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Flynn’s Cadaver Synod: The Court Dismisses A Dead Case But Not Before It Flogs The Corpse

Below is my column in the Hill on the conclusion of the case of Gen. Michael Flynn, which ended (not surprisingly) with one last gratuitous and controversial act from the court.  Judge Emmet Sullivan decided to effectively flog Flynn on his way out of his court.

Here is the column:

Gen. Michael Flynn‘s three-year odyssey in the criminal justice system finally came to an end this week with the long-delayed dismissal of his case in federal court. Ultimately, it took a presidential pardon to compel Judge Emmet Sullivan to release Flynn from the seemingly inescapable vortex of his docket. Yet Sullivan still decided to effectively declare Flynn guilty to the whole world — a final gratuitous act from a court long criticized for using Flynn to criticize President Trump and his administration.

It did not matter that this case has been effectively dead for months. The judge issued an opinion that seemed intent on clearing his reputation by trashing what reputation remains for Flynn. Such a decision ordinarily would outrage civil libertarians. But principles of judicial restraint seem suspended when dealing with anyone associated with Trump.

When prosecutors drop charges, most judges are careful not to offer their own views on an individual’s guilt or innocence. After all, a defendant has no appeal or recourse from such a declaration from the bench. Even in live cases, judges refrain from such commentary until sentencing a defendant. In this case, Sullivan publicly condemned Flynn in a long opinion that should have been one sentence in length. No matter that the case was dead: Judge Sullivan would still render a verdict.

His action in this case has long been controversial and was expressly criticized by appellate judges. It is not, however, unprecedented. Some 360 years ago in England, the body of Oliver Cromwell was exhumed from Westminster Abbey and posthumously chained, thrown into a pit, and then decapitated. Cromwell’s head was put on display and not reburied until 1960. By that measure, Sullivan’s three-year treatment of Flynn seems like a virtual “rocket docket” of justice.

After Flynn’s presidential pardon, Sullivan again was reminded that he was clinging to a dead case. Even with a presidential intervention, Sullivan kept the case open — but he was not the only judge raising eyebrows over it. On Friday, a colleague, Judge Reggie Walton, unexpectedly discussed the merits of the Flynn case in a Freedom of Information Act hearing about releasing documents from special counsel Robert Mueller’s office. Walton held forth on how Sullivan did not have “a lot of options” but could possibly challenge the pardon as “too broad.” That discussion of a pending case before another judge was highly irregular.

Of course, nothing is “regular” about Flynn’s prosecution. For the record, I have been a longtime critic of the Flynn prosecution for various reasons. I will not repeat those reasons here because, frankly, they are immaterial given the status of the case. What is relevant is Sullivan’s record in the case, which has been strikingly improvisational and controversial.

When Flynn first came before Sullivan for sentencing two years ago, it should have been a simple matter for a relatively minor federal crime. While there was tension with Mueller’s staff, Flynn cooperated with federal prosecutors. He was not expected to receive jail time — after all, uncooperative witnesses like Alex Van Der Zwaan received only 30 days in prison on a similar charge. However, Sullivan held a hearing that could best be described as bewildering. He used the courtroom flag as a prop to accuse Flynn of being an “unregistered agent of a foreign country while serving as the national security adviser” and to suggest that Flynn could be charged with treason — crimes not brought against him. Sullivan then declared: “I cannot assure you that if you proceed today, you will not receive a sentence of incarceration. I am not hiding my disgust and my disdain.”

Sullivan apologized for some of his comments but, in two additional sentencing hearings, he continued to refuse to sentence Flynn. Flynn must have felt like Gollum’s “precious” ring. Sullivan simply refused to part with the case. When the Justice Department dropped the charges, the case should have been immediately dismissed. Instead, Sullivan took the extraordinary step of appointing an outside lawyer, John Gleeson, to argue against dismissal of the case. Gleeson is a former federal judge who not only had made public remarks on the case critical of the Trump administration but, as a judge, was reversed for usurping the role of prosecutors.

Sullivan’s conduct led to an extremely rare rebuke from a D.C. appellate panel, ordering him to dismiss the case. At the time, I wrote that the panel should be reversed simply because Sullivan had not issued a final decision. Later the D.C. Circuit reached the same conclusion and, without endorsing Sullivan’s conduct, sent the case back for a final decision. Sullivan then proved the original panel correct and many of us wrong: He again refused to dismiss the case.

In September, Sullivan not only declared that he “still has questions” but asked whether a Biden Justice Department might be able to reinstate the prosecution of Flynn. It was a chilling statement that left the impression of a court delaying justice to “shop” for new prosecutors. He simply was not going to allow Flynn to go free. As when he brought in his own lawyer, Sullivan seemed to many to be turning into a self-contained legal system as accuser, prosecutor and presiding judge.

Months then passed; Sullivan seemed to be awaiting a new administration and a new chance to prosecute Flynn, post-election. In response, Trump pardoned Flynn.

So, on Tuesday, Sullivan decided to skip a trial and just declare Flynn guilty. Claiming, bizarrely, that dismissing the case after charges were dropped by prosecutors was a “close question,” he reluctantly accepted that the pardon meant there literally was no crime to prosecute. Yet, he proceeded to prove the case against Flynn and declared “a pardon does not necessarily render ‘innocent’ a defendant of any alleged violation of the law.” Of course, it also does not mean he is guilty.

Sullivan faced certain reversal if he did not dismiss the case after charges were dropped. While he acknowledged that he is not supposed to “second-guess” charging decisions, he not only substituted his own judgment but issued an effective decision on the merits.

Sullivan’s quasi-verdict is as close to a posthumous execution as we have ever come in this county.

The problem is that Flynn is still very much alive.

At least when Pope Stephen pulled out the dead body of Pope Formosus in the year 897, he gave his predecessor a trial — the “Cadaver Synod.” After being found guilty, three of Formosus’s fingers were severed before his corpse was thrown into the Tiber River.

Judge Sullivan’s modern version of the “Cadaver Synod” thankfully left Flynn’s fingers intact — but I cannot say the same for our judicial system.

Jonathan Turley is the Shapiro Professor of Public Interest Law at George Washington University. You can find his updates online @JonathanTurley.

388 thoughts on “Flynn’s Cadaver Synod: The Court Dismisses A Dead Case But Not Before It Flogs The Corpse”

  1. People not in the Democrat party should be very afraid of liberal “justice”. Guys like Sullivan will support any case brought by the DOJ and any evidence from the FBI even if it manufactured in order to justify the conviction. Kangaroo doesn’t even cover it. Sullivan should be taken off the bench.

  2. General Flynn may be a ‘flogged corpse’…. but he is one ‘flogged corpse’ whose getting the last laugh with Judge Sullivan ….

      1. Flynn is the one who by accepting the pardon implicitly accepted guilt – see Burdick v US.

          2. Thanks Commit. Convincing discussion and I stand corrected.

            I was wrong. Accepting a pardon does not imply acceptance of guilt.

