CNN Analysts Unleash Personal Attacks On RNC Speakers In Twitter Storm

This-is-cnn-We have previously discussed the case of former Covington Catholic High School student Nick Sandmann who was repeatedly and falsely called a racist in an encounter with a Native American activist in front of the Lincoln Memorial. Various media organizations have apologized or settled cases with Sandmann for their unfair coverage, including CNN. However, when Sandmann spoke at the Republic National Convention, CNN’s political analyst Joe Lockhart again attacked him personally after he criticized how the media got the story wrong.  CNN’s Jeff Yang also attacked the teenager and even suggested that his speech proved that he was not innocent. Fellow CNN analyst Asha Rangappa attacked former United Nations Ambassador Nikki Haley as yielding to a racist America for not using what Rangappa suggested was her real name as opposed to “Nikki.” It turns out that Nikki is her lawful middle name and the Hill’s Saagar Enjeti noted it is “a Punjabi name.” That however is an appeal to reason not rage which seems to have little place in our national discourse or media coverage.

The personal attacks on speakers were beyond the pale, but hardly unprecedented.  What happened to Sandmann was a disgrace for the media and he had every right to speak publicly about his treatment by the media.

Sandmann is a pro-life kid who wanted to demonstrate against abortion.  He sought to play a meaningful role in his political system, which is what we all have encouraged.  Indeed, CNN has aired many such calls for young people to have their voices heard. He was in Washington as part of the annual “March for Life.” This is one of those voices.  Sandmann spoke about his horrific experience in being labeled the aggressor in the confrontation when all he did was stand there as an activist pounded a drum in his face. Sandmann said this morning in an interview that he only learned at 3 am in the morning on the bus home that he was being labeled a racist who attacked or harassed this activist.

In addition to Lockhart, CNN opinion writer Jeff Yang said that the speech confirmed to him that he was guilty all along.

“Hey @N1ckSandmann, I watched your speech tonight at the #RNCConvention2020 with an open mind, thinking I might hear something that would convince me of your position that you were an innocent victim of a cruel media. I was disappointed, but not surprised, to hear otherwise.”

So Yang now believes Sandmann was the aggressor or the one who was at fault?  Yang even criticized Sandmann for not extending a “branch of peace” to Nathan Phillip, the Native American elder in the confrontation. Sandmann did nothing wrong in front of Lincoln Memorial. He just stood there as Phillip pounded a drum in his face.  Yet, Yang now believes that the media was not wrong or Sandmann innocent.

Yang previously personally attacked Pete Buttigieg for calling for a “vision shaped by the American Heartland rather than the ineffective Washington Politics.” Yang again viewed Buttigieg’s political statement as a license for personal insults: “Okay, gloves off: This is the bullshittiest quote of many bullshitty quotes from this man, whose vision was shaped by Harvard, Oxford, McKinsey & Company and a keenly honed sense of ambition. Dude, your dad was a lit professor and you went to a private prep school. Quit fronting.”  Nothing on the content of Buttigieg’s point. Just a personal attack from the CNN commentator.

The Sandmann controversy arose because of the very bias that Yang reaffirmed this week.  For many, the mere fact that he was wearing a MAGA hat was enough to declare him a racist.  An example that we previously discussed is the interview of “Above the Law” writer Joe Patrice with Elie Mystal. In the interview, Mystal, the Executive Editor of “Above the Law”, attacked this 16 year old boy as a racist.  Patrice agreed with Mystal’s objections to Sandmann wearing his “racist [MAGA] hat.” They also objected to Sandmann doing interviews trying to defend himself with Mystal deriding how this “17-year-old kid makes the George Zimmerman defense for why he was allowed to deny access to a person of color.” It was entirely false that Sandmann was denying “access to a person of color.”  Yet, the interview is an example of the criticism (which continued with Lockhart) of Sandmann speaking publicly about his treatment. Mystal and Patrice compared this high school student to a man who was accused of murdering an unarmed African American kid and continued to slam him even after the true facts were disclosed.

After his remarks at the RNC (which is not an easy thing for most teenagers to do), Lockhart declared on Twitter “I’m watching tonight because it’s important. But i [sic] don’t have to watch this snot nose entitled kid from Kentucky.”

Why is this teenager “entitled”?  Because he is discussing his role in a national controversy or his abuse by the media, including CNN? CNN settled with Sandmann. When did that become “entitled”? The message from these media personalities seems to be that Sandman is expected to simply stay silent and such interviews make him either a George Zimmerman wannabe or a textbook case of entitlement. Of course, media figures like Lockhart can continue to slam Sandmann, but he is . . .  well . . . entitled to do so.

Nikki Haley gave one of the most polished speeches at the RNC.  There is clearly much in the speech that many do not accept about racism in America. However, Haley lashed out that it is

“now fashionable to say that America is racist. That is a lie. America is not a racist country. This is personal for me. I am the proud daughter of Indian immigrants. They came to America and settled in a small Southern town. My father wore a turban. My mother wore a sari. I was a Brown girl in a Black and White world. We faced discrimination and hardship. But my parents never gave in to grievance and hate. My mom built a successful business. My dad taught 30 years at a historically black college. And the people of South Carolina chose me as their first minority and first female governor. America is a story that’s a work in progress. Now is the time to build on that progress, and make America even freer, fairer, and better for everyone.”

That speech led to an immediate personal attack from Rangappa that Haley bowed to racism by dropping her real name: “Right. Is that why you went from going by Nimrata to ‘Nikki’?” Rangappa asked.

In addition, South Asians for Biden attacked Haley and  tweeted, “If America isn’t racist, why did Nimarata Haley feel compelled to change her name to ‘Nikki’? Maybe just the Republican Party is?” The group added “#PhonyNikki.” (The tweet was later withdrawn with an apology over its “tone”).

The problem is that Haley birth name is Nimrata Nikki Randhawa. She is not the first politician to use her middle name like Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson, who goes by Boris. Then there is Willard Mitt Romney.  Was Romney denying his roots by going with Mitt? Yet when a minority member uses her middle name, it is somehow evidence that she is a racist tool.

What is telling is that, rather than address the underlying argument on systemic racism in our society, analysts like Rangappa prefer to attack Haley personally and suggest that she is some type of shill for racism. Why? Rangappa teaches at Yale and in academia such ad hominem attacks are viewed as the very antithesis of reasoned debate.  Likewise, in journalism, such attacks were once viewed as anathema, particularly when they are based on false assumptions.

There is much in these conventions to debate. In truth, I have never liked political conventions and view them all as virtually contentless. Nevertheless, there have been parts of the RNC that I have criticized, including the appearance last night of Secretary of State Mike Pompeo in a departure from past traditions of keeping such cabinet members out of political convention roles.  Once again, such important lines of separation were obliterated by the Trump Administration, including the possible violation of the Hatch Act.  The incorporation the naturalization ceremony also raises concerns over the use of such governmental functions for political purposes. I also found reformed former felon John Ponder’s remarks to be powerful, but I agree with critics that the incorporation of a pardon signing into the events at a political convention to be wrong. I have also previously criticized the use of the White House for the political convention, including for the First Lady’s speech (which I also thought was a good speech).

Those are issue worthy of debate and people of good faith can disagree on the merits. That is a lot more productive than attacking an 18-year-old kid because he had the audacity to criticize the media and support President Trump.  There is, of course, a troubling entitlement evident in these stories. It is the entitlement enjoyed by media figures who feel total license to personally attack anyone who challenges their narrative or supports Trump. It is not just permitted but popular. This is why Merriam-Webster defines “entitlement” as the “belief that one is deserving of or entitled to certain privileges.”




311 thoughts on “CNN Analysts Unleash Personal Attacks On RNC Speakers In Twitter Storm”

  1. CNN Analysts Unleash Personal Attacks On RNC Speakers In Twitter Storm

    Joe Lockhart, Jeff Yang and Asha Rangappa are not Analysts – they are petty ideologues debasing themselves in CNN’s three ring media circus.

