Proud Boys and Antifa Emerge As The Winners From The Presidential Debate

Last night’s presidential debate left many of us in a deep depression over the state of our politics.  Once again, the duopoly of power in this country has reduced a population of over 300 million to two subpar choices. President Donald Trump’s conduct and comments have been rightfully denounced while Biden offered little beyond not being President Trump. There were however two clear and surprising winners last night: Proud Boys and Antifa. 


When pressed by moderator Chris Wallace on why he has not been more clear in calling for Democratic mayors and governors to crackdown on rioting (including the use of the National Guard), Biden simply said that he was not the president. However, not only is that irrelevant, Biden has been forceful in calling for other actions on these protests and other issues like the pandemic despite his private citizen status. Yet, the most notable aspect of his exchange with Wallace was his reluctance to denounce Antifa.  Instead, Biden referenced FBI Director Christopher Wray’s statement that Antifa was more of a movement than an organization. Biden simply dismissed the question with “Antifa is an idea, not an organization.” It was a telling and inaccurate statement.

We previously discussed Wray statement.  Wray was adamant: “Antifa is a real thing. It’s not a fiction” and, while it is not a conventional organization as opposed to a movement, they have arrested people who admit that they are Antifa.”

testified in the Senate on Antifa and its history of violence on our campuses and streets. As I have written, Antifa is indeed more of a movement than a specific organization, but it has members and associated groups. Indeed, it has long been the “Keyser Söze” of the anti-free speech movement, a loosely aligned group that employs measures to avoid easy detection or association.  Wray stated “And we have quite a number — and I’ve said this quite consistently since my first time appearing before this committee — we have any number of properly predicated investigations into what we would describe as violent anarchist extremists and some of those individuals self-identify with Antifa.”

I have repeatedly emphasized that extreme right groups are also responsible for recent violence and Wray made clear that far right violence still dominates in terms of a threat profile.  Moreover, I have opposed declaring Antifa a terrorist organization.  We have ample laws to deal with such extremist violence from the far left or far right. We do not need to rely on terrorism laws or most recently suggested sedition laws. Yet, Antifa is more than some “idea.” The Antifa Handbook discusses how it uses an association of groups, including self-identified Antifa groups, to carry out attacks on critics and those with opposing views.

My greatest concern is that we need to take Antifa seriously as a virulent anti-free speech organization.  There is a fair criticism of some politicians who have refused to denounce the group or even support it.  Former Democratic National Committee deputy chair Keith Ellison, now the Minnesota attorney general, once said Antifa would “strike fear in the heart” of Trump. This was after Antifa had been involved in numerous acts of violence and its website was banned in Germany. His own son, Minneapolis City Council member Jeremiah Ellison, declared his allegiance to Antifa in the heat of the protests this summer.

During the recent hearing, Democratic senators also refused to clearly denounce Antifa and falsely suggested that the far right was the primary cause of recent violence.

Biden continued this bizarre reluctance of Democratic leaders to denounce Antifa, which includes specific groups like Rose City Antifa. It is not just “an idea.” It is a collection of groups, including self-identified Antifa groups, that carry out violence against those who oppose their anti-free speech agenda.

Antifa received a huge boost from Biden’s equivocal response. It wants to be dismissed as “an idea” while organizing violent protests and rioting.  That is precisely what it got last night with Biden’s remarks.


Perhaps the most disturbing statement of the evening was President Trump response to Wallace on denouncing white supremacy and actions of far right groups.  It should have been an easy question and answer, but Trump seemed to struggle to avoid an outright condemnation.

When pushed Trump declared “Sure, I’m willing to (tell them to stand down), but I would say almost everything I see is from the left wing, not from the right wing. I’m willing to do anything. I want to see peace.”   Wallace and Biden pushed back and Trump said “Who would you like me to condemn?” Biden could be heard twice saying, “Proud Boys.” Trump responded “Proud Boys — stand back and stand by. But I’ll tell you what. I’ll tell you what. Somebody’s got to do something about Antifa and the left because this is not a right wing problem.”
The statement for The Proud Boys to “stand by” thrilled the extremist group.  The group even shared a new logo online that included the phrase “stand back and stand by.”

The President has struggled after his statement that there were many fine people on both sides in Charlottesville.  The President has maintained that he was not speaking of the extremists but the debate of the preservation of historical statues. However, he has repeatedly equivocated in such comments about far right groups. Last night was in my view far more serious than the Charlottesville statement.  The President has offered an alternative meaning of his line of Charlottesville and he did contemporaneously denounce the violence on both sides. However, here was an opportunity to clearly denounce the far right violence and instead he told them to “stand by.”

As I stated in my earlier testimony, far right groups have historically been more lethal in past attacks and indeed there is some evidence of far right groups fueling violence after the George Floyd killing.  Antifa has also been involved in the violence.  Both should be denounced, but the Democratic candidate equivocated on Antifa while the Republican candidate equivocated on Proud Boys. The implications could not be more precarious for the country.  As our divisions deepen and anger rises, both politicians are playing a dangerous game in currying favor with extremist groups on the left and right. By not clearly denouncing such groups, these politicians give them legitimacy or help them evade responsibility in their actions.

George Washington University student Jason Charter has been charged as the alleged “ringleader” of efforts to take down statues across the capital. Charter has been an active Antifa member on campus for years. Following his arrest, he claimed the “movement is winning.” It is winning. It is winning mostly since people remain silent. Silence kills free speech. Antifa knows that.

The same is true for The Proud Boys and other far right groups like Boogaloo. They do not want or need support. They need the silence and passivity of the public and those in power.

That is why the great winners last night were The Proud Boys and Antifa.

564 thoughts on “Proud Boys and Antifa Emerge As The Winners From The Presidential Debate”

  1. Biden had his own share of lies last night. One amazing one that he nearly got away with was “Roe V Wade is on the ballot.”

    No Joe, it is a Supreme Court case from the 70s. It had 9 votes and was never on any ballot. Nor is it now. Nor are there any cases on certiorari that are even close to being able to reverse it

    Trump nailed him on that. It was no mistake– Biden is scaremongering to try and whip up the feminist activists to a frenzy. That is a fail, they apparently know our system better than him.

    Neither is the confirmation of Amy Coney Barrett on the ballot. That was a 2016 election fated outcome.

    1. Kurtz, back in the day I wore a do rag under a fedora and rose colored john lennon shades.

      i can see you’re acquainted with your own kind of rose colored shades.