        2. Comrade Friday:
          That’s just bull shark. Flynn’s pardon was for “any and all possible offenses arising from the facts set forth … or that might arise, or be charged, claimed or asserted” from special counsel Robert Mueller’s Russia Investigation.” The government conceded it didn’t have the evidence to prove Flynn ‘s guilt beyond a reasonable doubt to the charges in the indictment.. Flynn was pardoned because the trial judge was bizarre and likely prosecutor shopping.

  3. Flynn’s confession was like Galileo’s–Forced and False.

    The DOJ, and parts of the judiciary, seem to have lots of eager little Torquemadas eager to embrace their victims in the modern version of an Iron Maiden.

    1. Flynn was not forced to accept the pardon, and by Burdick v US, accepting it is acknowledgement of guilt. That’s 3 times now.

      1. It’s an acknowledgment that Sullivan and the Biden DOJ are criminals who can’t be trusted to do justice. The acceptance of the pardon was done under duress and implies nothing.

        1. Sorry William but the SC says it does mean something and you’re just right wing Joe Blow on the internet. When he accepted the pardon he accepted his guilt – again.

          1. You don’t understand the difference between dicta and the holding.

            I think mespo is right; you are Russian troll and your comments make it clear that Russia prefers Comrades Biden and Kamala over Trump. Thank you for that input.

        2. William– I agree. Sullivan passed on a pardon when he thought he would get a fair hearing in some court. He accepted it only when Sullivan disgracefully began to channel Judge Freisler. A pardon accepted under duress no more imputes guilt than a confession given under duress.

          1. Exactly right, and I understand that “Sullivan” in the first line should be “Flynn”.

      2. Comrade Friday:
        Quit playing Holiday Inn Express lawyer. You’re bad at it and your grasp of the law harkens to a 7-year-old. “It’s says so, it says so” No it doesn’t in this context. What a poorly trained Russian troll you are.

  4. Sullivan’s conduct led to an extremely rare rebuke from a D.C. appellate panel, ordering him to dismiss the case. At the time, I wrote that the panel should be reversed simply because Sullivan had not issued a final decision.

    And you were wrong.

      1. That is kind of silly. You don’t have to be macho to acknowledge you were wrong.

        You simply have to be honest.

        There is no special kudos for acknowledging mistakes. It is what honorable men do of course.

        Somebody who isn’t wrong once in awhile isn’t reaching full length and giving us his best.

        By contrast, Sullivan isn’t wrong in his mind, ever, and he is despicable.

        1. Sullivan right. By the SC in Burdick v US, Flynn just admitted his guilt for the 3rd time.

          1. He lacks personal knowledge in regard to one element of the crime, so he’s not competent to admit that he’s guilty of the crime charged.

            1. Flynn wasn’t competent to admit guilt? What element of the crime did he lack personal knowledge of?

                1. It’s not hard to understand that the false statements were material to the investigation, and if he didn’t understand why they were material, he could and should have asked before pleading guilty.

        2. Sullivan: the ends justify the means
          Democrats: the ends justify the means
          Fascists: the ends justify the means

            1. This time I will answer because I feel sorry for an oafish individual who is totally out of his element.

              “Allan: the ends justify the means”

              One would have to say that makes you a Fascist. When Hitler killed the Jews he justified doing so for preserving the Aryan race. The eugenists in the US felt the same way though their ends were slightly different. What you should have said is there are times the ends justify the means because that statement would be true (sometimes).

              You just don’t have the knack to think critically.

              1. Anonymous I saved up a few responses to demonstrate that you are non responsive to substance. You can only dabble in your petty low type of response. Here again there was no response to substance.

                I suppose three strikes and your out left with the your being portrayed as an ignorant coward who cannot respond on substantive points.

  5. Judge Sullivan correctly ruled:

    “”A pardon does not necessarily render ‘innocent’ a defendant of any alleged violation of the law. Indeed, the Supreme Court has recognized that the acceptance of a pardon implies a ‘confession’ of guilt.”

    Burdick v US in 1915 established that principle and so we can all correctly assume as adjudged fact that Flynn is guilty. If he didn’t want that label, he could have turned down the pardon and faced Sullivan and the court to try and clear his no tarnished name.

    That’s the fact, Jack.

        1. A presumption or assumption is not a settled fact in law. If it were Sullivan wouldn’t have written 43 pages of self-serving blather to try to make his point.

          If he really believes it I look forward to his saying it outside the sanctuary of court.

          Harry Reid, for example, was careful to always lie about Romney’s taxes from the Senate floor where he could not be sued for them. Later he admitted he lied but boasted that it worked. He wasn’t even ashamed to be seen as dishonorable. That is the type of scoundrel we have in government these days.

  6. California had 31,983 new cases yesterday.

    Maybe Newsom doesn’t understand the science as well as he thought.

    1. Tell us about the deadliest CV spot in the world this week Young – the Dakotas. You must be very proud.

      1. Look at the deaths per million stats. Blue Connecticut is higher than both Dakotas. Michigan is close.

        Somebody is feeding you bs soundbites and you poop them out again.

        Russian troll.

        1. My bad Young, that was 3 weeks ago.

          “BISMARCK, N.D. — North Dakota’s COVID-19 mortality rate is not only the highest in the nation but also in the world, according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention….”

          1. Did you wonder why the CDC hurried to publish something they thought reflected poorly on the Dakotas but had nothing to say about Cuomo’s murderous policies that led to thousands of deaths?

            They are politicized and, lately, not very good at their job.

      1. Don’t suggest that you have the wit to debate young. You haven’t demonstrated it to date and you never will.

  7. Judge Sullivan wrote a shameful, biased, and wholly improper 42-plus page screed that should have been a simple, plain, impartial single paragraph, devoid of any puerile motives. Judge Sullivan should be ordered to take 1,000 hours of legal ethics courses to be completed over a 3-year time period, with closed book exams as a condition of remaining a member of the Bar.

  8. Bad news for advocates of medical procedure masks with ear loops in today’s edition of JAMA Internal Medicine. They have a FFE of 38.5%.

    FFE = fitted filtration efficiencies

    https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2774266

    Evaluation of Cloth Masks and Modified Procedure Masks as Personal Protective Equipment for the Public During the COVID-19 Pandemic

    Unmodified medical procedure masks with ear loops had a mean (SD) FFE of 38.5%

    In this comparative study of face covering FFEs, we observed that consumer-grade masks and improvised face coverings varied widely, ranging from 26.5% to 79.0% FFE. Modifications intended to enhance the fit of medical procedure masks improved FFE measurements from 38.5% (unmodified mask) to as much as 80.2%.

    Meaning Simple modifications can improve the fit and filtration efficiency of medical procedure masks; however, the practical effectiveness of consumer-grade masks available to the public is, in many cases, comparable with or better than their non-N95 respirator medical mask counterparts.

