President-elect Joe Biden has a pony problem. During the primary, Joe Biden bizarrely responded to a woman who asked why voters should believe that he could win a national election by saying “You’re a lying dog-faced pony soldier.” That encounter came to mind when Biden this week mocked Fox reporter Peter Doocy, who violated the virtual news blackout on the Hunter Biden story. by asking about the scandal. Biden immediately walked off stage and then stopped and said “Yes, yes, yes. God love you, man — you’re a one-horse pony, I tell you.”
Like many kids this Christmas, many voters are still angling for a pony. Biden has spent months mocking the Hunter Biden story – and anyone asking about it. When CBS News reporter Bo Erickson asked Biden about his son’s scandal, Bo Erickson drew a similar rebuke from Biden. He simply asked ‘Mr. Biden, what is your response to the New York Post story about your son, sir?’ Biden’s response was again a personal attack: “I know you’d ask it. I have no response, it’s another smear campaign, right up your alley, those are the questions you always ask.” Biden also blew up at a question that referred by the scandal by a NBC reporter and at a Fox reporter who asked about his son.
It is just not working. The media openly worked to bury the Hunter Biden scandal before the election, but the ponies keep finding their way back. The problem is when you one reporter like Doocy who refuses to be corralled and insists on an answer to a serious question.
The question yesterday was a good one. Doocy yelled out “Mr. President-elect, do you still think that the stories from the fall about your son Hunter were Russian disinformation and a smear campaign like you said?” Biden’s response of “yes, yes, yes” seemed to continue a discredited claim (indeed, “disinformation”) put out by figures like House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff who assured the pubic that the allegations against “this whole smear on Joe Biden comes from the Kremlin.” Some 50 former intelligence officials, including Obama’s CIA directors John Brennan and Leon Panetta, also insisted the laptop story was likely the work of Russian intelligence. Cable hosts and journalists laughed at the laptop story as fake news to justify the blackout on coverage before the election.
Then the pony showed up again. After the election, it was confirmed (as some of us discussed in columns before the election) that Hunter Biden is under federal investigation. The laptop appears to be genuine. The emails appear to be genuine. And Doocy continued to ask the obvious questions.
Biden is still hoping that he can continue to mock and the media will continue to do the rest. One reporter yesterday did raise the scandal but only to ask if Biden discussed it with Attorney General candidates (the campaign already said that Biden was going to allow the Justice Department to reach its own conclusions). There are other obvious questions, including whether a key business associate of the Bidens, Anthony Bobulinski, is lying. Either Tony Bobulinski or Joe Biden is lying. Bobulinski is repeatedly praised by Hunter Biden in the emails and identified as the person in control of transactions for “the family.” He has directly contradicted Joe Biden’s denial of any knowledge or involvement in his son’s dubious dealings.
There is a reason why Biden may not want to answer that question. If he calls Bobulinski a liar, Biden would be hit with a defamation lawsuit within days. He would then be forced to go under oath in a defamation. Such depositions present their own dangers. Just ask Bill Clinton. So it is not a pesky pony but a sworn deposition that Biden may be trying to avoid.
The same problem exists on other questions. For example, not only were Joe and Jill Biden included as “office mates” with controversial Chinese investor (and associate of Hunter) Gongwen Dong, but emails also refer to unsecured loans going to the Biden family and shares going to “the big guy.” The “big guy” appears to be Joe Biden. Moreover, Biden spent the election denying that his son did nothing wrong and made no money from China. The question is when Biden learned of the federal investigation and whether he was aware of the dealings over multimillion dollar unsecured loans (as well as alleged gifts like a valuable diamond to his son). Answering those questions falsely could trigger congressional investigation and then more ponies would show up.
That is the problem with a bunker press strategy of denial and isolation. Like water, truth has a way of coming out. Clearly many in the media will continue to be in the bag for Biden. However, horses tend to gather where the water is found. First, there was one pony (Doocy). Then another showed up (Erickson). Before you know it, you have a herd and a threat of a stampede. Then it could be too late.
In mocking comment to Doocy, Biden was clearly trying to say a “one-trick pony.” That trick however was once called “journalism” back in the day when reporters doggedly demanded answers, particularly on questions like influence peddling. So many of us still hoping for ponies – and even some answers – for Christmas.
This column also appeared on Fox.com.
America is over. Who gave America away?
“National Public Radio (NPR), which is subsidized by American taxpayers, listed Cardi B and Megan Thee Stallion’s raunchy hit song “WAP” (“Wet — —–”) as one of the “best” songs of 2020, including it in part of its “silver linings playlist” released this month.”
– Hannah Bleau
BLOG TROLL DEBUTS NEW PUPPET
“Jaelyn Patton unafraid” is presumably a spunky woman speaking her mind. But she sounds like a sad drunk in last night’s less-than-impressive rollout.
Our blog troll creates new puppets several times per day. Most are intended as nothing more than ‘disposables’; puppets who pop out of nowhere to express their total outrage, then disappear never to be seen again.
But our blog troll also creates puppets intended as ‘regular commenters’. Meaning he plans to use them as reoccurring characters to parrot cringe-worthy talking points. The puppet ‘Rhodes’ began as a similar project. Since then our troll has used Rhodes extensively to create the illusion of a ‘real’ commenter. Though by now everyone (except our troll) knows that Rhodes is ‘only’ a puppet.
It will be interesting to see how our troll uses Jaelyn Patton unafraid. So far the character reads like a creepy nerd posing as a woman. Our blog troll is, in fact, a very creepy nerd so he brings much of himself to this particular puppet. In this regard Jaelyn Patton unafraid is our troll’s personal expression of a hip, spunky woman he imagines as a ‘refreshing alternative’ to actual female commenters.
We would like for you to return to the clinic to continue your treatment. You are showing classic signs of crystal meth brain damage with your trolling online. We are being given updates on your movements online by your former tricks. You are welcome back. We will leave the light on for you
La Fuente West Hollywood Treatment Center
https://lafuentehollywood.com/what-we-treat/meth-addiction-recovery/
Meth addiction requires safe treatment in a professional rehab center like La Fuente. In many cases, treatment begins with meth detox, which is the process of medically managing withdrawal symptoms while an individual slowly overcomes their dependence on a drug. Due to the fact that meth withdrawal can sometimes cause violent behavior and psychosis (which, as stated by NIDA, can last for years or more, sometimes even spontaneously occurring years after the initial withdrawal), patients will often require 24-hour medical detox treatment for weeks or even months.
Still, detox is only the beginning of the journey toward recovery from meth addiction. Most people require a full rehab program that offers both medications to minimize withdrawal symptoms and stabilize the patient as well as behavioral therapies that can help patients examine the reasons why they started abusing meth and learn coping skills to avoid relapse in the future. And, at La Fuente, we also offer LGBTQ-affirmative care to ensure all patients are treated with respect to their needs and consideration for their individual identities. Over time, meth addiction can be overcome with the help of professional detox and rehab treatment.
+10
BLOG TROLL RESPONDS AS ‘TINA’
Here the troll shows how “streetwise’ he is by making repeated references to crystal meth and West Hollywood. Apparently the troll imagines these subjects ‘compliment’ each other. It never occurred to him that crystal meth is mainly used by small town, White trash types like those in his own community. As for West Hollywood, our troll has never step foot in California and wouldn’t know West Hollywood from Rancho Cucamonga.
“On Sunday night Attorney Lin Wood responded to Dominion Voting Machines.
Lin Wood: “I am not impressed. Ms. Powell retracts nothing.”
This ought to get REAL interesting when they call in Dominion Antifa hack Eric Coomer in to testify!”
– Jim Hoft
________
Oltmann claimed he had infiltrated local antifa groups in Colorado, and in September 2020 took part in a telephone conference call. He said during that conversation, he heard a man named Eric speak, and
another caller referred to him as “Eric, the Dominion guy.” According to Oltmann, another participant in the call asked “What are we going to do if (expletive) Trump wins,” to which, according to Oltmann, “Eric”
replied,
“Don’t worry about the election. Trump is not going to win, I made (expletive) sure of that. Hahaha.”
– Snopes
When does discovery begin in Dominion v Powell?
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/eric-coomer-dominion-trump/
You’re not an honest person, George.
Insulting yet another anonymous?
Is this honest?
Communist (liberal, progressive, socialist, democrat, RINO) Snopes does not rate the statement False.
Communist (liberal, progressive, socialist, democrat, RINO) Snopes rates the statement Unproven.
That is clearly NOT a conclusion, leaving the only conclusion as True, since it can’t prove or disprove.
Powell retracts nothing.
Ask CommitToHonestAsylum when discovery in Dominion et al. v Powell begins.
“That trick however was once called “journalism” back in the day when reporters doggedly demanded answers, particularly on questions like influence peddling.”
– Professor Turley
______________
Not to put too fine a point on it, but isn’t money laundering part and parcel of influence peddling?
Jonathan: Every kid hopes to find a pony in his Christmas stocking. Disappointed you never got one you hope Fox’s Peter Doocy and CBS News’ Bo Erickson will find the “pony” by pressing President-elect Biden about his son Hunter and the “scandal” you claim involves the Bidens corrupt activities in Ukraine and China. You say this scheme has not been exposed only because the “media openly worked to bury the Hunter Biden scandal before the election, but the ponies keep finding their way back”. And what are these “ponies”? You say the “Hunter Biden federal investigation. The laptop appears to be genuine. The emails appear to be genuine”. Yes, there are two federal probes of Hunter Biden. One has been underway for 2 years. Had William Barr been able to come up with any facts to indict Hunter before the election he would have gleefully done so to please Trump. But so far only speculation about these investigations. An “investigation” alone does not prove guilt. As for the laptop and the e-mails the FBI has been unable to prove the laptop belonged to Hunter nor that the e-mails are “genuine”. That’s why the media won’t touch Giuliani’s largely debunked conspiracy theory that he foisted on the NY Post and still promotes on his podcast–when he is not pitching for cigar and gold coin companies. But you keep promoting Giuliani’s dead pony claim and you say Joe Biden’s continued denials are proof positive of his guilt because he has resorted to a “bunker strategy of denial and isolation”. It’s guilt by denial. A prosecutor would be laughed out of court if he told the judge: “Your honor, The defendant is guilty because he keeps claiming he is innocent!” What is sad is that a grown up legal scholar is still a little boy hoping to find a pony in his Christmas stocking and is disappointed he cannot find it.
“Had William Barr been able to come up with any facts to indict Hunter before the election he would have gleefully done so to please Trump.”
And you know that how ?
There is more than enough to indict Hunter Biden now.
There is more on Hunter Biden than Paul Manafort.
That’s up to a grand jury, not you.
https://justthenews.com/accountability/russia-and-ukraine-scandals/emails-obtained-fbi-detail-how-hunter-biden-landed
Emails obtained by FBI detail how Hunter Biden landed Ukrainian gas gig in 2014
Memos show concerted strategy to leverage VP Joe Biden’s trip to Kiev to score Burisma Holdings deal.
In the weeks before he landed a deal with a Ukrainian gas company in 2014, Hunter Biden strategized with his business partner on how to leverage an upcoming official trip to Kiev by his father, then-Vice President Joe Biden, to clinch the lucrative arrangement, according to emails obtained a year ago by the FBI….
The emails were provided to the FBI last December as part of a laptop hard drive …
It’s still up to a grand jury whether to indict, not you.
One way or the other it is in the hands of the prosecutors whether they wish to take the case to the grand jury or indict directly. I hope you realize a grand jury is not a necessary step because it doesn’t seem that way.
It’s a necessary step for federal felonies. I hope you realize that.
“capital, or otherwise infamous crime”
As I said, federal felonies, per the Supreme Court.
Not everything has to be charged as a felony even if the claim can result in jail time.
In any event a prosecutor can call up a grand jury if he wishes to claim a more serious crime and he is very much in control of the grand jury process. One way or the other the decision is in the hands of the prosecutor.
If a grand jury doesn’t return an indictment for a federal felony, a prosecutor cannot indict someone for a felony.
Not everything has to be charged as a felony even if the claim can result in jail time.
Duh.
The OP compared Hunter Biden’s crimes to Paul Manafort’s, which were felonies.
“Duh. The OP compared Hunter Biden’s crimes”
What is your point? That is a common question you are asked. What is your point? So far the answer seems to be “Duh”.
Did you not understand the points that “The OP compared Hunter Biden’s crimes to Paul Manafort’s, which were felonies,” “If a grand jury doesn’t return an indictment for a federal felony, a prosecutor cannot indict someone for a federal felony,” and “it’s still up to a grand jury whether to indict, not you”?
The existance of a step in a process – a step that has not yet likely occured, does not alter the facts, that are readily available to all of us.
Grand juries are obligated to follow the law.
The purpose of grand juries is NOT to convert the law into something arbitrary. It is to prevent it from being arbitrary.
GJ’s are pretty bad at that – but they are generrally an improvement over allowing prosecutors and courts to determine whether to procede on their own.
Anonymous, nothing you have posted points out anything that was done was actually a crime. What would be the crime in all of what you posted?
Svelaz, so far the left is still claiming Russian disinformation about these specific types of facts. That is important though embarrassing to your argument. Trump was impeached over the Biden questions that for some reason were kept secret during the impeachment. Yet we now see excellent evidence that the actions of the Bidens have the appearance of significant inappropriate actions that with further investigation and evidence could prove criminal.
At this time – democrats should be horribly embarrased by impeachment.
It increasingly looks like the entire democratic party and the media conspired to hide misconduct by Biden – and that a part of doing so was to fraudulently blame Trump,
In another column Turley is debating whether a Hunter Biden SC is needed.
Missing from that discussion is the understanding that the very existance of an investigation of Hunter Biden means the Trump impeachment was itself politically corrupt.
John say, “ It increasingly looks like the entire democratic party and the media conspired to hide misconduct by Biden – and that a part of doing so was to fraudulently blame Trump,”
If that type of misconduct warrants an investigation why was it not for Trump. His own misconduct which is well documented was not thought of as a serious issue by republicans, so much so that they constantly blocked any meaningful investigations by democrats. If such misconduct was not deemed by republicans worthy of deep scrutiny why works Biden’s need to be. The hypocrisy couldn’t be more grotesque.
Here you have republicans clamoring for an investigation, but when it came to Trump’s own similar misconduct it was a witch-hunt? Are republicans suddenly ok with witch-hunts?
“If that type of misconduct warrants an investigation why was it not for Trump.”
Because there is no actual evidence of Misconduct by Trump.
“His own misconduct which is well documented”
Then you should be able to produce documentation.
Do you have affadavits? do you have emails ? do you have anything ?
There were multiple investigations of Trump and thus far they have all found nothing.
The entire global media, numerous states, some foriegn governments, the FBI and DOJ have all investigated the crap out of Trump and thus far produced nothing but angry spin.
What evidence do you have ?
There is already 1000 times the evidence of misconduct by the Biden family.
“was not thought of as a serious issue by republicans”
You have evidence for that ?
“so much so that they constantly blocked any meaningful investigations by democrats.”
False, in fact the opposite was True. House republicans did not block Democrats in their investigations – Democrats blocked House republicans. No one is stopping the Biden’s from trying to make their case – but the left, democrats, the MSM have played hide the ball on everything from day one.
It took 4 years to pry out into the open the fact that the only thing the FBI had to investigate Trump was the Steele Dossier.
It took months to make public the fact it was paid for by the clinton campaign.
It took years to find out that the FBI had decided in 2014 that Steele was a dupe likely being used to spread russian disinformation. It took 4 years to find out that Steeles primary source was a russian agent. It took 4 years to find out that the CIA beleives that Russia and Clinton were colluding to frame Trump. It took 4 years to find out that the FBI investigation started BEFORE the Steele Dossier and the Downer report. It took several years to establish that the Trump campaign was spied on. It took several years to find out that by Jan 5 2017 the FBI/DOJ knew there was nothing to investigate – and yet the investigation continued, and a Special Counsel was named.