      1. Bug, see if you can find a valid ballot with “overturn roe v wade” question on it anywhere in the nation.

        You can scan a copy up to the internet and link it here and I will send $50 as a losing bet that you can not.

        What Joe said was literally false and figuratively too. Roe V Wade is not on the ballot and neither is Barrett’s confirmation.,

        SCOTUS appointments coming after RBG’s replacement would be validly said to be “on the ballot” indirectly through the POTUS election but at this time that was just false.

        Now as for me I don’t wear hats, except in winter, and when i wear sunglasses I wear nondescript ones with polycarbonate lenses in case the shooting breaks out. I would never wear those goofy John Lennon style glasses, those are for pinkos.

        1. Cool pinkos you elitist you.

          Roe vs. Wade and the ACA do seem to be in the crosshairs though, Kurtz. You’ve been advocating for just that on this blog for awhile, so while it literally won’t be printed on the ballot and you can criticize that proofreading error, they are functionally on the ballot. …

          And you want them there.

        1. CNNLOL!!!!


          your poor bug. Someone should put you out of your misery and take a shoe to you


          1. What was your comment intended to do? “put someone down”. That is you. You can dish it out but you can’t take it.

            You can use the word racist but you don’t know what the word means and you use it without proof. There is proof that based on your standards you are a racist and you support violent action. You have a lot of problems addressing what is happening in the country and you really don’t care about those black children killed in Chicago every weekend.

            1. You’re the one who responded to a video of news fact-checking with a photo of an overweight woman because you dislike the person who posted the fact-checking video.

                1. Yet another insult from you.

                  You say that news fact-checking belongs in the trash, but you haven’t shown that the journalist was wrong.

                    1. There you are aside from being a racist you are a body shamer. You are an awful person and dumb as well.

                    2. Allan, you are an awful person and dumb as well. You support a racist President who is also a body shamer.

  2. Last week I saw an “idea” smash a police officer in the head with a baseball bat, the “idea” shot and killed a man because he believed him to be a President Trump supporter, the “idea”also has a website telling you what they’re about. For the benefit of Joey B the “idea” doesn’t like Democrats either, they’re pretty well organized and someone is funding this “idea”.

    As a Trump supporter I was not impressed with his performance and hope he works a bit a harder for future debates. I will none the less vote in person for him because the “new” Democrat party will destroy this nation as we know it. No I don’t want to fundamentally change her, it’s the corrupt politicians who need change.

    I also want to know when will the Strozck’s and Comey’s answer for their conduct?

    1. Comey testifies today.

      DNI has confirmed Hillary cooked up Russia-gate. The answer is why did the FBI take the bait and run with it. Defalcation of office and corruption I think but let’s give Comey a chance to explain

      1. Did Hillary “cook up” the multiple guilty pleas and convictions of Trump’s campaign members? Did Hillary “cook up” Trump’s lying and obstruction of justice? Did Hillary “cook up” the conclusions of American Intelligence officials that Russia did help Trump cheat?

        All of this is a ham-handed attempt to deflect away from Trump’s incompetence, arrogance and narcissism on full display last night. The rest of the world is in shock and awe that this fool has not been removed from office.

        1. What a silly and ignorant comment especially with the recent releases from the Senate and the FBI that have been kept secret. How can one be so ignorant of this information?

        2. To this Anonymous, you guys have to ad an A or B to your handles it’s hard to know who’s who without a score card. To the radical Anonymous I believe the convictions had to do with process crimes nothing to do with Russia, Russia, Russia. As for Hillary my friend to think she is not behind many of the devious deeds, really.

          I’m also going to count you as a vote for President Trump because your comments about the man are so kindly? Not.

      2. I think John Brennan is the link. Brennan likely used CIA “assets” to set up Papadopouos, an then Brennan got Harry Reid (who was as a retiring Senator was viewed as “expendable”) to ask Comey to begin an investigation. Brennan is the point person in the Obama Admin who got the ball rolling, and the depth of his criminality has yet to be revealed.

      3. False claim on the DNI confirmation. He retreaded material that was cut from the Senate intelligence investigation and even admitted in his release that it couldn’t be 100% confirmed.

        In other words, he’s doing the job he was appointed for: lying for Trump.

        1. see how easily you reject the findings of the “intelligence community?”

          and yet when trump did it he was “putin’s stooge.” so whose stooge are you today, by your own standards?

          Hillary played the FBI like a fiddle. She is a truly impressive politician. Her cunning is boundless., I find it amazing that all the Dems could come up with to fill her shoes was Biden

          1. Not the world’s biggest Biden fan here, Kurtz. But, it does seem a moment for him to come in and provide a level of calm that’s desperately needed. And he’s kicking Trump’s butt.

            As far as rejecting the findings of the IC, I think the IC rejected the information itself on this one. I’m one for sources with multiple vetting approval…, what happened with the DNI yesterday didn’t have it.

            1. i regret to say that biden proving he can stand up there for 90 minutes and duke it out was an accomplishment for him

              he was not even close to “kicking trump’s butt” but I would say, probably trump underperformed expectations, and biden outperformed them

              it’s not clear at this time how the issues they addressed, to the extent they did, however unartfully, but its not clear how the issues will net out come november

              I think we are going to be in for a lot of uncertainty at least a week until after election night. the system will do its work, the courts will hear a hundred beefs, I am sure, but biden made a strong point when he said, and I paraphrase, that when the electoral college votes, that will be the end of it and Trump WILL accept that result, whether he says so or not.

              I thought that was a good and responsible thing to say, because some nutjobs have been projecting fantasies that Trump will board himself up in the whitehouse and take the staff hostage or something. that is a twisted notion that is pure scaremongering and biden scored a point by NOT going down that stupid path that I have seen floating around on the internet like a turd in the punchbowl.

              before the electoral college votes however, there are going to be a lot of disputes. we can all prepare ourselves for that emotionally. the fast results of previous elections are obviously not going to be forthcoming with this one. but when the EC votes, yes, it WILL be over.

    2. That’s my stance, too. These ‘ideas’ are causing an awful lot of destruction for figments that supposedly may or may not exist. I agree that Trump tanked, but I am never voting for a Democrat again, and overall I’ve been pretty happy with Trump’s accomplishments thus far. If the equally elusive ‘classical Liberals’ would like to find their spines and form a sane party of their own, because let’s face it – the radicalization of the DNC is fairly complete and it is insanity – I might consider supporting them.

      1. The outcome of the debate will be counted in small numbers. Who won or lost more in the crucial states is what counts, not the total of impressions made.