    1. There’s good news mixed in, “Simple modifications can improve the fit and filtration efficiency of medical procedure masks; however, the practical effectiveness of consumer-grade masks available to the public is, in many cases, comparable with or better than their non-N95 respirator medical mask counterparts.”

      If I were Trump, I’d pay for ads to help the public understand how to make their masks optimally effective. But we both know he won’t do that. Hopefully Biden will.

        1. Infowars sells some stuff called Super Male Vitality & Super Female Vitality.

          Handle with care though as you may have to run away from your wife of girl friend. 🙂

          1. Comrade Oky,

            can you get the word to Alex Jones– the people can rebel nonviolently, and effectively, by boycotting taxes?

            Give it a try. the idea is catching fire!

            Saloth Sar

            1. I don’t know the schedule but as I understand it there are multiple Pro USA & Trump Rallies going on starting tomorrow, Saturday the 12th & Sunday in DC & there maybe other such events in local state capitals.

              Keep & Pass on to others just who those American Hating Commie/Nazi Types are.

              1. OKy1, you’re the American hating commie clown here. You should move someplace where they already throw out the votes when they lose and just name the president. You wouldn’t have to put up with all those other Americans who are the majority and who you have said you hate. Biden counties = 70% of US GDP. Do the math on how much your sorry a.s counties produce.

                By the way, take Kurtz with you. Try Russia comrade.

                1. Russia is not a bad place to live. If you don’t mind the cold, the dark, and the abundance of alcoholics.

                  Don’t worry about Russian elections. Russians can worry about their own business. Worry about American elections. They’re the big farce and everyone can see it.

                  After CIA and other assorted federal spooks having manipulated elections in many foreign nations over decades, the chickens have now come home to roost.

                  There is a way we can resist nonviolently and it is now a moral imperative:

                  DO NOT PAY YOUR INCOME TAXES

                  Saloth Sar

                  here are excellent resources from anti-war tax objectors:

                  https://nwtrcc.org/resist/how-to-resist/

            2. Anon,

              I suggest everyone not be stupid & pay the taxes the govt claims people owe.

              There are many other non-violent ways to protest without giving the govt an easy reason to screw people over.

              Soon enough things will likely collapse this govt anyway and then????

              I don’t know what it looks like but as others & I see current events, Trump or Biden, this country has collapsed.

              Hell just look at the Flynn case, Roger Stone Case, the Commie/Nazi Dem/Rino Party… it’s over.

              Tomorrow is a new day, I’ll see what it looks like then.

              1. If I wasn’t a zonspricy realist I’d no doubt want to do another spell check for errors & such.

                And lookie there that one seems to change the meaning completely round.

                Typo Correction:

                >> Oky1 says:
                December 10, 2020 at 8:58 PM <> Anon,

                I suggest everyone not be stupid & “Not pay” the taxes the govt claims people owe. Pay Your Taxes the Govt Says You Owe!

                There are many other non-violent ways to protest without giving the govt an easy reason to screw people over.

                Soon enough things will likely collapse this govt anyway and then????

                I don’t know what it looks like but as others & I see current events, Trump or Biden, this country has collapsed.

                Hell just look at the Flynn case, Roger Stone Case, the Commie/Nazi Dem/Rino Party… it’s over. This nation can’t even run an honest election.

                Tomorrow is a new day, I’ll see what it looks like then. <<

            3. BTW: There is a very Easy & Legal way I think to not owe their illegal income tax. Just don’t work & earn money!

              They can’t make you pay on what you didn’t earn yet have they?

              Has anyone seen what a real protest looks like, 250 people went out to the streets on a nationwide strike the other day.

              1. Oops, typo:

                Has anyone seen what a real protest looks like, 250 Million people went out to the streets on a nationwide strike the other day.

                1. Damn…

                  Oops, typo:

                  Has anyone seen what a real protest looks like, 250 Million people in India went out to the streets on a nationwide strike the other day.

            4. I’m not sure where people can find a fair report on these 2 people but the point is made what the govt can do if you play the tax protest game you suggest Anon.

              “CONCORD, N.H. — A man up for resentencing this month over a monthslong armed standoff with U.S. marshals in 2007 to protest a tax evasion conviction says he should be sentenced to the 13 years he has already served.

              Edward Brown, 78, was sentenced to 37 years in prison after the standoff at his fortress-like home in Plainfield, New Hampshire. His wife, Elaine Brown, received a 35-year sentence, but a judge decided in January she could be released after serving over 12 years. She is seeking a divorce. Edward Brown is scheduled to be resentenced Sept. 29 in federal court.”

              https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/tax-protester-2007-standoff-requests-time-served-sentence-73116497

            5. Rebel against what Kurtz? getting your ass kicked in the election.

              F..kin snowflake is too weak to even face the music from a bunch of anonymous posters he’ll never see in real life.

            6. Saloth

              When the feds indict you, let me know. I can refer you to some excellent Attorneys in the Chicago area who do what I do.

              1. There are many lawful ways to avoid taxes, as Oky said, the most obvious one being going on strike. IE, refusing to work.

                The “General Strike” was an effective tool in many historical dramas. It is true this was a “communist” tactic but “communists” do not have a monopoly on effective tactics.

                There are also such simple and lawful means as filing a series of extensions.

                Then for those who are strong and bold, there is heroic defiance of our immoral, billionaire controlled regime, with open denial

                Many valid ideas are elaborated here for those who are interested in joining this noble struggle:

                https://nwtrcc.org/resist/how-to-resist/

                As for myself, I have been a lawyer long enough to know what my old dead mentor told me in my youth: “if the feds want to get you, nothing you can do will stop them.”

                Saloth Sar

              2. Don,

                One of my Chicago law heroes the great Eddie Vyrdolyak, was recently sentenced to prison for tax evasion.

                The “powers that be” never forgave Eddie for opposing Harold Washington, the first black mayor of Chicago, whose disastrous tenure nearly destroyed the city. They hounded him for many decades. He succeeded, always in spite of the financial powers, and always with the help of the working people. He is a great man and now they’re sending him to prison on their overcomplicated, overblown alleged evasion. This proves the point that they can get anybody, eventually, regardless.

                And yet perhaps we were unfair to Harold: the current black mayor, “Lori Lightfoot,” makes Harold Washington look like he did a swell job.

                Oppose the federal tyrants, the pawns of the billionaires, and their state government and bureaucratic minions, with the easiest and most effective way possible: do not pay income taxes at all, in nonviolent protest against their many wicked schemes.

                Saloth Sar

        2. Yeah, Estovir, you have nothing constructive to add to this discussion. You never do. You’re just a drag on these threads.

