We recently discussed the apology of the New York Times for publishing a column from a leading United States Senator on the possible use of troops to quell rioting after the death of George Floyd. That decision, and the sacking of the opinion page editor, represented one of the lowest moments in American journalism. It made echo journalism the official policy of one of the oldest news organizations in the United States. The lesson was not, it appears, lost on young college journalists at Syracuse University who sacked a columnist because she questioned claims of “institutional racism.” Adrianna San Marco notably did not write her opinion in The Daily Orange but she was canned for challenging this widely held view. My greatest concern is the lack of specificity from the editors on the objections to her column beyond “reinforcing stereotypes.” Such actions demand a clarity in the standard being applied to writers.
As will come as no surprise to most on this blog, my interest in the controversy at Syracuse is not the merits of the underlying column or its research but the implications for free speech and the free press. In her piece published by LifeZette, she argued that institutional racism is a “myth” and that claimed statistics indicate that police do not target African-Americans. She discussed the findings of a study by the National Academy of Sciences that in late 2019 found “no evidence of anti-Black or anti-Hispanic disparities” across police shootings.
There are ample arguments against such claims, including some referenced by San Marco in her column. It is the type of argument that once defined the intellectual discourse of higher education. Indeed, such topics were often raised precisely because they generated passionate and probing analysis.
This is not those times. Now, the New York Times apologizes for publishing opposing views and young journalists fire colleagues because they hold opposing views. Daily Orange editor-in-chief Casey Darnell seemed to rip a page out of the “new” New York Times:
“Dismissing the existence of racism, whether institutional or otherwise, dismisses the lived experiences of people of color, especially our black community members. San Marco’s article reinforces false and dangerous stereotypes of Black people as criminals, and dismisses that police officers kill black people at disproportionately higher rates than white people.”
Darnell insisted “[w]e aren’t afraid of controversial views, but we have a responsibility to avoid promoting harmful ones. We don’t censor conservative columnists. In fact, we have already hired a conservative columnist to replace San Marco.”
While I applaud the editors for their sensitivity to these issues, I respectfully believe that Darnell misses the point. The concern is the San Marco was sacked because she held an opposing view on “institutional racism.” The challenge is not to select a “conservative” but support writers in holding opposing views, including those expressed in other publications. The decision appears to be based entirely on this one column and San Marco contesting the widely held view of systemic and institutionalized racism. Rather than sack the writer, the question is whether a newspaper can still publish opposing and even upsetting columns as part of its contribution to the national debate. Otherwise, we are enforcing orthodox views or stipulating that only a narrow range of opinions will be tolerated.
I thought that the statement of the editors constitute an excellent and powerful rebuttal. They could go further in specifically addressing San Marco’s statistical arguments. That would make for an important and substantive exchange.
Again, I return to my admittedly fading “old school” view of free speech that, rather than silencing a columnist, a newspaper can be a forum for a variety of views, including those at the extremes of the debate. In the past, I have defended academics accused of anti-white or intolerant views from the left. I would rather have such views freely expressed than engage in selective censorship to silence those with whom we disagree.
Student journalists must decide how to meet the challenge of free speech and free press in an age of rage. They can either yield to calls for censorship (like the New York Times) or they can stand on the defining principle that the solution for anything deemed bad speech is more and better speech. Once again, they would be wise to heed the words of Louis Brandeis in his concurring opinion in Whitney v. California (1927) when he declared “If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies, to avert the evil by the process of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence.”
Promote and protect free speech. Otherwise admit that you are in the German American Bund.
“. . . she was canned for challenging this widely held view.”
There is a creepy, toxic, totalitarian edge to everything that’s going on right now.
Turley also notes that San Marco “. . . claimed statistics indicate that police do not target African-Americans” and “discussed the findings of a study by the National Academy of Sciences that in late 2019 found “no evidence of anti-Black or anti-Hispanic disparities” across police shootings.”
I haven’t read her article so I don’t know what statistics she would have been referring to. But statistics supporting her conclusion are not hard to find. Just about every conceivable metric on police killings and incarceration has been trending in the correct (less racist) direction for at least twenty years. A moderately competent tenth grader could find these statistics on the internet and write a research paper demolishing the claims of BLM and most of the mainstream media as an in-class essay assignment. Indeed, what is difficult to find are accurate statistical data that support BLM’s claims.
But the obvious, simple truths cannot be allowed.
BLM was founded on a lie (“hands up, don’t shoot”) and survives on further lies. Meanwhile, anyone with the temerity to simply notice these things in print is denounced as a racist not to be allowed in polite conversation.
And consider what all of this means. Of the two major incidents that have arisen this month (the awful George Floyd murder and the more clearly justified Brooks killing), there is not the slightest evident that either of them were racially motivated. Nevertheless, the twittersphere, lunatics in the street, and the disgraceful legacy media have felt no hesitation to make precisely this claim. And for what? To justify additional senseless murders, assaults, arson, and property crimes resulting in untold millions of dollars lost. CNN has blood on its hands.
San Marco and others like her deserve our thanks and to be elevated to more prominent platforms.
Hands up, dont shoot is not a lie. Recently a black caregiver was shot by a police officer while trying to protect his charge, a young man with autism. The caregiver, Charles Kinsey was shot in the leg, while he was laying prone, on his back, WITH HIS HANDS IN THE AIR.
As you no doubt know, Jay was referring to the Michael Brown “Hands Up Don’t Shoot” lie, which is the initial founding premise of BLM. And of course, you actually know this very well, but must deflect and distract. Sad.
J. You left out a lot of info on your post. Such as: Kinsey had been retrieving his 27-year-old severely autistic patient; Police encountered the pair while they were searching for an armed suicidal man; Kinsey was lying on the ground with his hands in the air, and trying to negotiate between officers and his patient, when he was shot. The officer who shot Kinsey said he had been aiming at the patient, who the officer believed was threatening Kinsey with a gun.; Kinsey said he was handcuffed and left bleeding on the ground for 20 minutes without police giving him medical aid; AND
following the appearance of cellphone video footage, the officer who shot Kinsey, Jonathan Aledda, was arrested in 2017, and charged with attempted manslaughter and negligence. In June 2019, Aledda was found guilty by a jury of culpable negligence.