  3. Trump is a sociopath.

    “The President Is a Sociopath. And 60 Million Americans Like It.”

    Nick Carmody JD, MS Psych:
    “1. If Trump is so pathologically disordered that he can’t condemn inhumane/unethical/immoral people b/c they “like him”…that alone makes him unfit.
    “2. They “like him” b/c they see aligned interests/commonality
    “3. Racism is the currency he uses to purchase narcissistic supply.”

    That captures a lot of it: Trump won’t condemn white supremacists because he’s a narcissist and they support him. That concept of “narcissistic supply” is new to me but really fits. Trumpt doesn’t care that white supremacy endangers the country, as long as they feed his narcissism.

    The Proud Boys are already selling T-shirts with their logo and the words “Stand Back and Stand By.”

    Mike Baker (NYT): “The Proud Boys are ecstatic tonight about getting mentioned in the debate tonight. ‘Trump basically said to go f*ck them up! this makes me so happy,’ writes one prominent Proud Boy.” (this contains an image of Proud Boy tweets)

    Even Trump a supporter like Rick Santorum admits that Trump won’t condemn white supremacists because they support Trump:
    Santorum: “[Wallace] was asking the President to do something that he knows the President doesn’t like to do.”
    Gloria Borger, CNN: “Which is?”
    Santorum: “Which is: say something bad about people who support him. Right?”
    Borger: “What, declining violence?”
    Santorum: “Well, talking about [Alexrod, overlapping: “white supremacy”], yeah, the white supremacists, number one.”
    video here:

    I hope Trump is defeated overwhelmingly.

    1. You should know that the former mouthpiece of the socalled alt right Richard Spencer has sincerely endorsed Biden

      Occasionally i find that Richard has something useful to say but in this instance I disagree.

      I will give you a few reasons why a racist like Richard Spencer may favor Democrats:

      1. they support abortion and planned parenthood which have a differential impact on black fertility. in fact, this is probably the single most important reason that some white people may support Democrats more often than people suspect.

      2. they believe that Trump has failed to deliver sufficiently on things like deportations of illegal immigrants. It’s true Trump has cut migration a lot, but they want more. They are withholding support to make their displeasure noticeable.

      3. they question the sincerity with which Trump has criticized plutocracy and suspect that he may just be another Wall Street stooge. in short they make suspect that they will do better financially in their own households under a Democrat. here we can notice, that modern day socalled white racists are probably pretty close to the Southern Democrat segregationists of old, who were voting their perceived economic interests.

      I do not represent these thoughts as my own, simply trying to illuminate how the much hated haters may weight these issues. Perhaps they are less different than the rest of us than we may believe.

      1. Thanks Kurtz, though I have brought up Richard Spencer as an example of a leftist several times I didn’t yet here this statement of his.

        Richard Spencer is a white supremacist. I think he also started the alt right movement which like everything else gets mislabelled.

    1. Dave Wasserman: “In 2016, Trump promised to drain the swamp. Instead, he became the swamp: he let Mitch McConnell and stock-dumping, ultra-far right GOP senators write his entire domestic agenda.”

      Sarah Kendzior: “The reason Trump doesn’t pay taxes is because he is a key part of the so-called ‘deep state’ and ‘DC swamp’ and ‘NYC elites’ that his base claims to despise.”

      1. What a bunch of know nothings.

        Trump lost a lot of money and the tax laws permitted him to use those losses to reduce his taxes. When you earn money on the stock market you pay taxes. When you lose money on the stock market you get a credit. If that weren’t the case one would have to stop buying stocks, building buildings and companies. Needs to be Committed is not aware of the tax laws that were passed before Trump ever got into office.

        1. Allan needs to be committed. He assumes that CTHD isn’t aware of something in order to insult her.

          Tax laws benefit people like Trump who are part of the swampy elite.

          1. Trump had nothing to do with the tax laws. He just followed them. Joe Biden was in Congress for 47 years and did nothing about them and his son raked in money from Russia, China and elsewhere selling America down the drain.

            Who are the big supporters of the democrats. The majority of the billionaires who benefit most from democrat tax policies as well as shipping jobs abroad and replacing American workers in the US with foreign citizens.

  4. Let us just suppose that a group peacefully protests. Meanwhile another group with opposing views peacefully protests right next to the first. Nothing happens.
    If Antifa peacefully protests the Proud Boys can stand around and peacefully protest back. Fair is fair.
    People have the right to defend their homes and property from mobs. Defensive force is authorized.

  5. Antifa has all the appearance of a psy-ops creation by intelligence agencies to thwart a left-wing uprising and to protect the fascistic oligarchy which has destroyed our American government and the opportunism it once offered to workers of any class to move upward. This is the same kind of intelligence tactics the US has succumbed to in all of our wanton disregard for democracy and human rights around the globe. It is now using this propaganda, of which you Professor are aligned with-as evidenced by your weak testimony before Congress and articles like these, to trample any populist movements that expose the lack of representation for “we the people”. Calling it Antifa was a mistake on their part because true patriots on the Left are against fascism. Groups like the Proud Boys compare to Hitler’s brown shirts; and the President is calling on them to stand by. Why? Because the Law prohibits him from sending the National Guard into states which haven’t requested it. Trump is circumventing law by sending in right wing militias to stir up trouble and many policemen who take an oath to protect and serve their communities are organizing with these militias. Trump commits this lawlessness under the banner that he is a “Law & Order President.” That couldn’t be farther from the truth.

    1. Lawlessness is what happened to the Magnificant Mile in Chicago, and on 5th Ave. in Manhattan after their respective Mayors ordered the Police Chief to stand down in the face of leftist rioting. I don’t understand where the rights of the store owners in these districts stand in your notions of law. In mine, they paid their taxes, and are entitled to police protection.

      1. It looks as if Chicago cops aren’t paid to protect businesses and ordinary citizens.

        They are paid to protect their funny looking mayor.

      2. Rippleton is a paid George Soros troll. Their comments above are completely at odds with their gravar profile (see below)

        With the election being so close, expect Soros paid minions to populate all popular websites where public comments are allowed.
        This is war. Bring it



        I’m me, for better or for worse, I am straightforwardly honest. My life revolves around the Bible (and my understanding of it, which is always subject to change) and my hobby is politics. I love my husband, my kids, my family, my friends and my pets.