It took 2 years to find out that there are as many as 4 federal investigations of the Bidens.
None of this was revealed during impeachment were it was absolutely critical. If the FBI was already legitimately investigating the Bidens on their own then there was certainly sufficient evidence for Trump to ask the Ukraine to investigate.
Proving what every sane person knew from the start – the impeachment was a fraud.
It took months to get the transcripts of the secret impeachment hearings conducted by the house released – because the information was damaging to democrats, and benefited Trump.
On matter after matter democrats stalled, delayed did everything possible to prevent actual inquiry.
We have had years of leaks that all turned out to be lies that took years to disprove because the left, the media … all conspired to keep the truth hidden.
And my remarks above have barely scratched the surface with respect to what democrats have been hiding.
You had your investigations of Trump and you are stupid enough to likely continue even more.
They are called witch hunts because that is what they proved to be.
What EVIDENCE do you have of malfeasance by Trump ?
Not speculation – actual evidence.
Contra your claims Mueller found nothing.
Nor did anyone else.
The investigations are being called witch hunts because after the most thorough investigations by multiple bodies ever conducted the only actual evidence produced damns democrats not Trump.
There is already 1000 times more evidence against Biden – without serious investigation than Trump after years.
What similar misconduct ?
Was Trump Tower Moscow ever built ?
If Trump was conspiring with Putin – don’t you think that Putin would have blessed the Trump hotel in Moscow Trump wanted ?
Where is all the money Trump is getting from Russia ? China ?
Where are the diamonds given to Don Jr ?
Provide something of substance worth investigating and we can investigate further.
But so far you have offered nothing.
There is no difference in the conduct of Hunter Biden from that of Paul Manafort – except that Biden’s conduct was more egregious.
If Manafort is guilty then by the same legal reasoning Hunter Biden is.
It’s up to a grand jury whether Hunter Biden will be indicted, and unless he pleads guilty, it will be up to a jury to determine whether he’s guilty, just as it was up to a grand jury to indict Manafort and a jury convicted Manafort on multiple counts, including filing false tax returns, bank fraud, and failing to disclose a foreign bank account.
“It’s up to a grand jury whether Hunter Biden will be indicted”
That is likely correct.
However he is under investigation now – atleast two different investigations and I have heard that there are actually 4 different ones.
Assuming those investigations are properly predicated, they constitute a conflict of interests with a Biden whitehouse.
So long as anyone but Biden is president an SC is not needed. If Biden wishes to resign before the inauguration and Harris is president there is no need for an SC (probably)
SC’s indict and prosecute towards the end of investigations – not at the state.
If the Hunter Biden investigation is not properly predicated – which there is already more than enough publicly known to assure that it is,
then the Barr DOJ is involved in political malifeasance – just as The Lynch DOJ/Comey FBI were with XFH.
“and unless he pleads guilty, it will be up to a jury to determine whether he’s guilty,”
Correct.
“just as it was up to a grand jury to indict Manafort and a jury convicted Manafort on multiple counts, including filing false tax returns, bank fraud, and failing to disclose a foreign bank account.”
I argued then and continue to maintain that the Manafort prosecution was bogus.
BTW Manafort allegedly failed to report income. In manaforts case he claimed that he loaned himself money (which is perfectly legal), but arguably failed to treat the loan as a loan, which got him in trouble.
There was BTW no bank that was defrauded. i get very tired of these nonsensical charges. I find it disturbing that purportedly the best prosecutors in the world are so ignorant about reality. Banks are never unknowingly defrauded by millionaries.
That is not to say that banks never knowingly write bad loans to rich people – but when they do they know what they are doing – ie they are complict in the fraud.
I do “due dilligence” work part time. That is banks assuring that the million+ dollar loans they write are likely to be repaid.
To borrow a couple of million dollars from a bank about a half dozen people have to document that the loan is likely to be repaid.
Most of these do not work for the bank. Bad loans still happen. But fraudulent loans require circumventing standard procedures.
That requires complicty on the part of the bank.
The bank fraud claims against manafort are only plausible to people who think banks are far stupider than they are.
It is really disturbing that purportedly smart prosecutors beleive that.
The US has no soveregnity outside of the US. If you earn money outside the US, if you have bank accounts outside the US – that is no business of the US government. Claims that it is are unconstitutional.
Everything I have said about manafort applies to Hunter.
But it does bidirectionally. If you are unconvinced and still beleive manafort is guility – then so is Hunter.
The only thing I have seen that I could convict Biden of is tax fraud. And his case is much more egregious than Manafort.
Biden just did not report the income. Manafort loaned himself money and failed to properly document it and treat the loan as a loan.
That said. Hunter Biden was being paid to deliver the use of government power by Joe Biden.
Joe Biden delivered. That is a criminal abuse of power.
And that falls on Joe not Hunter.
Private citizens do not wield government power. They can not be guilty of abusing it.
Absent actually bribing Joe, Hunter is quilty of nothing but persuasion.
But Joe Biden was obligated not to use the power of the US government to his own personal benefit or that or relatives.
Hunter Biden’s conduct is reprehensible.
But most of it is not criminal.
It is perfectly legal for Hunter or any other private citizen to get paid large sums by Burisma to use their influence to get a favorable outcome in an investigation.
Hunter’s conduct is more egregious than Manafort’s or anyone else engaged in what is essentially lobbying.
But everything we do not like is not a crime.
This becomes criminal when those inside government ACT using government power to fascilitate the requests of the lobbiests.
The real crime is the actions of Vice President Joe Biden – not his son.
Ethics laws required Biden to distance himself from matters that his son was involved in.
Hunter Biden;s job with Burisma precluded Joe Biden from anything touching on Burisma, and probably anything dealing with corruption and law enforcement in the Ukraine.
Joe Biden not merely failed to recuse himself, but the VP’s office directed the FBI task force on Ukrainian corruption, and Joe Biden explicitly and openly threatened Ukrain with loss of US funds if they did not fire Shokin who was investigating his not just Burisma but his son.
The claim that Shokin was corrupt is both false and irrelevant.
While the US government could demand Shokin’s removal IF he was actually corrupt.
Joe Biden was conflicted from doing so.
The claim that Joe Biden did not know of his son’s business dealings is both false and irrelevant.
The VP’s office was informed repeatedly of Hunter’s involvement with Burisma as well as that he was actively and openly selling his alleged ability to influence Joe Biden.
Actually, no it is not.
It is defined by the law. The expectation is that both Barr and the Grand Jury will follow the law.
there is not single “grand jury”.
For all you know I could personally be on the Hunter Biden Grand jury.
Regardless, we have laws, we expect law enforcement and prosecutors, and grand juries, and judges, and petit juries to apply those laws, otherwise we are lawless.
I do not personally see much evidence of criminal misconduct on the part of Hunter Biden – beyond probably tax evasion.
Hunter Biden getting paid by Burisma or others, including the Chinese in the expectation that he will influence government in their behalf is not a crime. It is often despicable, but it is not a crime.
It is not a crime when Hunter Biden does it. It is not a crime when Paul Manafort does it.
Any actual crime must be committed not by the “lobbyiest” but by the party within government being lobbied.
What matters is not Hunter Biden’s conduct – buy Joe Biden’s conduct.
Joe Biden used the power of the Vice Presidency of the United States to interfere with a criminal investigation in Ukraine of a business that his son represented. THAT is the crime.
We are all aware of the most relevant facts.
The only way you could personally be on the Hunter Biden Grand jury is if you’re lying about where you live, since he will not be indicted in PA. Are you a liar?
“The only way you could personally be on the Hunter Biden Grand jury is if you’re lying about where you live, since he will not be indicted in PA. Are you a liar?”
As always you make myriads of assumptions about the future and then pretend that your assumptions are reality and that any deviation from them is a lie.
Neither you nor I know if, where, or when Hunter will be brought before a grand jury.
It is highly unlikely that it will be in PA – but it is not impossible
Regardless, Hunter should hope I am on his grand jury. because it is highly unlikely that I will indict on the money laundering claims.
Even the tax evasion I would need proof I have not seen yet.
Unlike you my principles and arguments do not change based on the party affiliation of those I am judging.
Boy, are you nasty. Why call him a liar. Are you able to tell what will happen in advance?
i didn’t call him a liar. Read more carefully, Allan.
I’m able to tell in advance that Hunter Biden won’t be indicted in PA. You’re able to tell that in advance too, since he doesn’t live in PA, the alleged crimes didn’t take place in PA, and he’s being investigated by the U.S. Attorney’s Office in Delaware.
Delaware is in the 3rd Circuit. PA is in the 3rd Circuit.
The federal courts jurisdiction is not by state.
You’re wrong. The 3rd Circuit is an appellate court, but most federal cases start in district courts, and each state has between 1 and 4 federal district courts.
Content finally, but dumb. We do not know in advance where John Say or anyone else will be living. We can assume charges wouldl not take place in PA but we can’t even be sure of that.
You wrap yourself in godliness and now you act like a spirtualist. You are a fraud.
Bush : Barr – Barr : Bush
These inscrutable entities are directly proportional and fungible.
William Barr is “Mr. Deep Deep State.”
William Barr is a Bush stooge.
Baby Bush was ensconced with Dick Cheney, his Deep Deep State mentor.
H.W. Bush was in Dealey Plaza on November 22, 1963.
Jebb started diluting the population of Americans into extinction.
The Deep Deep State is global communism.
American freedom bad.
Global communism good.
Make Communism Great Again!
The end justifies the means.
Here is real reporting on the Biden mess. This is what actual journalists like Greenwald wrote.
Greenwald BTW is gay and on the left. But he is also a principled journalist who does not change his reporting based on who is in power.
He is not always right – but he is always honest.
https://greenwald.substack.com/p/article-on-joe-and-hunter-biden-censored
An investigation does not prove guilt.
Though I would note the standard of proof required by the criminal justce system is SUPPOSED to be far higher than that of journalists or voters.
The election issue is NOT that Hunter or Joe Biden are guilty beyond a reasonable doubt – they may not be.
The issue is whether they are sufficiently likely to be guilty to not vote for them. That is an individual standard and it is not the job of the press to decide it for us.
Something like 47% of Biden voters were not aware of the allegations of misconduct in China and Ukraine.
Clearly democratic voters live in a bubble.
and 6.4% of Biden voters polled have said they would not vote for him if they new about the ukraine and China scandals.
A 6.4% change in Bidens votes would have resulted in a Trump landslide.
That, my friend is not how the FBI works. If the FBI had any reason to believe the laptop was not genuine, they would have closed the investigation by now. It is relatively simple to determine the provenance of a laptop. The FBI can verify the online presence of is unique IP address, ask Hunter Biden for passwords and access where required, although most can now be hacked,. Mr. Isaac’s was able to view the entire disk, so it appears not to have been encrypted or he was provided the password. Hunter Biden is clearly not a techie guy. It is quite easy to replace an internal hard disc on a Mac Book, and to rescue the data or use backups on a new piece of hardware. In over a year, NOTHING has surfaced to discredit the laptop, and in fact the only things that have emerged have validated it – the Senate subcommittee research and report, Mr Bobuinski’s evidence and testimony.
We don’t know if there is proof of tax evasion or criminal money laundering. We know that Biden used cutouts and single purpose LLCs to hide the source of his payments from CCP proxies. It may be the payments were grossly unethical, repulsively inappropriate, damaging to US national interests, and deeply compromising to the President-elect’s credibility, but not, technically illegal. So much to be proud of.
Trump sold his name to all sorts of endeavors as a private citizen, for good money. But he was not selling access to US Givernment policy makes, or exposing himself and his family to extortion or the nation to compromise. The Bidens sold their name to specific kinds of buyers – those with policies inimical to the US national security and foreign policy interests. Pro-Russian Ukrainian kleptocrat oligarchs in the middle of an anti-corruption campaign!). CCP-linked energy companies used as conduits for official corruption all over the world, looking to influence US policy and advance the CCP’s interest in the fossil fuel industry and power-generation technology. China leads the world in the destruction of the environment, and the CCP wants the US to capitulate to the Paris standards that allow China to increase the speed with which their ever-increasing emissions fuel the global warming crisis, while saddling the US with unsupportable expenses in reducing ours, already decreasing faster than any other country.
The Bidens are a broken down corrupt old pony that are bringing back the Chinese markets and power through their fecklessness. What a disaster they promise to be for our climate I veer thiught I would see the day I prayed DONALD TRUMP would win, for the sake of the air and water my children will inherit.
Laptops don’t have static IP addresses by default, though you can choose to set a static IP.
The FBI doesn’t have to believe that the laptop is Biden’s, only that it’s evidence in a criminal investigation.
“Laptops don’t have static IP addresses by default, though you can choose to set a static IP.”
Completely irrelevant.
Laptops do not have IP addresses of any kind. Network connections have IP addresses.
Further IP addresses are not immutable.
“The FBI doesn’t have to believe that the laptop is Biden’s, only that it’s evidence in a criminal investigation.”
Correct.
A signature matching Hunter Biden’s on the receipt for the laptop make it likely the laptop is Hunter’s.
Confirming the accuracy of numerous emails and documents on the laptop make it likely the laptop is Hunter’s.
Glenn Greenwald has done an excellent job of reporting on why both journalistically and legally it is near certain the laptop is Hunter Biden’s and its contents are trustworthy.
I would further note that independent statements – such as those of Bobulinksy, as well as the dovetailing of information from the laptop,FOIA requests and the material from Gulliani and John Solomon forms an iron ring where each source confirms the others.
Unless you beleive that the state department documents aquired by FOIA requests are russian disinformation, then you are stuck with ALL of this being trustworthy evidence.
Trump promised a vaccine by Christmas.
Fauci and the media said it was impossible.
Trump delivered.
So far the Dems have delivered nothing but chaos and vacant cities and some cities with smoking ruins and staggering crime.
Trump promised a vaccine before the election. Before that, he said in March that there would be a vaccine over the next few months.
Trump insisted in February that the number of infected people “was going to be down to close to zero” soon.
Trump insisted in March that everyone who wanted a test could get one.
Trump said in March that Google was helping to develop a coronavirus website.
Trump said repeatedly that the virus would miraculously just go away.
Pence said in August that “By mid-September, every nursing home in America will have a 15-minute test.”
Trump said about the Regeneron antibody cocktail that “I want to get for you what I got, and I’m going to make it free. You’re not going to pay for it.”
They make a lot of things up. If sometimes they say something accurate, that’s random chance.
Trump didn’t deliver a vaccine. Scientists delivered vaccines.
Trump stans like you see what you want to see and ignore the rest.
Words matter and you have a reputation for falsehood.
Please provide links to the video’s of Trump “promising” whatever it is you claim.
You still have not grasped you are not credible.
I would note – though Trump has been more accurate in his predictions than the “experts”,
That a prediction is not a promise.
The US has done 242M tests. I have personally been tested twice. My son has been tested 3 times. My wife once.
I can get tested pretty much anytime I want.
No Scientists did not deliver a vaccine – the free market delivered a vaccine – just like it delivered all the PPE you could possibly want and oceans of hand sanitizer and gigiatons of TP.
Trump did not deliver it to us in record time – the free market did that.
But Trump did mow down alot of the government red tape that would have delayed it for another year.
Trump kept that Promise.
Biden would not have made that promise and could not possibly have delivered on it.
Trump knows something you do not. Without government interference we can world miracles.
BTW the Pfiser Vaccine was created in February 2020 – long before Trump promised.
2 days after the C19 genome was sequenced
Since then only two things have occured – Testing and figuring out how to produce millions of doses.
If we were willing to properly balance risk and reward we would have had the vaccine in June and could have saved 100’s of thousands of lives.
In April Biohackers were offering an equivalent mRNA vaccine for $20K for 5 doses with a 50% chance of working and a 100% chance of being safe. ‘
From start thru now – the experts have been near uniformly wrong.
The free market has however saved our collective asses.
