“Blood-Chilling” or Just A Tweet? Debunking The Coup d’Trump

Below is my column in the Hill newspaper on the continued speculation over President Donald Trump delaying or cancelling the 2020 election. This conspiracy theory first appeared shortly after Trump’s election and became the rage when Vice President Joe Biden predicted that Trump would try to halt the election (and try to steal the election through the Postal Service). Despite the overheated coverage, Trump did not try to delay the election. He cannot delay the election. He asked a question of whether it should be delayed, which Congress can legally do. However, as I said immediately after the tweet, it is a question that is politically absurd and legally unfounded. However, the only thing more ridiculous was the response to this eleven-word question. It is all part of the panic disorder that seems triggered by Trump tweets on a daily basis.

Here is the column:

This week, American democracy either died or it didn’t, but you couldn’t tell from the news coverage. Some commentators and members of Congress warned that we are looking at “nothing less than a coup.” Others called for organized protests, proclaiming it is now clear that President Trump’s “anti-democratic intent was blood-chillingly real.” One leading academic called for Trump’s immediate impeachment as a fascist out to destroy our constitutional system.

We have not seen such rhetoric since Aaron Burr tried to peel off the entire southwestern territory of the United States. The cause this time was an 11-word Twitter question from President Trump. Returning to his favorite subject of denouncing mail-in voting as a disaster in the making, he ended his July 30 tweet by asking, “Delay the election until people can properly, securely and safely vote?”

As I said at the time, the tweet was reckless and repugnant. However, cries of some Twitter-based coup d’état were equally unconnected to reality. I have written repeatedly about this conspiracy theory that Trump will never allow an election to occur in 2020, which has raged on liberal websites and cable news since soon after his inauguration.

Trump does not have the authority to delay the election. Even if he could persuade Congress to change the date, with the implausible assistance of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, the Constitution still stipulates that his term ends at noon on Jan. 20. In the interim, not only do citizens have to vote, but electors have to cast ballots in the Electoral College, and those votes must be certified and counted by Congress.

It is not much of a coup when you do not extend your time in office. It does not matter what Trump would like; it is what the Constitution will allow. A demand to delay the election has the same impact as Trump declaring he will change his name to “Joe Biden” if needed to claim victory, or that he will adopt Neptune’s calendar to extend his four-year term to 660 years.

That is why this conspiracy theory has been so maddening. Indeed, in a column in April, I criticized former Vice President Joe Biden when he took up the theory, triggering another round of panic; Biden added a second theory to this baseless fear, suggesting that Trump’s opposition to funding the U.S. Postal Service was part of a plan to steal the election. (I later wrote an equally caustic criticism of Jared Kushner when he equivocated about Election Day.)

While I portrayed Biden back then as a virtual nut for raising this conspiracy theory, many now have proclaimed him a virtual Nostradamus following Trump’s tweet. Biden was not right — any more than Trump is today. It is no surprise — and no sign of a conspiracy — that Trump might suggest something outrageous, such as a delayed election, on Twitter. Such behavior is an established fact that occupies many of us on a daily basis. The “conspiracy theory” is to suggest that Trump could actually halt or delay the election.

In fairness to Trump, he has not stated that he can unilaterally delay the election but rather has asked if we should do so. Later, he denied actually wanting a delay. Still, the tweet still showed terrible judgment and rekindled this conspiracy theory on the internet.

Normally sensible people seemed to take leave of their constitutional senses. Northwestern University professor Steven Calabresi wrote a column for The New York Times calling for Trump’s immediate impeachment over his question. Calabresi said this “latest tweet is fascistic and is itself grounds for the president’s immediate impeachment again by the House of Representatives and his removal from office by the Senate.”

Having testified at the Clinton and Trump impeachments, I have no delusions about how impeachment often is a magnet for claims of high crimes and misdemeanors. Indeed, in the last few years, various experts and members of Congress have demanded impeachment for everything from Trump’s tweets to his criticism of the football player “kneelers.”

Yet Calabresi is not some internet loon; he is a respected academic who is suggesting that asking if an election should be delayed due to a pandemic is grounds for removal. Keep in mind that it is legal for Congress to delay the election, so Trump was suggesting something that can be done constitutionally. It would be practically illogical and politically impossible, but it would be legal. So is a president to be considered removable for suggesting legal if illogical measures? Imagine that as a standard in history. I would sooner impeach him for using three successive question marks in his question.

As is so often the case, Trump’s loose rhetoric overshadowed what might have been a lucid point. Trump objected that a shift to mail-in voting will cause delays and challenges after Election Day. I have covered presidential elections as a legal analyst for several decades; each election has had challenges, including the lingering controversy over the 2000 Bush-Gore contest ultimately resolved by the Supreme Court. While we have long used absentee balloting, we have not used mail-in voting on such a massive scale. It will, inevitably, add a new layer of problems and potential challenges. Trump also is right that it will likely delay the final counting of votes.

There is every reason to be worried. We have a relatively short window for challenges and recounts before the Electoral College meets on Dec. 14 to certify the results. While that date also could be changed, it would soon collide with another statutory date — Jan. 6 — when Congress must meet to certify the results. There is a real possibility for floor fights on the certification of the votes from given states and the possible failure to certify some states caught up in litigation. It is even possible that such challenges could continue to Jan. 20. What is not in doubt, however, is Trump continuing in office: On that day, he is no longer president unless he is reelected.

Indeed, for Trump, the only thing more nightmarish than losing would be if no duly elected president can be determined. Pelosi could theoretically become the acting president as the next in succession. One would think that would be enough incentive for the Trump administration to be sure that the Postal Service is fully prepared for Election Day. That is why we need to put this conspiracy theory to bed. Trump cannot unilaterally delay the election. Our real concern should be what will happen when the election is held on Nov. 3.

Jonathan Turley is the Shapiro Professor of Public Interest Law at George Washington University. You can find his updates online @JonathanTurley.

307 thoughts on ““Blood-Chilling” or Just A Tweet? Debunking The Coup d’Trump”

  1. Before the election Trump winning seemed like a bad joke. Then he won and the blithering and blathering took on a more serious tone. Trump is a master at manipulating the market or selling the sizzle and not the steak. Over time Trump’s blithering idiocy became the usual and the people became inured to it. Trump lied again and again and it all became like a bad dream one gets used to. Since January, however, faced with a real crisis, this circus has become a serious warning of how fragile the American system of elections are. From Trump, mail in ballots will skew the election to the left. Yet there is no mention of the fact that the USPS is used by the left and right, equally. This has become the new answer Trump gives to his tanking in the polls, ‘nobody likes me’, ‘fake news’, ‘conspiracy’, etc. At this point the Democrats don’t have to say a word. Trump illustrates Trump better than anyone. The only political campaign tactic needed by the Democrats is to continuously replay Trump being Trump. “I just make stuff up.” when caught in a lie. etc, etc. Trump will get rid of Trump.

    1. Isaac’s been hoping and predicting much the same for an early departure which never materialized over the past 3 and a half years

      you could try praying, perhaps, it might elevate the tone of your vain hopes

    2. After President Trump’s huge and extensive success in office and before President Trump’s historic landslide victory in November, the communists (liberals, progressives, socialists, democrats, RINOs) begged China to release the “China Flu, 2020” to stop him.
      ________________________________________

      “[Trump’s] not ever going to become president, right? Right?!”

      – Lisa Page to FBI paramour, Peter Strzok
      _________________________________

      “No. No he won’t. We’ll stop it.”