      1. you can bet that antifa is thoroughly penetrated by informants and perhaps at times even undercovers. usually any sort of “right wing gang” is too

        I suspect the impunity with which antifa has been operating is partly due to the implicit range of action that informants and undercovers often think they have– for good reason

        they are rarely truly “immune” from prosecution but prosecutions are often declined to conceal “methods and sources”

        at times of national stress, the police at every level particularly feds will increase fringe group penetrations across the board

        historically, governments have also used fringe groups to provoke crises strategically. US seems to have done it a few times too. who knows if this is in play at this time or not.

    2. antifa is not a “psyop” it is a series of loosely connected socalled “collectives” espousing anarchist ideology, which is always a criminal ideology by definition that it seeks to abolish law and government. It has a source in the thinking of Bakunin and erstwhile left wing interlocutor of Karl Marx’s. Anarchism had its one chance at government power during the Spanish Civil War in which they made such a mess out of Catalonia, the Communists decided to throw them under the bus.

      In the 70s it became resurgent as a counterpoint to the increasingly popular right wing youth movements among the native born working class peoples of Europe one manifestation of which became the English and German skinheads. The “Antiracists” were the antifa of that day and they still use the term. Anti Racist action was a big collective in American “aught” decade and the “Antifa” groups of today are directly connected.

      They are all anarchists and as such seek to use violence to destroy law and order and the state and to intimidate law abiding citizens.

      Democrats have weaponized these cretins to destabilize the US

      There is no comparison between their 100+ days of riot across the big cities, countless acts of crime and violence and looting and arson and assaults on citizens and police, to the piddlying activities of a handful of supposed militia, racists, proud boys, whatever.

    3. You are giving them far too much credit. Antifa are generally speaking a particularly impressionable generation of spoiled, idiot millennials and younger that have been spoon fed bull$%^& for the better part of their lives. Their Svengalis simply took advantage of that fact. I WISH it had anything to do with any matter more substantial than that. It doesn’t. It is the height of cowardice and the abdication of responsibility and sense that the Dems have jumped off the cliff with them, even if it *only* preserved their image. It is literally impossible to respect, and I trust the modern DNC about as far as I can throw them one-handed. Trump has always been abrasive. If the Dem’s only excuse (and it certainly seems to be) is nothing more than, ‘Well, he did it first!’, I fail to see how they are any more worthy of power than the Baby Bolsheviks they continually turn a blind eye to.

      Also, as someone that has actually dealt with white supremacist groups in real life, not on the internet or within the confines of my own imagination, I would *love* some evidence of one of these supposed ‘militias’. Those of us that know that idiocy know that idiocy. They ain’t a factor in any of this.

  6. Suppose that’s one way to look at it, Turley. I tend to think that basically what happened was that a sitting president of the United States behaved like a kid i would’ve sent home from basketball practice at the jr. high level. I’ve coached at the college level briefly, a long time at the high school level, and 5 yrs at the jr. high level. Trump needs to up his level of social discourse to a point where he’d be capable of rejoining group activities. As of last night, he doesn’t meet that criteria.

    1. Truth be told, Trump would’ve been asked to leave a 7/11 or a waiting line at DMV based on his behavior of last night.

      1. 100% different. Yes, Trump forced them to abandon the normal standards they would’ve used in a debate setting — but a parent isn’t on their A game when a kid whines and abusively interrupts and they’re forced to call them on it.

        Since you pose the question, i can tell you relish in the behavior and that it provides something for you in the cultural territory you may consider to be the political sphere…, but what happened in no way rises to to even a level where partisanship, or non partisanship, enters the fray. Basically, trump took off his dirty diapers and wore them on his head last night. His conduct should be seen through the lens of what he needs to do in order to not be removed from social gatherings. Going forward, his mic should be cut when he doesn’t have the floor in the answering of questions.

      2. A simple test for the difference: count how many times each person interrupted.

        Trump interrupted Biden and Wallace over 100 times.
        Now you count how many times Biden and Wallace interrupted and see if it’s different.

        1. Trump showed his add and lack of patience shortcomings last night. Biden was well on his way to answering numerous questions poorly or not at all, and Trump stole his goals away from himself by interrupting Biden overmuch.

            1. He’s plenty capable of it and even more so with the past term which has given him OJT experience. But he does have shortcomings and the lack of patience was on full display

          1. Trump acted like the toddler he is.

            I’m not a fan of Biden, but he’s an adult, and Trump is not.

            If Trump were competent, he’d have done a good job with COVID-19 and would be easily reelected. But he couldn’t do it. His malignant narcissism prevented him from doing it. He doesn’t care. He can’t listen to experts.

            1. I was impressed with the calm under fire that Biden showed during the Democrat primary such as when his now running mate kamala called him a racist and he didn’t react.

              He was far more agitated by Trump the Master Troll such as when he lost his cool and told him to shut up. but he held up pretty well overall. this is one of Biden’s undeniable strengths.

              Now Trump is good under pressure too, but he shows his excitement on his sleeve. There is a sort of class difference there or perhaps an ethnic one. The class difference is that workers like to get worked up and see the heart in action. Trump does that. The guys on constructions crews appreciate his nerve and vigor. But, lawyers or professors, may find Biden’s cooler affect, more congenial.

              on the ethnic side, and pardon me for using generalities but I do when i find them useful: Trump shows his Scots and German ancestry with his belligerence and stubbornness. Biden’s manners are very Anglo Saxon. Which necessarily shows that he is a lace curtain Irish who has successfully absorbed WASP manners when he stays calm and cool. He talks a lot about being Irish but his manners are very waspy overall. I know that some irish ancestry people will read what I have written here, understand it, and not like it very much.

              Perhaps if I am successful I will have offended everyone before I stop talking yet today!

            2. “would be easily reelected”

              He will easily win reelection.

              But the Transition Integrity Project has other ideas.

  7. That is right. professor. Biden dismissed the actions of Antifa that destroyed neighborhoods, killed people, destroyed businesses and job, terrorized others and looted our streets.

    Try not to equate them with the Proud Boys unless you can show them doing the same.

    I can’t figure out what the Proud Boys are. I don’t like any of the violence they were involved with, but many times they appeared to be protecting property and people. At this point I assume they are a mixture but any bad they have done hasn’t equalled any single uncontrollable riot we have seen with Antifa.

    Why Professor do you wish to look at the two as moral equivalents? They aren’t. The Proud Boys have done some bad things. Put them in jail for that but did they take over a police station? Did they burn a residential building with people in it? Did they terrorize cities? Think about it.

    1. You say you can’t figure out what the Proud Boys are, even though you have the internet at your fingertips to look up more information. Perhaps you don’t want to figure out what they are.