Nothing of consequence regarding C19 has come from government.
You seem to be under the mistaken impression that I care what you think of me.
You don’t think I’m credible, and I don’t think you’re credible.
“You seem to be under the mistaken impression that I care what you think of me.
You don’t think I’m credible, and I don’t think you’re credible.”
You seem to be under the mistaken impression that everything is a matter of oppinion and all oppinions are equal.
That is false.
You are posting as anonymous – that undermines your credibility.
To the extent that your posts can be identified as belonging to the same person – which is nearly impossible as you post as anonymous,
those posts have been full of errors, misrepresentations and lies – therefore you are not credible, and lack integrity.
My posts are all under the same name – they can be evaluated – you are free to demonstrate that I have made errors or misrepresentations or lies – with evidence. You are free to express whatever oppinion you wish on that.
But you can not expect to be believed without evidence. And you have provided none.
Those that use hit and run tactics are not credible.
“You don’t think I’m credible, and I don’t think you’re credible.”
Don’t worry anon, you never were credible and you never will be credible.
Young, explain why Republicans never get elected in big cities. I mean, if Republicans are so good at governing, urban residents should welcome Republican leadership.
Though it’s hard to imagine tax cuts are helpful to building infrastructure. What’s more, residents of neighborhoods where gunfire is common aren’t terribly concerned with ‘Second Ammendment Rights’. And young, single women common to big cities don’t care what Evangelicals think about abortion.
But tell us, Young, why big cities don’t appreciate Republicans.
I’ll tell you why
1. big cities always have large underclass populations. People permanently on government assistance, stuck in low end jobs, in and out of jail, some may be virtuous or some not, but all are essentially poor and dependent on government handouts
2. Democrats have since the time of FDR been the champion of government handouts. I don’t find fault with FDR on that but Democrats have become skilled masters of the system of handouts, the twenty some federal programs and the state ones, and they form patronage networks based on them which build their local bases among the lumpenproles to ever provide masses of ready votes.
3. Billionaires have their adminstrative apparatuses located all in big cities, the investment banks, insurance, compauter things. For obvious reasons but as a necessary corrollary, as they grow, they dominate the big cites, and they have always been hand in glove with Democrat organizers going back to NYC, Boss Tweed, and Tammany Hall. Oh yes even like the Irish migrants of old, migrants play a role in that too.
Republicans are the people of the working class,, the middle class, the rural and sub and exurban areas, who are caught in the middle between the billionaires and the lumpen.
They are people who are not familiar either with the dizzying hiegbhts of economic power nor the life of the lumpenproletariat. Hence they do not serve well either.
It is hard for them to gain power in any big city. Billinoaires and their lackeys prevent it.
This is part of the reason I recommend that people study the Maoist countryside based side of the Chinese Civil war, or say, the Khmer Rouge. They were able to extend their power from the countryside to gain control of cities, in the modern era. This had less to do with ‘communism” than people think. It was a strategy based on obvious social networks and using the tools that were at hand.,
at whatever intensity of conflict in the spectrum of politics, from democracy to civil war, the same dynamics will emerge again and again.
“Hunger Games” is a fictional projection of the very same dynamic as it might unfold in the future. Think about it.
Saloth Sar
Kurtz this Saloth Star crap is the joke that wasn’t even funny ‘once’. What’s more, it is totally mindless to pretend Republicans are free of big money interests. Like Republicans reject billionaire donors?? ..Don’t make us laugh..!! It’s too stupid to even contemplate.
Peter, it was not meant to be funny. Do you find the historical person named by his parents, Saloth Sar, funny? I dont.
Republican party as such does have big money interests too. Of course
But I have been precise. Billionaires are the enemy. They manipulate all the important social and economic and political institutions.
They have an open plan to erase American sovereignty in favor of globalism, for their own utopian fantasies AS WELL AS their obvious interests in global trade, free movement of labor, information, capital, etc– the core tenets of globalism, that will make life better for them and WORSE for Americans.
It just so happens that the Democratic party leadership and platform and praxis is all more closely aligned to the billionaires than the Republicans. And the billionaires have themselves ensured that result with their huge donations which per FEC data that I have shown here not only for Biden but also Hillary before him, strongly favors them and not your bete noire Orange Man Bad. His financial, military complex, and billionaire donations were some, but they paled compared to Biden and Hillary’s. This is a fact. Your vaunted “journalists” and “academics’ have proven this fact, I learned it from them.
I have also learned from left leaning economists Michael Hudson and Yanis Varoufakis, and also various financial strategists whom I follow, the reasons WHY globalists continue to throw their money mostly behind the Democrats. In a word, that comes down to “Financialism” which is a consequence of the US dollar as world reserve currency.
Do i think US workers and middle class would be better off if the USD was replaced as world reserve currency? Yes I do. The dollar would decline, a debt default would be part of the deal, and we would be in a much better place to support domestic industrial and economic growth than we are now. Now it is only the FIRE sector which grows and we can see in 2020 that it continues to grow by Trillions even when the economy stinks! Which is a direct consequence of the Federal Reserve bank policies.
Now if that is over your head, or you can’t parse it and address it seriously, spare me your insults. Because I am a lion and I do not worry about the opinion of lambs
Saloth Sar
Here the former Greek Minister of Finance Yanis Varoufakis, talks about his meeting with the German and other EU authorities about renegotiating the onerous Greek debt.
SYRIZA is a left wing party that had been elected on a promise to renegotiate that debt. Ie. to default on it and get it restructured. And end the austerity measures that had plunged Greece into Depression and poverty
To a lawyer this is a legit concept. Companies renegotiate debt all the time in bankruptcy! And Greece was bankrupt, too. So, how did it go? NOT WELL!
Greece is not a “monetary sovereign” anymore, because Maastricht, and EU. Which are, in a nutshell, CONTROLLED BY BILLIONAIRES
Klaus Schwabe said: “elections must not be allowed to change economic policy.”
[because why? BILLIONAIRES SAY SO THAT’S WHY!]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGeevtdp1WQ
Title of his talk was “how capitalism devours democracy”
this is an allusion to Cronos and his sons, Zeus, Hades, and Poseidon. Well, Peter, you may have to look that one up too.
Anyhow, since you think my contentions are stupid, you may find that Yanis seems stupid too. Give it an hour and a half of your time, Peter, and you may learn something.
He even says bad things about Trump, if that floats your boat! As you know, I favored Trump’s policies, even if they came up short. They made a stab at it.
But he does explain why the workers voted for Trump.
These dynamics I express in a nutshell. The billionaires are the enemy.
Saloth Sar
PS ah monetary sovereignty., in theory the US is the biggest “monetary sovereign” in the world. and yet, OUR ELECTIONS CHANGE NOTHING! But why?
Hence my interest in this speech.
Peter says it’s all very stupid to suggest billionaires are the enemy or that policies favoring industrialization are worth considering.
Well Peter you will have a lot of economists to argue with. Start with an easy one:
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3183584#:~:text=Financialization%20leads%20to%20the%20development,away%20from%20the%20real%20economy.&text=Several%20empirical%20studies%20document%20that,and%20contribute%20to%20income%20inequality.
Abstract
The inequality issue has become a central concern for the majority of economists. Financialization is, among others, a major cause of inequalities in income and wealth. This paper examines opinions of some noted scholars on this issue. In reality, the financial sector has moved away from its basic function of allocating capital to productive uses, to those activities which do not create wealth rather, they transfer it from others to finance manipulators. Financialization leads to the development of new financial products that are several layers away from the real economy. The oversized financial sector has strayed away from its essential function. Several empirical studies document that “too much finance” may hamper growth, create distortions, and contribute to income inequality.
There’s thousands of papers out there along these lines so get busy Peter. Justify your support for the Democrat party leadership, champions of “Financialization”
The Senator from Delaware, “credit card Joe” will thank you if you can figure that out
SS
REGARDING PARANOIA OF BILLIONAIRES
Yes, globalization has made billionaires richer than ever. For this reason alone there should be tax hikes on billionaires. They can easily afford it!
But when Trump supporters write about oppressive billionaires it’s laughably stupid. Trump signed the 2017 Tax Cut which benefitted billionaires more than anyone. And Federalist-groomed judges often rule in favor of corporate interests.
So if you’re paranoid of billionaires, voting Republican makes no sense whatsoever.
Peter, you don’t like Republicans, here’s a magazine of left wing progressives, MOTHER JONES, that explains why credit card Joe is a champion of “FINANCIALIZATION”
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2019/11/biden-bankruptcy-president/
and remember:
billionaires are the enemy!
Sal Sar
” it is totally mindless to pretend Republicans are free of big money interests.”
There not – but democrats are receiving 3 times more donations from billionaires and multimillionares and wall street.
“Like Republicans reject billionaire donors??”
Did someone say they did ?
I am not claiming that democrats or republicans should reject donations. no matter where they come from.
That said – democrats are the corporatist party.
I’m listening Sal Sar. Van Creveld’s book is already on its way to my house. Thank you, sir, for the recommendation.
If you like that one then also try by van creveld, that one and also “Transformation of war,”
i met van creveld, in literature, before I met in literature, the ones to whom he owes some of his insights, perhaps– Leo Strauss, and his elder interlocutor, Carl Schmitt
I have not gone back and parsed the connections, and a quick look on internet shows many citations triggering these names together
Sal Sar
PS dont call me C U R lol
In the past few months I read a post where the author suggested one of the purposes (maybe THE purpose) of WW2 was to crush middle class uprisings in Europe and the USA. If such exists, I respectfully request the name of a good book on this subject.
Given the trajectory of Hunter Biden’s financial success, perhaps we should have all be smoking crack in China
Hunter Biden reportedly still owns 10 percent stake in Chinese firm
“President-elect Joe Biden’s son Hunter Biden still owns a 10 percent stake in an investment firm he formed with institutions owned by the Chinese Communist Party.
The continued ownership, first reported by the Wall Street Journal, comes despite the president-elect saying this month that Hunter won’t “be involved in any business, any enterprise that is in conflict with or appears to be in conflict with where there’s appropriate distance from the presidency.”
Hunter Biden formed the investment business, called BHR Partners, 12 days after he joined his father aboard Air Force Two for a December 2013 trip to Beijing.
The Journal reports that the firm is “controlled and funded primarily by large Chinese government-owned shareholders,” including the Bank of China.“
NYPost
“Young, explain why Republicans never get elected in big cities.”
Rudy Guiliani.
“I mean, if Republicans are so good at governing, urban residents should welcome Republican leadership.”
Inarguably the people in big cities have made lots of bad choices.
“Though it’s hard to imagine tax cuts are helpful to building infrastructure.”
So what ? What right do you have to take from me or anyone else for something you want ?
Theft is theft.
“What’s more, residents of neighborhoods where gunfire is common aren’t terribly concerned with ‘Second Ammendment Rights’.”
Are you so sure of that ?
“And young, single women common to big cities don’t care what Evangelicals think about abortion.”
So ?
The question is not what evangelicals think. nor what young single mothers think.
It is whether the use of force involved in abortion is morally justifiable.
“But tell us, Young, why big cities don’t appreciate Republicans.”
Who cares ? Republicans are not seeking to impose their will on big cities by force.
What natural right did Trump as president deprive you of ?
Obama and democrats have continuously sought to limit our rights.
Provide an example of Trump limiting your rights ?
Trump promised the vaccine in a year and was criticized by virtually all the Democrats and dumb people like anonymous below. The ignorance anonymous and the left display in their non-response responses is incredible. You mentioned education and finding DC on a map in a recent comment. Anonymous is a product of that education and can’t even find a name for himself, but he is accusing many posters of being Allan. It’s possible that anyone can use alternative aliases but he has to create an enemy to fight and calls that enemy Allan. In that way he feels he doesn’t have to engage in discussion and can blame everything on Trump and an Allan. He needs psychiatric care.
Allan changed names after Trump’s defeat. What a coincidence!
Allan, no one is calling you Young, John Say, Art Deco, Joe Friday, FishWings, CTHD, Olly, Mespo, or the names of any of the other regulars.
You can’t help but reveal yourself with your verbal and behavioral tics, which are different from theirs. You’ll have to live with being called out by your name, Allan, no matter how many new socks you create.
Among the tics that reveal you are your go-to strategies for trolling –
Lie.
Insult.
Pretend to read someone’s mind and attack the person on the basis of your made up attribution.
Attribute your own failings to others.
Make up claims about what someone did in the past without ever linking to any evidence for your claim. You can’t, since it’s made up.
When you say “He needs psychiatric care,” you’re talking about yourself.
Another empty anonymous post. You can’t stand it that almost none of your comments are able to stand when looked at critically. You care too much about this Sh-t. It would be better if you cared about this country.
Hunter Biden really? OK, lets see where the chips fall for this one, but lets look into Trump daughter who got Chinese patents and Saudi grants. Can we see how and why Rudy’s son worked at the WH? Barr’s son-in-law works in the WH, Barr’s daughter works at Treasury, Trump’s sons do foreign business at will. Kushner get loans from Qatar and Saudi when no American banks would touch him. Who’s paying for the Trump sons to travel for their “deals”. And that’s just the tip of the iceberg, but sure Turley, will you write about those deals too?
“lets look into Trump daughter who got Chinese patents”
You’ll be looking a very long time for those, Fishbrain.
BTW, you and Hunter have an obvious drug problem. So I can see why you’re so
defensive about him.
Are you saying that it is improper for a US patent or copyright holder to seek a patent or copyright in another country ?
Regardless, patents secure fees for the use of an actual product that the patentholder developed.
They are not payments for political power.
i am sure some of Ivanka’s clothes are sold in China and Russia. That is not political corruption.
Hunter Biden was selling the power of the vice president of the united states – not clothes.
If Rudy’s son was selling access to the white house – charge and convict him.
But myriads of people get jobs as a result of connections.
AS Biden moves in – 100’s of thousands of democrats will get jobs in the federal government because of connections.
That is not a crime.
Barr’s daughter WORKS at Treassury – NOT for the chinese govenrment.
Is Kushner paying off his loans ? if not that is considered a gift and he would owe taxes on it if he failed to report it.
Did Kushner receive favorable treatment on the loan because he worked in the whitehouse (as opposed to because he too is a billionaire) ?
If Trump’s son’s are being paid by the federal government to travel – that is discoveralble – File a FOIA request.
If they are not – it is their own private business.
I would strongly suspect they are paying their own way – Trump fired a cabinest secretary for using Government planes.
Betty DeVos uses a priate jet – that SHE pays for to perform her duties as SecEd.
“And that’s just the tip of the iceberg, but sure Turley, will you write about those deals too?”
Yes, there have been myriads of these stupid allegations over the past 4 years. Nearly all are false, and the few that were true are not crimes.
Hunter Biden is in trouble – not because Russians paid him – but because he failed to report the income.
Joe Biden is in trouble – because Hunter was being paid for his fathers power as VP.
Not for clothes or hotels.
Yesterday in Gauleiter Newsom’s (F) failing state of California there were 44,416 new cases of Wuhan Vitus. That is more than double the cases in Texas.
Politics aside, by just the numbers it appears that Newsom’s Fascist approach to disease control is encouraging its spread rather than slowing it.
Could it be he destroyed the economy for nothing but the lust for power?
Why is this twit always sputtering ‘facist’??
Good question. Partly because you use it so often and hate to have it applied to your lot. If I called you Commies you would preen.
But also because the leftists essentially are Fascists and act like it. Fascism was born from socialism. Newsom’s edicts are fascist and, often, lawless. The thugs Dems/Fascists let roam the streets are very like the Brownshirts.
Accept it, the left in this country has abandoned its liberal roots and embraced Fascism.
And that is why I call you Fascists.
I would say it is something more like corporatism. I think Roger Griffin’s theory of fascism is the best, and it does not fit our current plutocracy in which the billionaires and their global corporations dominate the government and use the unwitting leftist fools as their shock troops of disorder to justify their fraudulent political outcomes.