          1. Aninny:
            “Yeah, Estovir, you have nothing constructive to add to this discussion. You never do. You’re just a drag on these threads.”
            *********************
            Oh I’d say one estovir as our best health care provider commenter is worth more than 50 aninnys. Skanky, annoying, know-little chicks with lots of open Saturday nights aren’t really in high demand. Sorry.

            1. Yeah, like mespo has had any in the last decade. Probably can’t see his shoes …. or anything else.

              1. Frisky Fish:
                Sounds like you’ve got an open dance card, too. I’m out most every Saturday night and with the same woman and usually the same Italian restaurant. OMG! Oh and the shoes are John Lobbs. You can come over and shine ‘em some time.

                  2. You are an incredible prick Aninnyblow. I feel sorry for your female companion. That is of course if any would even approach you.

                2. “the shoes are John Lobbs. You can come over and shine ‘em some time.”

                  You have very expensive taste in shoes. So I wouldn’t let Joey Friday and his crappy shinebox anywhere near them.

                  Barry Obama could put a high shine on them thanks to all of his practice as a Wall Street shineboy.

                  But he’s retired now.

                  1. Rhodes:
                    Well given aninny’s bootlicking proclivities, I’m guessing she could put a real shine on ‘em like Willy Nelson famously said in Electric Horseman like “one of them keno girls who could take the chrome off a trailer ball.” Lol

                    1. I go for Merrills myself, but hey, I work for a living and actually walk farther than from the table to the valet. Dollars to donuts they’re more comfortable and will last longer than your tassled loafers.

                    2. Comrade Joe:

                      You oughta invest in some Cossack dancing boots given your scrambling around here trying to hide the manifest signs of ignorance. Hey!

                    3. Comrade Friday:
                      “I go for Merrills myself, but hey, I work for a living and actually walk farther than from the table to the valet.”
                      *******************
                      Merrills? Never heard of them. Must be Russian. Or do you mean Merrells for hiking or Meermin dress shoes from Spain. Either way, you ought to stick to off the rack.

                      Pro tip: When being snide it really helps to be accurate.

                    4. I wear Bruno Magli’s when clients come, nod to OJ of Bruno Magli loafer fame, and docksiders when they do not, and Doc Martens boots on the weekend when we hunt. Docs are a big favorite of the workers now for decades. I may be shaving head soon as baldness sets in.

                      Saloth Sar

                3. Good for you mespo, but then what explains your acting like a player who has any idea how to score a date?

            2. If Mespo is looking to Estovir for health advice, then his news is coming from Alex Jones.

              1. The problem, marblehead is that Estovir quotes from legitimate medical journals. You have something against him that perhaps I haven’t seen. He responded intelligently to my question with references.

                You demonstrate a mind that fails to work.

      2. “If I were Trump, I’d pay for ads to help the public understand how to make their masks optimally effective.”

        Delusions of grandeur are starting to show. You aren’t very bright. I am sure shortly we will be finding such methods on the net.

        1. So you don’t want Trump to something easy to help save lives. Unsurprising for a Trump supporter.

  9. Spencer Ackerman (Daily Beast):
    “106 Republican congressmembers and 18 Republican attorneys general are insisting that a presidential election ought to be invalidated because their party lost. It’s being treated as no big deal because they won’t win rather than the harbinger of constitutional collapse it is. It took the Roman Republic 100 years to fall. These waters rise like that. Trump is the product of those rising waters, not the cause of them, and he won’t be the last, especially if this is treated as a temper tantrum or pathetic farce.”
    https://twitter.com/attackerman/status/1337146519452086272

    If you want to know who those 106 Republican members of Congress are, they’ve submitted an amicus brief. All of the docket files are here:
    https://www.supremecourt.gov/search.aspx?filename=/docket/docketfiles/html/public/22o155.html

    I expect that SCOTUS will either choose not to hear the case or will soundly rule against Texas to make a point.

    1. Your title here is as pompous and full of air as your pathetic self-serving posts. The word “honesty” in your title implies you have some inherent relationship lacking in those who disagree; you’d not recognize honesty if it if fell on your head and bit your nose off. Instead, your fool’s errand is to lie first, obfuscate second.

      You and your demonkrap type must envy the Pope Turley refers to above.

      1. Princess, you’re not even a woman. You’re just our nerdy loser of a troll using one of his ‘established’ puppets.

        1. Your responses are almost Pavlovian, mesblow. Did someone train you to insult by giving you rewards?

          1. Aninny:

            No just an observation for good of the order. Your shtick is pretty much up but there’s a few uninitiated around that still that need to know your CV.

            1. No, I’m not particularly good at it, which is why I have to use mespo727272 and Allan as my models.

    2. “106 Republican congressmembers and 18 Republican attorneys general are insisting that a presidential election ought to be invalidated because their party lost.”
      ***
      Not because they lost. Because they won and were cheated.

      In the end, I am not certain it will make much difference how the Court rules. It is not the only pillar of government protecting our society. Lately, in fact, it has been a crumbling pillar.

      1. Poor Young was cheated by the big bad men!!! Kiss the boo-boo someone. Poor baby.

        Do you have any proof of this snowflake?

  10. Looks like Trump and Melania will be losing their deposit. Hope they leave the garage door opener, but from what we’re hearing the bathrooms in the residents gross..

    “Biden To Have Entire WH East And West Wings Showered With Disinfectant Right After Trump Leaves”

    President-elect Joe Biden and his transition team are reportedly already making plans to ensure that the White House, which has been plagued with a series of COVID-19 infections thanks to President Donald Trump’s disregard for protective measures against the virus, is safe enough for the 78-year-old Biden to move in come January 20.

    According to Politico, Biden’s transition team will have the White House fully cleaned by General Services Administration (GSA) staffers hours after Trump leaves the building.

    A spokesperson for the GSA told Politico that the staffers will “thoroughly clean and disinfect” every area of the East and West Wings that people have touched, including furniture and doorknobs.

    A private contractor will also reportedly provide “disinfectant misting services.”

    Nicole Lurie, one of Biden’s COVID-19 advisers, told Politico that the operation will be “the polar opposite of what you’re seeing now.”

  11. Turley: you might want to review the Rules of Professional Conduct that prohibit criticism of a sitting judge before you go off on rants like this. Flynn was found guilty because he pleaded guilty. Twice. With the assistance of counsel. The only reason Barr wanted to drop the prosecution, after Flynn pleaded guilty, was political. Flynn did lie to the FBI, and he was an agent of the government of Turkey, which he failed to disclose, which is also a crime, but for which he was not prosecuted. Flynn is no victim.

    1. Natacha, in this case, not even the FBi agents who interviewed General Flynn thought he was lying, as was reported when their undoctored interview was released. General Flynn “pled” guilty for the reason a great many people who are innocent take a plea deal. You should also read up on what being an “agent” for a foreign government entails – failing to register was an administrative violation that should have been dealt with administratively, perhaps with a fine.
      It is not against Rules of Professional Conduct for an attorney to criticize a sitting judge when there are legitimate questions about what a judge has or is doing – as there have been for months, and from many quarters, in this case.

