

  6. If Joe Biden was president during WWII, German U-boats would have been docked in the NYC harbor & a crematorium would be near the White house….Getting rid of Joe’s enemies.

  7. Our “leaders” all seem to be demented or else they are taking a lot of cocaine/other drugs or both. Pence, last night, made a remarkable claim (aka, complete lie) about Iran and 9/11. These are all people think nothing of murdering and torturing others while destroying nations. Why any of them are given the time of day by American citizens is not comprehensible. The lies of our “leaders” are brazen, repetitive and proven to have been lies. Why are we still believing them? Over and over, we believe lies. We are the ones who need to stop doing this.

    Since you will never hear this reality on US media I would like to link to a discussion about it here:

    Our “leaders” living in mafia ozone land is wreaking havoc in the US and abroad.

    1. “Our “leaders” all seem to be demented or else they are taking a lot of cocaine/other drugs or both”

      Many of us think likewise about you, Jill, so there is that

      What country will you be selecting as your next residence? you spew hatred for America ad nauseam ad infinitum

      1. Jill doesn’t “spew hatred for America…” Get off your high horse and look at the facts.

    2. Jill is right about Pence:

      “Pence falsely links Iranian general to 9/11 attacks”

      JAN. 3, 2020 11:59 PM

      On Friday afternoon, Vice President Mike Pence took to Twitter to justify the targeted U.S. attack that killed Iranian Gen. Qassem Suleimani.

      But scholars say his tweets contain several inaccuracies, including an allegation that appeared to link Suleimani to the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.

      In that tweet, Pence wrote that Suleimani “assisted in the clandestine travel to Afghanistan of 10 of the 12 terrorists who carried out the September 11 terrorist attacks in the United States.”

      As head of the Islamic Republic of Iran’s elite Quds Force, Suleimani, 62, was indeed responsible for a wide array of atrocities.

      But to link Suleimani — one of Iran’s highest-ranking officials — with direct involvement in 9/11 is flawed on many levels, said Osamah F. Khalil, an associate professor of history at Syracuse University.

      The first inaccuracy is the number of hijackers involved in the 9/11 attacks, which killed nearly 3,000 people in New York, Virginia and Pennsylvania. The correct number is 19, not 12. (A Pence spokeswoman, Katie Waldman, later wrote on Twitter that Pence had meant that “12 of the 19 transited through Afghanistan,” and that “10 of those 12 were assisted by Suleimani.”)

      Misagh Parsa, a sociology professor at Dartmouth College, said that either way, there was scant evidence to back up the claim.

      “Where is the evidence and who were these 10 people?” she asked.

      Iran is a Shiite Muslim theocracy; nearly all of the 9/11 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia, a Sunni Muslim monarchy that for decades has had tense relations with Iran. The hijackers were part of Al Qaeda, the Sunni extremist network led by Osama bin Laden.

      Although the 9/11 Commission report states that there was strong evidence suggesting Iranian officials “facilitated the transit of Al Qaeda members into and out of Afghanistan before 9/11,” and that some of them ended up as hijackers, the report did not state that Suleimani was involved, and, furthermore noted that there was no evidence to suggest “Iran or Hezbollah was aware of the planning for what later became the 9/11 attack.”

      Indeed, Suleimani was not mentioned even once in the report, which was released in 2004.

      Khalil was one of several scholars on Friday who seemed aghast at the errors in Pence’s statements, particularly the notion that Suleimani — an Iranian hard-line Shiite — would want to help Al Qaeda, a radical Sunni group whose members consider Shiites to be apostates.

      “It makes little sense from both a religious and political perspective,” Khalil said.

    3. “Mike Pence pushes 9/11 conspiracy theories to justify Suleimani killing”

      “In a series of tweets, US vice-president falsely claims Iran general assisted in travel of terrorists behind September 11 attacks”


      1. So far more junk from Jill. Only one tweet was referred to that involved Soleimani and the 9/11 hijackers. It didn’t say Soleimani was part of the conspiracy only that he aided the terrorists travel to Afghanistan. That is entirely possible since all these groups assist other unrelated groups in these types of ways.