Here is his theory. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palingenetic_ultranationalism
there is certainly nothing ultranationalist about the billionaires. they are globalists and not even merely nationalistic
But, Young, I get it that you are making a point that you want people to understand, and my blabbering about political theory does not reach people. I am humble enough to admit, it rarely has.
Sal Sar
Sar I think you are right on the first part but also right on the second in that that you muddy waters when you talk over their heads.
That’s why I keep it simple– They are Fascists.
They know that means they are the bad guys in this show, but they don’t know much else.
It is important to label them accurately. And they don’t like the label.
“The line between fascism and Fabian socialism is very thin. Fabian socialism is the dream.
Fascism is Fabian socialism plus the inevitable dictator.”
– John T. Flynn
Flynn was a Democrat who saw through FDR’s New Deal fascist ruse. He knew that Roosevelt was an ardent admirer and pen pal with Mussolini. And FDR was essentially a Dictator who held that position for almost 16 years as POTUS.
Obama was a Fabian Socialist for years until he became a card carrying Democrat in order to run for office. His Reptilian wife was also a Fabian Socialist.
Bush II and Obama were both corporatists.
Young, Trump is the far-right nationalist scheming to overturn an election. So even if 70 million twits like you keep sputtering ‘fascist’, that doesn’t alter the reality of Trump’s authoritarian plots. The whole world knows Trump’s true colors.
So even if 70 million twits like you keep sputtering ‘fascist’, that doesn’t alter the reality of Trump’s authoritarian plots.
LOL! Not that your alternate reality has come to fruition over the last 4 years. But according to you, any day now, he will finally put some meat on your imaginary bone. Bwahahahaha!
The whole word he says. How does this guy know “the whole world”
pure nonsense and propaganda… and insults
there’s nothing there
anything to keep the eye off the sparrow.
which is this. is government sovereign or are the billionaires sovereign?
it will all come down to this in time
Trump is soon gone. The dynamics of our decline remain. These clowns will keep on apologizing for the billionaires no matter what. You know why?
The billionaires can pay for it. They pay for universities, mass media, marketing, political party loyalty, and endless bureaucracies
On this blog we have a few self appointed apologists for billionaires. Their favorite act is to pretend that Trump, who enraged the billionaires, is precisely the same as those who his pro-industrial policies angered. Well. That schtick will soon grow old. And we will have plenty of time to study, the new POTUS Biden, who has a decades long history of being a lobbyist in legistator’s clothing, for the credit card issuers. if that isnt a billionaire controlled racket, I dont know what is!
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2019/11/biden-bankruptcy-president/
The purpose is not to apologize for Trump, nor to smear Biden. We know, each POTUS of our era, is a figure-head. If they dare go to far, they get punished.by them, billionaires.
And earlier generation had the same suspicion about JFK. Went too far, got a spanking!
Perhaps so or perhaps not.
But purpose is to identify our enemies: billionaires!
Saloth Sar
There is not a claim that Trump is making that is not tied to lawlessness or fraud.
If He is correct – he should succeed – Biden did not win the election if the result is a consequence of lawlessness and Fraud.
If he is incorrect he should loose.
Regardless, Trump has NOT taken any illegitimate steps to overturn an election. His actions are legitimate.
You make the typical left wing delusional assumption that your shit does not stink, and that you are entitled to anything you can acheive regardless of the means.
IT is not an authoritarian plot to seek real scrutinty of a dubious election that was conducted outside the law.
All you needed to do was to follow the law and accept the lawful results whatever they were.
John say, trunk has taken steps to overturn the election. Those actions alone be they illegitimate or not are still attempts at overturning an election without proof of widespread fraud or illegal voting which has not been the case in courts all around the country.
If Biden or Obama engaged in such attempts with the same lack of proof as Trump it can be guaranteed republicans would be losing their minds just over the idea of an attempt. Right now the majority of republicans will have to come to terms over their enabling of such behavior. On Jan 6. They will vote on certifying the results of the election. If they vote on certification they lose all credibility. If they contest the vote, they will be forced to provide hard proof of their claims. None has been produced so far.
“John say, trunk has taken steps to overturn the election. Those actions alone be they illegitimate or not are still attempts at overturning an election without proof of widespread fraud or illegal voting which has not been the case in courts all around the country.”
We already know the law was not followed – this is well established. I keep Using PA as an example because I am familiar with the specifics in PA.
The PA constitution requires secret ballots – Mailin voting is not secret ballots.
The PA constitution requires in person voting with few exceptions. It bars excuse free absentee or mailin voting.
PA Act 77 the 2019 PA Election law passed by the legislature and signed by the current governor requires
Rejecting all ballots received after 8pm election day.
Compliance of all voting with PA voter ID laws – in the case of mailin ballots it requires signature verification as well as confirmation fo a valid and matching DL# or State ID and an address within the district.
It requires the presence of observers at all parts of the election process as well as an objection and adjudication process.
Each of these things was not done either in PA overall or in a few democratic counties specifically.
Therefore the election itself was lawless.
Trump did not choose to have a lawless election – he is entitled to object.
The PA legislature did not choose to have a lawless election – they are entitled to object.
Those states that conducted their elections according to the law are entitled to object to those states that did not.
Was there sufficient actual fraud in PA to alter the outcome ? It is highly likely. But ultimately that is NOT the actual standard.
Because the law was not followed the actual extent of the fraud was not known.
Finally it is not the duty of those challenging election results to run the elections lawfully – it was the duty of the states and counties.
Because the elections were not conducted lawfully you will NEVER succeed in establishing the results as legitimate.
“If Biden or Obama engaged in such attempts with the same lack of proof as Trump it can be guaranteed republicans would be losing their minds just over the idea of an attempt. ”
Had Republicans conducted lawless elections – Biden and Obama would have every right to object.
If there are states that Trump won that did not follow their own election laws – Biden should be challenging those results.
“Right now the majority of republicans will have to come to terms over their enabling of such behavior.”
Nope, you do not get to dictate what others must do.
You may manage to coronate Biden. But he is not going to escape the stain of illegitamcy.
There are similarities between this election and the democrats failure to accept 2016.
But there is one major difference – the collusion delusion was never credible and ultimately proved to be false.
The 2020 election was conducted lawlessly in several states – and that can not be fixed, or refuted.
You are stuck with that forever.
” On Jan 6. They will vote on certifying the results of the election.”
Correct
“If they vote on certification they lose all credibility.”
False, first you presume that the votes of about 300 legislators permanently change the views of 75M people.
But you further presume that an unwillingness to put the country through the violence that will certainly occur if the results are challenged is the same as aggreement.
“If they contest the vote, they will be forced to provide hard proof of their claims.”
That is not how the process works.
If one senator and one representative objects to the electors from one state, the house and senate each independently vote to accept or reject those electors. How they choose to do that is up to the respective chambers.
Further the fundimental issue is not fraud – it is lawlessness. The actual extent of fraud is indeterminate because of the lawless nature of the election.
“None has been produced so far.”
False plenty of evidence of fraud has been produced.
And the lawlessness is an established fact.
John say, Even the Pennsylvania Supreme Court does not agree with you.
The president is currently trying to subvert the will of every Biden voter without proof of fraud and unlawful voting rules. No court has been able to agree on any of the arguments made by the President’s lawyers. Even by the President’s own appointed judges.
If some republicans choose to challenge the results they will HAVE to provide proof their challenges are worthy. If they fail they will stain the party as the one that tried to steal the election.
The PA supreme court ruled before the election that the State of Pennsylvania was allowed to cheat in the election.
This is not a case of agreeing of disagreeing. This is a case of the court being a major part of the problem.
There is absolutely no disagreement over what the PA constitution or PA Election law is.
The PA SCOTUS merely disagrees that the law and constitution must be followed.
Is that your idea of the rule of law ?
You have not found a problem in my arguments – you have found a flaw in YOURS
PA SCOTUS did not interpret the law or constitution in an odd way they just said – Ignore the law and constitution.
When courts to that we are lawless.
“The president is currently trying to subvert the will of every Biden voter without proof of fraud and unlawful voting rules. No court has been able to agree on any of the arguments made by the President’s lawyers. Even by the President’s own appointed judges.”
You should actually read the oppinions that you are spouting about – they do not say what you claim.
“If some republicans choose to challenge the results they will HAVE to provide proof their challenges are worthy. If they fail they will stain the party as the one that tried to steal the election.”
Almost 50% of the country already beleives this election has stained the democratic party – how are you planning on recovering from that ?
I am not expecting a successfull challenge to the election in the house or senate. Ultimately they will decide like the courts have that the danger of mass left wing violence is just too great. That the problem can be dealt with quietly in other ways.
That said you are incorrect about the process. Should one senator and one representative challenge a states slate of electors. How the house and senate proceed is up to each chamber. Though they have very limited time to reach a conclusion. Ultimately and probably quickly the house and senate will each vote, and if the vote is split the proposed electors are retained.
Whether you like it or not there is plenty of proof – that is not an issue.
Here is RCP’s running list of election related claims along with links to the news stories and or supporting evidence.
This is not all claims.
https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2020/12/07/a_running_compendium_of_fraud_charges_in_election_2020_126261.html
Dr. Larry Arnn, from Hillsdale, gave a terrific speech recently regarding these fascists and the totalitarian regime they inspire to rule us. He cited passages from Orwell’s 1984 that truly capture events happening today.
We have cut the links between child and parent, and between man and man, and between man and woman. No one dares trust a wife or a child or a friend any longer. But in the future there will be no wives and no friends. Children will be taken from their mothers at birth, as one takes eggs from a hen. The sex instinct will be eradicated. Procreation will be an annual formality like the renewal of a ration card. . . . There will be no loyalty, except loyalty toward the Party. There will be no love, except the love of Big Brother. There will be no laughter, except the laugh of triumph over a defeated enemy. . . . All competing pleasures will be destroyed. But always—do not forget this Winston—always there will be the intoxication of power, constantly increasing and constantly growing subtler. Always, at every moment, there will be the thrill of victory, the sensation of trampling on an enemy who is helpless. If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face—forever.
https://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/orwells-1984-today/?utm_campaign=imprimis&utm_medium=email&_hsmi=103982981&_hsenc=p2ANqtz-_pDWFOEZ6wYhQ71QkSsVgMHePUZV57B-VrtuW5lBx6OrZlzmzHKIXk4ubfp8zDoL-smPRMUVj04i3AqZuvTBQyVcz1jA&utm_content=103982981&utm_source=hs_email
Dr. Larry Arnn, from Hillsdale….
From the link you provided:
“Larry P. Arnn is the twelfth president of Hillsdale College. He received his B.A. from Arkansas State University and his M.A. and Ph.D. in government from the Claremont Graduate School.”
Happily you did not cite Dr Jill Biden
Happily you did not cite Dr Jill Biden
Why would I?
Good response!
and Orwell, a great novelist and journalist, foolishly believed that the anarchists in the Spanish Civil war were the answer. He volunteered to fight with them against those who were called fascists in that era,. the rebel side of Franco in that war.
But his very own book, Diaries of Catalonia, illustrates what a farce the anarchist militia was. Essentially, he claims that the Soviet advisers used the Civil War to eradicate the Trotskyite enemies of Stalin. Orwell’s later book 1984, is a warning against totalitarians, which people can fit to whatever strong-man they dislike. Stalin, Hitler, whomever
Anarchists habitually misunderstand both friend and foe. They are only useful as cannon fodder for billionaires in the end.
From the Catalonians of 1935 to the ANTIFA of today.
“power, constantly increasing and constantly growing subtler.”
remember he wrote 1984 in 49 or so, well after his misadventure in the Catalonian POUM. one suspects he felt that he had been cheated and tricked., if you have read both works, it seems obvious.
but make no mistake. we would need a lot of power to overturn our foes, the billionaires. boy they have one thing in common with 1984’s big brother: TV and endless electronic surveillance!
in the end, there is no way getting around against social hierarchies. ending hierarchy is impossible. that is the fantasy of anarchists not myself
Orwell had a critique but not an answer.
In the end, it’s up to the people to work out the answer to the eternal question, “quis custodiet ipses custodiem?” if I have my latin right
but to get to the point of luxury where you can worry about that, first you have to stop being a slave. and that always and everywhere means defying your masters
Saloth Sar
When is Turley going to update his column effectively challenging Dominion and Smartmatic to sue their accusers? You owe it.
You should also apologize for claiming the “voter fraud” charges were worthy of an investigation to be supported by Biden. NO, it wasn’t, never was, and if you have principles and are a man you’ll admit it. Earn back some respect. That’s what Fox and Newsmax decided to do, though in their cases they;re running scared from those lawsuits you speculated would not come.
Meanwhile Dominion and Smartmatic are releasing the Kraken.
“US TV networks Fox News and Newsmax have aired segments highlighting the lack of evidence linking electronic voting machines to fraud in the US election.
The networks had received legal threats from Smartmatic, a voting technology company targeted by fraud allegations.
President Donald Trump’s team have used unfounded claims about voting machines in a bid to overturn his defeat.
Members of his team appeared repeatedly on the channels to push the theory.
Fox News ran a two-minute fact-check in the form of questions and answers on three different programmes on Saturday which denied allegations of manipulation or fraud by the two companies.
Newsmax published an online piece and aired a segment on “facts about Dominion, Smartmatic you should know”.
Smartmatic, which builds electronic voting systems, announced last week that it had sent “legal notices and retraction demand letters” to Fox News, Newsmax and One America News Network, accusing the three outlets of “publishing false and defamatory statements”.
“The demand letters identify dozens of factually inaccurate statements made by each of the organisations as part of a ‘disinformation campaign’ to injure Smartmatic and discredit the 2020 US election,” read a statement on the company’s website…..”
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55413932
“A defamation law firm representing Dominion Voting Systems has sent letters to White House counsel Pat Cipollone and President Donald Trump’s personal attorney Rudy Giuliani instructing them to preserve all records related to the company at the center of Trump’s conspiracy theories and warning Giuliani that legal action is “imminent.”
Through two well-known defamation attorneys, Dominion Voting Systems sent letters to Cipollone and Giuliani Tuesday, demanding Giuliani stop making “defamatory claims against Dominion” and ensure there is “no confusion about your obligation to preserve and retain all documents relating to Dominion and your smear campaign against the company.” The attorneys told Cipollone their preservation request is vast and includes conversations White House officials had with attorneys like Giuliani or Sidney Powell regarding Dominion.
Since he lost the election, Trump, his attorneys and his supporters have baselessly alleged that machines made by the voting machine manufacturer were manipulated to change votes from Trump to President-elect Joe Biden or delete votes for Trump. Dominion’s CEO has defended the company’s work repeatedly, and now appears prepared to take legal action against those in the President’s inner circle….”
https://abc17news.com/politics/national-politics/2020/12/24/giuliani-told-to-preserve-all-records-as-lawyers-for-dominion-warn-legal-action-is-imminent/
Thank you for the Russian perspective on election fraud in America.
Dude, your favorite conspiracies are too crackpot for Fox, Newsmax, and Clarence Thomas.
Comrade Joe:
Dude? What are you some holdover from the 90s? You need a better American handler there, malarky mind.
mespo727272 once again resorts to ad hominem because he has nothing meaningful to say.
mespo727272 clearly enjoys insulting people and looks for opportunities to do it.
Anonymous, right here we find another who thinks you are a pri ck. Is he another Allan? Mespo provides content. You don’t. But then again this may be Joe Friday who isn’t much different than anonymous except his posts lack credibility because he actually said something and you did not.
What a mess we have. You seem to be the problem.
No, Allan, mespo727272 isn’t you. The two of you are both unpleasant, but you have different personalities.
It seems to be really getting under your skin that I can see who you are even when you post anonymously. Your verbal and behavioral tics give you away. What a wanker you are.
You are now a psychiatrist. Medical schools don’t admit dummies.
Mespo is one of the better ankle biters on these comments page, but that’s like being the tallest midget.