      – Peter Strzok to FBI paramour, Lisa Page

  2. America is in a condition of hysteria, incoherence, chaos, anarchy and rebellion.

    President Abraham Lincoln seized power, neutralized the legislative and judicial branches and ruled by executive order and proclamation to “Save the Union.”

    President Donald Trump must now seize power, neutralize the legislative and judicial branches and rule by executive order and proclamation to “Save the Republic.”

  3. “Vice President Joe Biden predicted that Trump would try to halt the election (and try to steal the election through the Postal Service). “

    Where did Joe Biden get that idea? He and Obama tried to use the IRS for the same purpose. Every accusation the left has made against Trump has actually been performed, attempted to be performed or contemplated by the left.

    1. “In late September 2017, an exhaustive report by the Treasury Department’s inspector general found that from 2004 to 2013, the IRS used both conservative and liberal keywords to choose targets for further scrutiny, blunting claims that the issue had been an Obama-era partisan scandal.[2][3] The 115 page report confirmed the findings of the prior 2013 report that some conservative organizations had been unfairly targeted, but also found that the pattern of misconduct had been ongoing since 2004 and was non-partisan in nature.”

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRS_targeting_controversy

      1. Wikipedia is a complete and total joke.

        So it figures that you would lamely attempt to use it as a rejoinder.

        1. Rhodes, as as I have seen ‘you’ are a ‘complete and total joke’. I’ll believe Wikipedia over a troll like you.

          1. Seth– You could have said, “based on what I have seen you are less credible than Wikipedia” without losing anything of your point except the adolescent insults.

            1. Young, Rhodes is just like you: ‘A commenter who keeps constantly inserting negative replies while never, ever making constructive or insightful points’.

              Trumpers hate facts and for that reason they hate fact-checkers, Wikipedia, mainstream media other legal blogs.

              1. You don’t like being mocked and I was only suggesting language that you could use that would make you look less like those noisy, yapping little dogs that bite everyone’s ankles and pee on the carpet. Sooner or later they get booted as you do often. Just trying to help Daisey Dog.

              2. Once again, Seth. I didn’t vote for Trump or Hillary.

                But you’re incapable of comprehending that due to your simplistic “it’s us versus them” binary thinking.

                “they hate fact-checkers, Wikipedia, mainstream media other legal blogs”

                You’re comparing Wikipedia and the MSM to “legal blogs?!

                WTF?! You really need to start preparing for the new school year.

            1. SEE ALAN’S COMMENT?

              “Paint Chips” is a code word that creepy gays use on this blog. For some reason Turley can’t get rid of thse creeps.

              1. I think it refers to someone who is retarded because of eating lead based paint chips and has nothing to do with being gay.

                  1. Allan — Yes, I thought it was a Paint Chip comment too. Daisey Dog likes to present a ‘moving target’ as he claimed earlier but the yapping always reveals the target.

              2. I chose the name Paint Chips for Seth for 2 reasons: 1. He had been using so many aliases that I needed one that captured his body of work on this blog. 2. One consistent characteristic of every alias he has used is his total absence of critical-thinking skills. He has yet to prove he has a functional left-half of his brain.

                I’ll be certain to inform my wife that she is married to a creepy gay man. 😉

                1. Olly– Thanks. Provenance revealed and it is appropriate. I didn’t think it had anything to do with being gay. Don’t know how he got that idea or why he is so sensitive about it. Leonardo was gay but Paint Chips is no Leonardo.

          2. Seth, you are nothing but a DNC troll. So it is extremely funny and ironic that you would call anyone here a troll.

            Apparently you have no idea how Wikipedia works. Which is no surprise for a kid in middle school, like you.

            You’re not even old enough to vote. So the ONLY reason you post here is money.

        2. it is a useful resource actually,. however, it is open source, and mobs of Democrats regularly team up to selectively edit key articles and project their narrative

          if Republicans were organized properly, they would do the same

          However, Republican party is characterized by a lack of organization, which unfortunately means, once Trump is in retirement, sooner or later, a collapse

          Democrats are drooling over this, and Republican voters need to understand, that one guy does not equal a political organization. Instead Trump; has been a fig leaf covering the lack of it.

        3. Rhodes, if you think there’s something false on the Wikipedia page, nothing is stopping you from correcting it.
          Are you too lazy?

          And if you don’t trust the text on the page, focus on the references (e.g., “[2][3]” in bythebook’s quote), which clearly aren’t a “joke.”

          Wikipedia is imperfect and admits that, but it isn’t a “joke.”

          1. Commit– You are right. Wikipedia is not a joke. I use it often and at times it is very good. Given how it is structured, and the bias of some in control, it is bound to have problems. It is good to use if one bears that in mind.

            I recall an article a few years ago by a scholar who had written a carefully researched book on Sacco and Vanzetti. He noticed an error in the Wikipedia article and corrected it. Within minutes his correction was undone. That happened several times until he took it higher and was told he didn’t have enough authorities for his correction. He explained his book was full of citations to authority and that he, himself, was an authority. No difference. The error remained. Use it but use it with care.

          2. managing important edits of wikipedia is definitely an operation in “information warfare”

            and Republicans are poorly organized to engage in such operations

            I & others have been recommending it for years, nearly 2 decades, and apparently nobody is minding the store.

            this is why i say that the GOP has been and perhaps still is by hacks who are country clubbers, ever lazy and unready to get their hands dirty

            I may have a word with my incompetent local Republican infrastructure soon about this, though I know their hearing aids failed not long after they got them
            and trust me they have a lot of hearing aids in that group

            their lackluster support for President Trump has left me feeling displeased with them from day one. oh wait i was displeased with them before Trump came on the scene too.

            Their moment of worst collective failure was back during Nixon’s time and only Trump’s acid tongue has breathed life into the ones that are with the program, fear of ridicule, which is about the only thing stuffed shirts are concerned about. which is why they are usually ineffective and why trump is often effective. he pushes past the ridicule and even harnesses the energy.

            The Donald is “the Great communicator” of our era

          3. I have corrected obvious fallacies on Wikipedia in the past that had to do with criticisms of TCM, Ayurveda, and other non-traditional (in the Western world) medical practices.

            Within less than an hour my corrections were gone, and the same establishment defender drivel was back.

            It’s a complete joke. If you need actual verified encyclopedic knowledge, Britannica works quite well.

            1. If your edits were reverted, nothing stopped you from requesting dispute resolution. Wikipedia has multiple means of resolving differences of opinion between editors re: what the text should say.

              And you didn’t say whether your “corrections” were accompanied by reliable references. If not, they might have been reverted for that reason alone.

              1. “nothing stopped you from requesting dispute resolution.”

                With hot political topics Wikipedia isn’t that much different from Twitter and Facebook.

                1. it is a more open source than either Twitter and FB. those are literally private property with a closed editing architecture.
                  not the same as wiki.

                  so, if people want a chance to establish a narrative, Wiki deserves the work, because it can make a difference.
                  but similar to those others, certain liberal attitudes prevail. this COULD be changed if a sufficient number became active in the wiki endeavors but it would require a sustained presence and often conservatives do not seem patient nor organized enough to put in the work.

                  1. considering the billions of dollars that guys like soros toss around to liberal groups, they can and do fund innumerable committees and such to exploit such opportunities.

                    the day may never come when a standing committee of conservative editor volunteers is out there plying wiki for edits to strategic topics.

                    but i just suggested that one be called into existence. let some of these Republicans who get paid to influence opinion– yes they do exist, however rare– actually earn their pay and get on it. my volunteering time is applied 100% to the Turley blog at the moment.

              2. You seem to be under the impression that I have the time and motivation to deal with the “editor” clown show on Wikipedia. Of course the corrections I made were accompanied by reliable references.