  2. Look at this BLM riot squad, in this intance a bunch of pathetic white bullies instead of the black ones., intimidating a white person in public. this is reprehensible criminal activity.

    BLM is a racketeer influenced criminal organization involved in mass voter intimidation and should be taken down immediately by the authorities. Enough is enough!

    If government will not act to protect law and order, citizens will

    Will Democrats denounce this illegal harassment and intiimdation and disavow BLM? If you do not then you Democrats are fully on board with flagrant criminal activity and voter intimidation.

  3. How much did CNN settle the Sandmann litigation for?

    C’mon, maaaannn!!!

    One of you “Esquires” here knows what defamation is worth.

  4. The personal attacks on speakers were beyond the pale, but hardly unprecedented.

    President Trump and the GOP have left them with nothing to attack other than that. There is no policy opening for moderates in the Democratic party to contest. If there were, they’d be pumping that 24/7. Instead, the moderates have ceded their party to their socialist wing and have hitched their futures to a Biden/Harris ticket and an out-of-control mob. If the MSM weren’t operating as the media arm of the Democratic party, not only would Biden/Harris lose in a landslide, the Democratic party would see historic losses down ticket.

    1. Just for starters.


      1. Virus response
      2. Virus response
      3. Return to decency
      4. Retake leadership position in the world and with allies
      5. Healthcare
      6. Gun control
      7. Comprehensive Immigration
      8. Taxes/minimum wage/inequality

      1. Yeah, good luck with that.
        1 and 2: Their record on this won’t sell.
        3. That’s a joke, right?
        4. If you believe Americans want to return to policies that put foreign countries first, then you may have a winner.
        5. LOL! See 1 and 2.
        6. Defund the police; open borders and the enabling of mob violence. The McCloskey’s and gun sales have proven that won’t fly.
        7. Congress could make that happen right now. I don’t recall Biden pushing for that over the last 47 years. We’ve seen what Harris has done to California.
        8. Only socialists in this country would vote for that. Well them and ignorant voters that simply opt for the letter D on the ballot.


          No Democratic leader, relevant today, has ever called for ‘Open Borders’ in any literally sense. Yet Republicans aggressively push this lie again and again.

          1. No Democratic leader, relevant today, has ever called for ‘Open Borders’ in any literally sense.

            You’re precious Paint Chips, thanks for being you. I bolded the qualifiers you needed to attempt to make your headline true.

            Try again.

            1. Yeah, Olly, you’re lying! No Democratic leader is calling for open borders in any literal sense.

              What you’re trying to do is make the deceptive backdoor argument that Sanctuary Cities are the equivalent of ‘open borders’. They are two different things. No leader in California wants to give criminals the freedom to come & go from Mexico with no border crossing points. Crime in San Diego would skyrocket if such mobility was possible. Even the most liberal Democrats totally understand that.

              Therefore, Olly, you’re promoting a lie!

              1. No Democratic leader is calling for open borders in any literal sense.

                I realize you have considerable difficulty with complex math, like 1+1+1=3; but the Democrats rely on that. This is why they are not going to tell you we will eliminate our national borders. What they will do is enact policies (1+1+1) that literally produce an outcome (=3) that would effectively be the same consequences of an open border.

                1. Biden has calles for a moratorium on deportations for at least a hundred days and has called for the end of immigration detention. The end of immigration detention would be essentially open borders as we would release each and every alien encountered/apprehended on the border.

                  1. Add in the rights and benefits the Democrats propose giving to those in this country illegally and you have a recipe for disaster.

          2. I think that if they say, DEFUND ICE, or ABOLISH ICE, then they have done exactly that. They have called for open borders. Because with nobody to patrol them, they are open.

            So those like AOC who have said Abolish ICE, are for open borders. I can’t imagine Joe Biden is that crazy, however., so I will not put than on him. Old, forgetful, not crazy

            Anonymous, do you admit or deny this? If you deny it, then say how one could mouth “abolish ICE” and yet not be calling for open borders, somehow. I want to hear that pretzel logic if you wish to make a stab at it.

              1. ICE ERO was created in 2003 with the creation of DHS (as ICE DRO). The legacy agency was INS ADR (Apprehension Detention and Removals) and was abolished in 2003. INS and Customs criminal investigators were combined into ICE HSI (originally called ICE OI). The two components of ICE are HSI and ERO.

                Border Patrol also fell under the INS umbrella and was placed under the newly created CBP. INS immigration inspectors and Customs Inspectors were combined and became CBPOs (Customs and Border Protection Officers) under CBP OFO (Office of Field Operations). The two components of CBP are OFO and Border Patrol.

                The benefit side of INS became USCIS (US Citizenship and Immigration Service).

            1. ICE ERO is the interior Immigration enforcement arm of the US government. ICE ERO also is responsible for all aliens detained during/after removal proceedings as well as overseeing all aliens released pending removal proceedings.

              The abolishment or ICE (without creating a replacement agency) would essentially stop ALL immigration enforcement. At that point Border Patrol could apprehend every illegal alien that crosses the border but would have nobody to turn the detainee over to (for longer term detention) plus nobody to track the case while in proceedings or enforce any removal order (many years down the road). It would destroy immigration enforcement but we all know that is their end goal.

        2. “Their record on this won’t sell”

          Philip Bump: “It was six months ago today that Trump said the country’s 15 cases would go down to zero. They instead went up to 5.7 million.

          Tens of thousands of people have died who needed have died, if only Trump were competent and caring.

          The relevant time period started before January and continues to this day. This covers much of the relevant time period:

          Over 175,000 Americans dead from COVID-19, even more people with longterm health problems related to COVID, unemployment over 10%, unsafe to open schools, … Trump isn’t the only person responsible for that, but he’s the single most responsible person.

          For ex., if you want to shift the blame to Cuomo:

          Cuomo wasn’t responsible for OKing the disbanding of the NSC pandemic response team.
          Cuomo wasn’t responsible for initially ignoring the pandemic playbook that the Obama Admin. left for the Trump Admin.
          Cuomo wasn’t responsible for ignoring info for months about the coronavirus in the President’s Daily Brief.
          Cuomo wasn’t responsible for failure to use the DPA to order production of PPE.
          Cuomo wasn’t responsible for Trump’s failure to consistently model and call for mask wearing.
          Cuomo wasn’t responsible for Trump’s initial lauding of President Xi.
          Cuomo wasn’t responsible for Trump setting up super-spreader events at international airports in the U.S. after his statements announcing travel restrictions, where people were packed together instead of setting up proper procedures in US airports to make sure that people would be tested for the virus and quarantined.
          Cuomo wasn’t responsible for Trump not dealing properly with people on the cruise ships because he was more concerned about “my numbers” than about actual people.
          Cuomo wasn’t responsible for Trump’s endless fantasy lies that COVID-19 is just “going to go away.”
          Cuomo wasn’t responsible for Trump proposing that pandemic preparedness funding be cut from the budget in 2017, for subsequently cutting other relevant federal health and research funding (including funding for research on animal-to-human virus transmission), for diverting funding away from the CDC for immigration, …
          Cuomo wasn’t responsible for Trump’s frequent rejection of science and evidence-based assessments.
          Cuomo wasn’t responsible for Trump’s errors with developing and making tests available or his early lies about how many were available / that anyone who wanted one could get one.
          Cuomo wasn’t responsible for Trump’s many other lies, such as his claim that “we have it totally under control.”
          Cuomo wasn’t responsible for a myriad of other Trump errors, including his continued lies. He is a pathological liar.

          Plenty of people have made mistakes in dealing with the pandemic in the U.S., but Trump above all.

          If you cannot even be honest about THIS, with over 175,000 of your fellow Americans dead, many of whose deaths could have been prevented by effective and timely responses from Trump, no one should expect you to be honest about any other issue.

          1. “Tens of thousands of people have died who needed have died, if only Trump were competent and caring.”

            Prove it.

            “Cuomo wasn’t responsible for OKing the disbanding of the NSC pandemic response team..”