      1. It is apparent that you know very little. They had a change in leadership and all the statements seem law abiding. The incident in NYC led to a questionable arrest. I haven’t seen them burning buildings or looting. I haven’t found enough proof on the Internet to prove that the group itself is racist or even acting offensively rather than defensively. I mentioned this sometime back but I have never seen you able to add information on this or any other subject. Everyone else has to provide it for you.

        You are able to Google. You are able to post. You are able to read. But, you are not able to comprehend. That is why you limit yourself to repetition and copying articles that may or may not be on target.

        You make a lot of accusations that are more applicable to yourself than to the ones you refer to.

        1. Multiple Proud Boys have been convicted and sent to prison for violence. Weren’t you able to find the convictions?

          Here, I’ll start you off with two names and you can find many more: Maxwell Hare and John Kinsman, convicted of attempted gang assault, attempted assault and riot.

          You continue to insult. You can’t control it. Seek help.

          1. How many? Were those two involved in Proud Boy activities? So far 2. Take a look at the number of Antifa fellows arrested already and how many were permitted to remain on the streets. We know several PB were arrested in NYC but there are questions involved as to whether they were the guilty party. A handful of PB have been arrested. Look at the streets where robbing and looting is occurring. Are Stupid enough to believe that only 2 people did that damage.


  8. Why should Wallace’s ridiculously out of place question about white supremacists & Trump have been dignified with an answer?

    It was as relevant as Trump asking Wallace whether or not he, Chris, condemns the beating of one’s wife.

    1. It was still a missed opportunity. Trump could have been more emphatic and made a clear statement. “I categorically condemn all groups that advocate white supremacy and violence against Americans.”
      He should then immediately transition to asking Biden to condemn racial separatism, violent Marxists, and anarchists.”

        1. ti317’s point is absolutely valid. A debate is an opportunity to counter a narrative for those that have been led to believe. His response didn’t change any minds.

      1. Trump could have been more emphatic and made a clear statement.

        Here’s the exchange. President Trump’s response was clear but not emphatic. Those of us that support this President didn’t need him to respond beyond that. I don’t believe had he emphatically condemned them that anyone opposing this President would have registered that response as anything more than a lie. By responding as he did, it gave the left-wing media something to spin.

        WALLACE: “Are you willing tonight to condemn white supremacists and militia groups…”

        TRUMP: “Sure…”

        WALLACE: “And to say that they need to stand down and not add to the violence in a number of these cities as we saw in Kenosha, and as we’ve seen in Portland”

        TRUMP: “Sure, I’m prepared to do it, but I would say almost everything I see is from the left-wing not from the right-wing. I’m willing to do anything, I want to see peace…”

        WALLACE: “Then do it, sir.”

        BIDEN: “Do it, say it.”

        TRUMP: “What do you want to call them? Give me a name.”

        WALLACE: “White supremacists and right-wing militias”

        BIDEN: “Proud Boys”

        Trump: “Proud Boys, stand back and stand by. But I’ll tell you what, somebody’s got to do something about Antifa and the left.”

        1. Olly…Thank you :)….I understand what you’re saying, but the fact is Pres Trump could have emphatically and clearly given his answer and they STILL would have said he was lying. He is never going to persuade Never Trumpers of anything he believes….Never. That’s the sad reality.

    2. Good response Cindy especially since you and I are both considered white supremacists by these jerks. We refuse to be forced and threatened into saying black lives matter when we agree whole heartedly with the statement but also agree that all lives matter.

      The truth is we are normal people not white supremacists whose numbers are quite small. Many white supremacists aren’t violent or creating a violent atmosphere. That is not true on the left that is looting and burning our cities.

      1. Right basically Biden says Trump is a racist and as I have been hearing from various Democrat friends for some time now, they consider Trump voters as all racists, too.

        The word racist is now so commonplace it has lost its sting.

  9. Just where does Turley get his claim that “far right extremists” have been more lethal. Apart from Tim McVeigh, there have been far more lethal attacks by leftwing groups in this country. Of course, Turley is too young to remember the sixties and seventies and riots all over America and the attacks on government facilities by groups such as The Weathermen and other radical groups of that period. Yes, some KKK members blew up a few black churches but that was over a half century ago. Emmet Till was killed by two men after he mouthed off to them when they were attempting to put fear in him after he allegedly insulted one of their wives, not by any group. By the way, the various “far right” and fat left for that matter people ARE Americans and they have the same rights as anyone else, including the right to free speech, the right to bear arms, etc. and etc. “White nationalism” and “white supremacisy” are terms invented by the media and politicians. President Trump is EVERYONE’s president and he was right to point out that the current violence is being perpetrated by leftist groups, particularly Antifa.

    1. “Just where does Turley get his claim that “far right extremists” have been more lethal.”

      From government statistics, such as the FBI’s Hate Crime Statistics reports.

      And from testimony, for example, in Congressional hearings this year on Confronting Violent White Supremacy (there have been several hearings, here’s a transcript from one:

    2. I think you have to put a timeframe on the question of whether the left or right indulged more violence. And, you have to also draw some boundaries as to which violence to include. Should the killing of trans men in hookups gone awry be included? How do you classify Islamic terrorism — is that the right or the left? Do you include union thuggery as leftist violence? Are men who are over-controlling of their woman and dole out domestic violence tallied on the right? (that would win the left-right question quickly).

    3. between 85 and 95 socalled “right wingers” probably were more lethal. back then

      now the FBI counts every lone white nut that kills more than two people at once, as a right winger so the statistics are fake news

      if we counted black drug gang criminals as a politically motivated murderers those statistics would reveal a lot more “truth”

      why could we? well how about because they all listen to, spout off, espouse adoration for Malcolm X and assorted other advocates of criminal terror violence aimed at white Americans. That’s why.

  10. Joe Biden hits like a girl; in fact, he doesn’t hit. He swats.
    He was so pathetic as he looked to Chris W. to make that meany Donald stop it.

    And the search continiues for adults in the Democrat Party.

    1. Cindy, the democrat party is filled with incompetent anonymous people (like we have on the blog) that group together to follow the violent ones around cheering them hoping that the violent ones will leave them alone.

    2. Wow. You see Trump acting like a toddler and interrupting in a totally out-of-control way, and your problem is with Biden?

      Biden was the adult there. Trump was not.

      Thankfully, undecided / swing voters recognize that, even if you don’t.

      1. Video shows Biden appears to have been wired. He scratches under his jacket and drags the wire into view when he takes his hand out.