                The corrections I made were done back in 2012. It is now far worse.

                Encyclopedia Britannica is an actual legitimate encyclopedia, Wikipedia is not.

                1. Nope, I didn’t assume that you have any motivation to address it.
                  But your lack of motivation doesn’t change the fact that Wikipedia has various dispute resolution processes that you could have drawn on.

                  If you said what you introduced (e.g., on the Ayurveda page), we could look at exactly what happened with your edits, using the page history feature. But I doubt you want to do that either.

                  1. There are loads of reports, including proof, available demonstrating that where politics is involved Wikipedia is biased. When dealing with humans bias is natural but when dealing with the left bias is encouraged. Even the co-founder of Wikipedia states there is tremendous bias in Wikipedia and that it is an unreliable on many issues.

      2. “In late September 2017, an exhaustive report by the Treasury Department’s inspector general found that from 2004 to 2013, the IRS used both conservative and liberal keywords to choose targets for further scrutiny,

        Yeah, that’s why Lois Lerner took the 5th and the IRS was playing hide-the-ball from their own inspector-general and Eric Holder assigned the case to an Obama donor.

        1. I believe Tax Prof Blog has an archive of all of his posts on the IRS scandal if anyone’s interested.

      3. Are you ——- kidding me?

        An exhaustive report by the Warren Commission revealed that Lee Harvey Oswald assassinated President John F. Kennedy.

        Yep. Shore did!

        Allan Dulles, John Foster Dulles, J. Edgar Hoover, Carlos Marcello, Lyndon Baines Johnson, the CIA, FBI, NSA, ONI, the Mob, an army of agents, cut-outs and functionaries et al. had absolutely nothing to do with it.

        Dang! What about the facts? What about the truth?

        Oh, and “Dudley Do-Right,” aka John Durham, can’t find the Grand Canyon from Williams, Arizona (just hop on the train, Dudley), regarding the Obama Coup D’etat in America.

        An “exhaustive report.”

        Un———believable.

  4. Again, I still do not think that Professor Turley is taking sufficiently into account, in his undoubtedly correct legal analyses of this issue, the rhetorical strategy that Trump (and Kushner, etc.) is clearly pursuing which has nothing to do with the law, and underlies the calls for his impeachment that Turley finds so ludicrous.

    Trump cares nothing for the law, and would ignore it altogether if he thought he could. He is, and has been throughout his presidency, floating a series of trial balloons about the possibility of his not leaving office if he is unseated according to regular constitutional procedures, whether by casting doubt on the election result or by adjourning or cancelling the election itself.

    While he cannot cancel the election, he could, in theory, create or culivate political conditions that would make these mere legal inconveniences (from his point of view) irrelevant, if there were sufficient uncertainty about who won or who was in charge – or, more specifically, who could command the military to remove the “illegitmate” president if that became necessary – or if there were sufficient divisions within the military and police, or society in general, that, law be damned, he would not leave and would at least have a fighting chance of staying “relevant” if not actually “president”, notwithstanding the social and political chaos that could ensue (civil war in the worst case scenario).

    Turley is underestimating the in extremis character of the general political crisis that Trump thrives on, even if he is right on the law.

    1. oh, wait, are you reading from the Democrat script? because for 3 plus years the Dem leadership has been calling him illegitimate and claiming Russians stole the election

      Just couldn’t get the military behind you, was the weak point of this scheme. I guess. Nor Congress evidently from the failed impeachment vote

      The ones turning America towards a Banana Republic is the failed Democrat leadership not Trump.

      Or could it be that we have imported so many people into our country from Banana Republics, literally, that we have sunk to that level?

      Because migration of tens of millions of people will change the tenor of the people, believe it or not.

      1. I’m curious Kurtz why the whole TDS, Dems didn’t recognize the results of the election *4yrs ago* meme scenario flies with you guys. I’m guessing Mitch McConnell’s strategy of dedicating to making Obama a 1 term president doesn’t compare in any way?

        Because blown pandemic response aside, this is an election year after all. It’s built in that someone will run against the incumbent. Standard American politics.

        1. Not to mention one of the main mistakes the incoming trumpies made was to act like they were in office before inauguration (read Flynn). While on the other hand trump himself just continued his rally schedule and didn’t do the work of properly staffing his administration.

        2. “blown pandemic response”

          Gosh, how I wish a 78 year old man with mid-stage and rapidly progressing Dementia had been in charge of the “pandemic response”.

          Just keep your mask on, and get back under the bed, Bugs.

          (BTW, your mask is equivalent to putting up a chain link fence to keep Mosquitoes out of your yard).

  5. Another conspiracy theory

    Rep. Maxine Waters targets USPS Postmaster DeJoy. Maxine tweets:

    Trump put Postmaster DeJoy in charge of the postal service to dismantle the USPS & sabotage vote by mail. We’ve got to fight back!
    9:41 AM • Aug 3, 2020

    1. They make up problems that don’t exist and then call on people to fight against the straw man conspiracy theories. This is clever, but grasping at straws

    2. Postmaster DeJoy is “the first in decades to hold the position without prior experience within the agency. In addition to concerns about his qualifications, others have raised questions about DeJoy’s ability to address potential financial conflicts of interest implicated by his interests in USPS contractors and competitors like XPO Logistics, J.B. Hunt and UPS.” – https://s3.amazonaws.com/storage.citizensforethics.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/29210756/CCWI-CREW-Letter-to-Sen-Johnson-7-30-20-FINAL1.pdf

      It’s hardly in the best interests of the country to have someone like this as Postmaster.

        1. Biden thinks before he speaks. Shocking. Still needs to take some lessons from Obama on how to use the dramatic pause though.

          1. I only learned this year that Biden has a stutter and sometimes pauses when speaking to control it.

          2. “Biden thinks before he speaks.”

            Best of luck with that fallacy, Bugs.

            https://www.nia.nih.gov/health/what-dementia-symptoms-types-and-diagnosis

            “Dementia is the loss of cognitive functioning—thinking, remembering, and reasoning”

            Joe thinks, then he forgets about what he was thinking, then he says things that have nothing to do with whatever he was originally thinking about.

            And you want this guy having the ability to launch nuclear weapons?!

            Late stage TDS, combined with long term PTS, is a really bad condition.

    3. Not a conspiracy theory at all: DeJoy, a Trump donor, has banned all overtime for the USPS, and has reversed the order that all outgoing mail at branches has to be taken to the main postal sorting facility the day it was received. All of this is to delay the mail for 2 reasons: 1. to create the impression that the mails are slow, to set the stage for full privatization; and 2. to help Republicans fight off the growing movement for voting by mail, which they think helps Democrats. Representative Waters is correct.

      1. Natacha, you are parroting talking points with zero verifiable sources, again.

        Are you Seth’s sister?

  6. Trump knows he can’t move the election date, he’s just trolling to create doubt. He’s given up long ago. He’s trying to generate buzz for the media arm he’ll begin post election, and that he’ll fail miserable at. That’s even if he doesn’t have to deal with the tax and insurance fraud waiting for him in NY state.

    Trumpy bear didn’t learn the basic lesson from reality TV…, that being, the villain can always scheme and backstab their way to the championship round if they play their cards right but will always lose when there is no division left to play with. Everyone aligns against you at that point. We’re seeing it right now. McConnell is in his own hell. Senate candidates will start distancing in a big way when Trump’s poll numbers continue to tank. Trump may try to sue his way through the loss to buy time but, while JT will probably try to provide justification for it here on the blog, things will play out like they are with the Flynn trial…it’ll be a tennis match that the rest of the repubs will have to cut ties with for any shred of hope as to their surviving it.