Re: Dominion and its apologists
They’re like that famous quote about the Jesuits: They’re accused of killing three men and a dog. Their response is to produce the dog, triumphantly.
Incidentally, the “retractions” by Fox and Newsmax aren’t even about the dog. They’re about the dog’s lineage and which other dogs he sniffed at the park.
What do you think of Croomer’s lawsuit?
https://wp-cpr.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/2020/12/Complaint-2020-12-221-Eric-Coomer-Suit-Filed-Stamped.pdf
Coomer “is entitled to his political opinion.” (from the suit)
That is true. And others are entitled to use that opinion to prove that he has a *motive* to rig the election.
Imagine this: You’re the *head of security” (not just some “employee” or “worker”) at a voting systems company, whose products are used throughout the U.S. On your Facebook page, you post rabidly pro-Antifa statements. You also post (vile) statements condemning a candidate (Trump) in the upcoming presidential *election*.
What kind of idiot does that? As the *Security Chief*, you and your company’s reputation depend on being (and being viewed as) nonpartisan and trustworthy. Your “political opinion,” openly expressed on Facebook, shatters that trust. And now you’re shocked that honest people don’t trust you — or your company?!
The kind of idiot who does that is the one with a god complex — who feels that he is “beyond good and evil” — who feels that he can get away with *anything*.
Coomer’s attempt to portray himself, in the lawsuit, as nonpartisan (not a member of any group, etc.) is a “wilderness of mirrors.”
The Oltmann claim about the conference call is trickier. Without a recording or corroborating witnesses (fat chance), it’s he said, she said — which then comes down to credibility. However, given Coomer’s Facebook posts, the claim is credible.
PS Didn’t some of you Trumpsters believe this nonsense? Yeah,you did, but of course you believe anything the Mango Mussolini says, including where hurricanes threaten and who will pay for a wall. Not the brightest bunch.
“A top employee of Dominion Voting Systems, who has gone into hiding after becoming the subject of conspiracy theories on the right since the election, is suing the Trump campaign, a number of campaign surrogates and pro-Trump media outlets, alleging defamation.
Eric Coomer, director of product strategy and security for the Denver-based company, has been baselessly accused of using his position to mastermind a high-tech plot to steal the election for President-elect Joe Biden. Biden’s victory has been certified in the states by officials of both parties with no evidence of widespread fraud or irregularities.
Coomer’s suit, filed Tuesday in Colorado state district court in Denver, accuses those responsible of spreading the falsehoods of intentional infliction of emotional distress and civil conspiracy.
The lawsuit says the claims made about Coomer have led to death threats, constant harassment and “untold damage to his reputation as a national expert on voting systems.” Coomer was forced to leave his home one week after the presidential election ended and move to a safe undisclosed location where he remains.
Among those being sued, along with the president’s campaign, are his personal attorney Rudy Giuliani and outside lawyer Sidney Powell, who has been spotted at the White House in recent days as the president has continued to look for ways of overturning the election, including a meeting with conservative lawmakers who are planning an ill-fated push to challenge state electors when Congress certifies their votes on Jan. 6….
Coomer is also suing figures in right-wing media, including the networks Newsmax and One America News Network, OANN reporter Chanel Rion, blogger Michelle Malkin and others.
Coomer said the allegations against him began with a conservative Colorado activist and podcaster, Joe Oltmann, who is also named in the suit. Several days after the election Oltmann said that he’d infiltrated an earlier call with Denver-area antifa members and heard a man identified as “Eric from Dominion” say he would make sure Trump wouldn’t win the election. According to Oltmann, the man said, “Don’t worry about the election. Trump is not going to win. I made effing sure of that.”
Oltmann has never provided a recording of that call, but the allegation spread rapidly through right-wing social media, making its way to pro-Trump media outlets now included in the lawsuit.
On Wednesday, Oltmann defended himself against the lawsuit on a podcast. “I don’t write stuff on my social media that, that frankly, that I wouldn’t be able to defend. I don’t,” he said.
Coomer said that conversation never took place and that he has no association with left-wing groups.
“I have a personal political opinion. I may share that with friends and family, but I have never participated, or belonged to, any political groups, political action groups, social justice groups. I do not donate to political campaigns. I don’t donate to any PACs or anything like that,” he told CPR News.
In addition to his own information, Coomer said the personal addresses of everyone from his parents and siblings to his ex-girlfriends have been posted online. Some have also received threatening letters.
He said he’s hopeful this lawsuit will help him reclaim his personal and professional reputation, “While I intend to do everything I can to recapture my prior lifestyle, I have few illusions in this regard.”
https://www.npr.org/2020/12/22/949294173/dominion-voting-systems-employee-sues-trump-campaign-and-allies-for-defamation
Joe, you know damn well Turley will not write about anything that is not on the Trump cult list. He’s got them living in the bubble of their own making, with of course Turley’s help and enabling complicit posts.
IF you have evidence of malfeasance – present it.
Hunter Biden being paid – even by foriegn parties is not illegal.
Failing to report the income to the IRS is .
Joe Biden abusing his power as Vice President to benefit Hunter is illegal.
Yea we finally get to go to court.
“Didn’t some of you Trumpsters believe this nonsense?”
A bizarre standard ? Facts are not determined by “belief”. Sydney Powell’s claims are allegations – not facts. The very late responses – are counter allegations NOT FACTS.
There are some ACTUAL FACTS – such as the Antrim County issue that make Powells claim plausable – which BTW would be the standard in a defamation case. There really were 5000+ trump votes switched to Biden in Antrim country. I beleive there was a similar error in GA, but I am less informed on that. It is also established as and actual fact that DVS systems will let election adjudicators scan and count blank ballots., that it will allow them to count the same ballot over and over, and that it will allow them to change votes on ballots.
There is an allegation by Powell that the number was far larger. that has neither been oproven nor disproven todate.
And actual hand recount in GA would have gone a long way towards that.
“Yeah,you did, but of course you believe anything the Mango Mussolini says, including where hurricanes threaten and who will pay for a wall. Not the brightest bunch.”
Do you have evideence that Trump is a fascist – or is that more lies and defamation.
We have been through the huricane claim long ago – you lost it.
It is not smart to continue to make demonstrably false claims.
Repeating the same proveably false claim over and over does not make you more credible – no matter what side of the aisle you are own.
““A top employee of Dominion Voting Systems, who has gone into hiding after becoming the subject of conspiracy theories on the right since the election, is suing the Trump campaign, a number of campaign surrogates and pro-Trump media outlets, alleging defamation.”
The last consequential instance of purportedly right wing political violence was the OKC bombing.
Trump supporters are threatened and actually beaten every day.
I am not aware of anyone naming a specific person in dominion as engaged in voting fraud.
I do not think even Sydney Powell has accused a person in DVS of voter fraud.
Further, we all know how significant purported right wing threats are – look at Jussie Smollet.
“Eric Coomer, director of product strategy and security for the Denver-based company, has been baselessly accused of using his position to mastermind a high-tech plot to steal the election for President-elect Joe Biden. ”
By who ? I have not seen an allegation of voter fraud targeting a specific person.
“Biden’s victory has been certified in the states by officials of both parties”
True and not relevant.
“with no evidence of widespread fraud or irregularities.”
False – the election laws were not followed – that is wide spread irregularity – it is actual fraud, it was wide spread.
And it is impossible to determine its effect on the outcome of the election.
Each of those statements is a fact.
“Coomer’s suit, filed Tuesday in Colorado state district court in Denver, accuses those responsible of spreading the falsehoods of intentional infliction of emotional distress and civil conspiracy.”
You still have not provided evidence that Coomer was specifically accused of election fraud”
“The lawsuit says the claims made about Coomer have led to death threats”
There are periodic death threats on this board as well as other threats of violence targeting individuals coming from the left.
Myriads of left wing celebrities have publicly speculated about the death of Trump. There was even a play about it. And Griffith did a skit beheading Trump.
“constant harassment and “untold damage to his reputation as a national expert on voting systems.””
The GA legislative hearing severely and legitimately demanged DVS’s reputation
They should put more effort into fixing their systems.
“Coomer was forced to leave his home one week after the presidential election ended and move to a safe undisclosed location where he remains.”
How was he forced ? Did men with guns knock on his door ?
“Among those being sued, along with the president’s campaign, are his personal attorney Rudy Giuliani and outside lawyer Sidney Powell, who has been spotted at the White House in recent days as the president has continued to look for ways of overturning the election, including a meeting with conservative lawmakers who are planning an ill-fated push to challenge state electors when Congress certifies their votes on Jan. 6….”
Again is there evidence that ANY of these made public claims regarding Coomer ? If not his lawsuit must be dismissed immediately.
Absolutely lots of people are meeting with trump to stratagize challenges to an election that nearly half the country thinks has fraud significant enough to change the results.
You do not seem to grasp that sunlight is the best disinfectant. If as you say all the assorted claims are false – than why are you so busy trying to hide the ball ?
All that was necescary was to follow the actual election laws and you would not be dealing with this. We would have a clear victor.
But you did not do that.
“According to Oltmann, the man said, “Don’t worry about the election. Trump is not going to win. I made effing sure of that.”
You seem to think this implicates Oltmann – it actually exonerates him. Unless you can prove Oltmann made this up -which is hard to do. The question in a lawsuit will not be whether the claim is true or false – but whether Oltmann was told it was said.
“Oltmann has never provided a recording of that call”
It is illegal to record phone calls without the consent of both parties in some states.
Regardless, we are not all obligated to record everything we have heard.
“On Wednesday, Oltmann defended himself against the lawsuit on a podcast. “I don’t write stuff on my social media that, that frankly, that I wouldn’t be able to defend. I don’t,” he said.”
Sounds like Oltmann is prepared to defend his claim.
“Coomer said that conversation never took place and that he has no association with left-wing groups.”
If Coomer said that – it will be something that is open for discovery in the lawsuit.
““I have a personal political opinion. I may share that with friends and family, but I have never participated, or belonged to, any political groups, political action groups, social justice groups. I do not donate to political campaigns. I don’t donate to any PACs or anything like that,” he told CPR News.”
Again that will be subject to discovery.
“In addition to his own information, Coomer said the personal addresses of everyone from his parents and siblings to his ex-girlfriends have been posted online. Some have also received threatening letters.”
Wow, the left is angry that people are using their own tactics against them.
I am opposed to Doxing people.
But it is not a crime.
John say, “ There really were 5000+ trump votes switched to Biden in Antrim country.” No there were not switched. That claim has not been proven to be true. The paper trail produced by the machines validate the machines did tabulate the ballots correctly. This is why the claim holds no water in court.
https://www.michigan.gov/som/0,4669,7-192-47796-547883–,00.html
“That claim has not been proven to be true.”
That the exact error was not known at the time. There were an error of thousands of votes that went for Biden and had to be reversed. There is now an explanation. Whether or not that is a good explanation for the shift in votes is not entirely clear to everyone. However, it demonstrated a very serious problem with the voting process.
Svelaz link is itself extremely disturbing.
We KNOW that there was a 5000 vote flip in Michigan in one county.
That flip alone would change AZ, and GA and very close to flip NV and WI.
Yet the Michigan government web site completely ignores that error, and pretends it never happened.
Whatever the cause of the error it is extremely disturbing – it shifted 5000 biden votes to Trump creating a 9000+ vote change.
And we have the Michigan government pretending there was only a 12 vote change.
Regardless, we can design vote counting systems that can be completely trusted – even ones that use computers.
But doing so requires checks and balances. Mostly the checks that prevent or detect errors, also prevent or detect fraud and visa versa.
Today we do not have checks and balances on voting systems – especially for mailin ballots.
Worse we have seen all these states fight every effort to validate their voting/counting tooth and nail.
And then when they have had to do so, to do the least possible and then lie about it.
When things of this nature pop up in one area they invariably pop up elsewhere. So far things are not transparent so I wouldn’t trust what any official or judge says. Judges can deal with part of a case and completely forget about the rest. They also don’t provide a guarantee that they are sufficiently qualified to judge the elements in this case.
We have one of the worst problems possible. Virtually unsolvable. A few people decided that our system to elect our top officials needed to be destroyed.
I am really really disturbed by the MI web page – because it is quite obviously perpetrating a fraud.
It completely ignores a huge documented change in the Antrim county tallies, and pretends there was only a 12 vote changes.
That is a lie, and this is a government site.
So why would we trust these people on any other aspect of the election ?
Agreed. The left has lied and abused the law so much one cannot trust what they say and with the media in their pocket one cannot trust the media.
But we have facts of where laws were broken. Some of the turkey’s on this blog wish to forget about those things because they believe that their ball team is superior. The problem is none of them know what their ball team stands for. None of them even know what they stand for.
Anonymous discussed fascism, nazism, socialism comparing and then seeing whether leftism or so-called rightism came closer to those first three isms. He didn’t know a thing. He got things backward. He researched to provide sentences that said the wrong thing only because that agreed with what he wrongfully believe.
Did he deal with which of the isms want smaller government. Of course not. He is too ignorant and arrogant to look closely. Fascism and socialism want larger government like the left. The right wants smaller government.
Did he deal with the state and large corporations? Of course not. That requires a bit of thinking. The left of today is teamed with the largest corporations not the right.
What about the media. The fascists, socialists and Nazi’s all had control over the media and for the most part the left has control including social media and the left wants to censor the media just like the Nazi’s, fascists and socialists did.
Anonymous represents the stupid and arrogant side of America which is no longer small. That side is leading us down the drain.
LMAO that you’re giving me so much rent-free space in your head.
Everything outside of government ultimately lives or dies based on trust.
Free exchange is by definition FREE – we can say no. A decline in trust inevitably results in a decline in business.
Government is NOT free exchange – it is force.
A decline in the trust of those empowered to use force purportedly legitimately undermines the foundations of govenrment and leads to anarchy.
The big deal about this election – is NOT who won, but whether all of us trust the outcome.
We have already seen int he past 4 years the damage that occurs when trust in the legitimacy of elections is eroded.
In the instance of the past 4 years that erosion was a consequence of a nonsensical claim that Russia had tipped the election.
This claim was a farce – both because it was not true, and because even if true so long as Russian “influence” was through persuasion not coercion it is legitimate. An election is not illegitimate because someone you do not like persuaded people to vote for someone else you do not like.
I rarely attack Sorros, or Blumeberg or Stier – except to note the hyporcracy of those on the left as they become the party of everything they claim to hate – like wall street, billionaires and big corportations.
All these groups – as well as Russia or China are free to “influence” our elections through persuasion.
We can call attention to the fact that they are doing so. But we can not legitimately bar them from doing so.
But the damage to trust in government from 2020 is different. The challenge is NOT to the efforts to persuade voters. It is not to the votes of legitimnate voters. It is to the legitimacy of a process that failed to follow laws designed to separate legitimate votes from illegitimate ones.
John say, “ We KNOW that there was a 5000 vote flip in Michigan in one county.”
Show proof that “we KNOW”. Your claim is clearly false. To simply “know” is not proof of your claim. It’s just hearsay at best.
There were checks and balances. It’s how mistakes are discovered. The machines produced a paper trail that verified the tabulated votes were correct.
It’s interesting that only a few years ago it was Republican dominated states that fought against the use of paper verification on electronic voting machines. Now we have a reason why they are essential and have shown there were no votes switched.
“It’s interesting that only a few years ago it was Republican dominated states that fought against the use of paper verification on electronic voting ”
I don’t know if your facts are correct because all too frequently they are not or they are misleading, but this demonstrates the difference from you and those that care about good government. You look at party and then make a decision. John Say has principles. He looks at principle and then draws conclusions. Party has little or nothing to do with his responses.
You also use selective data. For all we know at a different time Democrats may have fought against the use of paper ballots. You search for data that proves your point and that makes you totally non credible. John Say looks at data from all sides.
This difference is one reason why John is credible and you are not.
There are people from both parties that have worked hard to improve elections – and failed.