        Why would Biden have a wire under his jacket? Why did Biden refuse an inspection for electronic devices?

        1. “Video shows Biden appears to have been wired. He scratches under his jacket and drags the wire into view when he takes his hand out.”

          we did not watch the debate. I definitely would like to see a video of the wire under his jacket. Would you please provide a link without having to watch the whole debate? thanks

          1. Ted, I posted it to Cindy, but here it is again. I waited until the usual crowd had an opportunity to call me a liar. I notice CTHD didn’t so I assume she found it right away.


          1. The one with lack of credibility says another is not credible. There is no question that Biden’s hand reached under his jacket. That is on video, but anonymous never saw it so she wants someone else to prove it happened.

            Anonymous is a bad joke.

              1. But it is a question. It may be a crease or an artifact, but it looks like a wire. Why did Biden refuse an examination for electronic aids?

                Hillary cheated by getting questions in advance so cheating isn’t out of the question for Democrats. Speaking of, there are already rumors that Biden was also given questions in advance.

                1. Your “question” has been answered. I already gave you a link to the Forbes analysis using a high def photo that shows it to be a crease.

                  There are rumors that Trump was only alert because he snorts Adderall. If you want to chase rumors, go for it.

              2. Brainless, I didn’t say there was a wire. I said you didn’t notice where his hand went. Whether or not there was a wire was something to be determined. You lie.

      2. Biden called the President a Clown and a racist. I won’t bother to repeat his other rants. He lied about his son despite the fact that documentation exists. He was weak but he was able to stand up for the full 90 minutes. We have to give him credit for that but what does that say for you and the left where everyone worried that a Presidential candidate couldn’t make it through 90 minutes.

        You draw your conclusions based on what makes you feel good. I don’t think this debate caused much of a swing in either direction. What might count is how the two candidates act in the next few days.

        1. his dementia problem is in abatement it seems. perhaps it was not as severe as I suspected. i give biden credit for keeping his thoughts together and making effective communication to the audience.

          nonetheless he lied various times about consequential matters and also was rude and uncivil in his own right.

          Wallace, cut Trump off when he was hitting pay dirt several times. I don’t think that was fair. However, Trump really interrupted way too much and there is no glossing over that today. He interrupted Biden several ties when Biden was putting his own foot in his mouth.

          In short somebody needs to ask Trump:

          Why are you interrupting him when he’s making your point for you?

          1. Kurtz, When people start forgetting things much of the forgetfulness is in the present. Biden has a long history of talking his way out of his stupid statements or actions. He has a history of acid responses that are interchangeable. He remembers the patter. The trick is to get him to remember the relevant points for the day and place them into that patter. IF that was the case it was well done by his handlers. Likely he goes through hours of training every day to memorize the relatively few things that are relevant to the present.

          2. “Why are you interrupting him when he’s making your point for you?”
            Intensity of the moment, I suppose. I have seen lawyers make a legal but stupid objection when their adversary was bringing in evidence that was favorable to them but they couldn’t get in themselves. I imagine you have seen it too; probably many times. Sometimes you want your opponent to just keep going.

            1. another mistake easy to make when you are not seasoned is interrupting the judge– never a good idea but often a temptation– or arguing with him even as he is going to rule your way, or belaboring an issue after you get what you want. all these come from eagerness

              judges often make on the one hand and then on the other hand remarks when they are about to make up their minds. usually when they say “one the one hand” the side that’s going to lose gets mentioned first. so you learn to wait for it or roll with it, as it unfolds

              once or twice Wallace was getting started on a question that was good for trump and trump kept interrupting him. im like gosh please let him talk

              of course some people may like Trump’s eagerness and vigor. dick morris said as much today about this

              1. Besides not interrupting the judge it is a good idea to stop talking when he rules in your favor. Trump is eager and hasn’t had court experience. Some people liked his interruptions but the lawyers, including me, not so much. He apparently scored well with Hispanics on Univision so maybe it was okay. It was chaos. I stopped watching after a few minutes. Couldn’t take it. It seemed a waste of time. A girl’s high school gym teacher could have done a better job than Wallace.

                I do think it was a mistake to engage Biden on equal levels. Maybe let him talk while maintaining a benign patronizing smile and then ignore Wallace and say what you want.

  11. ” to a two subpar choices.”

    Professor, Trump is a great choice except perhaps he doesn’t appear Presidential. Clinton may have appeared more Presidential but we are now seeing good evidence that she did not accept the loss of the Presidency and was behind attempts to remove him from office. Do you prefer a seditionist and crook to a man that tweets too much but creates a roaring economy, protects American interests and the interests of its citizens? That should be an easy answer but then you would be in trouble with your fellow academics and maybe your wife and kids would be shunned. We wouldn’t want that, would we?

  12. It is difficult to denounce either Proud Boys or Antifa as organizations. They are concepts, each advocating ideas of ideology and performance. What should be denounced is their taking part in the mechanism of voting through intimidation and taking demonstrating and protesting to the extreme through acts of looting, violence, arson, and the destruction of property. Biden, although he did not clearly identify and denounce Antifa, clearly and more than once denounced looting, violence, arson and the destruction of property. Biden openly and clearly called for a stop to these extreme activities and advocated for law and order. Trump on the other hand openly and clearly called for ‘poll watchers’ and addressed right wing extremists with ‘stand down and stand by’. The only people who can agree with Trump are extremists, extremists of a worse sort than Antifa. To advocate for ‘poll watchers’ to invade what should be a non partisan environment in this contentious atmosphere can only be seen as a threat to democracy. Trump is a blithering idiot, a treasonous threat to the American way of life, and simply must be given his walking papers in November. In Trump’s America, Trump is number one. To make himself look more godlike, Trump played down what was obviously America’s greatest threat, Covid-19 for six weeks and tens of thousands of deaths. Then after allowing the pandemic to escalate Trump continued and continues to play it down, lie about it, and do relatively nothing. Trump’s main response to these facts is that if he had bungled it more; more people would have died or Biden would have done a worse job. Neither Biden nor Trump came off last night looking perfect. However, if anyone still needs convincing that Trump is worse than any virus, they are simply too far ensconced in believing Trump’s lies, and blames to deal with.

    1. “They are concepts”

      Concepts do not have the ability to make and throw Molotov cocktails, Isaac.

      Your severe late stage TDS has completely destroyed what little mental faculties you had prior to his election. But keep it up.

      “Biden openly and clearly called for a stop to these extreme activities and advocated for law and order.”