        1. Yes, and my point is what you are lamely trying to avoid.

          Joe Biden has Dementia, and that is a fact.

          You live in a TDS driven fantasy world.

  7. Trump gets a lot of pleasure from triggering the left. Because their response is predictable, he does it often.

      1. It’s not psychotic when the others devote their lives to destroying you for no logical, legal reason.

        1. Care to name someone you think “devote[d] their lives to destroying [Trump] for no logical, legal reason” and provide some evidence that your allegation is true for that person(s)?
          My guess is that whoever you name won’t have done this lifelong and does have a logical, legal reason. No way to know unless you name someone and present evidence.

      2. That is a part of politics and a way to get the leftist MSM to cover things that for political reasons they are refusing to cover.

        It is the lunatic responses of the left and leftist bloggers on this blog that demonstrates what you call “psychopathy”.

      3. When the left expresses this “psychopathy” as named by CTHD that leads to all sorts of crazy inclinations even the revision of history.
        —–
        Obama Endorses Manipulating History For Political Ends

        Obama’s claim that the filibuster is racist is an alarming harbinger for how Democrats will attack and reject limits on power — and it shows the former president is willing to throw his lot in with the 1619 Project and other cultural arsonists. https://thefederalist.com/2020/08/03/obama-endorses-manipulating-history-for-political-ends/

    1. Dude, that’s all he does and what his bottom feeding fans like most about him. Aspirational speeches? Nah. Uplifting statements of renewed purpose? F..k no. Put downs and insults? Hell yes! You love it. Pretty thin gruel for the most powerful nation in teh world.

      1. “Pretty thin gruel for the most powerful nation in teh world.”

        But in your TDS twisted mind electing a 78 year old man with Dementia is not “thin gruel”?!

        This is from March:

        ‘Biden’s cognitive issues can no longer be ignored’

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aA-GoeFGyIc

        It’s now 5 months later, and his handlers have been hiding him in his basement in order to keep him from the public eye, and his Dementia has only worsened.

        The very fact that this is the best that the Democratic Party can produce speaks volumes about it’s impending demise.

        1. With terms like racist being thrown around so easily by the left should they not be finding another candidate other than Joe Biden who based on the left’s criteria is one of the biggest racists?

      2. There you have it, folks. Another sheep in the left who has no idea why so many people love Trump. I’m guessing that bythebook with fall right in line when all of his/her rights are stripped when/if the leftist Marxism takes over our country so many have fought and died for over the last couple of hundred years. Hope bythebook likes standing in line for a piece of bread…wait, we’ve been doing that since March…standing in line just to get inside a grocery store.

        1. Covid super spreader says what? That trumpy bear won a low turnout election with less votes than Romney lost with? Nothing to do but wait it out to wade through trump’s wussie lawsuits when he loses I suppose.

  8. Meanwhile, 2 hours ago, Trump tweeted:
    “In an illegal late night coup, Nevada’s clubhouse Governor made it impossible for Republicans to win the state. Post Office could never handle the Traffic of Mail-In Votes without preparation. Using Covid to steal the state. See you in Court!” (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1290250416278532096)

    UT Austin law prof. Steve Vladeck’s response:
    “In which the President of the United States refers to a state government passing new legislation to expand access to voting during a pandemic as an ‘illegal late night coup.’ Let’s just be clear: (1) it’s not illegal; and (2) it’s literally the *opposite* of a ‘coup.’”

    Trump is a deeply sick person. His continuing stream of tweeted lies is just part of the evidence of that. He is unfit for office.
    Meanwhile, where’s the health care plan that he promised to release yesterday?
    Why isn’t he doing a more effective job battling COVID-19?
    The first case in the U.S. and in South Korea were diagnosed on the same day. There have been over 150K deaths to date in the U.S.,and only 301 in South Korea.

    1. Worst President in History locked up and probably for another century – let’s hope. The damage this jerk and his enablers are doing to the country are in 100 year flood territory. None of us should wish for it, but if future presidents go over the low bar he has set, his supporters here will be among the 1st to scream bloody murder.

        1. Biden would be a decent candidate for POTUS if he wasnt suffering from the cognitive decline.

          It’s true he has the Ukraine corruption problem too this was a form of lawful corruption that many of the elites engage in, ie, family member jobs, and, almost impossible to make illegal., now the hunter episode was shamefully bad, but, if not illegal, then, I am not sure I can hold that against Joe. Of course he may have lied about it which in some venues might constitute perjury and that would be another matter.

          The main thing is, his mental faculties are not sufficient for the job. This is the main key point and it needs to be kept foremost.

          1. Mr Kurtz – if we discard the dementia, Biden is not a good candidate. He is carrying 50 years of his baggage, plus 8 years of Obama’s. He is lucky is wife is a lot younger than he is, if he can remember who she is.

            1. Biden doesn’t always remember who his wife is. Soon she will have to wear a sandwich board saying, “JOE! PAY ATTENTION! I’M YOUR WIFE. NOT YOUR SISTER!

              1. Young – Weeelll maybe there is something that went on with the sister, hence the confusion. 😉

            1. I said decent not good. Decent because based on the long record, he is not half as crazy as some of the other prominent Democrats. Decent is a relative term in this context.

              Moreover he would be inclined to under-deliver to the nutjob factions. One could surely bet that whatever radical things he may say will not be delivered.

              I would eat my hat if a guy like this actually ever delivered on the long wished for “black reparations”

              you guys may not be aware that many Democrats actually take the crazy and patently unfair and unconstitutional notion of black reparations seriously.

              https://www.newsweek.com/joe-biden-wants-see-studies-about-feasibility-slavery-reparations-1510096

              Joe says he is in favor of reparations but I take that as a complete lie. I can just imagine Bill Clinton telling a whopper like that too.

              Anyhow, the bigger danger is that they remove him and stick his black VP in the POTUS who makes a real stab at it. Why do I know he will pick a black VP candidate? oh, just speculating, but let me know in a month or two if I was wrong about that. Im betting on Kamala.

              1. Kurtz, Decent is a funny word when using it with democrats. Touchy feely Biden according to you a “would be a decent candidate for POTUS”. You should add a Not in-between ‘would’ and ‘be’. Your claim is that the other candidates you know about are all crazier than him. That might be true so maybe you meant to say all the democrat candidates you know about are lousy and that out of the lousy group he is the least lousy.

              2. Let me get this straight; you are suggesting a decent candidate for President is one that is less crazy than the radicals in his party and one that is promising policies that you know he’ll fail to deliver? Is that what your community believes? I’m beginning to think you are suffering cognitive decline.

          2. Biden would be a decent candidate for POTUS if he wasnt suffering from the cognitive decline.

            He wouldn’t be. Aside from his lack of scruple, he has no history as an executive and scant history in any trade other than electoral politics. There were decent candidates trying to get the attention of Democratic voters this year. The voters weren’t interested. Sanders and Buttigieg had some of the elements of a decent candidate.

            The decent candidates you’ve had who Democratic voters noticed were Wesley Clark, Bill Bradley (arguably), Bob Kerrey, Jerry Brown, Michael Dukakis, Walter Mondale, Gary Hart (arguably), Jimmy Carter, Henry Jackson (arguably), and Morris Udall (arguably). Brown is the only one who has in the years since 1990 been elected to public office. The Democratic Party used to be better than it is.

    2. “Trump is a deeply sick person. ”

      So says Needs to be Committed. Trump provided his views on mail in ballots which in a previous statement CTHD thought were identical to absentee ballots.