            What would the pandemic response team have done that Trump didn’t do? That Cuomo killed thousands of nursing home residents in NY is where positive guilt can be established.

            No need to continue down a list until CTDHD can provide proof of her contentions. Too many lies and ambiguities in her posts. She needs to have a thorough cleaning to get rid of her dirt.

            1. Allan,
              The problem with any discussion on Covid-19 is it has been politicized. The fact that the medical community has changed the management guidelines on this pandemic so many times and often with conflicting theories, the average citizen doesn’t know what to believe. I can guarantee you they don’t believe it originated anywhere other than China. They don’t believe an order by the state of NY to put infected patients into nursing homes was rational. They don’t believe a drug that has been used by millions over the last 60 years suddenly presents a health risk greater than the virus itself. They don’t believe the WHO. And they don’t believe a political party is trustworthy, when they establish capricious mandates on law-abiding citizens, while actively encouraging unlawful and violent protesters to run amok. One last thing and correct me if I’m wrong, but aren’t Medicare rates higher for deaths attributed to Covid-19? What could possibly go wrong with that?

              1. Of course, Olly everything you say is true including what you said about Medicare rates. On this blog we are dealing with a subset of democrats that defy intellectual honesty on a daily basis. Btb repeats the same old garbage and cannot argue a significant point to its conclusion. CTDHD parses every conversation to the limit so the topic changes and while doing so she intentionally lies or distorts the truth. Paint Chips is Paint Chips and there is little we can do to get the lead out of his blood stream. Anonymous the Stupid remains as Stupid as ever. The rest of the gang of leftists aren’t much different.

                1. Allan,
                  This is an interesting article regarding the process to approve medicines. Just follow the money; white coat and oath be damned:

                  It is simply no longer possible to believe much of the clinical research that is published, or to rely on trusted physicians or authoritative medical guidelines. I take no pleasure in this conclusion, which I reached slowly and reluctantly over my two decades as an editor of The New England Journal of Medicine.

                  1. Absolutely. I think a major change occurred during the Clinton Adminstration. The journals have become more and more untrustworthy.

                    Think how government enters into the picture. If one wants funding from the feds one has to draw conclusions that the feds desire. I believe that is one of the reasons why all sorts of guidelines changed, mammograms, pap smears etc. This means one cannot trust the work being performed.

                    Trump figured out why drug prices are so high, but that is different than what conventional wisdom says. He is a businessman and people that deal in business recognize incentives. He is smart and can most definitely bring drug prices down. (Many of our legislators are earning big bucks for themselves or their campaigns by permitting drug prices to stay high.)

                    When HMO’s enterred the picture government was in favor of them even though the problems (based on the rules) were laid out by real experts. The papers that were produced showed government’s methodology was good but the articles were tortured to prove that. After quite a period of time the government realized Medicare was paying more than they should have to most of these HMO’s and quality had fallen.

                    Government destroys intellectual honesty. We see the same from ObamaCare. Everything that went wrong was predicted and written about before the bill was passed and more shortly thereafter. Those papers were right and those in support of ObamaCare were wrong. The more distant we get from these grave failures of government the clearer the evidence becomes. I am not advocating no government involvement. I am advocating common sense.

          2. Why aren’t you communists (liberals, progressives, socialists, democrats, RINOs) investigating and revealing which one of your minions negotiated with the global Dear Leader and General Secretary, Xi Jinping, to release the corona virus, “The China Flu, 2020,” to stop President Trump’s juggernaut, which was on an inexorable path to an historic, landslide victory in November?

            Oh, yeah, it’s top secret, huh, just like the Obama spying on President Trump and the entire Obama Coup D’etat in America.

            “The China Flu, 2020” is “The China Coup D’etat of the Earth.”

            Virology labs have many multiple, redundant safety systems making those facilities “fail safe” – noxious and hazardous organisms do not escape virology labs.

            COVID-19, “The China Flu, 2020,” was deliberately and maliciously released by communist China, understanding that it would sustain the collateral damage of “acceptable,” if not desirable, “losses.”

            Global communists (liberals, progressives, socialists, democrats, RINOs, foreign renditions) released “The China Flu, 2020” deliberately in a presidential election year in order to expedite the subjugation of America, the ascendance of China and the absolute dominion of global communism.

      2. BTB, it is, as always, the economy, that is number 1.

        Yet you failed to even mention it.

        Your Party lost the virus response issue right out of the gate when they accused Trump of being “racist” for stopping in-bound flights from China in January while the Dem impeachment show was in full swing.

        Which veers right back to number 1, thanks to the planned destruction of the economy courtesy of the Democrats corona canard.

        Violent crime is now number 5 and rapidly rising on voters list of most important issues. So have fun with Defund the Police, Antifa, and BLM. Major blowback coming.

        Taxes?! Biden wants to increase taxes. That’s always a winner.

        Gun control is a suicide move, as it always has been.

        Now that the economy is in a shambles allowing illegal immigration is giant loser move.

        You’re not very bright.

        1. Rhodes, Professor Turley just wrote a column telling us our National Debt is at wartime levels.

          So explain ‘when’ and ‘how’ we pay down the debt without any tax increases.

          1. He cant, just like all the politicians cant. I BELIEVE, no data to back it up, that congress will continue deficit spending, running up debt until lenders say too much risk. 10 yrs, 20 whatever.

          2. Chips,
            Let’s assume you have credit debt. When you receive your monthly bill showing your limit has been exceeded, do you:
            A. Open another card.
            B. Borrower money from your parents, with no concern about paying them back.
            C. Rob your neighbors. You know, the neighbors you convinced to pay you to be their neighborhood watch leader.
            D. Get a job.
            E. Analyze your spending habits and eliminate wasteful and ineffective.

            Hint: C= tax increases.

            1. Olly, you PAY-DOWN the bills as much as you possibly can.

              During Trump’s first 3 years in office we had a continuation of record economic expansion that began under Obama. Those 3 years were a great opportunity to pay-down the national debt. But by cutting taxes to the rich, Trump did just the opposite; ran the debt much higher with no benefit to average Americans.

        2. The good news Rhodes, is that when the economy stinks, the flow from south of the border slackens.

          Flow from other parts of the world may be driven by other more non-economic factors, I am not sure

        3. Trump has an unemployment rate over 10% because of his failed response to SARS-CoV-2.

          “as always, the economy, that is number 1. … the economy is in a shambles”

          Your words. Even you admit that Trump can’t campaign on a good economy.

          “the Democrats corona canard.”

          It’s not a canard. Over 175,000 of your fellow Americans dead, many others with longterm health problems, unemployment over 10%, Americans refused entry in other countries, American failing to be a global leader, … — all coronavirus-related problems that Trump could have avoided if only he were a fit President. If he’d handled this well, he’d have been a shoo-in for reelection. Instead he’s struggling. BECAUSE HE’S UNFIT.

  5. I’m curious about a different point, and maybe someone here knows. If I were Sandmann, and signed away the right to sue further, I would want CNN to agree not to further disparage me or defame me on their network. And I can see where that might be unworkable as a lifetime requirement for my lifetime, but I would think it would be automatic that they don’t defame me about this incident. Yet, their commentators are still saying the same things that got CNN in trouble enough to settle the lawsuit. What gives?

    1. They offer money to settle and not much more is my guess. Why would they offer non-disparagement. They make a big living off of disparaging everybody. At most they may stop covering Sandmann’s old beef with the indian drummer but all new events for Sandmann are going to be on the table. They are a news organization and would not offer that is my speculation.

      The terms of a settlement like this are not pro forma they are bespoke. The agreements and releases, if any, get very close detail and attention from the highest paid lawyers who know their craft. Your questions are valid TW but we lack the information to answer them meaningfully at depth.

  6. Perhaps CNN analysts can unleash personal attacks on DNC speakers and provide America with a salient truth.

    If Kamala Harris IS a “natural born citizen,” who IS NOT a “natural born citizen?”