Now, this is the rest of the story!
Because the existence of institutional racism cannot be proven by using facts and analysis, using facts and analysis to question that existence cannot be allowed. Not fair!
The nation’s most dangerous straw man.
These guys do a pretty good job of highlighting instsitutional racism with facts and analysis.
https://www.urban.org/features/structural-racism-america
Alas PETA might have been more credible had you cited them. Try NAACP. Certainly theyd be as objective as NYT
Bwahahahaha
Wiki;
“ The Urban Institute has been referred to as “independent”[4][5] and as “liberal”.[6] A 2005 study of media bias in The Quarterly Journal of Economics ranked UI as the 11th most liberal of the 50 most-cited think tanks and policy groups, placing it between the NAACP and the People for Ethical Treatment of Animals.[17] According to a study by U.S. News & World Report most political campaign donations by Urban Institute employees go to Democratic politicians. Between 2003 and 2010, Urban Institute employees’ made $79,529 in political contributions, none of which went to the Republican Party.[18]”
Ad hominem is a common fallacy:
https://www.iep.utm.edu/fallacy/#AdHominem
You can learn to avoid it if you want.
That link is a landing page with a summary of their conclusions and a long list of articles. I scanned the titles and most of them are about policy initiatives but I didn’t happen upon any that explained via facts and analysis that institutional racism exists.
If you have a specific article in mind, I’d be happy to read it.
Maybe read them and extrapolate re institutional racism?
@Hellvis Are you suggesting that if an assumption is stated often enough that we can simply conclude that it must be true? That’s a funny way to do business and I can see why the left relies upon such illogical tactics.
No I’m suggesting you read the articles to get a dose of the ‘proof’ you say doesn’t exist.
almost complete absent from every bit of whining from the BLM faction, is a discussion about how we all benefit, in a way,. from the white “racism” that conquested north america and how it was bought, fought, and taken from the Native Americans, over a couple centuries, bit by bit.
black activists and their encourages, have no sense of shame in acknowledging their piece of the shared “legacy of racism” that allows them to claim their own piece of the American pie
now, it troubles me not much that descendants of slaves are still performing poorly in social metrics. it does not trouble me, because, i understand that whatever the cause, it will be blamed on me, and my survival as a white person is tied to my group, which is being taxed, harassed, harried, and annoyed to support this faction of the population and is now asked to literally bow down before them as if they were Christlike martyrs. they are not. so I don’t feel too bad about existing and surviving, not at all
i feel a little bit more disturbed, that this entire continent was once Indian lands, and they were as I said, settled, bought, taken, etc. bit by bit, and now the descendants of them are marginalized as bad as blacks or worse
I personally didnt have any ancestors who owned black slaves. Yankees all the way from the first step on American soil, all the way back to Europe. But, here I am in a place which still has towns, hills, creeks, etc named after Indian notables who lived barely 2 centuries ago, after the war of independence from the crown was won. I tell myself, I am lucky that I descend from the winners of these conquests, and not the losers. I can acknowledge the privilege that came from that.
Now, I don’t intend to offer to give the land back to the descendants of Natives, nor do I lose sleep over this. But if you want to know anywhere in my hard white male heart do I feel a bit of sympathy for those who got the short end of the stick here by virtue of the cohesion of my ancestors? Sure, I feel a little bit of sympathy for Natives
I notice not one iota of concern in the entire BLM faction in what’s going badly for their fellow Americans who are members of Indian tribes.
Why?
Because as I said– this really has nothing to do with helping anybody except for a. the big dollar donors like SOROS who funded BLM or the Jack Dorseys of Twitter and Zuck of Facebook who want more more more chances to make deals with the CCP and get more more more immigrant workers into their employ; who want to get rid of Trump to advance their own vast financial interests; and
b) the professional organizers and other paid functionaries of BLM, and whatever outfits are out there vacuuming up the millions of dollars in donations offered by lame corporations, who are going to get more salaries and wages out of all this chaos, whatever little actually trickles down to the black underclass which was the supposed beneficiary of all this chaos.
See, it’s a planned destabilization campaign to scare Trump voters. basically. In a nutshell.
Thus, whatever the excuses are, these are lies.
So suddenly we can understand why they don’t even think or mention the equally poor social situation suffered by Native Americans.
PS another thing the Indian experience should remind us horrible awful white Americans is that WE CAN END UP LIKE THEM IF WE DONT PUT UP A FIGHT
Whites are under no threats as a group, despite Kurtz’s fevered and stupid paranoia.
you wouldnt know that from all the cell phone videos circulating of packs of black guys beating the tar out of white folks
and yet book keeps on coming back here talking about one incident from a booger boy named Carillo (the only guy I ever knew named Carillo was a mexican we used to buy weed from in high school)
as if the obvious wrongdoing by Chauvin justified all the rioting and looting and arson or one booger boy shooting spree justified a thousand attacks on weak white people caught in isolation, unarmed.
keep on denying reality book, it’s your task here to pretend like this and remind us all of the sorts of people we have heard from our whole lives who told us there was no such thing as black on white crime. i guess the tens of millions of white folks who have done “white flight” did not exactly agree with that notion
Interesting bit here…
https://nativenewsonline.net/currents/why-black-lives-matters-movement-resonates-with-american-indians/
And in New England, much of the slave population and the indigenous generated a hybrid population and it’s apparent in skin tone — being more recent than, say, when slave owners impregnated their younger slaves.
Interesting to see your breakdown of the issue and how it resolves around property. You have a grudging respect for the victims of genocide if it involved the stealing of land along with it? But not grse you’d probably point out that some of the local tribes, during intertribal warfare, weren’t above enslaving members of losing tribes. True enough. But it wasn’t as systematic and widespread as the reprehensible Europeans were about it.
Interesting little factoid, New England style, many of the indigenous were enslaved as well. It, in fact, it presented a ‘problem’ for the Europeans because when enslaving people who lived close by how were they kept from running home? Why, you ship them off to the Carribbean of course. Or this: you cut off one of their feet so they can still work but have a tougher time running.
Also, maybe don’t pat yourself on the back so hard for your ancestors not owning slaves…, they profited off slavery as well. The nation was built on the back of slavery and even where it wasn’t as widespread, lynchings occured…legally.