      Fraud pollutes the voting process and dilutes the votes of legal voters so we must protect against fraud of all types. The left tries its best to use fruad to its advantage.

  9. If I live in Nevada, which is waiting on the governor’s signature for mailing a ballot to every resident, I go to the district poll in the morning and cast my vote. By the afternoon the mail person picks up my mail in ballot with the hope it slips through the cracks in the counting system. Nothing to see here.

  10. I may be the only regular here who has actually participated in the tabulation of postal ballots. You don’t want to go there.

    1. Absurd, was it the counting that was difficult or just being there to count?

      Did you see massive fraud afoot? How come you didn’t mention it,

  11. Should Trump be made president for life? Should his family members be his successors in perpetuity? I’m only asking the question. Asking questions don’t mean anything. Just asking.

  12. He asked a question of whether it should be delayed, which Congress can legally do.

    Note, Stephen Calabresi fancies he should be impeached for posing the question. Oren Kerr already fancied he should have been impeached on some other excuse. The starboard law professoriate is no friend of sense and good order. One problem we have is that our cultural institutions are in the hands of people who are simply unworthy of the positions they hold.

    1. What you say DSS is so simple to understand. What is wrong with the leftist brain that blocks out rational thinking?

    1. Of course, they don’t want their man’s cognitive difficulties exposed. And they are betting the entire Democrat party from top to bottom will swallow the bitter pill of this farce out of hate for Trump. And the press corps weasels too, of course. Well, we’re gonna find out about that!

      1. Endlessly fascinating to see you guys dancing around with the socialist and cognitive difficulties memes when the guy you support is in Putin’s pocket and mumbles covfefe on twitter.

        1. Covfefe became a historic event, merely an erroneous spelling of coverage, not coffee, becoming a viral sensation which revealed the power of the President’s messaging

          not since EE Cummings has orthographic irregularity been so enchanting

    1. The crony in question ran a supply-chain management firm for over 30 years. He has other things to do with his life, but agreed to take the position.

  13. Seems to me that now, after Trump’s tweet, the Commie Dims & Rinos will have to do everything in their power to insure a fair & honest election on Nov 3, including stopping the fraud that is mail in voting & forcing Id’s for everyone at the polling stations.

      1. As an election judge I can tell you that there are many problems that have to be prepared for, before wide spread mailing of ballots and applications should go out. My particular precinct has a very high transiency rate. That people will not get the correct application will be a given. Many more protections need to be put in place before this should get the go ahead.

        1. In many elections across the nation every year from a few fraudulent votes, to a few hundred or even a few thousand fraudulent votes is all it takes to win an election.

          In the last few decades elections in Cali have be the poster child for voting fraud & now they’re attempting to push ahead with this mail in vote fraud scam. What could go wrong

          Trump needs his azz kicked for not having dealt with this voter/vote fraud issue 3 1/2 years ago.

          They banks are capable of counting your money so how is it that this country isn’t capable of honestly counting the votes still today???

          Ooh, I remember banks demand a “Picture Id” & sometimes a finger print!

          1. “ They banks are capable of counting your money so how is it that this country isn’t capable of honestly counting the votes still today???

            Ooh, I remember banks demand a “Picture Id” & sometimes a finger print!

            Umm… what does having a picture ID and sometimes a finger print have do do with the ability to count votes?

            1. G damn man go spend a few weeks/months searching Judicial Watch & Project Veritas’s files/video from the past 4 years up to today. A person would have to be blind but also stupid not to see the case after case of voter/vote fraud.

              Reporters Millie Weaver & Be Harris have also documented some of the voter/vote fraud.

              The prior, they’ve documented the proof of voter/vote frauds, so much there are people today cooling their azzes off in Prison for it.

              1. “PORTLAND, Maine (AP) — The now-disbanded voting integrity commission launched by the Trump administration uncovered no evidence to support claims of widespread voter fraud, according to an analysis of administration documents released Friday.

                In a letter to Vice President Mike Pence and Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach, who are both Republicans and led the commission, Maine Secretary of State Matthew Dunlap said the documents show there was a “pre-ordained outcome” and that drafts of a commission report included a section on evidence of voter fraud that was “glaringly empty.”…”

                https://apnews.com/f5f6a73b2af546ee97816bb35e82c18d/Report:-Trump-commission-did-not-find-widespread-voter-fraud

                1. “Maine Secretary of State Matthew Dunlap” who is a Democrat and stuck to the party line on the matter.

                  I would agree the commission was a failure. But the reason is not an absence of voter fraud, the reason is, the Democrats were successful in burying actionable evidence of voter fraud that would sufficiently outrage their kept women in the press corps.

              2. Oky1, project veritas? Isn’t that the outfit that got caught doctoring videos and making false claims in court?

                I’m sure their credibility is top notch. (eye roll).

                The voter fraud they tried to portray as ‘proof’ was one individual who got caught by the the safeguards that were in place. Meaning they didn’t get to influence any election because of it.

                1. “Oky1, project veritas? Isn’t that the outfit that got caught doctoring videos and making false claims in court?”

                  No, in fact I think they won in court 7 times straight.

                  Claims of doctored videos were proven false when they released all the video. The MSM doctors tapes all the time frequently to create a lie, but at other times they ‘doctor’ tapes like project veritas because no one wants to listen to 20 hours of tape. That is known as editing. So far the MSM has been proven to maliciously edit some tape. There is no proof or indication Project Veritas ever did that and Project Veritas has proven it on several occasions.

                  Project Veritas has been very accurate and their work product has even been used by the FBI and some people have been tried and convicted because of their work. They put a spotlight on the Teacher’s Union in NJ that was protecting teachers even when they knowingly have battered students and knowingly changed dates and times.

                  What you don’t like is that without ID or anything else video’s showed they were permitted to vote under false names. That disproves what you wish to believe. One of the names used was Eric Holder. They insisted he didn’t need ID, but to avoid any illegality after many statements encouraging him to vote he left to get his ID and never returned.

                  Anyone who has not listened to a Project Veritas video should do so for they prove things that liars don’t want anyone else to hear. Those people are really angry ever since Project Veritas convinced Congress to defund ACORN.

          2. The Trump Campaign advocates voting by mail:
            https://twitter.com/Out5p0ken/status/1289908690233901057 (image attached)

            IOKIYAR.

            There is more evidence of voter suppression than of voter fraud. No doubt you also say “In many elections across the nation every year a few [suppressed] votes, to a few hundred or even a few thousand [suppressed] votes is all it takes to win an election.”

            What you call a “mail in vote fraud scam” has been consistently used by our military. It’s not fraud, and it’s not a scam.

        1. Allan, so we can’t count votes by overseas citizens because it would facilitate fraud? Should the government pay for every citizen outside the country to fly home just to vote?

          1. Allan, so we can’t count votes by overseas citizens because it would facilitate fraud?

            Unless they’re U.S. Government employees posted abroad (or spouses of same living in country with them), they shouldn’t be voting at all.

            1. Are you saying American citizens that have to be abroad at the time of the election should not be permitted to vote by absentee ballot? If so I would like to hear your reasoning and perhaps a bit of history about the absentee ballot.

              1. The postal ballot should be used in circumstances where people have an abiding problem and apply for and receive a standing order for such a ballot to be used in lieu of voting in person. There should be no spot orders for absentee ballots.

                1. Voting should be limited to citizens who have reached the age of 18, have a fixed address where they are palpably present; and who are not incarcerated, on probation, on parole, or carrying other criminal penalties not yet discharged.