      1. mistressadams,

        “Prior to Mr. Flynn’s acceptance of the Plea Agreement, the government informed Mr. Flynn that Mr. Strzok said that Mr. Flynn had a “sure demeanor and did not give any indicators of deception during the interview” and “both interviewing agents had the impression at the time that [Mr. Flynn] was not lying or did not think he was lying.” Gov’t’s Opp’n, ECF No. 122 at 16” (quoting Sullivan’s 12/16/19 memorandum opinion, with internal quotes from the DOJ: https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/6234142/144/united-states-v-flynn/). Flynn pleaded guilty knowing that. He also knew that after the initial interview, the FBI and SCO gathered more evidence, including texts and emails that Flynn exchanged with Trump Transition team members prior to talking with Kislyak and the interviews with K.T. McFarland, and they concluded that Flynn’s false statements were knowingly false, not just bad memory. Judge Sullivan also determined that the false statements were materially false.

        “failing to register was an administrative violation”

        Being an unregistered foreign agent while you’re incoming NSA is a little more serious, as is making false statements on the FARA registration, which is one of the things that Flynn pleaded guilty to. Flynn claims that the false statements are his old lawyers’ fault (see sidneypowell.com/media/media/declaration-of-michael-t-flynn, which was submitted under penalty of perjury), but he hasn’t proved that in court yet, and who knows whether he will.

        Do you think it’s OK for an incoming NSA to fail to inform the government that he’s an agent for a foreign government?

        1. An attorney can object, even strenuously, to a Judge’s rulings, but cannot go after the Judge him or herself. Turley didn’t just criticize Judge Sullivan’s rulings, he questioned his motivations. His strident criticism of a sitting federal judge crossed the line, but if anyone tried to go after Turley for this violation of the Rules of Professional Conduct, Turley would no doubt scream that the First Amendment protects him. It’s a fine line, but not that fine when you look at the things Turley accuses the Judge of and his motivations.

          1. i wipe my backside with the censorship rules of lawyer conduct such as 8.2

            Sullivan is a scumbag and he should be incarcerated. Hows that for going after him?

            they can take my barcard and then I’ll really be free to say what i think. i welcome it!

          2. Nat:
            Doesn’t sound like you’ve ever read Rule 8:2. It pertains to FALSE statements. Opinions like JT’s are neither true nor false they are merely opinions. Nothing ethically wrong with JT’s or anyone else’s opining on Sullivan.

            1. You cannot circumvent the rule by couching your criticism as an opinion. You should know that. Turley couldn’t gt away with claiming that in his “opinion” Sullivan is a rapist and child molester. That wouldn’t fly any more than Turley criticizing Sullivan as acting as an advocate on behalf of a party appearing before him, and that he has a political agenda. These are both accusations that the Judge violated the Canons of Judicial Ethics and his oath of office. It crossed the line.

              This post is another example of Turley’s never-ending criticism of women and minorities. He literally is blind to the conduct of white (and orange) Republican males. Note that he has nothing to say about the lawsuit filed by Texas and joined by over 100 Republican members of Congress and more than a dozen attorney generals to try to disenfranchise voters of other states.

              1. what you know about rpc 8.2 fits in a thimble

                go read some cases and talk to some real lawyers who have litigated such matters and then you can talk

                moreover, the rule is of dubious constitutionality.

                finally, in the end, it is all politics. this is not cynicism it is reality. but take no comfort in that: you are not the only side that is allowed to “play politics”

                politics is a continuum of conflict and we follow it wherever we must

                Saloth Sar

        2. ““failing to register was an administrative violation””

          Mistressadams, the important thing we all know is that Committ constantly says Flynn was guilty and then brings up things he wasn’t charged with. Further these administrative violations are all over the place. Podesta had the same violation Committ is likely talking about.

          1. “Committ constantly says Flynn was guilty”

            Really? Where?

            Tony Podesta wasn’t incoming NSA and didn’t have access to all of the classified info that the incoming NSA has access to, so it isn’t really comparable. As Committ pointed out, Flynn pleaded guilty to false statements on his FARA registration, not for registering late. Barr’s DOJ never did charge Podesta.

            1. Find it yourself.

              Flynn was not guilty of the initial charge against him that was dismissed by the DOJ.

              Your sudden concern of potential FARA problems is duly noted. You lack of concern for Biden’s dealings in China and all the lies Biden made pre-election is noted as well.

              Your lies about the hoaxes and the Biden affairs in China and Ukraine mean nothing to you . That is the typical leftist Democrat, a shill for China.

              1. Gee “Anonymous,” are you Kayla? Because I asked “Kayla,” not you. “Kayla” isn’t going to convince anyone if she won’t back her claim up.

                The DOJ didn’t say Flynn was innocent. The pardon doesn’t make Flynn innocent. If Flynn wanted to be proved innocent, he should have asked for a jury trial, and this all would have been resolved long ago.

    2. The earliest FBI investigator conclusions were that Flynn did not lie and all his activities were within the law. What changed after that is the liar Comey and the highest ranking FBI, whom you and your demonkrap friends wanted dismembered 4 years ago for allegedly thwarting HRC’s election chances, had it in to destroy Trump and his presidency. So Comey wrongly engineered the “Get Flynn” at any cost scenario we have today.

      If any pig follows you long enough, he eventually can legally justify pulling you over, call in the dogs, plant illegal drugs, and send you to prison for a very long time.

      1. FBI is corrupt

        nothing in washington DC will change until the fedgov defaults on its debts

        it is within our power to make it happen

        #TAXPROTEST2020

        #TAXRESISTANCE2020

        #FIGHTBILLIONAIRES

    4. natch is a fool., what you know about 8.2 fits in a thimble. you’re threatening turley too. that wont be missed

      8.2 is a gag rule that is fundamentally censorship by government of government licensed advocates

      if you are right, factually, then they can never get you in the end, just attack you with lawfare

      well, that’s why we have insurance, see!

      REAL LAWYERS ARE NOT AFRAID OF IT

  12. deny this illegitimate, billionaire controlled regime your income taxes. it’s the only protest they will hear

    Saloth Sar

    1. These are vain hopes. The judiciary will not go along with these lawsuits. They are corrupt and in the pocket of billionaires too.

      They wanted Trump gone by any means necessary. They want us impoverished and sickened and enslaved by an means necessary.

      We should fight the billionaire enemies by any means that are moral and feasible.

      The one feasible and moral way to fight them now is deny them your income taxes.

      Tax resistance is a nonviolent means which we must embrace and do. For it to work we must project it past the mass media blackout. The idea is catching on, but it is suppressed. Spread the word

      Saloth Sar

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_resistance#:~:text=Examples%20of%20tax%20resistance%20campaigns,the%20Women's%20Tax%20Resistance%20League.&text=Tax%20resisters%20may%20accept%20that,still%20choose%20to%20resist%20taxation.