    Why is a Congressman or Senator merely required to be a “citizen” while the President is required to be a “natural born citizen?”

    The answer is because there is a significant and substantial difference as fully and technically qualified and quantified by Vattel.

    “Natural born citizen” is a “strong check” because it requires parents who are citizens, and a father who is a citizen, at the time of birth of the candidate, per the accepted contemporary definition in the legal text and reference of the era, The Law of Nations, 1758.

    “Citizen” is a weak check.

    The Founders “…provide[d] a strong check to the admission of Foreigners into the administration of our national Government, and to declare expressly that the Command in chief of the american army shall not be given to, nor devolved on, any but a natural born Citizen.”

    Citizenship status as “natural born citizen” is stronger than citizenship status as “citizen.”

    Congressmen and Senators must be merely “citizens.”

    The President and Vice President must be “natural born citizens.”

    Article 2, Section 1

    No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States.

    Article 1, Section 2

    No Person shall be a Representative who shall not have attained to the Age of twenty five Years, and been seven Years a Citizen of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an Inhabitant of that State in which he shall be chosen.

    Article 1, Section 3

    No Person shall be a Senator who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty Years, and been nine Years a Citizen of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an Inhabitant of that State for which he shall be chosen.

    “Permit me to hint, whether it would not be wise & seasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of Foreigners into the administration of our national Government, and to declare expressly that the Command in chief of the american army shall not be given to, nor devolved on, any

    but a natural born Citizen.

    – John Jay Ltr To George Washington, New York 25 July 1787

    1. Well, now, if your theory is that Kamala Harris is not a natural born citizen because her parents were not born in the USA, then neither is your hero. His mother, Mary MacCleod, was born in Scotland, and, according to The Donald, his father was born in Germany (even though his birth certificate says he was born in the Bronx, but since The Donald can never be wrong, we must accept that he was born in German). You can’t have it both ways. He can just go ahead and vacate the White House right now, so Biden will have several months to remove the smell.

      1. Unintelligible.

        Read with me:

        Kamala Harris’ parents were not U.S. citizens at the time of the candidate’s birth.

        “The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.”

        “…it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.”

        “…continually in the hands of the members of our Congress, now sitting,…”

        Law of Nations, Vattel, 1758
        Book 1, Ch. 19
        § 212. Citizens and natives.

        “The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.”

        Ben Franklin letter December 9, 1775, thanking Charles Dumas for 3 copies of the Law of Nations:

        “…I am much obliged by the kind present you have made us of your edition of Vattel. It came to us in good season, when the circumstances of a rising state make it necessary frequently to consult the law of nations. Accordingly that copy, which I kept, (after depositing one in our own public library here, and sending the other to the College of Massachusetts Bay, as you directed,) has been continually in the hands of the members of our Congress, now sitting, who are much pleased with your notes and preface, and have entertained a high and just esteem for their author…”

    1. Absurd, you’re suggesting that Republicans are more diverse than the article suggests?? Or you’re disgruntled because these statistics make a mockery of the so-called ‘Walkaway’ movement?

    1. who’s the chubby limey? is that tv? reminds meof why i dont watch it
      Englisher, he cant vote. he’s not funny.

      this is foreign interference. off.

      Paducik should sue for defamation. the Limey porker said he was on drugs. he’s not a public figure. Defamation per se. Ding the porker for his unfunny skit.

  7. Here he goes again. Turley claims: “Sandmann is a pro-life kid who wanted to demonstrate against abortion. He sought to play a meaningful role in his political system, which is what we all have encouraged.”

    Some facts, Jonny. First of all, Catholic schools REQUIRE students attend anti-abortion rallies, even those who aren’t Catholic and even those who are pro-choice. In fact, in the archdiocese where I live, when a student is registered in a Catholic school, the parents are told this is a requirement for their religion grade, and if they won’t go along with it, don’t register. Doesn’t that put all of those anti-abortion demonstrations into context? Most Catholics I know wouldn’t personally choose to end a pregnancy, but they agree with the SCOTUS that when it comes to other people and their choices, it’s none of their business. So, your assumption that that smirking little beeotch was some sort devoutly religious, pious Catholic merely there to save babies and participate in the political process is nothing but an assumption that is belied by his conduct. I saw the face of that a-hole, with his MAGA hat and how he approached that Native American man, and it was clear he was there to mock and bully him. Why did he approach him in the first place? A video is worth a thousand words. Did you see the other d*cks who were with him in the background laughing? That little sh*t probably put on the MAGA hat to stir up trouble, to get attention and for a prank. Now he’s getting even more attention. He is no victim, but in any event, why was he used as a campaign prop? To stir up the deplorables into believing that they, too, are victimized by the evil media for supporting the election cheater? The issue with this little turd isn’t the MAGA hat, so he lied when he blamed his “victimization” on the hat. It is because he, in his role as an alleged “pro-life” Catholic school student, mocked an elderly Native American man.

    The MAGA hat would be reason enough for people to question the piety of a Catholic who supports a chronic, habitual liar who is racist, xenophobic, a misogynist and who cages brown children and infants and who has expressed support for White Supremacists. Trump and the things he does and stands for do not mesh with the teachings of Jesus Christ. You cannot be a devout Catholic and support Donald Trump.

    As to the rest of your post, what about using people seeking US citizenship as a campaign prop, in our White House, no less? For that matter, what about the former stripper using the White House to try to drum up support by women for her admitted sexual assaulter husband who cages children and infants, and who did a very poor job of reading the speech someone wrote for her and displayed on the teleprompter? She also lied a lot, but the biggest whopper was about her alleged yearning for coming to America because it’s such a wonderful place. She applied to a college in Slovenia, but didn’t go so she could pursue a modeling career, a career in which she posed nude, including soft-core lesbian photos. She met the Donald at one of those high-roller parties that models attended, hoping to snag a wealthy husband. That was the reason for wanting to come to America. Her “Be Best” and anti-bullying rhetoric fall flat when you consider that she hasn’t even convinced her husband not to lie, insult and bully people. If she wanted to do something to benefit children, how about starting with those who are caged like animals and separated from their parents on orders of her husband? Why doesn’t she discuss that, instead of trying to pretend that she’s anything other than an ornament, and a very shallow one at that. They put her in the setting of our White House to try to prop up her lack of any substance, lack of education, and lack of accomplishments. No, women, especially college educated women, do not relate to her.

    1. ” Catholic schools REQUIRE students attend anti-abortion rallies, even those who aren’t Catholic and even those who are pro-choice. In fact, in the archdiocese where I live,”

      you may state the policy in YOUR diocese, though I doubt it. But assuming you are correct for yours, that is not the policy everywhere, as you presumptuously assert. In short you are WRONG again.

      In the midwest I am 100% certain this is NOT the policy in Catholic schools, from my own personal knowledge as a student and a parent, and it never has been over a span of nearly 4 decades which takes us nearly all the ways back to when abortion was still illegal in the first place. I am not going to identify which dioceses but between North of Chicago all the way east to Detroit I can say for sure it is not the policy in several and I doubt it is policy in any of them.

      Surely as a Catholic you know such policies are diocese by diocese under the authority of the bishop and not dictated by the Bishop of Rome. Or perhaps you didn’t know this aspect of “subsidiarity”

      1. ” Catholic schools REQUIRE students attend anti-abortion rallies, even those who aren’t Catholic and even those who are pro-choice. In fact, in the archdiocese where I live,”

        She’s completely unfamiliar with the reality of Catholic schooling in this country, so she makes up stuff which is risible to anyone who actually is familiar with it. You want to know the institutional reality of the Catholic Church, just recall that the diocesan chancery threw them under the bus immediately.

        1. I am a cradle Catholic. I graduated from a Catholic grade school and high school, as did my 2 brothers. I sing in an Archdiocesan choir at the Cathedral for the Archdiocese where I live. The woman who sings behind me teaches at a Catholic high school, and she confirmed what my granddaughter’s mother said about attending anti-abortion rallies being a requirement.