And those in both parties who have worked hard to corrupt elections.
Bush, Republicans and democrats are all responsible for the odious computerized voting systems that have no audit trail.
I fought against that at the time, I have been fighting against computerized voting systems for 2 decades. I have been fighting for trustworthy elections for 2 decades.
There is sufficient fraud in inperson elections that are 1000 times more trustworthy that mailin voting that we could easily have a fraudulently elected representative or senator or even president.
We should not forget that Bush V Gore came down to 150 votes in Florida.
One need not finger either Bush or Gore to assert that is just to close to trust the results.
Fraud could easily have tipped the election either way.
Regardless, it is not especially difficult to conduct an election that we can trust the results.
In fact there are MANY ways to do so.
This election is an object lesson in how to NOT conduct an election.
“Show proof that “we KNOW”. Your claim is clearly false. ”
The proof has been demonstrated on the blog multiple times.
The claim is not false. Something happened. An excuse has been provided. The same thing could have happened elsewhere. When criminals are at work sometimes it’s hard to distinguish between their mistakes and their criminality.
You consistently provide distractions in an attempt to prove your ideas correct, but you fail miserably.
Svelaz – really ? Are you serious ?
This has been reported frequently.
Though the MI state web site is now hiding it. Pretty much no one debates the flip occured.
The only open question is what was the cause of the flip.
Powell says DVS.
DVS says election officials failed to apply a late software patch.
There is some other claim of a different form of human error.
Regardless the 5000 vote flip is not challenged by any but you.
There was also a several thousand vote flip during the GA recount.
I forget the cause. But it did not change who won, and GA has not corrected their count to reflect Trump;s gains from the recount.
The flip was due to human error, not the machines or programming. The flip was caught and corrected and the final tabulation by machine was confirmed by a hand recount of paper ballots. All recounts performed to date have confirmed machine results and that includes Georgia and Wisconsin. Counties using Dominion machines in the 6 swing states went overwhelmingly for Trump. The President’s own federal cyber-security agency declared the results sound and the election the most secure against cyber manipulation EVER.
Of course John cannot admit he was not only wrong, but ignorantly wrong – this information is a couple of weeks old now -and will weasel some new reason to keep believing what he has to believe or his world falls apart. No one else has to and I advise against it.
“The flip was due to human error, not the machines or programming. ”
First you say there was no flip, and you provide a MI state web page to prove it.
Now you claim to know precisely why. And you are to be beleived ? Why ?
“All recounts performed to date have confirmed machine results and that includes Georgia and Wisconsin.”
Again because you say so ?
“The President’s own federal cyber-security agency declared the results sound and the election the most secure against cyber manipulation EVER.”
Yes aint that an obvious load of crock. We are in the midst of a gigantic hack – no matter who did it and the Federal Cyber Security guy is crowing ? And you are citing him ?
Look I do not beleive Powell’s claim is litterally correct.
But I absolutely do beleive it has not been properly investigated – in fact no claims have been properly investigated.
“Of course John cannot admit he was not only wrong,”
I have corrected past errors on the rare instances I have made them.
How about you ?
We have several bogus claims today you have not corrected ?
“This information is a couple of weeks old now”
Correct, yet just a few posts ago you denied that it even happened. And we are supposed to beleive you now ?
“will weasel some new reason to keep believing what he has to believe or his world falls apart.”
I think one of the weakest claims is the DVS directly altered votes claim. My world will not fall apart if it proves false.
The more intesting issue – one that has been proven is that DVS software allows scanning and voting blank ballots, scanning ballots multiple times, and altering ballots without a decent audit trail.
the fact that is possible – and that has been proven requires both investigation and procedural changes in the future.
This demonstrates precisely why observers are needed, and why checks and actual audits need to be in place.
Yet you keep trying to evade this.
Svelaz – the fight against election fraud has been bipartisan at times.
the fight to push bad schemes has also been bipartisan.
Regardless, I am STILL not a republican.
Further I have been fighting consistently to improve the trust of our elections since 2000.
That we actually conducted the 2020 election with mass mailin voting should be a huge embarrassment.
I do not beleive another western nation uses mailin voting – not even during a pandemic.
There is no system of voting that is more fraud prone.
Ballots should absolutely never exist outside of the precints where people vote.
I beleive 28 US states have secret ballot provisions in their state constitutions.
These make mailin balloting unconstitutional.
PA is absolutely among those.
These constitutional changes were made in the late 19th and early 20th centuries as a result of massive election fraud that is a consequence of any voting scheme that allows a voter to demonstrate to 3rd parties how they voted.
That ALWAYS leads to large amounts of fraud.
As does any arrangement that results in ballots being outside of precincts and courthouses.
You ranted about mail delays – that is just one of infinite numbers of problems when Ballots are floating around in public.
The Philadelphia enquirer conducted a test during the primaries and found a 6% loss rate of ballots in the mail just going one way.
If ballots are publicly available, they can be forged, they can be stolen then can be injected. they can be altered.
They can be prefilled out. People can be coerced or bribed for their vote.
Any voting arrangement where ballots are out in public can not be secured and will never be trustworthy.
Why am I supposed to beleive the Michigan Dept of state ? The same people who got it wrong in the first place ?
The post you linked to is in Error. It is well documented that the machine count on election night was over 10,000 votes different.
The very fact that MI is claiming that there was only a 12 vote change – makes the assumption that people are stupid and completely forgot that Antrim country was called for Biden on Election night.
We are all aware of the 5000 vote flip – nor was it the only one. The Claim is that it was a result of a failure to apply a software update.
Changes to election equipment in the last 30 days before and election are illegal.
When you and MI engage in deception like this you destroy your own credibility.
Here is MSN reporting from the day after the election.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/election-results-from-michigans-antrim-county-investigated-after-flipping-to-blue/ar-BB1aHd2M
We can debate the precise cause of the error – but the FACT is that there was an error.
Nor is it the only error. In fact there have been dozens, possibly hundreds of corrections to the final votes so far.
Some have been large, some have been small. Almost every single change has added votes to Trump.
That in and of itself is damning.
Turley noted in a prior article that recounts almost never result in large changes. For good reason – random errors – and all elections have random errors, tend to balance. If Trump was shorted 12 voted in one place he picked up 10 votes he should not have somewhere else.
That is the nature of random errors. We are seeing that in the NY representative election that has flipped 4 times as the recount progressed. The errors tend to cancel each other out to a very large extent.
But there is a huge exception to Turley’s assertion – and that is where there is bias or fraud.
The mere fact that Trump has picked up thousands of votes in pretty much every state as a result of recanvasses or recounts or finding “errors” is all by itself proof that there was at the very least bias in the election processing.
Random errors never favor one side nearly all the time. The fact that the errors are heavily tilted one way is proof of bias in the process.
Sophist.
“A defamation law firm representing Dominion Voting Systems has sent letters to White House counsel Pat Cipollone and President Donald Trump’s personal attorney Rudy Giuliani instructing them to preserve all records related to the company at the center of Trump’s conspiracy theories and warning Giuliani that legal action is “imminent.”
That’s a demand letter numbnuts, not a lawsuit. Should Dominion decide to take the next step and file suit the Defendants will file counter-claims.
Discovery is a two way street Joey ChiCom, and Dominion will regret the incredibly ironic part about “instructing them to preserve all records”. Which is also a two way street.
Do you actually think this letter caught them by surprise?
You have all the sophistication of a ditch digger.
Rhodes pretends Turley and other dead-enders like him were not celebrating Dominion and Smartmatic’s lack of a legal response as the equivalence of a admission of guilt.
The demand letter means get in line with Fox and Newsmax and eat public crow and we’ll leave you alone, jerk o….
Absolutely many of us wondered why Domion did not respond quickly.
We still do. Powell’s claims left unanswered are incredibly destructive to the company.
And yet here we are fully a month after the election before the first demand for a retraction.
Now it looks like DVS is reacting purely because if they continued to be silent more and more people will beleive something is going on.
FRankly, they are in trouble. The DVS software demonstration before the GA legislature is damning.
While it does not precisely fit Powell’s claims – it is close enough that any DVS defamation claim if even possible will go down in flames.
Further The myriads of exposures of DVS problems – as well as DVS’s broad response opens up significant discovery.
DVS would have been wise to stick to a single specific Defamatory claim made and repeated by Powell. By targeting nearly everyone – they are saying that ALL claims against DVS are defamation – and many of the claims are true. Worse whatever and whoever DVS goes after increases the discovery into DVS itself.
John say, the time it takes to gather enough evidence to present a defamation case, especially when it’s ongoing, is not something you can gather instantly. Dominion and smartmatic had reason to take a while to answer. Now they have a strong case to present in court. This is why you’re seeing retractions being made by Fox News and news max. They KNOW they are not in a good position to defend themselves in court.
” the time it takes to gather enough evidence to present a defamation case, especially when it’s ongoing, is not something you can gather instantly. ”
Yet your fellow travelers believe on day one whatever fraud, conspiracy etc. that occurred during the election should have been revealed with proof within days despite the much more difficult circumstances.
I hope they go to court. Maybe the depositions will reveal what actually occurred. Let’s see if it makes it there.
Coomer has already filed a defamation suit.
Is that on behalf of Dominion or himself? If it is not on behalf of Dominion then the depositions will be more limited and he can drop the case at a later time if the depositions become troublesome leaving Dominion untouched.
What was your point? That is a question that you keep getting asked.
You said “Maybe the depositions will reveal what actually occurred.” There will be depositions in Coomer’s suit.
You seem to have a difficult time understanding the point of simple statements. I’m pretty sure that you’re a native English speaker, Allan, so what accounts for your difficulty?
“You said “Maybe the depositions will reveal what actually occurred.” There will be depositions in Coomer’s suit.”
There will be depositions in NJ about that hit and run car accident but those depositions won’t dig into Dominions history and actions. I can speak English anonymous. You can read English but you don’t seem to adequately comprehend the written language. Maybe you require a comic book version.
DVS and smartmatic are between a rock and a hard place.
A late defamation suit MIGHT stem the flow of red ink.
Regardless, if they do not contest the Powell claims they are done as a business.
Therefore they MUST.
What is disturbing is why it took so long.
But they must do more than sue Powell.
They must win – decisively if they expect to remain in business.
That is unlikely. But the lawsuit atleast delays things.
Barnes claimed that discovery against DVS would be limited – i do not think so.
Everything that DVS has said or done in response opens them up to discovery.
They could have gone for narrow discovery by sticking to the most narrow claim – that DVS systems did not automatically change votes from Trump to Biden. That would have limited discovery. But Powell would still have an excellent defence – that DVS might not litterally do that, but that it is proven that they ENABLE that.
But DVS and Coomer have come back with a broad counter – Coomer is claiming intentional inflicting emotional distress.
Broad responses enable broad discovery.
Frankly Powell might have a counter defamation claim.
This is a very complex issue for the parties involved. My suspicion is they will not decisively act until Biden is securely in office and the public’s concern has died down if they act decisively at all.
I would not have wanted to buy into their company at their previous value.
“John say, the time it takes to gather enough evidence to present a defamation case,”
No it does not.
Defamation – by definition is not done in secret.
If it takes you months to figure out that some remark about you is defamation – then it is not – pretty much by definition.
The first step in any defamation claim is to demand a retraction – it has taken 6 weeks for DVS to do that.
That is damning. i beleive at this Time Coomer MIGHT have filed a case. DVS has not.
Both have made stupid demands to preserve evidence – the evidence is what has been published.
“especially when it’s ongoing”
All the more reason to act quickly
“is not something you can gather instantly.”
Yes, it is. Coomer/DVS were defamed or they were not. The Evidence is the published remarks they claim are defamatory.
“Dominion and smartmatic had reason to take a while to answer.”
Yes, they wanted to ride their stock price down to the bottom.
This is a ludicrously stupid argument.
“Now they have a strong case to present in court.”
Nope.
“This is why you’re seeing retractions being made by Fox News and news max. They KNOW they are not in a good position to defend themselves in court.”
No, they just do not wish to be part of the lawsuit.
We see this all the time. Fox and NewsMax can get out of this lawsuit trivially, or substantially reduce their legal and other costs.
Further they are the deep pockets. No matter what the ultimate outcome – the retraction costs them little.
Conversely Powell and Wood have every reason to fight this to the bitter end.
Further even if they are never able to prove vote flipping on an automated basis. they already have plenty of evidence that DVS software enables a wide variety of forms of election fraud without any checks and balances. The GA legislature demonstrations are pretty damning.
The link below is an example of the kind of outcome you could get at English law.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dering_v_Uris
The point is that Powell’s claims do not need to be litterally correct to win.
Croomer has already filed suit, Rhodesy.
https://wp-cpr.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/2020/12/Complaint-2020-12-221-Eric-Coomer-Suit-Filed-Stamped.pdf
Eric Coomer is a snake, a liar and a Clinton Foundation beneficiary dating back to 2016. Nuff said
https://www.auditelectionsusa.org/2016/11/07/part-2-the-companies-that-most-likely-used-fraction-magic-this-year-and-their-hiding-behavior/
Dominion software designer Eric Coomer PhD admits that Dominion Fractionalizes Votes
I have just learned that Dominion Vice President and Chief Software designer Eric Coomer PhD, admitted to inserting vote fractionalizing into the Dominion election software systems when he was interviewed by Sharon Meroni of Defendthevote.com. He indicated that they do it “for marketing reasons”. I am completely shocked to hear this and will write more later on this piece of information. Dr. Coomer also mentioned that “vendors, election officials and deemed worthy are empowered to bypass the election system software and to go directly to the data tables that manage systems during the election.” This is of equal concern. I will be writing on this more later.
Where Does It Appear That Fraction Magic Was Used This Year?
The Democratic Primary Between Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders
It appears that it was used in the Democratic primary where votes for Hillary in a number of primaries were moving up in an exact duplicated fraction and votes for Bernie were losing in this exact fraction as well. electoralsystemincrisis dot org This is most likely indicative of an algorithm inserted into the tabulation program.
Is There Any Evidence for Dominion Being Involved in Influencing Elections this Year Using Fraction Magic?
Research reveals that Dominion has a very extensive involvement with the Clinton Foundation. From 2014-2015 Dominion has worked together with the Clinton Foundation on a 2.25 million dollar project to disseminate Dominion voting machines to underdeveloped countries. About 100 women in those countries would get jobs managing these voting machines. The link That follows gives more details on Dominion’s involvement with the Clinton foundation.
https://www.clintonfoundation.org/clinton-global-initiative/commitments/delian-project-democracy-through-technology.
If you believe that, you should be glad that he filed suit and is subject to discovery.
Time will tell.
Discovery!
Hear, hear!
Wait, lemme git ma popcorn!
All those beautiful certified ballots, all those beautiful vote-by-mail signed envelopes, all those beautiful, well-preserved digital and hard copy records in the “swing states.”
All that beautiful programing data.
Oh, my!
Were those “suitcase ballots,” which were pulled out from under tables in Georgia, processed by Dominion and Smartmatic?
DVS is likely caught between a rock and a hard place.
Ultimately I think this is the end of DVS.
But DVS is not the real problem. The election processes are the problem.
There is nothing that DVS software can do to coopt an election that can not be detected and corrected by proper election procedures.
If there are processes in place to assure that any fraud – whether by the machines or enabled by the machines is ultimately caught, the incentive to engage in fraud disappears.
It is not hard to thwart this. But it requires “the rule of law”.
It requires following the laws and procedures intended to detect, prevent or dissuade fraud in elections.
If Government acts outside its on laws – then fraud is trivial and undetectable.
“When is Turley going to update his column effectively challenging Dominion and Smartmatic to sue their accusers? You owe it.”
They took one hell of a long time to ask for a retraction. They have not yet actually filed a defamation claim.
Further thought todate there is only weak evidence that Powell’s litteral claim is correct, there is plenty of evidence that Powell’s claim is figuratively correct.