                2. However, some people’s addresses, while fixed are not properly used as voting addresses. These are.

                a. Locations outside the United States and its abiding possessions.

                b. Institutional housing: prisons, miscellaneous penal institutions, asylums, group homes, nursing homes, assisted living centers, barracks on garrisons, and collegiate housing (dormitories, apartment buildings, theme houses, guest houses on or off campus).

                These people can be given a franchise to set up a notional address with relatives and vote as if they were palpably present there. Of course, people need to meet all of the criteria listed in point 1. The franchise under condition 2a would be granted U.S. Government employees and any spouse residing with them. That under condition 2b would be granted to anyone otherwise eligible living in said circumstances.

                3. Some people, given the properties of their employment or their daily life, are properly granted a franchise to set up such a notional address and also vote as if they lived there, even though their palpable address could be used as a voting address. These are:

                a. U.S. servicemen and their spouses
                b. Elderly and disabled people who meet the state’s definition of ‘shut in’.
                c. People under the age of 25 enrolled in baccalaureate granting schools
                d. People in the western United States, Alaska, the Iron Range, and northern New England who live in census block groups with a population density below a certain thresh-hold (say, 20 persons per sq. mile).

                Roughly 5-6% of the population of the eastern United States and 10-12% of the western United States would vote by post.

                4. Postal ballots would return in a sealed envelope placed in another envelope with security features, among them a place for a signature and a thumbprint. These would in turn be placed in a mailer addressed to the offices of the board of elections where the ballots were to be tabulated.

                5. Each day, the board of elections would convene in the presence of a panel of local judges selected at random and any counsel for political parties or petition candidates who elected to attend. The days’ arrivals would be examined. If there were facial problems with the security envelope, the returned ballot would be properly excluded. Any counsel present could object to the judges, who could sustain or over-rule the board’s decision. The rejected ballots would be placed in one lock box, the accepted in another.

                6. Positing a world in which in person voting is held from 6-10 pm on Friday evening and 7 am to 6 pm on Saturday, there would come a point (say, at 2 pm) when the lockboxes containing the accepted ballots would be transported to a gymnasium and unlocked under judicial supervision. They’d be emptied and the ballots subject to a tree-sort, eventually to be distributed to ordinary tables each with a designated set of precincts and a small pigeon-holed lockbox to be used if tabulation extends over multiple days. The large lockboxes would be returned to the board of elections and used as a repository for straggler ballots arriving. Once the tabulations are complete and certified, the contents of the lockboxes at the board of elections would be emptied out and the ballots therein mailed back to sender unopened with a note of regret indicating (1) the security envelope was defective or (2) the ballot arrived too late to be validly tabulated. There would be no ‘newly discovered’ ballots. It’s there in the gymnasium on voting day (and stored in the pigeon holed lockboxes on each tabulating table) or it’s not counted. The count of postal ballots might lag the machine count, but not by much.

                I have three reasons for this.

                (1) ideally, we should make ordinal balloting (tabulated according to the Condorcet method or the Hare system). You need multiple rounds of tabulation, you cannot be waiting for weeks for postal ballots to arrive. You also can’t be pissing time away pondering a small population of affidavit ballots.

                (2) You’ve placed yourself outside the United States, you’ve placed yourself outside civic life in this country. I make an exception for federal employees and their families because in the exercise of their vocation they are very much a part of civic life and because they usually aren’t one place abroad for more than a couple of years. (NB, since 1946, between 68% and 88% of all billets have been domestic billets).

                (3) You happen to be out of town that day, sorry. The trade-off just doesn’t work in your favor. Postal ballots should always be used sparingly.

                (4) Many small communities have gobs of institutional housing occupied by people with just the faintest investment in local politics. It’s better to have them vote where their families live.

                (5) There’s a contextually small population of vagrants in this country without a fixed address. They’re not properly deemed a part of civic life either.

                1. Addendum: shut-ins would vote from their palpable address, not from a notional address. “Billets’ refers to military and naval postings. We should make ordinal balloting the norm. Not noted: the standing order would have to be renewed once every four years. Reminder notices could be sent.

                  1. The American Founders determined to rationally and coherently control the voting process and began their voting restrictions in the Naturalization Acts of 1790, 1795, 1798 and 1802, requiring citizens to be “…free white person(s)..,” advancing to the general, 1788 States’ vote restriction criteria: Male, European, 21, 50 lbs. Sterling/50 acres.

                    The Founders established a restricted-vote republic.

                    The import of the vote was retained.

                    The presence and identity of the voter was definitively established and certified.

                    Dilution of the vote was avoided.

                    Corruption of the vote was thwarted.

                    Control over the voting process was retained.

                    Turnout was 11.6%, by design, in the initial election of America and its Founders, the 1788 election of George Washington to the Presidency.

                    Control of the vote will be irrevocably “lost in the U.S. Mail.”

                    Never did the American Founders intend for a one man, one vote democracy, which always results in a dictatorship.
                    _______________________________________________

                    “A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the people discover they can vote themselves largess out of the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that democracy always collapses over a loose fiscal policy–to be followed by a dictatorship.”

                    – Alexander Fraser Tytler

                2. DSS, your points are well prepared for defense from argument and your explanation moreso. How you have written both parts of your response ends up as a complete package so that debate on singular points are disuaded because they interrupt what I see you are attempting to do which is to provide an accurate, rapid and fair tally of votes where partisan intervention and potential fraud would for the most part be excluded.

                  I have to think more about this but on first glance I think the tradeoffs are worth it.

                  1. He made a thorough and well informed survey of the subject. Well done, Absurd and thank you

                    It’s a high quality post, unfortunately, pearls before swine, at least in some cases.
                    Nonetheless, it’s gratifying to learn something specific here.

                3. What you propose unconstitutionally excludes people with a constitutional right to vote.

                  I recognize that you don’t care. Thankfully, it isn’t up to you.

                  1. I recognize that you don’t care.

                    If you were actually honest, you would recognize DSS took the time to propose (in detail) recommended changes to our mail in ballot process. I recognize it was you that didn’t care to identify what elements of these recommendations were unconstitutional and why. You should be committed.

                    1. Gosh, you could have just asked “what’s unconstitutional?”

                      But instead, you complain that I didn’t do it in advance (despite the fact that you frequently don’t provide an explanation in advance, and sometimes not even after you’re asked) and insult me with the childish “You should be committed.” You chose such a productive alternative. /s

                      That he took the time to do it doesn’t imply that what he wrote is constitutional.
                      As a simple example, it would be unconstitutional to limit in person voting to hours that conflict with some people’s religious beliefs (e.g., it is religiously forbidden for orthodox Jews to write on the Sabbath, which runs from sundown on Friday to sundown on Saturday). As another simple example, it would be unconstitutional to exclude the homeless from the franchise simply because they lack “a fixed address where they are palpably present.” And there are plenty of other problems, such as his assumption that those “enrolled in baccalaureate granting schools” aren’t any older than 25, …

                  2. Gainesville & son promote the next sorosphere talking points: the idea that maintaining voter registration rolls, promoting in-person voting, and banal ballot security measures are ‘unconstitutional’.

                    1. see when “democracy” was cancelled by the Civil Rights faction in the mid sixties, the key thing was overturning the right of the voters to define access to the franchise.

                      that was a lynchpin. hence the Voting Rights act is considered the crown jewel.

                      because without this federal law as an entryway into every little ballot operation across the nation in thousands of elections, the old rule was, feds mind your own business. and voting was not their business

                      overnight, it all become a potential federal question, if lawyers wanted to frame it that way in court.

                      in many ways, the civil war of the 19th century, was finished a century later in the 20th. since then we are on a daily trek towards a Napoleonic centralized state in the drag outfit of a federal republic.

                      unless Democrats say otherwise of course! in which case they claim their local perquisites with vigor

                      Republicans: perpetual loser party until we finally ‘Get it.”