      Biden clearly stated his support for the “Defund the Police” idiocy during the height of the BLM protests, and then once his people saw that 86% of black American voters opposed defunding the police, he did an about face.

      So, Biden has already staked himself to the Antifa/BLM movement. Trying to walk it back only makes him look like he has Dementia. Because he does have Dementia.

      The Proud Boys are inconsequential compared to Antifa. Average Americans are not afraid of Proud Boy riots, because there are no Proud Boys riots. Whereas Antifa/BLM riots have been running rampant in almost every major city in the country since May.

      Political Science 101. Fear is the greatest motivator. Which is why calling rioters “concepts”, is complete idiocy.

    2. Proud Boys is an organization, and a lawful one

      I still have not seen the proof they are “racists”

      even if they were, hello, one can be a racist and still be a law abiding and tax paying citizen, or a law abiding citizen’s group

      Time has arrived where if all the Republican voters are now racists, then you people have lost the usefulness of your insult

      now when we turn to ANTIFA they are clearly not law abiding their ideology is anarchism which explicitly calls for sedition and overthrow of government and law itself

      there is simply no valid comparison here to be made. I think Turley should quit equating a group he does not like, Proud Boys, with a group that calls for overthrow of government and law as such

      anarchism is a terrorist ideology on its very face. time for you guys to wake up. antifa may be doing street work for Democrats – but they would lynch Democrats too if they could. they are nuts!

    1. Rachael Maddow is not a stupid woman though she sounds so when advocating her positions. Laura Ingraham openly asked to debate Rachael Maddow but Racheal refused. I think she is smart enough to realize that most of her rhetoric is indefensible.

  13. James– “The other day on Twitter *actual* Nazis were praising the ideology of leftist organizations”
    Of course. Nazis are leftists. The name itself derives in part from “Socialist” and “Workers” “Party”.

        1. Nazis were opposed to Communists the same way that rival Mafia gangs fight each other; but both are mafia.

          Antifa tactics today are indistinguishable from Brown Shirt thuggish acts in the Thirties. Intimidation of professors in academia by Nazis is similar to the ruthless intimidation we see in universities today. Communism and Nazism are both totalitarian in ideology. They are essentially the same.

          I am looking at their actions. Antifa is fundamentally Fascist in its actions.

      1. Winston? that’s definitely you. 2+2=5. You see 5 fingers.

        National “Socialist” German Workers Party,

        The actions of ALL Socialist are / have been / will always be the same.

        From Fascism to Communism, you are the NAZIS.

        No amount of blaming others will save your soul.

      2. The ideology developed from the communists. At one time they were all in the same party.

        Learn to read. National Socialists.

    1. Yes, they are. It’s the seemingly willful blindness of people like the good Professor that makes me scratch my head. It’s as if the part of the brain that makes these kinds of distinctions is missing, and that is doubly puzzling for such a fantastic analyst who is fair-minded nearly to a fault regarding ethical law as he.

  14. Out of pure respect for my wife I intentionally didn’t watch the debate live last night because I knew I’d be ripping the skin off my face, screaming uncontrollably at the TV, and probably end up smashing the TV into pieces. I made a promised to myself and my wife years ago to never bring home “those” military parts of me and I intend to keep my promise. My wife and family don’t ever need to see that side of me.

    I went to CSPAN this morning and started watching the video, well actually I was listening to it as I tried to work on some assemblies in my CAD system. I got less than twenty minutes into the debate and I had to turn it off because I couldn’t stand listening to those two politicians going at it without loosing my cool and I couldn’t concentrate on my work. How the hell did the United States fall so far off the rails that we ended up with these two pieces of…… arrrrgh…….. these two politicians debating each other for President of the United States? Seriously; these are the kind of people we are choosing to be in the White House?

    We deserve the crap we get!

    I’ve passed frustration and gone straight to anger!!!

    I’m voting strictly on policy and absolutely nothing else! If I go down the rabbit hole of comparing the two politicians based on anything else I fear it’ll consume me I’ll probably loose it. If I continue to listen to these two politicians over the next month, it’s going to make me physically sick. Maybe they should save a nice quiet padded room for me in the loony bin.

    How many unethical rationalizations did I use above; oh never mind, I just don’t care.

    I’m in a really shitty mood right now, I’ve got work to get done, I’ve need to find a way to get back on track. Maybe writing about it here will allow some release.

    P.S. I had to edit out an overly abundant amount of serious anger based foul language, now I think it’s time for an engineering walk around the plant.

    1. Trump is a sociopath and frequently also acts like toddler. If you ignore that and vote only on policy, it implies that you think sociopathy and maturity don’t matter.

      1. So says the one that on this list is the highest qualifier for sociopath of the year.

        Take note I have more proof that you are a sociopath than there is proof for your contention about Trump. Evidence in your world doesn’t seem to count. You have shown a lack of conscience in the way you report what is happening around the country.

        1. Allan is the person on this list who is the highest qualifier for sociopath of the year. He has shown a lack of conscience. He is abusive.

          1. This sounds more like Anonymous the Stupid than the Brainless Wonder who has been mostly replying. Either way It’s nothing more than a Stupid comment by a Stupid person.

                  1. Allan, you clearly have a hard time telling us apart. If you were honest, you’d accept that. But you prefer to lie to yourself or others and pretend that you can. Trump lies to himself and others too.

                    1. Take note how the pack rats like to hide behind one another and try to pounce as a group.

                      They fail because they are weaklings and Anonymous the Stupid constantly has to change his pants.

                    2. You flatter me. I stand up for what I believe.

                      You assume whatever position you are told.

                      Do you want illegals to get health insurance? Do you want illegals to be granted immediate citizenship?

                1. “Allan behaves like Trump.”

                  Allan thanks Anon for saying this.

                  Most people will realize that it wasn’t a compliment, but not crazy, little Allan.

                    1. You aren’t the complement of Trump, and it wasn’t a compliment either. Didn’t you learn the difference between complement and compliment in school? You choose to call others stupid and brainless while demonstrating your own ignorance.

                    2. Brainless is so proud that she can use a spell checker. That is her evidence that she has a brain. No Brainless that is evidence that you can use a spell checker.

                      However when it comes to discuss the topic at hand anonymous is speechless. That is probably a good thing because she know little of what has transpired over the past 3 plus years. A democratic party that has become radical, racist and anti-American hoping to rip apart American institutions like the Supreme Court and exchange it for a leftist hel.l hold.