          1. Natch:

            You may have had such experiences as you say but at best they are inside your diocese and atypical. I am informing you that they are not policy in the diocese where I live or the contiguous dioceses and pretty confident nowhere between Chicago and Detroit. I have no clue where you live.

            All policies of this sort are subject to episcopal leadership. That means the bishop is the top. Not the Pope. The Entire RCC is administered mostly as a confederation and not a Napoleonic Empire, The authority of the bishop of Rome Aka the pope is essentially dogmatic and he has very little authority over assets under his immediate control.

            Now since you want to test the proposition, it’s perfectly within Church teaching to oblige students to do some public activity as a condition of their education. If you don’t like it, then you don’t need to seek their diplomas. But, having received myself and also having paid for as a parent, some of the best Catholic educational opportunities in America at every level from grade school through graduate, I am telling you that is not how they operate in regards of this particular specific you claim, ie, making kids go to these marches. Nope. I am not saying it didn’t happen to you, however. If it happened in your neck of the woods, maybe. There’s a lot of strange things happening in this or that parish all over the world. but don’t project your own personal dislikes on to the entire thing worldwide

            1. i meant to say the Pope’s authority is fundamentally theological and not operation. He has little direct control over assets from OUTSIDE his immediate control. Most folks dont understand this, Catholic or not. The Bishops run the Church and they are bosses in their own little fiefdoms, princely bosses too, not democratic ones. Don’t like it? ok, don’t be a part of it. Simple solution for all the Catholic dissidents out there. In America you’re all free, wheeeeee

      2. I know from personal knowledge, from last year’s registration at Catholic schools by relatives of mine, that participating in anti-abortion rallies IS REQUIRED, and parents are told not to register if they disagree. The mother of one of these relatives is not Catholic, and she was offended, so she didn’t register her daughter, who happens to be my granddaughter. Yes, I am well-acquainted with the Catholic hierarchy, having a monk and a nun as cousins, but what makes you think for one minute that this isn’t a dictate from the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB)? I object to Turley assuming that Sandmann is a pious little Catholic boy just present in Washington to save babies because he was at that rally.

        1. I know from personal knowledge,

          Doubling down on lies doesn’t make them true, Natacha. Are we going to hear about your nursing career, too?

        2. Regardless Natasha, you have the part with Phillips all wrong, and absent direct evidence there is no reason to assume anything sinister in Sandmann’s motives. You don’t have to agree with pro-life opinions to respect them as being heartfelt. Even if “all catholic kids are forced to go to rallies – I don’t know and don’t care – that does not mean some at least believe in it. He’s a kid with half formed opinions largely passed on from his parents. Maybe he’ll keep them, maybe he won’t. Give him room to breath and see what happens.

        3. My remarks have nothing to do with Sandmann’s piety or lack of it

          I am stating how episcopal authority works in the Church. I am simply repeating what i have been taught. It’s not up to me to say how it should work, just how it does.

          However, if you think this is a policy of the USCCB then prove it. Their proclamations are out there. Let me know if you find something that confirms your suspicions.

          It very well might have been a mistake, but if it is not, maybe the bishop doesnt even know about it. How about you send him a letter and see what he says?
          You can report back and let us know.

          Meanwhile, you can do a study of ecclesiastical administration if you think I am wrong about how it works. You could start with this book by the late Rev Richard McBrien, he was a liberal but he knew his subject and described it well

    2. Thanks, Natasha, I rather presumed that lad was there because the school demanded his attendance. It’s unusual for high school guys to be that interested with restricting women’s rights. ‘Getting laid’ is usually the main concern of boys Sandman’s age.

    3. I guess you didn’t see the video because he never approached the native American man. It was the other way around. Check the video and your facts. My 4 children have gone to catholic schools all their lives. I haven’t heard of a diocese that requires attendance at the March for Life, but maybe yours is the only one. I suspect you haven’t done your research there as well. It’s hard to be you I guess.

    4. Natasha, you couldn’t be more wrong about the Sandmann/Phillips incident and the WaPo could be your source on that because they got it right on the 2nd day. Sandmann did not instigate the scene, Phillips did by walking up to him and beating a drum in his face while chanting in a language the kid couldn’t be expected to understand. He did nothing wrong, nor did any of the kids from his school. The A hole was Phillips and the black group that was also there.

      Educate yourself on this because you what you are saying it just false. Plain and simple.


        One questions if this comment was logged by the commenter known as “By The Book”. Readers should note this blog has been stalked by a rightwing troll for several months at this point.


        The Commenter known as “By The Book” more than likely did not post this comment. It is more likely the work of the rightwing troll who stalks this blog daily.

      3. That look on his ugly little face said it all. That he was wearing a MAGA hat only confirms that his motivation was not innocent. That was not a smile of friendliness–it was mockery. MAGA signifies support for White Supremacy, racism, misogyny and xenophobia, which are anti-American and anti-Christian. If this was innocent, why were the others in the background laughing? What was he even doing there in the first place?

        1. That’s BS Natasha. He’s a kid and even more so then. They were all laughing because they had no idea what was going on and were kids. Half those kids will probably grow up to hate MAGA but they have a right to wear political apparel you don’t agree with, absent a swastika. They idin;t think it means what you claim, whether it does or not.

          You need to look at the videos from other angles and the full coverage of what happened that day. The jerk was Phillips, not Sandmann.

    5. I stopped reading after the paragraph where you say this:

      “I saw the face of that a-hole, with his MAGA hat and how he approached that Native American man, and it was clear he was there to mock and bully him. Why did he approach him in the first place?”

      If you don’t even know that Sandmann DIDN’T approach Phillips – that it was actually Phillips who walked up to the Covington kids, stood in front of Sandmann, started pounding a drum in his face (as documented by the full video of the entire event), and then lied about it – then you have nothing of value to add on this particular subject. It never ceases to amaze me how this long after the real story came out people can still manage to be fooled by the fake story that came out in the first few hours. It just shows how utterly destructive the media can be. Especially when paired with people who are quick to be self-righteous and outraged but slow to see the need for actually doing some research.

    1. Maybe try flipping that statement around, Kurtz. The great bodily harm or death was related to the gun. Glad he got jumped before doing much more damage.

      1. I am scanning more info but it appears not only were they beating him with a skateboard but the one who got his bicep blown clean off was actually holding a glock

        The screw turns in Kenosha, expect more to follow. The Danish blood is coming out of its deep freeze

        This building was set alight and looted and a tall old Danish American man was knocked out face first into the concrete and came up looking like One Eyed Odin. I saw this last night and understood the portents. Im sure Andy Ngo’s feed has that clip too

        They probably will be needing donations. i am guessing they are organized as a 501c4 not a c3 so not tax deductible but they will probably appreciate them anyways

        Danish Brotherhood Lodge #14

        2206 63rd St, Kenosha, WI 53143

        They will be getting one from elsewhere in flyover signed, “Ragnar Lothbrok”

      1. Ha!…look what the BLM ANTIFA anarchists left behind……enigma! bwahahahahaha
        so are you going to bomb Professor Turley’s home? are you going to gun down his children? Are you going to flash lasers in his home while he works?

        yeah, those left wing ANTIFA BLM anarchists just gave Trump a second term. way to go dumbsheets!

        Hey enigma, did you get a load of all of those people of color, those brown folks, those immigrants, those blue collar workers who spoke at the RNC?! Nah, we didn’t think you did either. You were more likely parading around with BLM fascist banners and burning down black owned businesses.

      2. Enigma, this film is a tribute to your love of BLM and Antifa. Everyone of these riots should have been stopped the second any protest caused any damage. If the police didn’t have the manpower they should have gotten it from surrounding cities and the national guard.

        I don’t care about the politics of any of these people. None of them are civilized and many deserve to be in jail. Chances are the vast majority won’t vote in the election.

        Enigma, you can pat yourself on the back and say well done to the job your rhetoric has spawned.