Further, Powell did not defame a person, she defamed a company. The beef industry already lost the argument that corporate defamation exists.
Finally, arguably these companies are public figures.
“You should also apologize for claiming the “voter fraud” charges were worthy of an investigation to be supported by Biden.”
Why they still are. Ultimately they will be. But more important the laws were not followed. The election was inarguably lawless.
Nothing changes that.
“if you have principles and are a man you’ll admit”
That the law was not followed, that according to the PA constitution Mailin elections are unconstitutional,.
That according to the PA constitution all elections that are not by secret ballot are unconstitutional.
That according to PA constitution all voting must be on election day, except where a constitutionally valid justification is provided for an absentee ballot.
If you do not like the PA constitution – the PA citizens can change it.
I would note that most states have similar or identical constitutional provisions.
Most states adopted secret balloting requirements in the late 19th or early 20th century as a result of a century of voted fraud through inducement and coercion.
These constitutional provisions exist for good reasons established by bad experience.
If there was no significant inducement or coercion in this election – that is temporary.
“Earn back some respect.”
Admit that these elections were lawless and unconstitutional.
“Meanwhile Dominion and Smartmatic are releasing the Kraken.”
They have taken a very long time to do the bare minimum.
It is unlikely that they will or can do much more.
“US TV networks Fox News and Newsmax have aired segments highlighting the lack of evidence linking electronic voting machines to fraud in the US election.”
So ? We do know that an error that resulting in a 10000+ vote swing in a single county occured in Michigan.
DVS claims that was human error. That is both incorrect and irrelevant. The machines improperly counted the votes giving Trump votes to Biden. That is not desputed. DVS’s claim is that humans failed to apply a late software update. Even if True – that is still a massive problem. It is still a software failure. Most states require Voting machines to be tested months before the election and not to be modified after the tests. Yet, we know in this election that DVS was updating their machines right up to election day – that is illegal.
Beyond that there has been no consequential effort to validate the machine counts. The GA recount turned out to NOT be a full recount and NOT be an actual had recount. At the moment the only place where any significant effort to verify the machines is occuring is Antrim County.
There is also video of a demonstration to the GA legislature showing exactly how DVS systems can be used to add ballots untraceably, to vote blank ballots and to modify ballots from voters to completely change all their votes – all untraceably.
You can watch the video yourself.
The “experts” report in Antrim county that has been mostly made public appears to overstate the magnitude of the flaws in DVS systems.
But it still credibly demonstrates that such flaws exist.
I do not expect that thorough scrutiny of voting machines will find deliberate fraud by DVS. But I do expect it will give us excellent reason to distrust electronic vote counting systems. I am not personally opposed to Electronic vote counting – though it is not necescary.
Potentially it can be less troublesome than manual counting. But we must have systems in place to ALWAYS validate electronic vote counting systems. In most instances those atleast partly exist. But like other election laws – they were ignored.
As noted above – most states forbid any changes to voting equipment after it has been tested – usually a month before the election.
As to actual credible claims of election fraud – Real Clear Politics maintains a list of the over 200 specific claims that have been made and the evidence to support each of these claims. Some are small, some are quite significant.
But the most important is that the 2020 election rejection rate for mailin/Absentee ballots was 1000 times lower than historical norms.
That means hundreds of thousands of votes were accepted that would have been rejected as likely illegitimate in any previous election – including the 2020 primaries. Improperly rejecting a ballot is a correctable problem. Improperly accepting a ballot that should have been rejected is not.
Maricopa County AZ has reejected a subpeona from the AZ legislature for voting records from 2020 that are supposed to be public record. UIltimately those and many many many more records are going to be provided. We will know who voted, We will know home many illegitimate votes were cast. Fighting disclosure is stupid. It makes you look guilty.
“President Donald Trump’s team have used unfounded claims about voting machines in a bid to overturn his defeat.”
Now you are engaged in defamation – the specific claims regarding DVS voting machines are from Sydney Powell.
The Trump legal team and Trump himself have NOT adopted the Powell claim. They take no position on it.
You owe all of us an appolgy – once again you are falsely defaming people.
“Members of his team appeared repeatedly on the channels to push the theory.”
Again that is a false claim.
Regardless, it is one that is not hard to test.
A properly done third party random audit of DVS systems will expose any shortcomings – whether human or machine.
This is something that should be an automatic part of every election.
“Fox News ran a two-minute fact-check in the form of questions and answers on three different programmes on Saturday which denied allegations of manipulation or fraud by the two companies.”
So what ? Rather than “fact check” – why not actually audit the equipment ?
No one is interested in competing claims from experts for something that can be tested.
AS I noted I do not expect that the claim against DVS will produce evidence of deliberate fraud by DVS.
Nor will it produce sufficient fraud or error to change the results of the election.
But I have zero doubt that it will produce proveable examples of significant error, as well as some actual fraud.
One of the reasons the Trump legal team is NOT pushing the DVS claim is that they need 40,000 votes in 3 states and the DVS claim is not going to produce that.
The more credible claim is that 10’s of thousands of illegitimate votes were cast and counted in the 2020 election in the contested states.
“Smartmatic, which builds electronic voting systems, announced last week that it had sent “legal notices and retraction demand letters” to Fox News, Newsmax and One America News Network, accusing the three outlets of “publishing false and defamatory statements”.”
Product defamation laws have been rejected by the Supreme court.
““The demand letters identify dozens of factually inaccurate statements made by each of the organisations as part of a ‘disinformation campaign’ to injure Smartmatic and discredit the 2020 US election,” read a statement on the company’s website…..””
A claim is not factually innaccurate until it has been tested. That has not occurred. The left has resisted doing so.
““A defamation law firm representing Dominion Voting Systems has sent letters to White House counsel Pat Cipollone and President Donald Trump’s personal attorney Rudy Giuliani instructing them to preserve all records related to the company at the center of Trump’s conspiracy theories and warning Giuliani that legal action is “imminent.””
This is just stupid. Defamation is publishing a knowingly false statement about a person that causes them harm.
Private records are not relevant. Communications between a lawyer and client are not discoverable. Statements made as part of a legal proceding are protected from defamation claims.
These are all likely reasons that DVS has taken so long.
“Through two well-known defamation attorneys, Dominion Voting Systems sent letters to Cipollone and Giuliani Tuesday, demanding Giuliani stop making “defamatory claims against Dominion” and ensure there is “no confusion about your obligation to preserve and retain all documents relating to Dominion and your smear campaign against the company.” The attorneys told Cipollone their preservation request is vast and includes conversations White House officials had with attorneys like Giuliani or Sidney Powell regarding Dominion.”
Please read the remarks about – this is a PR stunt by DVS that will get nowhere.
The only possible claim is against Powell, frankly DVS is not going to win it. The request you cite is never going to result in discovery – the materials are both not discoverable and not relevant.
“Since he lost the election, Trump, his attorneys and his supporters have baselessly alleged that machines made by the voting machine manufacturer were manipulated to change votes from Trump to President-elect Joe Biden or delete votes for Trump.”
That claim has been proven – In Antrim county 5000+ Trump votes were switched to Biden. That is an indisputable publsihed fact.
DVS’s claim that was a result of a failure to apply a late software update does not change the fact.
The existing evidence quite clearly means the claim is not “baseless”
“Dominion’s CEO has defended the company’s work repeatedly, and now appears prepared to take legal action against those in the President’s inner circle….””
I would expect he would do just that. DVS will be destroyed if the claim is even close to true. DVS is substantially and deservedly harmed by the credible parts of the existing allegations. DVS stands to lose 100’s of millions or more – in contracts and stock drops.
I am perfectly happy with that result. That is how the market self regulates. DVS and other companies are going to be highly motivated to fix the problems and do better for the next election. That is precisely what we should want.
I note that you are fixated on the DVS claim. There are 200+ individual claims of election fraud, lawlessness and malfeasance of differing scales. You have not even dented the ONE DVS claim.
I do not agree with Powell that DVS deliberately titled the elction to Biden.
I completely agree that there are myriads of problems with electronic vote counting systems – likely beyond DVS systems.
And that we need small but important procedural changes to restore credibility in electronic counting – or we need to eliminate electronic counting.
“Moreover, Biden spent the election denying that his son did nothing wrong and made no money from China.”
Grammar police here: S/B “denying that his son did anything wrong and that he made any money from China”. Double negatives are disrupting in an otherwise interesting article.
It’s about time somebody started asking Biden some tough questions but what I want to know is, will there be any consequences? Or was that the end game the whole time? In other words, Joe Biden was only ever a figurehead and the second he gets inaugurated, his own party will get rid of him tout de suite to install far-left darling Kamala Harris?
Quid Pro Quo by the Biden Family in Ukraine?
“If the prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money.”
_______________________________________________
“I remember going over and convincing our team, others, to convince that we should be providing for loan guarantees. And I went over, I guess, the 12th, 13th time to Kiev. And I was supposed to announce that there was another billion-dollar loan guarantee. And I had gotten a commitment from Poroshenko and from Yatsenyuk that they would take action against the state prosecutor. And they didn’t.
“So they said they had—they were walking out to a press conference. I said, nah, I’m not going to—or, we’re not going to give you the billion dollars. They said, you have no authority. You’re not the president. The president said—I said, call him. (Laughter.) I said, I’m telling you, you’re not getting the billion dollars. I said, you’re not getting the billion. I’m going to be leaving here in, I think it was about six hours. I looked at them and said: I’m leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money. Well, son of a b-tch. (Laughter.) He got fired. And they put in place someone who was solid at the time.”
– Joe Biden, September 20, 2019
There is a picture of me, taken in the summer just before first grade, mounted on a Shetland pony.
Was it a pony or a horse?…ami supposes to believe he won. Shoot me like you shoot lame horses…oh that’s right….only vets can put horses down. Maybe vets shelf.
I actually mean vets…who took an oath…
Should take a shot….yeah I am calling for violence against the people who burned ppl down…it wasn’t a protest…..if it was we can counter peacefully protest and burn them down. The same. Goose and gander…burnthem to the ground….thats where we are hardheaded…..and we beat about bushes why? Bc legislatures in it for that money won’t grow a pair. Sorry they were electrocuted….grow a pair
…
Jaelyn, you sound like some creepy guy posing as a woman.
“some creepy guy posing”
Describes you perfectly.
… Rhodes says, looking in the mirror.
Jaelyn is ‘you’, Rhodes.
Yet another imaginary Rhodes spinning around incessantly inside your pea sized brain.
You are obsessed with me. Which I find highly entertaining.
Leftist anonymous are obsessive.
Benson:
“There is a picture of me, taken in the summer just before first grade, mounted on a Shetland pony.”
***********************
Drat, it’s Christmas, do you know what I could do to that comment! Consider my forbearance a gift. 😀
Forget Hunter Biden!
Manafort’s Pardon Completes Whitewash Of Russia Probe
The official White House statement justifying the pardon of Paul Manafort explains that his prosecution “was premised on the Russian collusion hoax.” But Trump’s pardon — a ploy so well signaled its inevitability was clear even before he stepped into the Oval Office and that he has floated for years to keep Manafort quiet — is the final proof the Russia investigation was not a hoax but a scandal Trump used his powers to thwart.
Trump has already pardoned Michael Flynn and commuted the sentence of Roger Stone, both of whom lied to investigators to protect him.
The Manafort pardon is the final piece of his Russiagate cover-up. Before Trump hired him as campaign manager in 2016, Manafort spent the bulk of the decade managing the campaign of corrupt, pro-Russian Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovych. Manafort was being paid for this job by Russian oligarch Oleg Deripaska, and Manafort — who had grown accustomed to a lavish lifestyle — apparently fell into such debt to Deripaska that he disappeared before resurfacing as Trump’s campaign chairman, a job he oddly accepted at no pay in spite of his severe financial distress.
Manafort was almost surely not an instrument for Putin to control Trump’s campaign in anything like as direct a fashion as the Kremlin seemed to control Yanukovych’s puppet regime in Kiev. Manafort did, however, maintain a continuous line of contact with Russia throughout the 2016 campaign though his former business partner, the Russian spy Konstantin Kilimnik. At one point during the campaign, Manafort met Kilimnik in New York and passed him 75 pages of detailed polling information. Robert Mueller’s investigators never learned what this polling was for. It is possible that Kilimnik’s bosses simply had an intense fan interest in the campaign and wanted more detailed polling data than they could get from FiveThirtyEight and Real Clear Politics. But it seems more likely that Manafort was giving Russia specific help in its operations on behalf of his campaign.
The fact Manafort withheld cooperation from prosecutors, and then received a pardon from Trump, may have been sufficient to insulate either man from legal consequences. But the pattern of facts creates an overwhelming presumption of guilt. Manafort possesses the legal right to withhold cooperation from prosecutors, and Trump possesses the constitutional right to reward him for doing so with a pardon. But neither man is owed the suspension of disbelief required to consider them innocent. They have surrendered every opportunity to dispel the cloud of suspicion created by their corrupt acts.
Trump has continued his bizarre Russophilic behavior right through the end of his presidency, most recently refusing to concede that Russia had poisoned opposition leader Alexei Navalny or that it directed a massive hack against the United States. He has locked his party into the view that all questions of his ties to Russia have been answered in his favor by keeping his two top co-conspirators quiet.
There is an old cliché in Washington that says it’s the cover-up, not the crime, that gets you. The line comes from an era when the crimes were more modest and cover-ups harder to sustain. Sometimes cover-ups succeed.
Edited from: “Trump Completes Russiagate Cover-Up By Pardoning Paul Manafort”
New York Magazine, 12/23/20
Wow. I am still trying to wrap my head around defaming liars? Since when is calling by not calling someone. ….ie by denying it..
.defamation? Where in the world did this boot strap defamation come from? That swallows all statutes of limitation? Is it even real?…..??…..so I could say….so n so abused me 25 years ago…if he tries to deny it ….I can use it – say against him for defamation….for essentially calling me a liar. ..apparantly we need no statute of limitations…for anything…
Decades later we just allege it.
Then if they deny it we say…defamation ..
You are calling me a liar….open up the old case…on today’s terms never mind all the rules that have been developed bc evidence goes stale… Where does the “denial” is defamation cause of action even come from?
.
Trump pardoning nearly everyone that the Thug Mueller illegally prosecuted is appropriate.
There are other Trump pardon’s that are less palatable. But I have Zero problems with the Mueller Pardon’s – except why did it take so long ?
No Trump pardon reeks like Obama’s pardon of terrorists.
I am happy that Trump has bypassed the DOJ in deciding who to pardon – I hope to see more of that.
Does anyone expect Joe Biden will NOT pardon Hunter should he be unable to stop his prosecution first ?
Stone did not lie to investigatiors – the claim was that he lied to congress – he ommitted exculpatory information in a response to a question – that is pretty much never prosecuted, Further he was not give the oportunity to review and amend his testimony – a requirement for a perjury prosecution.
There remains to this date no actual evidence that Stone did anything illegal as part of the Trump Campaign.
Absolutly he was a thorn int he side of mueller – but like it or not Mueller was obligated to suck it up and not use his govenrment power in a personal vendetta.
Yopu need not like Stone to grasp he committed no crime.
With respect to Manafort (and Stone) guess what political operatives – campaign managers are not especially decent people.
Right or left. No one in their right mind would put Stone. Manaforte, Poeluffe, Axelrod, … up for nobel peace prizes.
Absolutely Manafort worked for unsavory people – that is not a crime.
Being in debt is not a crime.
Working for free is not a crime.
I would note that But For DNC operatives flogging a forged ledger that Got manafort fired he would be in incredibly high demand and very well paid for his free gig with Trump.
Only clueless leftists do not understand why someone would take a high profile job for free.
Konstantin Kilimnik may be a russian spy – but he the state department has confirmed that he was a US Source.
Regardless Manafort was aware of neither role. Kolimnik worked for Manafort.
Sharing polling data is not a crime – sharing it with your own staff is defintitely not.