Even in the case of my family, Irish Catholic famine refugees basically, on my dad’s side, they came here as indentured servants. But the thing is, when their time was up and they walked down the street to become gangsters and prostitutes and rum runners, they were still of white skin color and weren’t profiled the way happens to those of darker skin color to this very second.
its interesting that the thought has occured to some people. i had a young person even comment to me the other day about indentured servitude which brought so many white people to these shores– a form of chattel slavery now forbidden by law
and yet it barely scratches the consciousness of all these protesters that there is anybody besides themselves. they are focused in an infantile way on the suffering of blacks.
this selfishness is fed by the BLM and other professional organizers who encourage their intoxication on anger like a dope dealer encourages drug abuse. the activist cadres could care less how the “customer” ends up in the end
I have also noticed a big push to ally asian americans with this. it comes from few places but some interesting ones. for example. i follow one chinese american music artist who had his face slashed by a black guy in jail but in a strange sort of stockhold syndrome now makes nonstop apologies for rioting
I follow another one who is an avant garde performance artist and it’s interesting how when she was busy licking protesters boots, and she said the wrong thing, they stomped on her social media account and she just came back licking even harder the next day
from this i can see that not only white people have a hard time navigating between their own obvious group interests, on the one hand, and a sympathy for social concerns on the other hand; but asian americans as well
of course the dynamic is already well known in the jewish community, which has a broad range of thinking and politics, both on american social matters, or on zionism for that matter; and often is in a very sharp and unpleasant discourse with itself
but back to the perpetually aggrieved:
the only group that seems always and ever focused on ITSELF and itself ONLY is the “black lives matter” contingent which is SO aptly named
“indentured servitude … [is] a form of chattel slavery”
Nope. Indentured servitude and chattel slavery are distinct.
one of my patrilineal ancestors lost 3 brothers in the civil war fighting in the yankee infantry during the Civil war. Really, I feel as bitter about that as some black person may feel that their long lost ancestors were slaves. I don’t need anybody’s permission to feel bitter about it any more than they do.
See, nor do I need to apologize for my own existence.
as far as Im concerned, i exist because the one brother who didn’t die, was too young to fight and lucky for him and me too. i wouldn’t erase my own existence one iota for one of the countless wrongs of history. today i exist and that is its own justification
sure there are white group advantages, and hell if I am in hurry to give up one dime or one advantage to those people who want me dead
My apologies for the garbled message. Total cut and paste disaster.
Hellvis this article reminded me of a friend of mine who’s dead now. He was a 1/4 Potawatomie – same tribe as that author– common background for midwestern native americans. he was only a quarter but he looked it, straight black hair, olive complexion
we went to an integrated primary school that was about 45% black– or maybe now they would call that segregated because it was disproprtionately black. i dont know but back then it was called integrated. we were not poor but we lived in the city, and the socalled white schools were in the suburbs.
the black kids used to pick on him constantly calling him Injun Joe etc.
white kids didn’t — he was big and as far as we were concerned he was with us
I remember once I was getting bullied by some black kids when i got caught alone. Injun Joe did his talking with his fists that day and we made friends
he turned me on to weight lifting and martial arts, too.
sadly, he OD’d a few years back. died alone. this was nobody’s fault but his, in all honesty. he had a lot of chances as an adult and he blew them. I hadn’t talked to him after his second stretch in prison, and when he croaked i felt bad about that. like i wasnt there for him when he was there for me. but that was just grief talking. i got over it fast when another friend OD’d. Hell about four of my other white childhood friends OD’d or blew their brains out over the next couple years, really made me sad, too, just overwhelmed. but I decided, I better quit feeling bad and just live on, and they would want me to, I know.
but I loved him, he was like a brother to me, and I’ll never forget the fear I had of the black bullies, the pain they put me through “after school” or on the playground, eating dirt, crying, afraid, or the shame I felt for being weak. It wasnt once, it was a lot, it went on for years, until I moved on to junior high. Oh, it happened again, but I stopped crying, I replaced fear with anger, and paralysis with action, and I outgrew this kind of problem when i finally had the most precious quality, cunning.
For me, he was a brother, we were in the same tribe, it wasnt the Potawatomie tribe, though I have a couple other friends in the local band, rather, it was just us and them. Them were the mean, violent black kids. Now, I had a good friend from that school who was black, so its not like it was a race war. But guess what happened to him? He was murdered at 18 right before going to college, murdered by guess who? yeah, you guessed it. another black guy.
Today, I don’t hate the black kids anymore. I did for a long time. I’ve decided to always look above at who’s pulling the strings. Those puppet-masters, they are worthy of hate.
When I see the likes of Pelosi bowing and scraping before the black jesus like geo Floyd, I see fakes and fools and traitors
there’s white people very rich ones behind this current spate of chaos, and they’re the ones I hate. Hate hate hate. I don’t hate the other, the black folks, they are fellow Americans, and the other has to live too. I can’t hate them and I know they are politically weak as a group. Rather I hate the selfishness and the cupidity and greed and social atomization and individualism and timidity of white people and our fawning desire to be like the “rich and famous”. I hate our vices and I hate those among us who grow rich on them.
I thank God for all this riot and chaos, because I know, God is blessing his children with the iron rod of discipline. It is painful, for some more than others.
But they will learn like I learned. Not to be weak, and not to be alone. Make friends, grow strong, stand together.
Kurtz ignores the fact that Trump gave all the high rollers – his people – a huge tax cut, the resulting deficit to be paid by Trump and Hillary voters – Hillary’s were both poorer and better educated than Trump’s.
the tax cuts are heaped on top of massive deficits that are beyond imagining. trump’s little tax cut just let some people paying now keep more of what they made
the US is now monetizing its debt and it will keep on doing it. we call this “japanication” in investing. it may or may not work out well for us
but pitch the sob story about who “pays for it” to someone else. right now we are all riding on the strength of the USD and that includes all these protesters and rioters too
Interesting bit here…
https://nativenewsonline.net/currents/why-black-lives-matters-movement-resonates-with-american-indians/
And in New England, much of the slave population and the indigenous generated a hybrid population and it’s apparent in skin tone — being more recent than, say, when slave owners impregnated their younger slaves.