          1. BLM and Antifa both of which you demonstrated support for in the past. I am not concerned with the color of the people being shot or doing the shooting. I am concerned that we let these two groups run wild in so many cities over the nation people’s lives are being destroyed and people are being killed.

            Why to you does everything have to do with skin color?

            1. This is your imagination running wild. I have supported BLM in the past and still do. I have never supported ANTIFA and challenge you to give me one example. I have pointed out that most of the claims about ANTIFA are either lies, exaggerations, or untruiths. I’ve said that any acts of violence should be punished to the full extent of the law. I should add if actually proven.

              1. I remember our discussion when Antifa was rioting including the time Andy Gno who was badly hurt. Your sympathies seemed to lie towards Antifa. I remember when there was violence involving BLM where you poo pooed the violence.

                Enigma, I don’t care about color and when violence occurs I don’t care about political views. I care about freedom and rule of law.

                1. You care about color when you insert BLM into an incident where they weren’t involved. My sympathies lie against propaganda and lies. Mr. Kurtz showed a video (which may have been the only information he had) of a killer being attacked (pushed by Andy Gno). Tucker Carlson is on television defending a murderer, as are many of you.

                  1. My point was “Everyone of these riots should have been stopped the second any protest caused any damage.” That included BLM, Antifa, white supremecists or any other organization right or left. We saw BLM doing a lot of damage early on and then in conjunction with Antifa.

                    You want to think others care only about color and throw the race card all the time You said: “You care about color when you insert BLM into an incident where they weren’t involved.” But I wasn’t talking about any one incident. If you are trying to say that BLM hasn’t been violent go ahead, but you know that is not true.

                    1. I’m saying you’re blaming BLM when there didn’t appear to be any BLM member in sight. Also, what evidence do you have of any actions of BLM acting “in conjunction” with ANTIFA? Also, BLM is a relatively small organization (13 chapters) and a lot of stuff gets accredited to them that they didn’t do (like you blaming them for a white teenager killing people). Get your facts straight. This is me defending BLM, You can’t find me defending ANTIFA which hasn’t happened.


                    2. “I’m saying you’re blaming BLM when there didn’t appear to be any BLM member in sight. ”

                      But Enigma, I wasn’t talking about one city rather all the cities now and earlier where violence has occurred and reminded you of it in my last response. I said: “My point was “Everyone of these riots should have been stopped the second any protest caused any damage.” That included BLM, Antifa, white supremecists or any other organization right or left.” The idea was that the violence should have been stopped day one and yes, that included violence or intimidation by BLM.

                      You neglect a lot of facts in your answers because you draw your conclusions and then pick out your facts. You forget your prior comments. This was your problem the first time we met and it continues.

                      “Also, what evidence do you have of any actions of BLM acting “in conjunction” with ANTIFA? ”

                      If you didn’t see it or you don’t recognize it that is your problem. I no longer desire to convince you of anything because having done so in the past I realize evidence doesn’t count unless it agrees with your preconceived notions. That is who you are.

                    3. A better and more accurate depiction of BLM.

                      Black Lives Matter: “We Are Trained Marxists” – Part I
                      by Soeren Kern
                      July 2, 2020

                      Black Lives Matter is a Marxist revolutionary movement aimed at transforming the United States into a communist dystopia. BLM states that it wants to abolish the nuclear family, police, prisons and capitalism. BLM leaders have threatened to “burn down the system” if their demands are not met. They are also training militias. Pictured: A man carries and upside-down US flag with “BLM” written on it, at a protest march in Boston, Massachusetts on June 22, 2020. (Photo by Joseph Prezioso/AFP via Getty Images)

                      Continued at:

                    4. I went to the article which reads like a compilation of the wildest rumors of BLM. I clicked on one link about BLM training militias which quoted “Black Lives Matter leader Hank Newsome who it turns out isn’t officially part of the organization and his comments were denounced by BLM. You are pushing mistruths without checking them out because it fits your narrative.

                    5. “You are pushing mistruths without checking them out because it fits your narrative.”

                      Funny Enigma how I am saying the same thing about you. You create a narrative of BLM as a peaceful group that hasn’t been violent or intimidated people. Everytime a BLM incident occurs you will say but they aren’t a part of BLM or that video of BLM intimidating people isn’t really BLM.

                      Let’s hear your answers:

                      “BLM’s founders openly admit to being Marxist ideologues.” Yes or no.
                      “BLM states that it wants to abolish: the nuclear family; police and prisons; heteronormativity; and capitalism. Y or N
                      “BLM’s donations are collected by ActBlue, a fundraising platform linked to the Democratic Party and causes associated with it.” Y or N

                      About half or more of the article was quotes from BLM persons , web sites etc. so when you say ” a compilation of the wildest rumors of BLM.” one has to wonder about your credibility unless you wish to say that the quotes provided are erroneous. However, the article provided links to comments. Why don’t you explain why those comments from BLM persons are providing rumors?

                      There is another part to the article that came out later so you can extend your review to part 2.

                    6. No, half the quotes were from haters of BLM and the other half from people purported to be leaders of the group but not affiliated. An actual leader did say she’d been trained in Marxist teachings, so was I… in a high school class on communist state (I can’t imagine a class in today’s environment teaching that. I learned more in college as an economics major, just as I learned about capitalism and socialism. Most of those comments don’t come from BLM persons which is my point.

                    7. You are hiding behind a movement that doesn’t have a list of members so that you can deny any allegation against BLM. Sorry but it is done under the name BLM. The donations are to BLM. The statements and the threats are from BLM unless they deny an association with those that practice intimidation or violence. But who can deny this when there is ‘no list of members’ is apparently your retort. You studied Marxism in high school is why you discounted what those three founders of BLM said about themselves. We can’t believe what they say because …?

                      BLM leader: If change doesn’t happen, then ‘we will burn down this system’
                      By Mark Moore
                      The president of Greater New York Black Lives Matter said that if the movement fails to achieve meaningful change during nationwide protests over George Floyd’s killing by Minneapolis police officers, it will “burn down this system.”

                      “If this country doesn’t give us what we want, then we will burn down this system and replace it. All right? And I could be speaking figuratively. I could be speaking literally. It’s a matter of interpretation,” Hawk Newsome


                      You want to say he is not a part of BLM. Prove it. Let’s hear who is a part of BLM. Let’s have their book of members that you don’t have.

                    8. Does the NRA provide a list of names, dark money donors to politicians? They do have a list of chapters and the one Hank Newsome claims isn’t one of them. BLM says he’s not a member, You want a special law for BLM to provide you a list of names, did you ever ask that for the Klan, Proud Boys, Boogaloo Boys etc.? A BLM list would become a hit list in today’s environment. You’ve gone off into Allanland again so I’m done.

                    9. “Does the NRA provide a list of names”

                      You are ridiculous. When hasn’t the NRA been blamed for all sorts of things? Such a mind is warped. The NRA is blamed when a BLM riot breaks out and one rioting with BLM shoots someone else. This is all part of your politics. Blame someone else. ‘I have a grievance and it is your fault’. That is the Enigma way and that way has failed the black communinty. Of course there is the equivalent of that nonesense, ‘if you vote for Trump then you ain’t black. That type of statement leads to BLM rioting but if someone part of the group is arrested for a crime, ‘you aint a BLM member’. If a black person becomes educated like Thomas Sowell, Clarence Thomas or any of the many other brilliant blacks that have made it to the top of their chosen profession then suddenly the call is, ‘they ain’t black, they Uncle Tom’s. A whole bunch of Uncle Toms spoke at the Republican Convention. They are the up and coming black community. Your’s has failed.

                      ” I’m done.”

                      When weren’t you done? You are done before you start because your grievances have mostly disappeared and now whatever grievances that remain are caused by the left’s plantation model that has invaded the democrat party. It is fitting that the three founders of BLM are avowed Marxists. They fit right in.