You note Mueller never learned. – that should be the end of it.
What is possible is irrelevant. We do not convict people over speculation.
We convict people when a case is proven beyond a reasonable doubt.
You can presume guilt if you please – but the legal standard is STILL “beyond a resonable doubt”.
That standard was not met in ANY case involving Mueller – not even close. The DC Juries proved biased and failed to do justice.
We do not convict people merely because we do not like them.
You would be well to consider that as Hunter Biden may be in the dock’s all too soon.
Hunter has far more problems than Manafort.
But aside from failing to report some income, The real problems are VP Biden’s NOT Hunter’s.
Hunter can promise Burisma whatever he pleases, Even if Hunter promised to get Joe Biden to thwart the investigation – that is not a crime – anymore than Manaforts actions are.
It stinks to high heaven. But selling claims of influence while NOT part of the govenrment is not a crime – no matter how much it stinks.
The only serious criminal question is did VP Joe Biden sell out the office of the Vice President.
It matters little whether his son profited or his family. The only reason that the possibility that Joe Biden personally benefited is important is because we can turn a blind eye to corruption easier where the family is used as a cuttout – atleast if the corruption is democrats.
But if Joe Biden made decisions as VP for the overt benefit of his family regardless of personal benefit – he is not fit to hold public office. And there is LOTS of evidence that he did just that.
BTW absolutely Manafort and all these people were owed the presumption of innocence – which they NEVER got – not from the press, not from prosecutors not from the courts, not from juries – not from you.
Given how badly the IC has fared on decisions regarding Russia (or China) – Trump’s or anyone not taking the word of the intelligenc community is quite plausibe
As Turley points out – 50 ranking IC members – including 2 directors of the CIA opined in public that the Hunter Biden story was russian disinformation.
So why are we supposed to beelive the same people – or their disciples about anything russia related ?
Russia might be responsible for the recent hack. Or they might not.
There is little doubt that Russia would want to do this. But the same is true of China, Iran, North Korea – even Pakistan.
There is also little doubt at the moment – except in left wing nut land, that the most serious threat to the US comes from China.
Russia is a has been super power – barely still a first world nation. They are of consequence today for only one reason – they have the worlds largest stockpile of nukes – most of which likely do not work.
Their once formidable military is rusting in place.
Russia’s GDP is 1.6T – abotu 1/15th than of either the US or China. There are likely several times over more chinese spies in the US than Russian ones.
Ultimately who cares what Trump says about Russia – Russia is at best an annoyance. China is far more of threat.
Only democratic coverups succeed.
Grow up – face facts that Mueller was never able to.
Mueller found nothing because there was nothing to find.
The entire investigation was improperly predicated from the start.
Wishfull thinking does not mean a crime was committed.
Go to bed with your Russia, Russia story. If you can’t sleep count Biden’s ponies until your lying arse goes to sleep!
If he pardons Assange and Snowden, your head will explode.
As to the Russiagate canard, you now have Durham cut loose courtesy of Barr.
Time to scurry away from the light, little cockroach.
I think Trump should pardon Manafort if only to incite the Left to even greater levels of stupid. Manafort’s decade old charges weren’t deemed criminal until he worked for Trump. So much for a DOJ free of politics.
Bite it Aninny! He’s as free as you are and orders of magnitude smarter. Great Christmas present.
There is no significant difference between the claims regarding Manafort and those regarding Hunter Biden.
The only consequential differences are that the claims regarding Biden are more current,
Further Manafort tax problems are closer to a legitimate effort to exploit tax law. Hunter Biden just seemed to ignore paying taxes.
But the real threat is not to Hunter, it is to Joe.
Hunter was engaged in selling influence – but he was not selling his own influence. He was selling that of the Vice President.
There is a very strong circumstantial case that Joe Biden used the power of the Vice President to Benefit Hunter, and possibly himself.
That is a very serious crime.
If Peter Doocy is a one horse pony does that make Joe Biden a one trick pony?
cue Paul Simon
Trump pardoned a bunch more people today, including Roger Stone, Paul Manafort, and Jared Kushner’s father.
He also just pardoned Mary Ballard McCarthy (sister of one of his top fundraisers, lobbyist Brian Ballard) and Robert Coughlin (former deputy chief of staff in DOJ’s Criminal Division, who pleaded guilty to conflict of interest after accepting gifts from a key figure in the Abramoff lobbying scandal) and Joe Occhipinti (supervisory special agent with ICE, convicted for conspiracy to violate civil rights by ignoring the 4th amendment & conducting warrantless searches of businesses & taking money & property from them).
The “law and order” President.
And Clinton pardoned….ok I’ll concede Trump should not have poardoned Collins or hunter. But he was right to pardon anyone tied up in his wrongful from the poison fruit investigations. ..of the Russia hoax. And there are a lot worse than manafortr but for getting caught up….who needed investigated…life isn’t fair but they already let manafort off the hook. For what they came back and hooked him on….only to get to Trump…that was crooked.
Amen – Trump has pardoned lots of people who greatly deserved pardons, And many that did not.
I wish he had not issued some of the pardon;s he did.
But i did not vote for him. And he is not the first president to pardon scurilous people.
The only people in the Mueller probe that should end up in Jail are Mueller’s team of political thugs.
Bill Clinton pardoned Marc Rich, a 2.5$ billion sized billionaire, per wiki, who was guilty of tax evasion but also trading with america’s embargoed enemies
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Rich
but he gave money to bill and bought his pardon
Billionaire Buddy, Bill Clinton
Signed NAFTA and made billionaires even bigger
They’re the enemy
Saloth Sar
Trump is a billionaire. Until you include him in your list of billionaire enemies, it’s hard to take you seriously.
Anonymous still looking for people to insult? You don’t know the difference between those that misuse money and those that don’t.
Allan, are you capable of following a conversation? You often have this problem, perhaps because you respond from email and don’t read comments in context.
Sal says that billionaires are the enemy. Trump is a billionaire. Ergo, Trump is an enemy. Surely that syllogism is simple enough even for you.
Sal’s a fan of Trump’s, so it’s hard to take his criticism of billionaires seriously.
“Sal says that billionaires are the enemy. Trump is a billionaire. ”
Sal said it two ways. He over generalized and then corrected himself. We have problems with billionaires that have too much influence on government behavior. He is correct. You are too busy trying to pick at small parts of discussions to be able to understand the difference. You don’t even understand the basic underpinnings of socialist and fascist regimes. You talk a lot and you insult a lot but when it comes down to the meat you are a lost fellow.
I don’t agree when Sal over generalizes but he makes some very important points. Unfortunately, you can’t keep up so you fight instead of discuss. He contributes you don’t . He is worth something. You are not.
Merry Christmas. On this blessed Christmas Day, I can see Christ’s love flowing through you.
You are clearly aiming to follow Christ’s teachings.
We can all just see it now. After Biden is sworn in, when the ponies are stacking up against the lying scum bag Joe Biden: “Trump this, Trump that, wadabout Trump…”
If Biden is as corrupt as Trump with his pardons, I’ll condemn Biden too, “princess.”
Trump pardons people who don’t deserve it, while vetoing a bill to pay our troops. All of his values are warped.
Every president has pardoned people who do not deserve it.
Trump has pardoned lots of people who do and not just Muellers victims.
Trump should veto more than the defense bill.
Regardless, he told congress ahead of time what he was going to do.
They had a choice – now they can override or they can repeal section 230.
Roger Stone pardoned
rightfully so
You’re a fan of witness intimidation and threatening judges, huh?
It’s a wonder anyone (esp. you) can sleep at night with that violent horrible Roger Stone walking the streets a free man!!! /sarc off
I bet you think threatening witnesses and judges is just fine. No doubt you also approve of the other judge’s son having been murdered.
Princess Trohar is Estovir, of course.
I’ll bet you $5000 I am not Estovir you stupid lying POS.
Credico was not threatened.
Judge Jackson violated Stones first amendment rights.
I would suggest that both you and Judge Jackson should read the precidential supreme court decision on what constitutes an actual threat.
Jokes are not threats. A criminal threat must be clear, specific, immediate, and inside the ability of the defendant to perform. Nothing Stone did meets those criteria. Anything not meeting those criteria is free speech.
And I have no problem with people attacking Judges. Judge Jackson deserved Stone’s derision.
Stone violated the judge’s orders not to comment about the case. Threatening a witness even as a joke is still legally a violation. Stone was not joking. He was being belligerent at the time because that’s what he does when he is threatened with serious repercussions from his own actions.
“Stone violated the judge’s orders not to comment about the case. ”
The judge violated Stones first amendment rights.
A judge may not stop a defendant from commenting outside of court on his own case.
“Threatening a witness even as a joke is still legally a violation.”
Credico was not a witness at the time. There was no threat to him – as a witness or otherwise.
And Please look up supreme court cases on threats – Jokes are not threats. Even actual threats are not crimes unless they threat is real, immediate specific and plausible. None of which apply.
“Stone was not joking.”
Of course hew was joking – he was nearly litterally echoing the “God Father”.
Only humorless left wing nuts can not grasp this.
Credico and Stone were “frenemies”, they were freinds and competitors.
They were both after public credit for something that never actually happened.
Further there was no “threat” because there was nothing to threaten about.
There was no underlying action of either credico or stone that was illegal.
“He was being belligerent at the time because that’s what he does”
That is correct.
Being beligerant is not a crime.
If you claim credit for a story that I wanted credit for and I tell you to F’off or I will ruin you – that is bad conduct – it is not a crime.
“when he is threatened with serious repercussions from his own actions.”
Again you are completely unfamiliar with the facts.
The alleged threat occured before Stone was investigated.
Stone was prosecuted by Mueller for much the same reason others were – because he was a thorn in Mueller side.
Stone mocked Meuller repeatedly – and that was his actual crime.
Stone did so because there was no actual crime for Mueller to investigate – and Stone more than most anyone knew that.
Because Stone actually knew that there was no collusion – because Stone did not collude with anyone.
Stone knew
that he had no direct contact with Assange.,.
That despite his pretence otherwise that Stone had no foreknowledge of anything.
That he has no involvement with getting the DNC emails.
Put simply Stone knew that Mueller was engaged in a witch hunt and Stone taunted him mercilessly.
And Mueller prosecuted him to get even .
That is all this is about.
Stone is a jester, and a joker and political operative. He is not a friend that most of us would want.
But he is also not a crook.
Conversely Mueller is someone who has a long history – before the collusion dellusion of abusing power and bullying.
He is personally associated with just about every disastrous vile action the FBI has taken in 4 decades.
I was annoyed that many Republicans initially suported him – he was part of the disasterous Anthrax problem that lead to a multimillion dollar judgement against the FBI and the suicide of an innocent man.
However bad Stone is Meuller is far worse.
Mueller is a bully with power – that is a bad thing.
Please checkout the facts – there was no witness intemidation – it was an obvious joke.
Credico swore that under oath.
Crticising judges is not acceptable today ?
In everyone of these Mueller cases the Judges gagged the defendants – that is unconstitutional.
A defendant is innocent before the court. There is no legitimat judicial power to restrict the constitutional rights of a defendant prior to conviction NONE.
If Stone wishes to attack the judge adjudicating his case he is free to do so.
If the judge is so thin skinned as to take offence – they should be removed.
Need I remind you this is the judge that allowed a democratic political actor who had spoken openly and predjudicially on Facebook about the case BEFORE becomeing a jurror to become forman of the jury.
Stone was right in his criticism.
John say, even a joke can still get you in serious trouble. It’s no different than making a joke about a bomb at an airport. You can still be prosecuted for making it. You don’t make jokes about intimidating a witness when the witness itself takes it seriously which can affect the case. The judge and the witness clearly did not see it as a joke. Stone ended up doing the stupidest thing he could do in his situation and he suffered the consequences accordingly.
“John say, even a joke can still get you in serious trouble. ”
It can – but that does not make it a crime.
“It’s no different than making a joke about a bomb at an airport. ”
False. It is quite different. You appear to be arguing that no one is ever allowed to joke anymore.
“You can still be prosecuted for making it.”
Probably not – not even a joke about a bomb at an airport.
But you might end up being held for a long time, missing your plane and possibly being put on the terrorist watchlist.
It still not a crime.
“You don’t make jokes about intimidating a witness when the witness itself takes it seriously which can affect the case.”
All of which even if true would be irrelevant.
At the time of the joke Credico was not a witness.
The joke was obvious.
Credico did not take it seriously – because it was not serious.
And it did not effect a case that did not exist.
“The judge and the witness clearly did not see it as a joke.”
Please read Randy Credico’s testimony – you are way off base.
Credico testified that Stone was joking.
Credico is the witness that was supposedly threatened.
“Stone ended up doing the stupidest thing he could do in his situation and he suffered the consequences accordingly.”
Stupid and criminal are not the same.
I know that you left wing nuts do not get that.
Do you grasp that there is virtually no examples of humor in left wing nut societies ?
Communism, socialism, is notoriously humourless – specifically because idiots like you will jail people for poking fun at them.
It was not Stones joke to Credico that got him in trouble.
It was his constantly poking fun at Mueller.
Mueller is a thin skinned bully.
Absolutely Stone was playing with fire.
But we do not have a free country when we prosecute jesters like Stone.
PARTY CALLS FOR ADDITIONAL REGULATIONS TO PROTECT FREE SPEECH
-Doocy and collaborators to be held accountable for abusing positions of trust
—
WASHINGTON, DC — The Party today called for common-sense self-regulation among members of the media to promote Truth, advance Unity, and combat the spread of disinformation. The remarks where offered in response to the unfortunate and dangerous attacks carried out by Fox News reporter Peter Doocy against President Biden. The Party reminded media members that the conduct of Mr. Doocy and other collaborators who abuse their positions of special trust would be addressed under established accountability standards.
In candid yet measured remarks offered from the Obama family compound in Martha’s Vineyard, Party spokesperson Barack Obama noted that the chasm between Party-approved narratives and so-called facts espoused by divisive elements has reached crisis levels. “It’s going to require a combination of regulations and standards within industries to get us back to the point where we at lease recognize a common set of facts before we start arguing about what we should do about those facts,” said Mr. Obama. “We’re on the right side of history,” he added.
Mr. Richard Stengel, a first amendment authority, counter-disinformation expert, and Team Lead for Global Media in the Administration of President Biden, thanked Mr. Obama for his remarks and reiterated Party doctrine in the area. “As a government official travelling around the world, I came to see how our first amendment standards are an outlier,” said Mr. Stengel. “All speech is not equal. And where Truth cannot drive out Lies, we must add new guardrails,” he concluded.
—
Immediate implementation of these guidelines is authorized under previously approved directives adopted in response to the COVID-19 emergency. Further information on these guidelines will be communicated as circumstances dictate.
“That trick however was once called ‘journalism’ back in the day when reporters doggedly demanded answers, particularly on questions like influence peddling.”
– Professor Turley
______________
Not to put too fine a point on it; isn’t money laundering part and parcel of influence peddling?
“Not to put too fine a point on it; isn’t money laundering part and parcel of influence peddling?”
No.
Money laundering is supposed to be something specific – converting money that is the proceeds of crime into legitimate money.
In more modern law it is pretty much anything to avoid federal financial reporting laws – which should themselves be unconstituional.
Influence peddling itself is not inherently criminal.
Hunter Biden’s actions are far more egregious than Manafort’s.
But asside from possible tax evasion neither committed any crimes.
Their conduct stinks to high heaven, but that does not make it criminal.
The real problem is for VP Biden – not Hunter.
Hunter can legally promise anything to Burisma.
The promises had to be delivered by VP Biden. It is the delivery that is the crime. that is what is corrupt.
At the very least Biden’s conduct was extremely unethical. There is zero doubt he knew his Son was engaged in business in Ukraine.
Joe was obligated to avoid anything that involved his son – there are ethics laws that require that.
But arguably Biden’s actions are criminally corrupt – even if he did not personally profit.