Interesting to see your breakdown of the issue and how it resolves around property. You have a grudging respect for the victims of genocide if it involved the stealing of land along with it? But not grse you’d probably point out that some of the local tribes, during intertribal warfare, weren’t above enslaving members of losing tribes. True enough. But it wasn’t as systematic and widespread as the reprehensible Europeans were about it.
Interesting little factoid, New England style, many of the indigenous were enslaved as well. It, in fact, it presented a ‘problem’ for the Europeans because when enslaving people who lived close by how were they kept from running home? Why, you ship them off to the Carribbean of course. Or this: you cut off one of their feet so they can still work but have a tougher time running.
Also, maybe don’t pat yourself on the back so hard for your ancestors not owning slaves…, they profited off slavery as well. They benefitted from infrastsructure built by slaves, etc. The nation was built on the back of slavery and even where it wasn’t as widespread, lynchings occured…legally.
Even in the case of my family, Irish Catholic famine refugees basically, on my dad’s side, they came here as indentured servants. But the thing is, when their time was up and they walked down the street to become gangsters and prostitutes and rum runners, they were still of white skin color and weren’t profiled and discriminated against the way happens to those of darker skin color to this very second.
Hellvis, we got it. You can read the headlines, but did you understand any of the stories? Do you know what sturctural racism means? Do you not recognize that Democrat and leftist policies have created a lot of the problems frequently underscored by those on the left? Think about all the businesss destroyed and lost because of the rioting. That is something your were defending. To whatever extent structural racism exists you and the left are the major cause.
I did not see a “pretty good job”. I saw a lot of data about disparities, but then the zippo on the cause. The cause was just presumed to be Structural Racism.
This is sort of a Witch Doctor approach to things. What, Mkembe, you have bumps in your genital area? You must have angered the Gods! And you, Sistah Makeesha, your head hurts this morning? You must have angered the Gods!
Then, the Witch Doctor publishes a blog where he discusses the dangers of angering the Gods! – with the stories of Mkembe and Makeesha. You see what really happened was they were partying all night, and Makeesha has an std. That explains the bumps and the sore head.
Same with Structural Racism. There may be disparities, but simply creating “Structural Racism” as the straw man excuse is silly. You can get to all those disparities with a dysfunctional family unit. ala 77.3% illegitimate birth rate.
Nice try.
Squeeky Fromm
Girl Reporter
Did truly free speech ever really exist?
You’re here aren’t you ?
True enough. But we’ve never been free to say *anything*. For good reason, too.
Turley or Darren delete some comments on this site. One of Squeeky’s comments was already deleted from this column.
Look at you trying to control what people can say! And then you claim you are for free speech? What a joke! You simply can not handle honest discussion.
Squeeky Fromm
Girl Reporter
Squeeky, Commit is a fraud. He is a gentleman racist bigot (sorta like the civil war democratic plantation owners who wanted to keep the slaves) who is likely paid to post here by G.S. because this blog has such a large following and they don’t like it. So, their mantra is Free Speech for me and NONE for THEE !
That is what I am coming to suspect about him. On the positive side, he has admitted he was wrong a couple of times. That may have sincerity or just a debate ploy. Who knows? Whatever, I have way too much honor and integrity to ever ask for one of his comments to be deleted, or to rejoice if they were.
Exactly how much commitment to honest discussion can there be when he calls for other people to be “cancelled”?
Squeeky Fromm
Girl Reporter
It’s them who are the haters, the racists and the bigots. It is them who want to destroy America (even with its warts) and replace it with just what, is what they are still figuring out. But they fight first. And I fight back. They started this current civil war. I and my friends think this a fight to the end. Just think about the rioting and trashing of the past few weeks. So if that’s what they want, that’s what they will receive.
Difference: we conservatives and middle of the road’ers believe that if you have a different belief, that’s OK with us. But THEY are out to DESTROY ANY(one) opposing thought, conversation, or beliefs.
BTW, since you enjoy poetry:
https://twitter.com/charlesTdale/status/1272946316231028736
Nice poem, but nothing but trivia. BTW, you never answered if you liked my Trayvonazi Song, or at least appreciated the artisticness of it.
I have another one you have probably not seen. This one is old too, from the Trayvon Days:
An Un-Woke Goodnight Prayer
A Short Poem by Squeeky Fromm
Now I lay me down to sleep,
I pray the Lord my soul to keep.
And if my liberal friends get mugged,
Please let it be a young Black thug!
So when they get a busted snout,
And all their brains are running out,
They’ll gently go to those good nights
As Champions of Civil Rights!
Amen.
Squeeky Fromm
Girl Reporter
Squeeky – LOL way to go, girl. 🙂
” That may have sincerity or just a debate ploy. ”
There is no sincerity where CTHD is concerned. He twists and turns to push his agenda without any concern for the truth. He is very much like another commenter on this blog.
This is really intriguing to me: why do so many of you assume I’m male?
And why would you assume that I’m paid? Do you assume everyone here is paid? Are you paid?
I don’t agree that I’m a “racist bigot,” but at least you have my comments about racism to distort on that.
Some of my comments never post. I’ve also had a few deleted because a comment I replied to was deleted, which removes everything posted in response. You don’t find me whining about it. It’s Turley’s blog and he can delete whatever he wants.
You are a racist, a bigot, and dangerous to free thought and the exchange of factual ideas.I don’t give a dam what sex you are either!
LOL that you think I have enough power to be “dangerous to free thought and the exchange of factual ideas.” As best I can tell, I’m a whole lot more committed to the exchange of factual ideas than you are, and your conclusion that I’m “a racist, a bigot” comes from you projecting beliefs onto me that aren’t mine. How about you quote something I actually wrote that you consider racist?
I’m not the one who deleted it, so it’s bizarre that you assert I’m “trying to control what people can say.” I simply noted that one of your comments was removed. Why don’t you contact Turley and ask him why they removed it?
Free speech refers to government restrictions on speech.
Just to be clear, certain kinds of speech are illegal, including defamation, perjury, child p*rn, infringement on intellectual property rights, and incitement. Would you like (some of) those to be legal, or do you agree that some kinds of speech *should* be illegal?
I have no problem with honest discussion. I do dislike dishonest discussion. Unfortunately, many people here choose the latter over the former.
You wrote, and I quote:
“Turley or Darren delete some comments on this site.”