                    2. Kurtz, your opposition to black people having a secured right to vote is duly noted.

                      It really is a wonder why more blacks don’t vote Republican.

                    3. note that i am opposed to them having special group privileges. not a vote. but, a vote under special federal supervision, under bogus theories

                      that’s what they have now. they get a special veto on stuff that might affect them, whatever a clever theorist may imagine.

                      this is in itself, a violation of the fourteenth and fifteenth amendments. which protect one man one vote, and do not confer on them special privileges as a group.

                      but that’s ok. you guys want it to be all about groups now. well, if we were smart we would have known, it always was about groups, and the American emphasis on the individual is something of an illusion.

                    4. TIA:

                      I’m a woman and so am not anyone’s son.

                      Like OLLY, you could have asked “what’s unconstitutional?” and avoided pretending to read my mind. Your ability to anticipate my actual views is as faulty as your ability to discern my actual sex.

                    5. TIA,

                      “Needs To Be Committed” is also a doctor – Affirmative Action Privilege is her best friend.

                      She has diagnosed many patients she has never examined, on this very site.

                      She does “affordable care” medicine like Dr. Obongo – witch doctor is he, again?

                  3. actually no those are facially neutral.

                    they have been shot down before however, because why? i mean we had similar things as voter restrictions for well over a century before anybody woke up and decided to call them unconstitutional. So what happened? They weren’t unconstitutional until the “civil rights lawyers” turned the notion of equality into inequality– in the form of a broad set of schemes to upgrade the civil rights of black people into “equal to or greater than” everyone else

                    see what i suggest is called “facially neutral” on race and therefore it actually DOES NOT violate the fourteenth amendment

                    and yet due to the takeover of federal courts by those wanting to supersize the black vote, such things are called instead, “suspect”

                    and they would shoot them down as surreptitious discrimination against blacks.

                    that of course could be used to justify any sort of favoritism towards blacks and it often is so used

                    well folks the great thing about the white man becoming a minority is that the the other non-black minorities are not going to be very happy about all the special privileges that have been heaped on blacks as a group and eventually they will get a badly needed correction

                    in theory the US is viable, when whites become a minority, as they already are in the cities, if facially neutral laws could again become the law of the land, and the “civil rights specialists” did not have an ever ready veto waiting for them from an article III judge when they see their familiar faces

                    but for that to happen, Asian Americans are going to have to wake up and see how they get totally skrwed over in the Democrat party, always being expected to take a back seat to the blacks and feminist factions, and act accordingly.

                    well, just wait, it won’t take long. it doesnt happen in generation one or two but by generation 3, they often get it.

                  4. This is the type of response one gets from a sniveling twit. His repeat performance below isn’t that much better. He offers no solutions and doesn’t recognize that there is no such thing as a perfect system. He offers nothing in return.

    1. Oky1, what fraud? Show us how this is significant enough to affect the election.

      Not everyone will be choosing mail in ballots. The fraud trump mentions is IF 100%. of all voting is done by mail. He states “universal mail in voting”. No the whole country isn’t going to vote by mail. It’s going to be a choice on top of in person voting. There’s a big difference here.

        1. Oky1, what happened in NY is not fraud. Far from it. It’s about getting far more mail in ballots than they expected and the confusion in which ballots made a deadline and which did not. That’s not fraud. Thats a new issue that is reflected in the unique situation of Covid precautions, temporary suspension of certain rules etc. Just because what is happening in New York is an unforeseen set of problems doesn’t mean it will happen somewhere else. Other states do mail in ballots all the time and have more experience in handling excess ballots.

          Other states can learn and avoid what New York experienced.

          You should learn the difference between actual fraud and system problems.

          1. 3,190 mail-in ballots were disqualified in Paterson NJ. Paterson is not that big. You are talking about almost 20% of the votes were disqualified. Bags of votes were found. Lots of votes with identical handwriting were sent in. The FBI is now investigating.

            No thinking person can today say there is no problem with mail in voting.

            1. Allan, “ 3,190 mail-in ballots were disqualified in Paterson NJ. Paterson is not that big. You are talking about almost 20% of the votes were disqualified.“

              What you’re seeing is not fraud. It’s people being confused about what they are supposed to do with this new form of voting. This is the first time the entire city of Patterson voted by mail. A city that hasn’t done something like that before is bound to experience problems. That is not indicative of fraud.

              For example a politician in Kansas was charged with voter fraud. A felony in Kansas thanks to former Secretary of State Kris Kobach. He claims it was a mistake, that he was confused over the rules. But certainly it was fraud according Kobach’s own interpretation. The republican swears it was an innocent mistake. So if republicans are able to let that slide. Why not mistakes in Patterson? Btw. All incumbents were re-elected. What did the alleged “fraud” change?

              1. if they can’ t read simple instructions and follow them, then toss their ballots in the garbage.

                Im for literacy tests and user fees. one problem is people voting for ever increasing amounts of free stuff and being uneducated enough to believe that makes a sustainable society

              2. ” It’s people being confused about what they are supposed to do with this new form of voting.”

                Like Pb responses you make things up. Where did anyone say that this was all caused by people being confused.

                I’ll finish the portion of my statement you left out: ” Bags of votes were found. Lots of votes with identical handwriting were sent in. The FBI is now investigating.” You don’t care about the truth.

                In any event if almost 20% of the votes were invalidated due to confusion that is a good reason to prevent mail in voting.

  14. I am clairvoyant. Trump’s wife has convinced him to get out of the White House and retire for good to Mar A Lago. He will announce his resignation and the take over by Pence at the convention.
    Pense will choose Kasich as his VP running mate.
    Pense is only 62. The election will focus on Sleepy Joe’s age.
    Pense and Kasich will win.

  15. What an asinine comment, Paul.

    The Congressional statute establishing Election Day as “the Tuesday next after the first Monday in the month of November” was enacted in 1845 (see https://www.loc.gov/law/help/statutes-at-large/28th-congress.php — Session 2, Chapter 1). It can be changed if Congress wants; there’s no indication that Congress wants to change it.

    Trump’s goal is to decrease confidence in the election and to increase interference. Remember: “Trump thanks Blackburn for blocking requirement to notify FBI when foreign nations offer election aid” – https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/local/2019/06/14/sen-marsha-blackburn-blocks-bill-requiring-campaigns-notify-fbi/1455094001/

    1. Committ – I always thought Reps needed to be on the floor of the House to vote, but, hey, that changed. One voted from his boat. They have time to change it. However, now they are locked in.

    2. Trump’s goal – just as in 2016 is to get free media attention – and the left is giving it to him.

      As to confidence in the election – there is already good reason to distrust the election results – a party that would engage in the pre-and post 2016 garbage that occured can not be trusted. This will get worse if the majority of the election is by mail. It will be even worse if the results take weeks.

      Presumably you are old enough to remember how tense the uncertainty of the 2000 election was. Now imaging that on steriods.

      We had a gigantic mess the past 4 years because democrats did not accept the results of a close but clearly decided election.

      What do you think will happen in 2020 if Trump wins narrowly ?
      And what will happen if Biden wins narrowly and Republicans behave like democrats have over the past 4 years ?

      It is absolutely critical that the results of the 2020 election are clear and unequivocal and accepted by all.

      And the left is currently determined to assure that is NOT the case.