        “Assisted in the clandestine travel to Afghanistan of 10 of the 12 terrorists who carried out the September 11 terrorist attacks in the United States.”

      2. “Pence Falsely Links Soleimani to 9/11 to Justify Assassination”


        JAN 04, 202011:23 AM

        ‘Even if you want to make an argument that somehow Iran assisted the attackers though, Pence went beyond that and specifically said it was Soleimani who gave that assistance. When Pence’s office was asked for clarification, it referred to a document that once again refers to the way the Sept. 11 attackers traveled to Iran, but fails to mention Soleimani at all.

        ‘There’s also a small detail that raises questions about Pence’s statement. Soleimani was a Shiite, so why on earth would he come to the aid of a Sunni extremist group that had clear ties to al-Qaida? Soleimani even cooperated with the U.S. government briefly after Sept. 11, 2001 to target the Taliban in Afghanistan.

        ‘So what was behind the statement? It could simply be a way for the vice president to justify the assassination in a way that could appeal to the American public. But some experts say it could go beyond that and may be an effort to make the argument that the killing of Soleimani falls under a 2001 authorization for the use of military force that was approved by Congress. That broad law authorizes the president “to use all necessary and appropriate force against those nations, organizations, or persons he determines planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such organizations or persons.”’


        1. Take note how Slate doesn’t bother to quote Pence or quote his tweet. Why would that be? Because when Slate wishes to twist they don’t want anyone to know exactly what was said and judge for themselves.

          Slate might as well call itself Anonymous with their lack of affinity with the Truth.

          1. Pence’s tweet is available for all to see:


            Here’s the text:

            “Assisted in the clandestine travel to Afghanistan of 10 of the 12 terrorists who carried out the September 11 terrorist attacks in the United States.”

            Here’s one response:


            “This is a level of untruth that is quite incredible.

            The 19 (not 12) attackers were Sunni fanatic jihadists sponsored by Saudi Arabia, sworn enemies of Iran and Soleimani.
            I am simply stunned by this lying. It’s of the epic Bush/Blair scale I thought never to see again.” -Craig Murray

            1. Shia’s and Sunni’s deal with one another quite frequently.

              Apparently the only quote of Pence was: “Assisted in the clandestine travel to Afghanistan of 10 of the 12 terrorists who carried out the September 11 terrorist attacks in the United States.”

              This quite believable far more so than any of the alternate claims you have mustered up. In fact the other claims are silly.

              1. “This is a level of untruth that is quite incredible.

                The 19 (not 12) attackers were Sunni fanatic jihadists sponsored by Saudi Arabia, sworn enemies of Iran and Soleimani.

                I am simply stunned by this lying. It’s of the epic Bush/Blair scale I thought never to see again.”

                -Craig Murray

                1. Is this a partial repeat of an earlier stupid comment? Seems so. The only error noted is 10 out of 12 but then again we have Obama’s 57 states. Get a name or you sound Stupid like Anonymous the Stupid which I believe to be your name.

                    1. I read the tweet but apparently you haven’t or you wouldn’t be making such a fool of yourself. Instead you would be proving your case. That is something Anonymous the Stupid can’t do.

          2. Take note how Slate doesn’t bother to quote Pence or quote his tweet.

            The story both quoted Pence and provided links to Pences tweets.

            1. You are right, my bad. the article did quote the tweet.

              What did Pence say wrong other than 10 out of 12? His statements included those that were correct as documented in news reports for years or very likely correct and totally plausible.

              Let’s hear what he said that was wrong and prove it.

              1. You are right, my bad. the article did quote the tweet.
                It also convincingly showed that the rest of what your arguments are wrong.

                1. You can wrongly make the claim but if you can’t write or quote the relevant passages to prove your point then what you are saying is nonsense.

                  1. if you can’t write or quote the relevant passages to prove your point

                    I could quote the entire article but you have already made it abundantly clear you won’t read any of it.
                    Pence’s story is false. We know this because he provided zero evidence. And what little he did say to try to back it up was factually false.

                    1. “I could quote the entire article”

                      Jinn, you could quote the article and I would probably read it but that would be the article talking so who would I respond to?