I have never asked anyone to delete some comments, sooo I am better than you!
Squeeky Fromm
Girl Reporter
I gave them a heads up about a vile and threatening comment about Turley and his wife. If you think that makes you better than me, whoop de do.
Only where fake news exists! Or News on Laugh-in.
No of course not. It’s always been a fiction. Someone has to guide the narrative. If it’s not government or the church it’s going to be private interests, ie, capital. That’s how the Framers wanted it; they actually wanted private capital to guide the narrative. it always has and it does now more than ever.
And “Democrats” don’t have much of a clue that their protests etc serve a patently obvious global financial agenda to push down the menace of nationalism and populism which threatens the global free trade, free movement of capital and labor, agenda. That’s the “why” of human rights pablum: not to help humans as such, but to end nations, erase borders, and give power to international global financial interests.
that comment was in reply to the query, “Was there ever really free speech?”
Today is payday and at home we decided: two AR-15 rifles to protect our homestead. Now the cops have rightly decided to push back on the left wing narrative and walk off their calls, its back to the good old days
Bring it!
https://www.voanews.com/usa/race-america/atlanta-police-hold-sick-out-protest-officers-murder-charge
Atlanta police officers called out sick or refused to answer calls Thursday to protest murder charges against a white officer in last Friday’s deadly shooting of an African American man in a fast-food restaurant’s parking lot.
It is unclear how many officers declined to report for work Wednesday night and Thursday, but Mayor Keisha Lance Bottoms assured city residents that they have nothing to fear.
“Mayor Keisha Lance Bottoms assured city residents that they have nothing to fear”
I hope she’s right. Still, I’m glad I don’t live there.
Trust me, she’s not right. She’s lying through her teeth.
That’s all she knows how to do.
It’s the teachers!
It’s the teachers that have created this mayhem!
They are no better or worse than teachers during the rein of Hitler in Germany, asked young school age kits to tell the teachers (or some brown shirted student) if their parents were ‘misbehaving’. Then one night the nazi police (BLM members) show up and their parents disappear.
Funny thing, and this goes back to the early 2000’s with the Bush jr. invasion of Iraq, polarization of media further polarizes. Back then, BBC and Al Jazerra were giving the mosts honest reporting of what was really happening on the ground and people were shocked that it fell to ‘government’ backed news sources to give an honest story.
Fox really pushed the envelope, creating the need for anti Foxes.
Statistically, Ms. San Marco has nothing to stand on. But if she’s writing in the realm of op ed, fine so be it. Tack on a comment from the editor to her stuff pointing out factual inaccuracies. Whatever. That would be the most principled way to handle it…
One of the most effective tools relied on by op ed writers on the right is to say the most obnoxious stuff in order to ‘negotiate’ the discussion’s playing field far enough in a direction that they can come in underneath with something they’d be happy taking. Sort of like a clear out pass route in football…run a receiver through an area to make the defense react and then trail a receiver through the same area to react to what the defense gives up basically. Ms. San Marco is practicing the journalistic equivalent.
But like her rightest counterparts her lack of empathy goes too far, and she’s doing it at a most inoportune time. The country is on edge. Her POV is quite disruptive right now. So I get wanting to cut ties with her.
Maybe label her op ed column …maybe something along the lines of “Views of a Right Wing F Bag”…something like that.
“Statistically, Ms. San Marco has nothing to stand on.”
@Hellvis Why not refute her article with some actual data, analysis or a link to an article that does that for you. Just saying she’s wrong is pretty lame.
I did above.
“her lack of empathy goes too far”
She is not supposed to let empathy even enter the picture when writing a column.
You’re projecting your own guilt about black people unto her.
A perfect example of “A guilty dog barks first and loudest”.
She’s writing op eds. Op eds aren’t straight journalism. It’s her opinion. You’re mixing up the two forms of writing.
Your opinion about what does and does not constitute enough empathy is a classic example of projection.
Again, you’re just a guilty dog barking.
I don’t understand what Hellvis is saying except that I would second the notion that sometimes government run news is better than private news. Actually it often is better.
Then again he would not like my choice of foreign news, I do a quick check of RT every day to get my orders from Comrade Putin
but my NPR listening continues on a reduced yet daily basis even though they make me want to puke with the obsession over all this blm nonsense which is 24/7 for them now.
Just more of the same BS.
Black Lives Matter core message is ‘retelling of the American story as one of oppression and racism’.
Total social upheaval, AND “systemic change is the goal of BLM.
The question is are you a part of it or not?
I’m not understanding JT’s statement, “I thought that the statement of the editors constitute an excellent and powerful rebuttal.” How so?
But the silver lining is that she told ’em to “F-off.” Welcome to the counter-revolution. I like our warriors.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/syracuse-student-journalist-fired-institutional-racism-myth?utm_source=whatfinger&fbclid=IwAR1CeJqdfoGALBJSAARRphUaLDKKRS4Y1qGk_tYrX2GioabZhWfJUQWk6S0
For more than three years now, no democrat or MSM has challenged any media when 93% of the stories on Trump were negative even though at the time many good things were happening in this country. Instead, we have had a steady stream of propaganda from all news sources except Fox and some social media. We also have had a steady stream of democrat allegations about all of the evil things the President supposedly has done when actually they were things democrats were doing. In a similar period of time, in large part through propaganda, Goebbels was able to convince ordinary Germans that it was acceptable to gas the Jews. Our media has convinced a large segment of this country that “institutional racism” exists and that it not only justifies rioting, looting and burning but also the silencing or “canceling” of anyone who disagrees. If we actually had free speech, Americans would have rejected all of this nonsense because they make good decisions if they are given all of the information. But, we don’t have free speech and we have not for some time.
Honestlawyermostly, I agree with your assessment. I cannot help but look at what happened in Germany when it started out being acceptable to basically “cancel” Jews and then escalated from there. Chillingly similar to what’s happening now to white people, although it will be harder for us to blend in (to avoid what was being done to the Jews) than it was for some Jewish people.
Yeah, withdrawing support from public figures (“cancel culture”) is totally like the anti-Jewish laws passed leading up to the Holocaust. /s
https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/antisemitic-legislation-1933-1939
Your claim that pre-war Germany’s actions towards Jews are “Chillingly similar to what’s happening now to white people” is bullsh*t.