      I will note that if the 2020 election is not clearly decided on election night – there WILL be numerous allegations of election fraud by BOTH parties, and it is near certain that some of those will be true. Even with good processes in place the billions of dollars that are at stake make the incentives for fraud enormous. I doubt that Trump or Biden or any of those near the top of their campaigns will engage in fraud – though I do not know for sure – Hillary was behind the Steele Dossier – that was not rogue democrats succeeding in corruption the DOJ/FBI/….

      But you can be absolutely certain there will be plenty of examples of real fraud by both parties if anyone wishes to dig deep enough – not the stupid claims the left makes, but real fraud.

      And you can guarantee those will be 10 times worse if we go to vote by mail.
      And beyond the real fraud we clearly have one political party that is capable of beleiving that foriegn influence that had no meaningful way of effecting the election did. How do you think they will respond when vote by mail makes allegations of foriegn interference 100 times more credible.

      Flooding the US with bogus ballots could trivially disrupt the election.
      But the lesson of 2016 is The FEAR that the US has been flooded with bogus ballots is just as effective as actually doing it.

      And outside of actual fraud we have just the enormous possibility of error.

      A PA newspaper did a test of mailin ballots and the post office lost 3% of ballots. That level of error is not acceptable, and will result in a disaster.

      1. Hard to finish a post that begins with a whopper. Democrats of course did accept the EC giving the office to the loser of the vote for the 2nd time in 16 years – an event which had only occurred twice prior in our near 250 years, and one which if suffered by these same Republicans we would never hear the end of. Unlike the BS JT has been spewing, Democrats did not run on impeachment in 2018 and as late as the early summer of 209, Pelosi kept a tight lid on any suggestions for one. The mess is clearly the result of our President being a completely unserious and lying scumbag interested in only his own ego gratification and willing to say literally anything for perceived short term gain. Those blind to this should have their Human Card taken away and watched carefully – they are a danger to themselves and others.

        1. Yes she was smart and then lost control. And our nation has suffered greatly because of it. Her leadership of the party failed right at that point.

          And she’s failing again the past week. Lying about Republicans not advancing a proposal on unemployment bonuses, when the offered to extend them a short time during negotiations and also offered $200 bonus a week. She declined both offers and then lied to the press and said nothing was offered. Liar! Here’s the kind of lies that matter, baldfaced ones to deceive the public on a material pending matter of significance, not trifling fibs on Tweeter. She’s the big liar., She said “not factual” with complete chutzpah!

          1. Dude, she didn’t lose control, Trump did with the Ukraine extortion and she was fully on board at that point.

            1. She lost control of the Squad and the radicals which respond to their histrionics. It just so happens this was perfectly clear at the time, but your selective memory forgets.

            2. {Pelosi, She lost control

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PtvIr2oiaE

              Confusion in her eyes that says it all.
              She’s lost control.
              And she’s clinging to the nearest passer by,
              She’s lost control.
              And she gave away the secrets of her past,
              And said I’ve lost control again,
              And a voice that told her when and where to act,
              She said I’ve lost control again.
              And she turned around and took me by the hand and said,
              I’ve lost control again.
              And how I’ll never know just why or understand,
              She said I’ve lost control again.
              And she screamed out kicking on her side and said,
              I’ve lost control again.
              And seized up on the floor, I thought she’d die.
              She said I’ve lost control.

  16. “ Biden was not right — any more than Trump is today. It is no surprise — and no sign of a conspiracy — that Trump might suggest something outrageous, such as a delayed election, on Twitter.“

    Turley must be a bit confused. Biden was indeed right. He predicted trump would mention delaying the election. Everyone agrees trump can’t do that. But the point Turley ignores is that Biden was right. Once trump confirmed it thru his tweet. He DID suggest that. Even if it was in the form of a question. In fact he doubled down on the suggestion, his own staff DEFENDED the notion. Turley is in self denial over the fact that trump has no filter and oftentimes he means what comes out of his mouth. It’s exactly what endeared him to his most fervent supporters.

    Turley says it was a very stupid tweet and he’s right, but he neglects the fact that it is still a significant revelation of what trump may claim later on. Remember he made claims the election was rigged the first time. Until he was elected. Was it still rigged after he won?

    There’s plenty of reason to be concerned. This is an unstable man looking at his failing prospects every day.

    1. It is disconcerting that you keep running interference for Trump. I guess it’s not surprising as your core audience seems to swing right. As to the “question”, it was more than that. He continued the discussion for a few days. He wants to test the waters; distract from his other failure and continue his campaign to undermine the legitimacy of an election he thinks he may lose.

    2. “This is an unstable man looking at his failing prospects every day.” You are talking about Biden, right?

  17. All Donald Trump did was put the left on the record for a Nov 3 election date. They cannot back away from it now.

      1. 5D chess? LOL!!! The man can’t put together a coherent sentence if his life depended on it. The lengths some people go to defend a massive idiot is amazing.

        1. “a massive idiot”

          Yep.

          “There are ‘strong whispers in Washington DC’ of Joe Biden’s cognitive decline”

          1. Fine by me to have both Biden and Trump take the same cognitive tests and see who fares better.

            Trump brags about passing a cognitive test for dementia and said that some of the questions were hard. None of the questions on that test are hard. Passing is nothing to brag about: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-doctor-behind-a-cognitive-test-trump-took-says-its-supposed-to-be-easy-for-people-with-no-cognitive-impairment-2020-07-20

            1. what people understand about psychometric testing, fits in a thimble. next to that thimble, is another one, filled with all the extra information the weak press has given us to help.

            2. Committ – having taken that test a couple of times, I will tell you the last couple are “hard’ for people our age. This is because we are not using our brains the way we used to when we were working 7 days a week. Just as we know if we put a person in isolation, their IQ score will drop as much as 20 points. So, Biden is in the basement, in isolation while Trump is active as hell.

          2. Cognitive decline? Wasn’t trump who tweeted….”cofvefve”. Slurred his words during a national televised speech. Rants on incoherently from one topic to the next? That exemplifies cognitive prowess? The man needs to grasp a bottle of water with TWO hands. Delicately I might add.

            1. Trump’s orthographic creativity captured the attention of a nation in one single word

              He is a mighty genius

              Hail Trump

            2. Compare this crazyness https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VMKF3lRoqw to Trump who is able to speak nearly impromptu in front of huge audiences for an hour and a half. You got to be a nutcase to think your statements are comparable to the ones on this video. Then again from the way you create your stories you might be cognitively as bad as Biden.

              1. Allan, the length of an incoherent rant doesn’t make it more coherent. Trump loves to pretend he’s saying something with substance. Problem is he can’t string about sentences together to approach anything resembling substance.

                It’s not my stories that are the issue. I’m not the one who ends up rambling in circles like the president.

                1. “Allan, the length of”

                  You are deaf, dumb and blind.

                  Trump is a success. You are a failure. Do you need to know any more?

        1. Only an illegal party full of former citizen who rejected US Citizen status by giving allegiance to a foreign ideology and are illegally involved in our Constitutional Republic system and probably all social promotion results would fall for something like this. The answer is of course set forth in the Constitution and cannot be changed without an amendment. But then considering their leadership is in the same descriptive category no wonder they and the media fell for it.

          1. Second reason also found in the Constitution is the voting procedure is up to each of the 50 states as long as they follow for the one federal election constitutional rules. Again 9th, 10th amendments apply for anything else or a full amendment. Only the Stupid Party would swallow the bait along with their equally culpable media.

      2. This isn’t even 1D checkers any longer. This is Lucy teeing up the football once again and the Charlie Brown democrats taking the bait. The President should tweet, upon further review, vote by mail looks to be a wonderful idea. Same with not requiring ID.

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