                    1. From the videos I have seen, it is hard to see who is doing what to whom. Alleged is still the best word.

                    2. Yes, I saw a guy who was wounded who appeared to be holding a Glock and was breaking windows with BLMers.

                    3. Rep. Pressley thinks the people who were shot were members of BLM. Two are felons (one on the sex register), who am I to dispute her. BTW, the huge majority of ppl protesting/rioting for BLM appear to be white. Evidently, BLM accepts all colors.

                    4. Evidently, people of all stripes (and colors) take advantage of the opportunity to pursue their own agendas. This includes ANTIFA but also right wing militias, and white supremacist groups.

                    5. Enigma, Right now it seems that it is BLM that is intimidating democrat mayors and governors from acting. Thus all the violence. However, the vast majority appears to be from the left including some that are leftist white supremecists. The right is old and retired without the desire to riot and the rest work for a living and have to get up in the morning to get to work. That leaves the group that despises work or doesn’t feel work is a necessity.

  8. The only mistake this young man made was that he did not sue the reporters individually along with the networks. He is laughing all the way to the bank.

  9. For eight years my side with the likes of Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity said these things about the last idiot and his cast of losers. Limbaugh went as far as saying “I hope you lose.”

    Under the liberal Donald Trump’s leadership, many people on the right have now adopted the play of Jesse Jackson’s victim card for behavior they engaged in themselves during the Obama years.

    Grow a pair Jonathon.

  10. Nothing surprising at the communist no news propaganda show. The surprise would have been their swearing alegiance to the Constitution and then acting the part.;

      1. No, that’s socialism. Communism is when they use force to abolish private property rights by saying “you didn’t build that”.

      2. Communism is unconstitutional affirmative action ensconcing an ineligible son of a foreign citizen in the presidency, unconstitutionally bailing out a private enterprise, then, the first affirmative action project, acting further in unconstitutional fashion, ensconcing a fellow affirmative action project, bypassing worthy men who merited the position, in the CEO spot of an historic and accretive American corporation, which was built from scratch out of nothing by men, General Motors.

  11. Actually I think Prof should shut this site down. We all are wasting our time here. Not one of us has changed our mind. What’s the point at yelling & screaming at each other? eh?

    1. The purpose of the site is to display the professor’s opinions. The comments are an addendum. The starboard posters do have productive discussions with each other and there are one or two portside posters capable of arguing.

      The rest are mostly nosepickers and head-cases and liars, because street-level Democrats are like that in this day and age. The professor has his policies, so Darren doesn’t ban people unless they clog up every discussion board with their issues (which is what ‘Late4Dinner’ used to do).

    2. Delmaracer — Not true. I have gained from comments of a number of people. Even snotty challenges from Commit have led me to think through passing ideas more thoroughly.

      Also if people come here to fight it increases page views.

  12. “Rangappa teaches at Yale and in academia such ad hominem attacks are viewed as the very antithesis of reasoned debate. Likewise, in journalism, such attacks were once viewed as anathema, particularly when they are based on false assumptions.”

    As long as universities allow this type of individual to educate students in journalism, the truth will always be forgotten and only personal beliefs discussed, including attacking and bullying people instead of debating and discussion differences.

    Journalist and those who educate them today are one step below the “Corner Happy Jack Used Car Salesman” chewing on a cigar butt.

  13. Again, Turley will point out anything that someone might say about the right, and never, never point out what goes on with FOX NEWS who makes it a brand to distort and deceive. Turley’s worried about personal attack’s, well then he must have never heard of DJT.

  14. Hey Jeff Young – “Hey @N1ckSandmann, I watched your speech tonight at the #RNCConvention2020 with an open mind, thinking I might hear something that would convince me of your position that you were an innocent victim of a cruel media. I was disappointed, but not surprised, to hear otherwise.”

    jeff, YOU HAVE NO OPEN MIND, IN-FACT YOU HAVE NO MIND, at least a rational mind! Oh SO PATHETIC. Sandmann 1 – CNN 0 Just in case you Jeff Young forgot, HEHEHEHE.

    1. Maybe someone should have mentioned to Yang the settlement, CNN and others of their media ilk, decided to reach instead of defending their malicious commentary.

  15. Not defending CNN or Yang generally, but Turley’s characterization of Yang’s comment about Buttigieg as a personal attack is inane. Yang was responding directly to a milquetoast tweet of Buttigieg’s that attempted, in Buttigieg’s characteristically vague way, to invoke the mythical virtues of the American Heartland as some kind of intrinsic qualification for public office. Yang was very precisely skewering Buttigieg’s brand, which is empty and phony. That is not a personal attack, or it is a “personal attack” but it is a valid one. There is a difference between “circumstantial ad hominem” and regular ad hominem. In this case, it was the first.

    1. mythical virtues of the American Heartland

      You haven’t a clue why you fancy their virtues are ‘mythical’.

    2. The American Heartland AKA “flyover” is a place of virtue and mythical power. If you think myths are just fake stories, then you don’t understand them.

      Mythical power is mystical power. We feel the collective unconscious of our people deeply, we have a mystical communion with our ancestors who soaked this soil with their blood.

      Pete Buttigieg is a quirky fellow, but he grew up in the Midwest and he knows its sense of community. Of all his posturing, that one was actually the most authentic

      But Wartberg is probably in Manhattan or someplace like that which only knows contempt for us here. Or be ye on the Left coast?
      Ditto that Jeff Yang chatterbox. Caonima, Yang.
      & Wartberg, the feeling is mutual, be assured. Stay out of flyover. We are not your kind here.

      1. Kurtz, the contempt for other Americans is from Trump and your party. 1st president I know of to openly punish or call out states and cities. Your attitude shows and it’s not what I know of from my midwestern family who are – as advertised – very nice and very welcoming. How did you take a brash NYC playboy as being real people and on your side. He’s not and mocks you and southerners in private.

        BTW, all regions have their pride and something to be proud of and that includes New England, the MId Atlantic, the South, SW, Prairie states, and the Pacific NW. The Midwest is great with great people. Aren’t we all!

        1. as to all the regions of the Unites States it is a very diverse and wonderful nation as a whole. I have not had the chance to enjoy some places but I hope one day I can. So I agree with book’s second paragraph.

          However i am a nakedly biased person in favor of my own and I am from flyover. This my home and it’s where the heart is.

          1. Kurtz, being nakedly partisan for your region does not require you to be hostile to other regions. Of the regions I listed, I have lived for 6 months or more in 4 of them and visited repeatedly in another – the Midwest. Our country is strong and unique for the diversity we encompass, not for some racial purity and tribalism. That’s BS.

            1. Well, it’s a thing out here, that we have some resentfulness to urban cosmopolites.

              Also this is an interesting thing, but I believe that you can’t have a fullness of like, unless you also have some dislike.

              If you like everything equally, then you might as well be liking nothing, because there is no difference.

              Love, then, calls into possibility, hate. These are matters of degrees and they emerge from time to time with circumstances.

              As for racial purity, I never even mentioned it, but i guess you took that from the words “people” or “kind” or reference to ancestors.

              These are flexible words, you did not need to impute “racial purity” to them. I used neither the phrase nor those words.
              But, if you feel the need to scold me feel free

              See the possibility exists that a white guy can prefer white people, be of wholly European ancestry and like it that way, and yet, not hate other people merely for differences along these dimensions, nor unlawfully discriminate on any occasion, and in fact and practice get along fine with different people on a daily basis as a matter of habit. Perhaps you are such a person. Or perhaps not. Perhaps I am, or perhaps not. If this is racist or not racist, in other people’s opinion, does not matter to me, because I am not seeking any awards from BLM or such like, I am happy with who I am, and my values will probably not change. For example I value my own ancestry, and I would rather die than ever deny my ancestors. This would be the deepest shame and ingratitude. I am not a saintly nor even a good person but I am a person who makes regular trips to the cemetery to honor and visit the dead. And, among we the living, usually I prefer my own kind, instinctively, but not exclusively. If I want to make a personal connection, I do. It goes as far as it goes. Meanwhile, I follow the laws. and I get along with different people just fine. I pledge nothing more than following the laws. Along the way I have become close to some people who are different from me in very obvious ways. The details of that don’t matter. I am not running for office on that account and don’t brag about it like some fool from the suburb trying to score SJW points.