      1. Jeez, you sound like George you’re so repetitious. Who knew that anyone else here was as nuts as he is?

        1. Anny,

          You want nuts, how about a “free press” (MSM, Google, FB, Twitter et al.) which censors and stifles free thought and free speech, and a coup that concludes with a totally corrupted and tampered-with

          election?

          That’s not nuts to you communists (liberals, progressives, socialists, democrats, RINOs), huh?

          Ya know, after a while, Washington, Jefferson, Franklin, Madison, Mason, Adams, Paine, Hamilton and that whole “Revolution” gang refused to it take anymore.

          They may have broken the mold. They may not make them like that anymore. Were they to, there could be “corrective action.”

          You communists (liberals, progressives, socialists, democrats, RINOs) would think that nuts too.
          ___________________________________________________________________________

          The Obama Coup D’etat in America is the most egregious abuse of power and the most prodigious scandal in American political history.

          The co-conspirators are:

          Kevin Clinesmith, Bill Taylor, Eric Ciaramella, Rosenstein, Mueller/Team, Andrew Weissmann,

          James Comey, Christopher Wray, McCabe, Strozk, Page, Laycock, Kadzic,

          Sally Yates, James Baker, Bruce Ohr, Nellie Ohr, Priestap, Kortan, Campbell,

          Sir Richard Dearlove, Christopher Steele, Simpson, Joseph Mifsud,

          Alexander Downer, Stefan “The Walrus” Halper, Azra Turk, Kerry, Hillary,

          Huma, Mills, Brennan, Gina Haspel, Clapper, Lerner, Farkas, Power, Lynch,

          Rice, Jarrett, Holder, Brazile, Sessions (patsy), Nadler, Schiff, Pelosi, Obama,

          Joe Biden, James E. Boasberg, Emmet Sullivan, et al.

          1. Blah, blah, blah.

            When I see your name at the top of a comment, George, I now know not to read it because you repeat yourself all the time. “Blah, blah, … feminists and Democrats and RINOs are communists … blah, blah, … Lincoln and Habeas Corpus, … blah, blah, … women aren’t producing enough babies and shouldn’t be allowed to vote, …, blah, blah, … coup … blah, blah, blah.” You should be in a nuthouse.

            1. But if the left wing media told you the sun rose in the West this morning you would believe it. 🙂

        2. im laser focused on our enemies, the billionaires

          you are under illusions that you are free

        3. I am as crazy as these antiwar tax resisters who have been at it for nearly a century

          https://www.warresisters.org/war-tax-resistance-organizations

          and yet now, the resistance grows and will succeed

          prepare to load up on bitcoin gold and silver, because the rest of the financial house of cards WILL COME DOWN

          and the billionaires with it

          a just society is the aim. we will never have it if “jeff bezos” and “bill gates” and “george soros” and their ilk have no limitations on their money and schemes to manipulate us all however they please.

          Saloth Sar

      2. “We should fight the billionaire enemies by any means that are moral and feasible.

        The one feasible and moral way to fight them now is deny them your income taxes.”

        That doesn’t make much sense. Boycotting corporations and anything Made in China, maybe. Buying from family or locally-owned businesses or Etsy might help. Not paying taxes won’t stop corporate welfare. Complaining with your friends and neighbors to your senators and reps might work, as well as joining forces between the Occupy Wall Street folks and the TEA Party folks to complain as a block to said elected officials.

        1. oh, if it causes the risk premium on federal borrowing to increase, because bond buyers fear a collapse in tax revenues, it sure can work

          if they increase enough then BOOM interest on debt goes up, Congress can’t pay, Fed monetizes the debt even more than it does now, and soon enough, DEFAULT AND COLLAPSE

          Trohar, don’t be afraid of it. We will be freer than we are now by far

          Once we stop the billionaire controlled federal government from borrowing, all their schemes collapse

          It’s the lynchpin.

          Paying income taxes is now IMMORAL BOYCOTT TAXES

          Sal Sar

    2. All you need to know is that the SC is not going to accept the case because TX has a bath*t crazy argument, and the states that have signed on wouldn’t do it if they thought it could win.

      If TX has a say in the voting in other states, then other states have a say in the voting in TX. Would the TX AG accept that consequence? Of course not. It’s a publicity stunt by the TX AG who wants a pardon from Trump.

      1. The odds are against Trump, but that doesn’t mean the case is illegitimate. We are seeing evidence of fraudulent behavior. We are seeing Dominion machines that could have been misused. Look at the video I posted. This is not a right wing talking point. This is something that Elizabeth Warren and Amy Klobuchar both felt could lead to election fraud. Add to that Jimmy Carter and Baker both saying that mail in ballots would lead to corruption.

        Yes, corruption and fraud has raised its ugly head so if you want to keep your own head buried do so. Whether you are a Democrat or a Republican you grandchildren will pay for your foolishness in the future.

        1. “Can” doesn’t mean “did.”

          The Texas suit is going nowhere. It has no valid legal basis. If you think TX can sue PA, then you also think PA can sue TX about its voting laws.

          1. You don’t understand the law. Texas has a legal basis. Whether it will change anything or not is doubtful, but that doesn’t excuse you for saying things without knowing what you are talking about.

            1. I understand it better than you do. You just don’t like that Texas has no valid case.

              1. “I understand it better than you do”

                You are acting like a child in a pissing contest. You are welcome to think whatever you wish informing the rest that you are limited.

                1. When you tell me that I don’t know what I’m talking about, you’re not acting like a child in a pissing contest, did I get that right?

                  Do you have the balls to come back here and admit it when the Supreme Court shows I’m right, or are you too fearful a child to do that?

                  1. Take note, I recognize the limitations so your comment about having the balls is a non sequitur. My comment was: “Whether it will change anything or not is doubtful”.

                    Keep pissing into the wind.

                  2. Supreme Court will probably ignore the case but that has nothing to do with law

                    that is because billionaires have bought them off along with the rest

                    that’s why we are just now in not paying taxes. the tyranny by the moneyed plutocrats, the tenth of a tenth of a tenth, has gone too far

                    We start with nonviolent resistance, not paying income taxes

                    Then they will retailiate.

                    Then it goes wherever it goes

                    In the end, nature has its own law. the strength of the wolf is in the pack., that is the law of tooth and fang. all politics is one form of group competition or another. we understand now, billionaires are the enemy.

                    judges are sometimes good and decent people. ,but the higher you go, the more it stinks. they become mercenaries of the system and justice fades from their view

                    we have teeth and we start simply, by doing nothing. not paying taxes. then as they struggle to borrow to pay their mercenaries, the strength of the workers and true Americans, not in the pay of billionaires, will be revealed

                    Sal Sar

              2. Comrade John,

                You need re-education. Join the working people in our fight against the billionaires!