                      “Pence’s story is false. We know this because he provided zero evidence.”

                      Logic 101 immediately tells us your above statement is wrong. I wonder if you are able to figure that out? Pence didn’t back up the statement but it isn’t that important.

                      Take the pertinent quotes and see if you are able to prove that what Pence said was right or wrong. I saw no evidence either way. Don’t use the opinions of writers because we are not looking for opinion. We are looking for fact.

              2. ‘… Mohyeldin said, “I think, first of all, it is a low point in American politics when you’re exploiting 9/11 to achieve a policy objective that is totally manipulated.”

                ‘The anchor continued, “And let’s be very clear, Mike Pence’s tweet is factually wrong. Whether he did that unintentionally, I can’t imagine that the vice president sends out a tweet without five or six people around him debating, ‘hey, is this a smart decision or not,’ and doing it.”

                ‘Mohyeldin concluded, “It’s clearly distressing to think that we haven’t learned the lessons of 2003. When politicians stand up and lie to the American public about weapons of mass destruction, lie to us about intelligence, the come out and carry out an attack in a sovereign nation and turn around, say there’s an imminent attack, provide no evidence, no intelligence, and expect us all to believe it.”’

                Watch a clip of Mohyeldin’s remarks below, courtesy of MSNBC:


                1. The left exploits everything even the deaths of soldiers. Suleimani was dangerous and made it more possible for our enemies to kill a lot of our soldiers but you guys like to exploit anything real or false in order to promote your foul ideology.

                  We have one father on this blog who lost his son in battle but you guys don’t give a sh!t. I also posted an article by General McChrystal that I read this morning that came up later in discussion where the usual leftist tertiary sources don’t tell the complete truth.

                  You guys should be ashamed of yourselves.

                  1. Suleimani was dangerous and made it more possible for our enemies to kill a lot of our soldiers but you guys like to exploit anything real or false in order to promote your foul ideology.
                    The US plunked its troops down in the middle of their country killing 100’s of thousands of innocent civilians. Some of them fight back and you are portraying them as the evil ones?

                    Soleimani was instrumental in helping Iraq and Syria and Lebanon overcome the scourge of ISIS. That is his claim to fame and why he is much beloved by the people of those countries. That is also why he was targeted because the US govt is on the wrong side in this dog fight.

                    1. Jinn, There are arguments regarding American actions that should not have been taken. The incoherent arguments you make where fact and fiction are mixed up aren’t such arguments.

                      The US did not kill “100’s of thousands of innocent civilians”. That is your problem. You can’t get your facts straight and you can’t present ideas without an emotional component that makes what you write drivel.

                      Drawing conclusions based on errant fact is like digging a big hole and burying yourself in it. Try and be more accurate adding some cogent thinking. Then there could be a good discussion.

                    2. The US did not kill “100’s of thousands of innocent civilians”.
                      Are you denying that they died or are you claiming the US invasion is not responsible for the deaths it causes. Or what?

                      The simple fact is this: US military has made a great number of enemies in Iraq.
                      The murder of Soleimani and some 40 Iraqi defense forces in the last few days has made a whole bunch more enemies in Iraq. The US policy appears to have gone down the immoral rabbit hole of taking the position that we have killed one so now we must kill them all.

                      At what point does the magnitude of enemies we create grow so large that you realize the immorality of killing people and then using their reaction to that killing as justification for killing even more?

                    3. “The US plunked its troops down in the middle of their country killing 100’s of thousands of innocent civilians.”

                      Jinn, you are ridiculous.

                    4. “The US plunked its troops down in the middle of their country killing 100’s of thousands of innocent civilians.”

                      Jinn, you are ridiculous.
                      What is ridiculous is the story that Washington is peddling that it is Iran that is fomenting trouble in Iraq. Iraqis stormed the embassy. Iraqis fired the rockets that killed the US contractor. The hatred for the US govt in Iraq did not come from Iran it came from the murderous actions of the US govt.

                      The US govt, SA and Israel have been backing terrorists factions within Iraq. Soleimani and Iran assisted the govt of Iraq in their fight against these terrorist forces. The US is the sponsor of terrorism and the Iraq and Iran govts are legitimate sovereign states trying to fight back that terrorism that is threatening their sovereignty.