Trump gaslights people all the time. Don’t join him in that.
I agree with DV. My Goodness, but when Democrats rally with baseball bats to keep conservative speakers off campus, how can you NOT compare them to the Brownshirts. I made the connection years ago between Trayvon Martin and Horst Wessel. I even wrote a song back in 2013! To the tune of the Nazi National Anthem!
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The Trayvonazi Song
What ever made them think that somebody who shot a person, when that person had just attacked him, broken his nose, and was in the process of banging his head against the concrete, was some sort of racist? My answer is that they are simply the innocent fish who got caught on the race-baiting hook. They were either directly reeled-in by this particular instance of race baiting, or predisposed to jumping in the boat by previous race baiters poisoning the racial atmosphere for the last couple of decades.
Which is why race-baiting is so bad in the first place. The whole point of race-baiting is to stir up racial divisiveness. Of course some people are going to fall for it. Isn’t that the whole point???
Sooo, I wrote this song. If someone is of a mind to be a racial scapegoater, and go around stirring up racial divisiveness for self-aggrandizement and/or money, then they might as well do it right! Therefore, I went to the masters of race-baiting, the Nazis! I mean, who ever did race baiting better than the Nazis? This song is set to the tune of “Horst Wessel.”
Horst was a Nazi street thug who got shot by somebody. It could have been a communist, or his landlady over unpaid rent, or his hooker girlfriend, or one of his hooker girlfriend’s johns, or somebody else he owed money to. The Nazi higher-ups settled on the commie, and made this song into the Nazi National Anthem. A youtube video is above in case you do not know the tune.
The Trayvonazi Song
To The Tune of “Horst Wessel”
by Squeeky Fromm, Girl Reporter
Comrades we must, remember Trayvon Martin!
As we march on, and on with steady gait!
Join in our song, put on and wear your hoodies proudly,
As we fight on, against the Racist State!!!
Join in our song, put on and wear your hoodies proudly,
As we fight on, against the Racist State!!!
The sidewalk calls, his Profile there in chalk lines!
And there his Blood, which time has turned to Black!
Do not forget, the Injury which left him dying,
Was not from gun, but bigoted attack!
Do not forget, the Injury which left him dying,
Was not from gun, but bigoted attack!
So let us march, the Struggle has not ended!
Let bugles ring, and proudly beat the drum!
We can not stop, or ever rest in peaceful slumber,
Until the Racist State we Overcome!
We can not stop, or ever rest in peaceful slumber,
Until the Racist State we Overcome!
Comrades we must, remember Trayvon Martin!
As we march on, and on with steady gait!
Join in our song, put on and wear your hoodies proudly,
As we fight on, against the Racist State!!!
Join in our song, put on and wear your hoodies proudly,
As we fight on, against the Racist State!!!
Sooo, anybody can use this for FREE, with attribution. The words seem to work well with the basic melody. I marched around the Music Room several times banging on a big empty coffee can and I was able to stay in step!!! It did kind of freak out the cats, so if you have pets, try not to disturb them.
Squeeky Fromm
Girl Reporter
*In case you do not know the tune:
Squeeky, you post a lot of racist comments, and it is utterly unsurprising that you cannot deal honestly with DV’s false claim that pre-war Germany’s actions towards Jews are “Chillingly similar to what’s happening now to white people.”
I guess you didn’t learn history of WW2 and earlier. That is EXACTLY what happened. The film ‘Confessions of a NAZI Spy’ in 1939 shows that it is exactly what happened. And the writers scrupulously adhered to court records.
It’s striking that you do some of what Trump does in his sentences: you (and he) use pronouns like “that” and “it” where the referent is never specified. Do tell, when you say “That is EXACTLY what happened,” and “it is exactly what happened,” what do “that” and “it” refer to?
And it’s truly sad that when I give you a link to the U.S. Holocaust Museum (part of the Smithsonian) about Antisemitic Legislation during the pre-war years (1933–1939), you tell me that I should instead watch a fictional film starring Edward G. Robinson. I bet you’re smart enough to understand the difference between fact and fiction. If you want to discuss “court records,” link to actual court records, not a drama.
Pre-war Germany’s legislation against Jews, “abrogat[ing] their political, legal, and civil rights,” is not “Chillingly similar to what’s happening now to white people.” Just what legislation do you think the U.S. government is passing against white people?
Here, again, is the link to the Holocaust Museums discussion: https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/antisemitic-legislation-1933-1939
I think you’re the one who needs to learn more history when it comes to “what happened in Germany when it started out” (quoting you).
Sorry, I conflated DV and delmaracer. I assume that they’re different people, my mistake.
As I shall repeat: Smarts for us and NONE for THEE.
Commit- I am a racist. What are you gonna do about it?
I have and will continue to work against racists.
What a surprise that someone who self-identifies as a racist posts insults. /s
Thank you for your compliment! But ur still an assho
Why Squeeky, how brilliant of you.
But please go easy on these pseudo intellectuals, for they not know what they are saying!
To all the pseudo intellectuals out there, smarts for me and none for thee!
Snappy tune. I expect Antifa to be marching to it soon while the many little Chamberlains in academia and government get on their knees and give thanks for peace in our cities.
This is a great song and Squeaky is trying to ruin it.
Oh, if only someone could fool some stupid Antifa/SJW types to march with those words and that tune, my life would not have been in vain! That would be better even than the broadcast after the airline crash!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1JYHNX8pdo
Squeeky Fromm
Girl Reporter
“Yeah, withdrawing support from public figures (“cancel culture”) is totally like the anti-Jewish laws passed leading up to the Holocaust.”
You are correct in pointing out that comparing cancel culture to run-up to the holocaust is hyperbolic. Comparing most things to the holocaust is hyperbolic. To take another example, I have heard, and ignored, the description of police killings of blacks as a “holocaust.” (The black on black murder rate is a closer, but still quite inapt comparison).
But just because something isn’t the holocaust doesn’t mean that it should be tolerated. There is a weird, neo-totalitarian tinge to the apparent need of so many public figures and corporate entities to compete in pledging fealty, and demanding everyone else’s fealty, to a toxic ideology of identity politics. Andrew Sullivan, himself incurably afflicted with TDS, had the insight to notice this in his NY magazine column last week.