                Sal Sar

    3. No matter how many cowardly Republicans in red states can be threatened or cajoled into signing onto the Texas case it still is doomed, just like the rest of Trump’s frivolous lawsuits.

      It’s been days, can anyone recall “The Kracken”?

      1. I don’t think Trump will be victorious in these challenges though there is a chance. The left is really worried and we can see that fear in the voices that post here saying it can’t happen. The left is pushing their readership to repeat their words that it can’t happen and is too foolish. You have responded in the exact way those of the left wanted you to.

        I posted some videos that might provide you with what you mention.

          1. Fear is something you have to contend with. You are always worried that someone will point out that you are stupid, but everyone already knows that. You shouldn’t be tolerated.

                1. Comrades, stop this petty squabbling. We are all small people, suffering under this awful year of endless schemes and social engineering

                  The billionaires weaken and divide us with their partisan charades

                  Join the effort to restore democracy

                  BOYCOTT PAYING INCOME TAXES

                  Saloth Sar

                  1. Saloth, the squabbling isn’t petty. It represents the lies and brainwashing done by the left.

                    One has to ask themselves, what this anonymous sloth looking for? He knows a few recent facts and a lot of things that are plain wrong. He has no knowledge of history, philosophy or anything else. How he became such a sloth that would let what little brain he had get filled up with nonsense is an enigma to me.

                    The billionaires
                    MSM and social media
                    Leftist politicians directly or indirectly taking money from China
                    Hollywood
                    Academia

                    All have interests that oppose the interests of the typical American family. They are elitists and very difficult to manage. They all have one thing in common, the money and status that directly or indirectly comes from the left, China and elsewhere.

                    The other side is composed of working people that do not have such a common interest linking them together.

                    I don’t think a tax boycott works. This latter group doesn’t have such wealth and power. The other group with far more wealth and power will pay because that money comes back protecting their interests and keeping them in power.

                    Just listen to these foolish back and forth arguments that amount to almost nothing.

      1. Q Anon is an insignificant ill defined group. The left once again told you that. But did you bother looking elsewhere to see if Sidney might have a point (even if she doesn’t prevail)? No, you are told you would be foolish to look elsewhere and you might be cancelled.

        Elizabeth Warren and Amy Klobuchar both former presidential candidates previously agreed with much of what Sidney is saying. You have been told that doesn’t count and I guess you are afraid to ask, Why?

          1. Too stupid for words. They commented on the electronic voting machine. Can’t keep up? Go tell mama.

            1. You have a hard time following conversations, don’t you?

              “Sidney is a Q Anon believing crazy lady.”

              Warren and Klobuchar aren’t.

              1. I had to check to confirm you are lying. Everyone knows that Warren and Klobuchar were worried about the electronic voting machines except you. Sidney knew that as well. That is Sidney’s major point, but you don’t know that either. I don’t know if Sidney ever mentioned QA, but you are so stupid you can’t get the facts correct.

  17. This case was a farce ab initio and it disgraced the FBI, the DOJ, and most of all, the vaunted Article III federal judiciary

    they all acted at the behest of our enemies, the billionaires, who wanted to harm Trump by harming Flynn

    the whole farce proved the reality that there is indeed a “Deep State” which acts to preserve the entrenched bureaucracies and those moneyed interests who are most able to manipulate them.

    Saloth Sar

  18. Now Kamala has apparently shown up in Biden emails as another key contact for a joint venture with a Chinese energy company.

    Are all of these people dirty? Don’t worry. The big cats at the DOJ will scratch dirt over the mess and the media will plant ground cover.

    https://pjmedia.com/election/bryan-preston/2020/10/22/bombshell-hunter-biden-email-names-sen-kamala-harris-others-as-key-contacts-for-joint-venture-with-china-belt-and-road-company-n1077890

    This is what happens when you give China and Google a vote(s) in American elections.

    The theft of the presidency has become a national security issue involving foreign governments, Fifth Columnists, Quislings, and invading digital troops.

    The problem was always too big for the lower courts and maybe it is too big for the highest Court. But there are two other branches of government.

    1. “Now Kamala has apparently shown up in Biden emails as another key contact for a joint venture with a Chinese energy company.”

      Young I heard that quite awhile ago but that news was suppresed just like the Biden investigation, laptop, etc. Much of the Democrat leadership is corrupt and act as conduits for China to influence American politics and American legislation harming the American working family. We have seen that over and over again. The left shuts any such discussion down and many Republicans go along.

      There was no evidence against Trump having to do with Russia or Ukraine yet the media pounced before Trump was elected and has continued to this day. Known corruption has been stifled. Most important the Biden Family Fortune is based on influence peddling. Clinton’s dealings with foreign nations. Swalwell’s bedding with a Chinese spy who fled the country because Swalwell tipped off that bedmate. The most recent video documents a CCP member telling us about Wall Street and politicians that have acted as conduits to China. The Biden name was most clearly mentioned with laughter about the stupidity of the American people especially those that are like the leftist bloggers that do everything they can to hurt America and help China.

  19. So much for the notion that there is no such thing as a Democrat Judge or a Republican Judge.

  20. Flynn was an unregistered foreign agent for Turkey **while he was incoming NSA** and then apparently made false statements on his FARA filing (though he contests that it’s his fault and blames his previous lawyers for the errors). If the 302 for Flynn’s 1/24/17 interview is correct, then he clearly made false statements to the FBI, and those false statements were material. There were also other legal issues for Sullivan to address, such as Rule 48(a). That Turley is silent about these issues once again makes it hard to take his columns about this case seriously.

    1. “If the 302 for Flynn’s 1/24/17 interview is correct,….”

      Do you mean the original 302 that said he didn’t lie or the one that was edited several times to indicate that he did?

      1. I’m not sure what “the original 302 that said he didn’t lie” refers to. The 302 neither says he lied nor says that he didn’t lie. It simply records what he told the two agents who interviewed him.

        I’m talking about the 302 that the DOJ provided to Flynn and to the court. Here’s a copy (Exhibit 6):
        https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/6883959/Flynn-Govt-Motion-to-Dismiss.pdf

        Do you dispute the accuracy? If so, what are you disputing?

        1. A 302 is the record of what the agent says the interviewee said; not what he actually said.

          Unlike even Podunk police departments the FBI does not record interviews. Even policemen with body cameras record encounters, but the FBI records nothing.

          There is an obvious risk for innocent confirmation bias or outright lying or subsequent alteration and that risk is sufficient to call any 302 record into question.

          You never truly know what an interviewee said. You only know what the agent thought, or wanted, that person to say. Too often those are different things.

          Why not record interviews? The only logical explanation is that a recorded interview reduces the opportunity for agents to lie about the statements actually made.