                    5. “What is ridiculous is the story …”

                      Jinn, One can reasonably discuss the story and the situation but one can’t reasonably discuss any of this stuff with a person that says: “The US plunked its troops down in the middle of their country killing 100’s of thousands of innocent civilians.”

                      Wild hyperbole is better left behind in a deep hole never to be seen.

                    1. Let’s not be stupid. The US didn’t kill hundreds of thousands as Jinn said. It is bad enough you have an anonymous name. Try to keep things rational.

                    2. Allan says, “Let’s not be stupid.”

                      Allan needs to take his own comments to heart.

                    3. “Allan says, “Let’s not be stupid. Allan needs to take his own comments to heart.”

                      I do especially where Anonymous the Stupid is concerned.

  8. Trump says left Dems go right, when left is right. There painties are all in a bunch. There base has them all messed up.

    1. “ Trump says left Dems go right, when left is right. There painties are all in a bunch. There base has them all messed up.”


      Ukraine is looking for their foaming at the mouth idiot. Call Hunter Biden ASAP

    1. Push ups as usual, someone should call him out one day. Would be funny as hell if JB got out push upped😎

        1. Bruce – only if they duel to the death. None of this “gentleman’s scar” crap. 😉

    2. Paul
      He wants to know the results of Iran’s investigation first. Then he’ll fight the man that replaced the general…if the results show any wrongdoing.

  9. What is incredible is that Biden seems bulletproof.

    The Dems are so desperate to beat Trump that they will accept any contradiction from Biden.

    Fortunately, the general electorate is more discerning.

    1. @Al Z- Is it true you are Joe Biden posting under a pen name?

  10. Biden was a coward and now we know he’s a liar. Is he Bill Clinton II?

    1. Mespo

      TRUMP is the undisputed King of liars. Didn’t FOX tell you that?

      1. bill mcwilliams – a lot of those lies have been found to be the truth, however they are still counted as lies.

          1. Let me provide just one early one for that turkey YNOT that was created to bloster the Trump is a racist claim. The Times claimed that Trump removed the bust of Martin Luther King from the Oval office when Trump did no such thing.

            YNOT can now return to his hole.

          2. “ Name one, cite.”

            The Charlottesville lie,
            the MS 13 lie,
            the Lester holt lie,
            the Michael Flynn lie,
            the Trump Tower lie,
            the kids in cages lie,
            the Deutsche bank lie,
            the Michael Cohen lie,
            the Mexico lie,
            the Russians lie
            the collusion lie,

            ….too many to list

            1. I had forgotten how many things the socialists had lied about following their party rule on saying anything but come to think of it they have yet to provide any facts or sources on any part of that partial list and much more.

      2. I thought it would be Obama with if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor and the red line in the sand bit

      3. No but we found out that much of what was not true came from the far left … democrats etc. and it’s easy to tell. the never provide any facts or credible sources.

  11. Is it just me or is some “news” not really news? I appreciate creepy Joe being called out; Lord knows the lame stream media won’t do it. But isn’t this a bit like announcing that Epstein the pedophile didn’t commit suicide?

  12. Trump will end the fuss with Iran by promising not to assassinate any more of its leaders if Iran will investigate the BIdens.

    1. That would result in Democrats assassinating Trump and Trumpers…not that they haven’t tried

      This man was stabbed 9 x by your ilk

        1. Checking the link might help

          According to Formeman who is in stable condition currently, as soon as he exited his vehicle two Armenian men involved in the collision met him angrily and commenced to shout racial slurs at him. Foreman says that the last thing he heard before blacking out was “you’re getting the shank white boy.” Foremen also says that they called him a “cracker” multiple times before the attack.

          1. “…two Armenian men”

            This happened back in 2017. Let’s get all the facts before leaping to conclusions.

    2. Another say anything except this time violated the Socialist Party rule that saying or doing anything is the truth IF it advances the party. That piece of PC rap just set them back a couple of decades. Programmed machine parts really are more useful to the Constitutional Centrists than to the far left extremists of the Stupid Party but then they are … machine parts.

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