                    3. You call me an idiot but you are unable to comment on the Russia Hoax, Biden money from the Russians and Chinese. Why is that? Is it because you don’t know anything? Is it because you are really the idiot? It looks that way because you hide under anonymous and only call people names. Come on, man.

                    4. You are even Stupider than you sound. Anon was pointing to a big gut. Maybe he was pointing at you.

                      What none of you point to are your own intellects.

                      Tell us about Biden corruption, the media’s inability to report the news correctly

                      Do you prefer to talk about the mid east peace deal from Trump

                      How about the Serbia Croatia agreement

                      You guys don’t appreciate peaceful settlements done by Trump because you are warmongers and like to see American children dying on foreign soil.

                  1. Alan thinks someone can use a spell checker to figure out which of two homonyms is correct, when each is spelled correctly. In his quest to insult, he doubles down on his ignorance. Hahahaha!

                    1. Spell checkers do more than spell. it is not difficult to proofread and find inadvertent errors, but for people like you a typing error is a windfall because if you find it you have your insignificant win but at the same time demonstrate how little intellect you actually have.

                      Finding spelling errors. D
                      Discussion Biden corruption F

                      You are a flunky.

                    2. You don’t get it, Allan. You insult people all the time, you’re a hypocrite, you’re dishonest, and I simply want to give you some of your own medicine. I don’t care what you think. You are a flunky. You fail spelling and you also fail discussion of Trump corruption.

                      Don’t worry, I’ll stop at some point, as giving you some of your own medicine is boring, and even just repeating your nastiness back to you is unpleasant. I don’t know how you live permanently with the kind of nastiness you spew.

                    3. You are an insult to most human beings.

                      But you are also Stupid, Anonymous the Stupid.

                      You wish to give me some of my own medicine.

                      What type of medicine do you give for a phony Steele Dossier, a Russia Hoax, and a Ukraine Hoax? Those are the list discussions while you stick to ad hominem.

      2. Antifa are psychopaths, that act like psychopaths, commit.

        So Biden saying that “Antifa is an idea, not an organization.”, was a massive mistake.

        But Biden has no concept of that reality, thanks to his Dementia.

        1. ANTIFA is an idea, just as jihaad against America is an idea. Dangerous ideas!

          And like jihaadists, they have loose affiliations to evade law enforcement, and eschew applying for state charters for their socalled “collectives”

          Joe biden now OWNS the antifa crime rackets., He clearly approves of their violence and anarchy and terroristic intimidation of lawful citizens

      3. I am ever reluctant to interpose a comment in a back and forth like this, but it is my belief that many if not most major leaders of the nations and big corporations and such, actually tend to rate highly on the sociopath spectrum.

        I am not well enough educated in psychology to reckon the validity of this concept of sociopath, but, if I understand the basic notion correctly, well, at times it seems like it must nearly be all of them. If so, then it is a distinction without a difference, perhaps

    2. “Seriously; these are the kind of people we are choosing to be in the White House?”

      The US has been choosing the lesser of two evils for decades, Steve. People always get the leaders that they deserve.

      The last President that we had who was actually a true leader whose primary objective was doing what was best for We the People was Jack Kennedy. But the MIC (that Kennedy’s predecessor clearly warned us about) already had their insurance policy in place in the person of Lyndon Johnson. As soon as they realized that Kennedy was going to actually walk it, like he talked it, they cashed in their insurance policy.

      It has been downhill ever since.

      1. The last President that we had who was actually a true leader whose primary objective was doing what was best for We the People was Jack Kennedy.

        The real John F. Kennedy was a man with a bad case of satyriasis living his father’s dream. He had some assets as a person. His administration was inconsequential.

        ut the MIC (that Kennedy’s predecessor clearly warned us about) already had their insurance policy in place in the person of Lyndon Johnson. As soon as they realized that Kennedy was going to actually walk it, like he talked it, they cashed in their insurance policy.

        Three fantasies in one sentence.

        1. I consider JFK a good president but i disagree that other POTUS since then have not sought the good of the people., They do in their own ways according to political ideology.

          I agree with Rhodes that the military industrial complex or perhaps more narrowly the “intelligence community” filled with schemers like Brennan, or Claptrap, exert too much control outside their formal official duties.

        2. “He had some assets as a person.”

          You’re referring to this as “some assets”?!

          “His administration was inconsequential.”

          Please explain how his administration was “inconsequential” while taking into account that his administration only existed from January of 1961 to November of 1963.

          You are actually claiming that his handling of the Cuban Missile Crisis was “inconsequential”?!

          “Three fantasies in one sentence.”

          Eisenhower’s farewell speech warning about the military industrial complex:

          So you completely whiffed on one alleged fantasy.

          What are the 2 other alleged “fantasies”?

          LBJ was VP, and Kennedy was assassinated. Shortly thereafter Johnson conjured up the Gulf of Tonkin incident, and used it to create a full blown war in Vietnam and institute a draft to feed bodies into that war.

          Do you have any idea how much war profiteering was made available to the profiteers as a result of the Vietnam War?

  15. The most important thing I learned from the debate last night is that I didn’t realize that ‘Antifa’ was just an ‘Idea’.

    1. Exactly. Let’s console the burned-out husks of businesses and neighborhoods with the knowledge that “an idea” burned them to the ground, not an “organization.” I’m sure that will bring a smile to their face and joy to their hearts. Likewise with the terrorized outdoor diners, defiled statuary, looted merchants, and families of assassinated cops. Yes: smiles, unicorns, and rainbows all around. And woe betide anyone who dares defend themselves from the ball bats, bricks, and bullhorns the “idea” carries around while it peacefully infests their communities.

      But yeah, sure, let’s all denounce right-wing violence. THAT’s an organization, not a meek and lowly “idea.” Excuse me while I go puke.

  16. There would be no ” duopoly” of power had not the dems decided, in their leftover rage from 2016, to use brown shirt tactics in a last ditch effort to sustain a failing socialist movement. A movement in the works from the days of Woodrow Wilson but gone a bridge too far with the quizling obama.

    Lay the blame for gutter politics where it has always found purchase; squarely on the shoulders ofAndy Jackson’s rabble.

  17. You have got to be kidding us, Professor. You cannot POSSIBLY be this astute and simultaneously this obtuse. Almost everything, if not *unequivocally* everything – is indeed being instigated by the left. There is little if anything to denounce on the right at present, at least in those terms. The other day on Twitter *actual* Nazis were praising the ideology of leftist organizations. This entire country seems to be under the spell of a mass hallucination. There is literally nothing that can undo the brainwashing of the DNC, is there?

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