              Also mentioned tribalism. A flexible word. If I had a tribe I would be loyal to it and not worry about being called a tribalist, either. I suppose if you define it loosely I have a many overlapping tribes and I hope i have been loyal. Loyalty is a value in my world. Maybe not in yours but it is in mine. That’s my kind. People who revere their ancestors and who do not spit on them. People who feel strongly connected to groups and not alienated from them. People who enjoy social existence and not atomization. People who are accountable to others and who can call others to account around them. Responsibility, loyalty, relatedness, work, family, reverence, order. We want material success but do not worship money. Now, I notice there are a lot of foreigners who value these things and we find each other congenial. Ironically in spite of my nativism I find myself very much at home around foreigners who think in old fashioned ways like this. I find myself in more easy circumstances with such people more often than I do with white chumps from the country club who just don’t think like me. Lucky for me I guess, these kinds of foreigners often find their way to “flyover country” and fit in very well.

              Back to the small town, big city dynamic. I have noticed that among various foreigners, people from really big cities in foreign countries, will want to stick to really big cities here. Often, the migrants who seek the interior of the United States, are people who enjoyed their homes in less developed and cosmopolitan locales in their native countries. For example. There are tons of Mexicans scattered about the midwest in and around Chicago and everywhere. But if you talk to them, and yes I have functional Spanish as well as a couple other languages, lucky for me I guess, but the ones that move out to less urban destinations, are often people from smaller towns in Mex. If you have someone who grew up in Mex City however, or a place like Shanghai, they may tend to desire to remain in the largest cities in the US as well. I have seen the pattern in European migrants too, for example, Italians from rural southern locations, may tend to end up in smaller communities in America, but someone from a big city there will stick to a big city here.

              So there are a lot of complexities to human nature. I recommend to people, just drop the political correctness in your head, forget it, purge it. Feel free to see the patterns of humanity which are factually based generalizations, rather than empty stereotypes. Do not be bound either by a caricature, nor a reflexive rejection of caricature. See facts and patterns and when valid, use them.

              Don’t be mentally hobbled by the individualistic narrative of American ideology. We are only “equal” before the law and pretty much in no other way whatsoever. But people have their own gifts and weaknesses, as individuals but also as groups. Groups are important. Groups should not be ignored. Facts matter, history matters. So groups matter. Including where one finds oneself thrown into the stream of existence. So your own groups matter too. This is embracing the true diversity of humanity, learning how people are different not just as mere individuals but groups, and then seeing how groups can overlap, cooperate, and come into conflict. Sometimes ironically, or in delightful ways, at other times, in hazardous and sinister ways. Seeing all these complexities, rather than rejecting them to fit someone else’s frame of censorship and thought control imposed upon you, is to empower oneself with information, detail, and hopefully, eventually, insight that can help direct life in a positive way.

              I have taken the time to describe these things not to laud myself because I am not important. Surely book does not really care too much for me either so it is not really for him. It is for my kind. If you are a midwestern white guy, don’t worry too much about all this freedom and equality and individuality stuff. Those bromides will not get you across the finish line. Let me give you some better virtues to seek than “free” and “rich,.” I’ll just go back to the old Boy Scout law, whatever the failings of Scouting, these were good values to embrace

              Trustworthy, Loyal, Helpful, Friendly, Courteous, Kind, Obedient, Cheerful, Thrifty, Brave, Clean, and Reverent.

              These are real values, and they express themselves in how you interact with others. We need to be team-oriented, not me-oriented. If you find your place in a good team, then there is plenty of room for your own rewards. You may have more than one team. You may end up on a lot of teams. Find your place, it is out there, maybe not far away, you were just not looking. Don’t be blind to the teams right in front of your face. You start where you are, in the real world of flesh and bones, not on the internet, and not with some fantasy of where you want to end up. Hike one foot in front of the other and if you keep moving you can climb Mount Olympus.

        2. Book one more thought. you said

          “1st president I know of to openly punish or call out states and cities”

          ever heard of Abraham Lincoln?

          1. Yeah, Kurtz, except not true. Even after the south tried to secede and then wage war for 4 years, Lincoln remained charitable and with Grant refused to be punitive to soldiers or generals and in the short period he was alive afterward did his best in to unite the country after the war.

            Trump is a lowlife A hole who refuses to be he president of the Untied States. How you can swallow that BS is beyond me.

            1. I agree Lincoln was generous in victory and we are all so darn lucky that he was. but he was victorious first. And the war was real. z

              We are in a different space and time. There is no civil war. That talk is off target. There is an insurrection and a deep partisan divide, and some deep social divides, some that have been with us all along, that were obvious, and some that are old but not obvious. And some problems and circumstances that are so new, we would be looking in the wrong place to stare at the Civil War too long. The biggest differences between then and now are economic and technological. And very big differences indeed.

              Technology changes human existence, both individually and socially, as profoundly as the tools reconfigure our circumstances. Technology is not just stuff like cell phones it also changes to society like industrialization or mass transportation or the ebb and flow of institutions like nation-states themselves. I perceive that we are in a rapidly accelerating world of change and I have no bones about admitting that I think it goes way too fast. I do want to slow it down. Yes. I am skeptical of emergent AGI as just one example. I can think of 20 more things that do not need to go just as fast as international capitalists want them to for their own company bottom lines. Call me old fashioned or cynical or a luddite, say what you want, but I have my own opinions and I will act on them.

              I have explained before that I reject globalism and Trump is the man who carries that flag out front. it’s as simple as that. he may be every bit as flawed as you claim him to be but so long as he is carrying the flag of fair trade to benefit americans over free trade which just benefits the captains of commerce, then he is the man. If he upholds what remains of the Westphalian order and fights the trend of supranational mission creep, that’s welcome. If he improves our immigration regime, to the benefit of Americans, and the better skilled and culturally assimilable migrants, and doesnt just import more low wage workers, then he is welcome. If he keeps us out of hot military conflicts even to the point of de-escalating open war with the PRC & Russia, good. In my book he has delivered to a degree on these things and that’s why he will get my best efforts for a second term.

      2. Showing some true colors there, Kurtz…, and a lack of understanding of neighborhoods in NY.

        1. The only neighborhoods i know are in Queens. I havent been to Manhattan in nearly 2 decades. I dont know where wartberg is from nor do i really care.

          right now the flow of “migrants” in respect of Queens is flowing from there to out here. I suddenly have numerous friends and adding some from Astoria to the ones I already have who’ve relocated from Flushing.

          Just imagine why anybody would want to go from the exciting cultural and social milieu of New York city into a boring locale in Flyover. Well, crime, for one, opportunity, another.
          Less crime, and more opportunity. simple as that.

          As to Trump and her personal attributes, I never met him and i never will. I am not looking to be pals like Herschel Walker is. I just want him to hold them helm and steer it right.
          I am sure he is at least 50% as bad as you all say. I was hoping for 100% but I can settle for 50%. He’s going to need every little bit of naughty he’s got, I am sure.

          1. Sounds like you guys may call each other in the ;morning to make sure you’re not wearing the same colors. That’s cool, we all need heroes.

            Two big, gigantic, humongous fails on the holding the helm & steering right. If you were more familiar with NY, you’d be more familiar with Trump. Seems you’ve gotten your background info from the Apprentice. Truth is, in ’16 there were only a couple neighborhoods in the city where Trump would’ve had a chance of getting on city government let alone be elected president. But your flyover crew still had enough power through the EC to make it happen. And it did happen. No arguments there…

            1. I did watch the Apprentice a few times and liked it. I don’t understand how that relates to the Presidency at all. Your comments about NYC are just over my head. I have admitted I have a very narrow and parochial experience of NYC and don’t claim any authority on the subject. I will listen if anybody wants to inform me.

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