Commit – I guess you didn’t learn history of WW2 and earlier. That is EXACTLY what happened. The film ‘Confessions of a NAZI Spy’ in 1939 shows that it is exactly what happened. And the writers scrupulously adhered to court records.
I just rented Confessions of a Nazi Spy on Prime for $1.99. I think I have seen it before, but it has been a while.
Squeeky Fromm
Girl Reporter
‘Report any and all suspicious activity or conversation to higher authority. 11:22 into the movie.
WoW, sounds just like BLB. Oh, and ANTIFA, recently swallowed by BLM.
I guess you didn’t learn history of WW2 and earlier. That is EXACTLY what happened. The film ‘Confessions of a NAZI Spy’ in 1939 shows that it is exactly what happened. And the writers scrupulously adhered to court records.
Funny, but the left in this country is increasing its anti-Semetic tone. That is to be expected for much of the left is inclined to fascism and race baiting.
“93% of the stories on Trump were negative”
LOL at the evidenceless precision of this claim. How would one even figure out which stories to count if one were honestly trying to calculate the percentage?
Your claim that “Our media has convinced a large segment of this country that “institutional racism” exists and that it not only justifies rioting, looting and burning but also the silencing or ‘canceling’ of anyone who disagrees” is bullsh*t.
Just how “large” a segment are you talking about? I think most Americans, including most on the left, do not think there’s any justification for “rioting, looting and burning” or “silencing.” And institutional racism does exist (if you doubt that, read some of the research: https://scholar.google.com will let you focus on research results), as does non-institutional racism.
Re: “Americans … make good decisions if they are given all of the information,” if you’re worried about people not getting “all of the information,” I hope you’re as concerned about that on the right as on the left.
NO EVIDENCE YOU SAY? I guess you didn’t understand the Mueller report, eh? Or just maybe the report did not conclude what you wanted there fore it doesn’t exist?
Just how racist and biased can you be?
I have no idea what you’re referring to in what I wrote. How about you quote what you’re referring to?
That should make it clear, and should also help you focus on what I actually said and not on a straw man substitution.
““93% of the stories on Trump were negative”
LOL at the evidenceless precision of this claim. How would one even figure out which stories to count if one were honestly trying to calculate the percentage?
The Mueller report clear trump of all charges, as did the impeachment charade?
I guess you are so racist and biased that you never learned critical thinking skills as they would interfere in your racism and bias.
I didn’t read the Mueller report, but I’m pretty sure it didn’t have anything to say about the percentage of news stories that were anti-Trump.
I’m willing to be corrected on this fact question, if anyone who’s read the report can say otherwise.
I’ve read a lot of the Mueller Report and you’re correct that “it didn’t have anything to say about the percentage of news stories that were anti-Trump.” It’s easy enough to search on the word “news” to see how it does discuss news: https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf
The Left are tyrants. Get used to it or fight it.
The student journalists are reinforcing stereotypes of campus liberals as those who only support some kinds of speech. Some pigs are more equal than others, it seems.
Rose– That these are student journalists expecting to work in media gives some idea why national media is so corrupt and dishonest.
Professor Turley, I do not think your view of free speech is fading. Perhaps amongst certain circles it is being forgotten, but there is robust defense of the classical liberal understanding of free speech in other circles.
Rose says: “Professor Turley, I do not think your view of free speech is fading.”.
No, not exactly fading; his view is being spotlighted and targeted for destruction.
Adrianna is echoing the view of black intellectual giants Bob Woodson and Shelby Steele, among others!
When will these assassinations of critical, free thoughts end?!!!
@Cindy Bragg Why would you expect it to end?
This is what happens when those in power cannot persuade others on the merits of their policies – they just cut out the dissent.
History tells us they will not freely choose to stop this.
This is fascism pure and simple. It is made possible by the cowardice of our educational elites who lack the moral fiber and faith in the exchange of free ideas. They lack the moral authority to defend Western Civilization in the face of what is clearly a brownshirt mentality. The cancer of fascism has spread from college campuses to society at large. The use of force and administrative power against those who disagree has now morphed into punishing those who remain silent (“silence is violence”). Our universities have spent decades pandering to crackpot ideas and failing to offer a moral defense of our heritage. Now the chickens have come home to roost!
I am legitimately wondering what the professor will do if law collapses all together. Will he capitulate? Your views are not ‘old school’, JT. They are sane. Sanity’s opposite has had our country in its grip for some time now. Thank you for your integrity, but we are rapidly approaching the point where our elected officials, media, etc. are undoing our country. My friends in (southern) Ireland are absolutely baffled by the atrocity known as the modern left. There is nothing sane or egalitarian about them. The Nazi party has been resurrected it seems. Just waiting for the day some leftist scholar declares, flying in the face of their own previous rhetoric (a common occurrence), ‘You know, Hitler really wasn’t THAT bad.’.
Didn’t used to be this way but now I am comfortable referring to American Liberals collectively as a fascist regime. When video games at Apple are openly communist and Teen Vogue publishes treatises on Marx aimed at teen girls (Ive decided that yes, females are being targeted much more often, hence the majority at protests etc. Also, that piece fails to mention Marxism was the cause of nearly 100 million deaths, among other things. Just another ‘austere scholar’!), we really need to say, ‘Whoa! Hold on here!’.
“The Nazi party has been resurrected it seems.”
Trump’s campaign is the one using Nazi symbolism: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/06/18/nazis-used-red-triangles-they-symbol-organized-hate/3217951001/
You should have said “Just waiting for the day some [rightwing] scholar declares, flying in the face of their own previous rhetoric (a common occurrence), ‘You know, Hitler really wasn’t THAT bad.’” There are already plenty of white nationalists and neo-Nazis on the right saying that already.
Deflection is about what I’d expect of your sophistry. Oh look! a kitty cat!!
And at this point, empty insults are all that I expect from you.
You’re not worth much else.
And that’s a key difference between us: I recognize that society is better off when I don’t insult I disagree with, whereas you seem to care more about indulging your desire to insult than about what’s good for society. Your choice respond with insults says more about you than about me.
The key difference between you and me is I took the red pill.
Does “the red pill” cause people to insult instead of making a substantive argument? ROFL.