          1. Obviously trueYoung. but what is worse is that the original agents thought Flynn innocent and the case was going to be closed. Then it was kept open and the 302’s rewritten. It has been said that Commit Said Flynn’s own words proved him guilty of what he was first charged with. She sent people to the FBI reports and when they couldn’t find those exact words and told him to provide the quotes he became mad and apparently has lied ever since.

          2. So write Congress and tell them to pass a law requiring law enforcement to record interviews.

    2. NeedsToBeCommitted is right, as she usually is.

      The Comrade Comey and Obergurppenfuhrer Weissmann Gestapo got General Flynn good; engineered a frame-up hit job (oh, yeah, the Bidens and Clintons did nothing wrong).

      You go, Feminazi White Shirts! You well replicate the heinous,despotic, totalitarian Bolsheviks.
      __________________________________________________________________________

      “Show me the man and I’ll find you the crime.”

      – Lavrentiy Beria, Chief of Soviet Security

      1. Are you telling us that Lavrentiy Beria is in “NeedsToBeCommitted”‘s blood? That is a good theory or alternatively there is another malignant strain of it running loose. “NeedsToBeCommitted”, great name for that blogger. Fits perfectly.

    3. Flynn was initially charged with specific charges. You continue to impugn his integrity without knowing the facts or by omitting facts that entirely change the picture. Many Americans are hired by foreign nations so that is not a crime and could be a benefit to the US. He had no such relationship with Turkey once he was named and I don’t think he had a relationship for some time. He was not accused of the “crimes” you mentioned and he would have been if there was truth or significance. Sullivan stated Flynn’s relationship to Turkey but later had to withdraw it because his statement was erroneous.

      “If the 302 for Flynn’s 1/24/17 interview is correct, then he clearly made false statements to the FBI, and those false statements were material.”

      Why don’t you quote from the 302 the words Flynn said? Haven’t you been accused in the past of saying those quotes existed but you never could quote them? It is sort of funny how you seem to be repeating things over and over again that were disproven in the past. You are terribly unreliable. Why not state openly that the initial agents found no guilt. Afterwards, it seems like politics entered the picture and the 302’s were rewritten by Stzrok so that a claim could be made against Flynn.

      You really ought to stop acting like the KGB or the SS trying to convict an innocent man who you hate because he was a threat to politicians you like. It is a rather disgusting feature that you provide to anyone reading what you have to say.

      Let’s hear the quotes or let a wonderful decorated general who faced a political lynching alone.

      1. Poor Allan. Commit won’t give him the attention he wants from her, and he keeps posting replies to her whining while she ignores him.

        He can’t even get the law right. It’s a crime to be an unregistered agent of a foreign principal –
        https://www.justice.gov/nsd-fara/frequently-asked-questions
        Flynn worked as an unregistered agent for Turkey while incoming NSA and he didn’t register as a foreign agent for Turkey until after he was fired as NSA.

        Only a wanker like Allan would ask loaded questions like “Haven’t you been accused in the past of saying those quotes existed but you never could quote them?” knowing that HE is the one who accused her.

        Allan resorts to some of his go-to strategies for trolling:
        Lie.
        Insult.
        Pretend to read someone’s mind and attack the person on the basis of his made up attribution.
        Attribute his own failings to others.

        “Let’s hear the quotes”

        Yeah, Allan, let’s hear you quote Commit, where she said what you allege. Can you do it? Or are you going to play your usual game where you pretend that it was done at some time in the past, even though you can’t show it. You just imagine all the evidence you need.

        1. “Flynn worked as an unregistered agent for Turkey”

          That is not what Flynn was charged with. You are very sloppy. He was not working for Turley when he became NSA head.

          There is something wrong with your thinking processes. It is quite noticeable to all who post on this blog.

          1. You are very sloppy, “Kayla” (who sounds a lot like Allan). I didn’t say that Flynn was charged with working as an unregistered agent for Turkey. Flynn was accused of making “materially false statements and omissions” in his FARA filings, and he stipulated to that under penalty of perjury. You should also learn the meaning of “incoming NSA.” It’s analogous to President-elect and refers to the transition period between the election and inauguration.

            There is something wrong with your thinking processes. It is quite noticeable to all who post on this blog.

            1. Anonymous, you are something else. You know very little and have been wrong on almost everything whether it be Biden, the laptop, Russia, Ukraine and almost every other conversation under discussion.

              Flynn wasn’t charged for any of the other things you mention because either they aren’t true or are considered insignificant and common. You are trying to explain to me the right uses of words when you can’t even figure out why Flynn wasn’t charged with anything you mentioned.

              You just can’t deal with the truth. Flynn was not guilty.

              1. Hey Kayla/Allan, if you weren’t so ignorant, you’d know that the Statement of the Offense says “In the FARA filings, FLYNN made materially false statements and omissions,” and Flynn signed that “I agree and stipulate to this Statement of the Offense, and declare under penalty of perjury that it is true and correct.”

                I handle the truth just fine. I happen to know more of it than you do.

                1. You don’t know squat. There was one issue of importance. Flynn’s guilt of the primary charge.He wasn’t guilty.

                  Your arguments demonstrate that you are too stupid to focus on the issue and you are too stupid to know what actually happened.

        2. Listen to this nutcase anonymous. He doesn’t even know what the discussion was about. Flynn was innocent of the charges against him. All this BS from you and Committ are to cover your tracks. You can’t. Flynn was innocent of the charges.

    4. The FBI never charged Flynn with FARA violations. You bringing it up is a distraction. The truth is, most ot DC could be charged with violating the letter of the FARA statute. Its is leverage to squeeze political enemies of the FBI. Flynn recanted his coerced confession. DoJ withdrew the charges. The end.

        1. boycott your income taxes in protest, citizens! this is a peaceful protest of nonviolent means

          if it causes the risk premium on federal borrowing to increase, because bond buyers fear a collapse in tax revenues, it sure can work

          if they increase enough then BOOM interest on debt goes up, Congress can’t pay, Fed monetizes the debt even more than it does now, and soon enough, DEFAULT AND COLLAPSE

          Trohar, don’t be afraid of it. We will be freer than we are now by far

          Once we stop the billionaire controlled federal government from borrowing, all their schemes collapse

          It’s the lynchpin.

          Paying income taxes is now IMMORAL–BOYCOTT TAXES

          Sal Sar

      2. Most of DC has never worked for a foreign government. You’ve probably never lived in or near DC and know next to nothing about the residents.

        As for Flynn, it may not be the end. I hope he is brought in to be questioned now that he can’t hide behind the 5th Amendment. If he answers honestly, it’ll explain why Trump refused to answer some of Mueller’s questions.

        1. Making things up again?
          Hiding behind a cloud of secrecy?

          Did you hear Joe Biden’s answers about Hunter and his involvement with China? Probably you don’t remember. He lied.

          1. Just responding to iowan2’s jackass claim that “most ot DC could be charged with violating the letter of the FARA statute.” You seem to have difficulty tracking who is responding to whom.

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