It’s ironic that you accuse me of “Deflection” when you’re the one who has said nothing substantive / nothing in response to James’s comment. Congrats on succeeding in your goal of deflection from James and my discussion of whether ““The Nazi party has been resurrected” and if so, by whom.
Mespo seems quite enamored of deflection and elitist hatchet chucking. We all gotta be good at something.
“Congrats on succeeding in your goal of deflection from James and my discussion of whether ““The Nazi party has been resurrected” and if so, by whom.”
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Why by the Nazis, of course, who else and what else can be said? It’s obvious to most, but if you don’t recognize who they are, my words won’t help.
Nazi Party is rightwing, not leftwing: https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/the-nazi-rise-to-power
Glad that you agree that it’s not those on the left who would be saying “You know, Hitler really wasn’t THAT bad.”
yes, even Spock complimented the Nazi’s.
@CTHD
Actually, there were quite a number of “Left” wingers who liked Fascism. For egs, W.E.B. DuBois. Pick up a copy of Thomas Sowell’s Intellectuals and Society and read all about it. I am about 1/6 of the way thru it and it is a remarkable book.
Squeeky Fromm
Girl Reporter
Squeeky, “Fascism” and “Nazi Party” are not synonyms.
@CTHD
Yes, I know Nazism and Fascism are not one and the same, Sowell went over that pretty well in his book. That is why I used the broader term, fascism. FWIW though, WEB DuBois was fairly complimentary of Hitler, as was George Bernard Shaw.
And as Sowell pointed out, the Left is closer to fascism than conservatives because the Left wants the anointed and elite, like themselves, to make the decisions instead of individuals.
Squeeky Fromm
Girl Reporter
wow, it continues to amaze me about how little people in America understand the nazi phase in German history.
there is very little just comparison between nazi “anything” and America
not except maybe comparing the growth of the administrative state under the NS regime to the growth of the administrative state under FDR, or, their massive public works programs, such as the Autobahn or FDR’s many programs. funny, how we were just discussing the administrative state yesterday, and I repurpose its history for this conversation.
FDR had more in common with Hitler than any other American POTUS ever before or since. And these things were not necessarily bad things. Not racist things, I mean government and economic program things.
But I will stop before someone calls me a nazi for pointing out “inconvenient truths’ that relate to the successes of that regime in german society prior to losing the war.
See, stating facts can get a person in a lot of trouble these days.
Fun fact: at one time thorazine came in a red pill.
Hellvis:
More fun fact for the illiterate, it was orange as anyone with a PDR knows. Clever actually requires you to be clever.
Was implies past. Now implies current. Good you looked it up in the PDR…you wouldn’t even have had to go that far what with the google machine these days and all.
Society is better off when you don’t insult what you disagree with. Society is much better off when student newspapers (and the NYT) don’t silence what they disagree with; much better off even than that when antifa and BLM and the KKK (wherever the hell they are, these days) don’t react with violence to what they disagree with. We’ve made great progress with KKK; BLM and antifa, not so much.
You and mespo are in a much better place.
By the way, the Fulton Co. DA is an effin’ retard.
jrh
I agree that society is better of when people across the political spectrum don’t react violently.
I support freedom of speech as promoted by our First Amendment. But the First Amendment is a restriction on government abridgement of speech. It doesn’t require any press outlet to publish specific speech, and the NYT is not “silencing” anyone by choosing not to publish something. If you think they are, then you’d have to conclude that they’re “silencing” the vast, vast majority of speech, since the vast, vast majority of speech is never published by the NYT.
Re: “We’ve made great progress with KKK [in terms of ‘react[ing] with violence to what they disagree with’]; BLM and antifa, not so much,” if you include all groups, not just those three, a bill currently before Congress notes “Congress finds the following: (1) White supremacists and other far-right-wing extremists are the most significant domestic terrorism threat facing the United States. …”
Im ready for the next phase, where the First amendment becomes as irrelevant as the third.
smart people are ready for this. Nobody in power wants to say it, but the day is in sight when it ceases to matter anymore.
The day has already come to some extent. Social media has stovepiped information along private lines and government sponsored education fades in cultural relevance. Democrats are way ahead of Republicans on making use of that, ahem, all Silicon Valley are suddenly way past banning mangers and nativity scenes, and are all about free speech for their own massive corporate interests now.
Republicans need to catch up to reality, blast Silicon valley to pieces with antitrust law, and fast, or accept the future of America as a one party state.
If people are interested in how private interests are becomning more and more powerful vis a vis states, not just here but everywhere, I refer you to this prophetic work by Israeli historian Martin Van Creveld
https://www.amazon.com/Rise-Decline-State-Martin-Creveld/dp/052165629X
Fake news, just like you are!
James, I agree with your comment about women being targeting. I get several women’s magazines on a monthly basis, and the targeting is so overt that there’s less and less I want to read! It’s so offensive to have to read all this propaganda in magazines that should limit their subjects to makeup and fashion. Ironically, once the police are cleared out, it’s the WOMEN who will be most vulnerable to rape, assault and other crimes, and yet there are so many of them now who are actively participating in all the defund-police anti-white nonsense.
It’s the controversy ‘du jour’. Turley, instead of chasing this ambulance only, why not expose some of the right wing Christian universities that rarely fire professors who stray from the racist, bigoted, straight and narrow because they never get hired. Bigotry and bias is found in both directions, but much more prevalent on the right. Ya might want ta balance out your mind a little there professor.
@issacbasonkavich Let’s not pretend that the influence of right wing Christian universities is anywhere near that of the rest of American academia.
And to the extent that they don’t support free speech or an open exchange of ideas, I wouldn’t support that either.
So, according to you, a private company (or university) can’t decide how it is going to run its business? See, you are a commie! Justice for me and none for thee – thank you.
@delmaracer I said I wouldn’t support them. I didn’t say they can’t do it. Get it?
Isaac may not realize that Catholics are Christians too, and Catholic universities lean heavily towards the Democrat side of things. And Catholic universities are no small potatoes like the Pentecostal ones.
You’re not a Christian Isaac, I suspect, so we will cut you some slack on this one.
JT, the Cultural Revolution is here. Syracuse is sooooo wrong and on the wrong side of history to use their term.