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A Return To Rage: Schumer and Pelosi Attack Members Who Voted To Acquit As Political Cowards and Shills

There was a palpable sense of relief in Washington as the Trump trial came to a chaotic but final end. The verdict is in so now the vilification can begin. Both Majority Leader Chuck Schumer and Speaker Nancy Pelosi immediately weaponized the verdict and demonized those who voted to acquit. While the Democrats insisted that all senators should “vote their conscience” that only meant if their conscience supported their side.  Pelosi denounced opposing senators as cowards while Schumer lashed out at them for holding an opposing view of the evidence or the process.  While groups are targeting members on both sides of the trial, our leaders should be calling for unity and civility after the trial. Instead, they are fueling the politics of division.

CNN and other media followed suit. While McConnell denounced Trump and said that he could still be held accountable for any crimes, CNN hosts Wolf Blitzer and Dana Bash immediately followed his speech by denouncing him as hypocritical. There was nothing hypocritical in denouncing Trump’s conduct as “unconscionable” while also maintaining that the trial was unconstitutional. What Democratic members and commentators would not accept is that anyone could hold opposing views on these questions and not be a shill or coward. Welcome to unity in 2021. It remains unity on our terms or else. The “or else” was made clear to Trump’s defense counsel soon after the verdict. Attorney Michael Van der Veen’s home was vandalized. Other lawyers have faced harassment and threats after campaigns targeting them by groups like The Lincoln Project for representing Trump or Republicans.

The media quickly reinforced the rejection of any possibility that senators could have voted their conscience.  CNN Reporter Abby Phillip stated as a fact that there is no real argument that a former president cannot be tried for impeachment. Thus, any vote on that basis was dishonest and craven. As with past coverage, the hosts simply ignored professors, judges, and legendary figures like Justice Joseph Story who have argued against retroactive trials. Moreover, many academics who have studied this issue (including myself) have said that it is extremely close. While we all reach conclusions, most of us have stated that people of good faith can disagree on where the default should be on the question. That however is not what CNN viewers were told. Phillip and her colleagues insisted that there is no real debate — as did the House managers.  Thus, anyone voting with the view of figures like Justice Story are liars or cowards or lying cowards. You choose.

The rage expressed by such figures deflected attention from those most responsible for the loss of this trial: the House leadership. As I have previously discussed, there was no evidence of a strategy to convict as opposed to enrage in this trial. First, the House leadership used a “snap impeachment” without even a day for hearings. The House had from Jan. 6th to Jan. 20th (since there was little chance of a Senate trial before Trump left office). At a minimum, it could have held a couple days of hearings to create a record. Instead, it decided to send an article of impeachment for the first time in history without any record of a hearing, investigation, or even a chance for Trump to respond.

Second, it drafted an article of impeachment for “incitement of insurrection” – a poorly conceived article that all but guaranteed a loss. It could have crafted the article in a myriad of ways to garner broader support but House leadership wanted to accuse Trump of trying to start a rebellion against the United States. Finally, it could have called witnesses for four weeks to offer testimony on Trump’s state of mind, a dozen witnesses who could establish what Trump said and did in these critical hours. It refused to do so.

The incoherence of the House case was made plain in the final hours when lead House manager Jamie Raskin threw the trial in disarray by demanding witnesses just before closing arguments. The Senate had reportedly decided against that option but Raskin rose and, like a scene out of Perry Mason, claimed that a new witness had emerged the night before: Rep. Jaime Hererra Beutler (R-WA). Raskin breathlessly described how the House just saw news reports that Beutler had information on a phone call between Trump and House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) where Trump showed support for the rioters. The problem is that the claim did not appear to be true. Beutler’s account was public before the trial began and the McCarthy call was known to the House for over four weeks. The demand only highlighted the failure of Raskin and the House to call a single fact witness in the House for four weeks on this and other reports.

Yet, the Senate Democrats could not risk the ire of their base if they opposed the House managers. They had to follow Raskin over the cliff. In commenting live on the Raskin’s demand, I noted that he had clearly taken the senators by surprise and that these are politicians who are risk adverse and unlikely to go down the road of the unknown with Raskin. There is a reason why the House has been timid about calling witnesses who might also show that the House was warned of the prospect of violence, refused National Guard troops, and was negligent in dealing with the riot. Witnesses would also highlight the failure of the House to call such witnesses for a month. Finally, some of that testimony might not support the House’s suggestion that Trump delayed the deployment of troops or other parts of the unchallenged narrative by managers.

The result was as incoherent as Raskin’s argument.  So, as expected, they reversed the vote by pretending that they were supporting the House managers. They agreed to a stipulation that was so absurd that it only lacked the requisite joke drum beat.  Raskin had already described Beutler’s account on the record in his remarks. Yet, the Senate had him agree to a stipulation to again describe the call and then drop his demand. It was stipulating that a piece of hearsay that was previously discussed on the record could be stated on the record. To make even more absurd, the statement quoted Beutler as saying that she had previously discussed the call in public – directly refuting what Raskin told the Senate. Keep in mind Raskin had just claimed that this was new evidence from “last night” and that the Senate now needed to call witnesses on this “additional critical piece of corroborating evidence further confirming the charges.”

Here is what he then read to the Senate from Beutler: “I have shared these details in countless conversations with constituents and colleagues and multiple times to the media and other public forums. I told it to the Daily News of Longview on January 17th. I’ve shared it with local county Republican executive board members as well as other constituents who asked me to explain my vote. I shared it with thousands of residents on my telephone Town Hall on February 8th.” It was new evidence that she shared with thousands over weeks of public statements?

None of that matters of course because the House never showed any intention of establishing Trump’s state of mind or even prevailing in the trial. The true purpose was made manifestly clear by Schumer and Pelosi within minutes of the verdict. There would be no allowance for a good-faith vote unless it was a vote in favor their position. While the House Republicans refused to punish Rep. Lynn Cheney for her vote to impeach, Schumer and others are only willing to recognize such a vote of conscience in favor of their side. To hold an opposing view was pronounced not just by the Democratic leadership but the media as craven cowardice or virtual treason.  It is precisely the type of rhetoric and false labeling by Trump that many of us denounced over the last four years. There is no room for disagreement; only patriots and traitors.

And so the age of rage will continue not because it must but because we love it.

 

537 thoughts on “A Return To Rage: Schumer and Pelosi Attack Members Who Voted To Acquit As Political Cowards and Shills”

  1. More of the famous leftist love and tolerance we keep hearing so much about.

    Perhaps Schumer and Pelosi didn’t get the memo?

    antonio

    1. We shouldn’t show love for the crimes carried out by the insurrectionists or by Trump in inciting them.

      1. Inciting is a crime. To every progressive dem poster here: Why exactly have the Dem AG and DC prosecutor allowed Trump to walk free instead of charging him with a crime? How is this not the same felony you accuse Trump of, not doing their job? Why don’t you support the impeachment of the US AG and the DC prosecutor?

        1. Maybe they’re getting around to that.

          They’ve been in office what?

          A month?

          Charging a president properly takes time.

          Or maybe they’re hoping the SDNY will roast him.

          1. The AG and all US Attorneys are acting with no “democrats” yet in place. Calling for an immediate prosecution, even if they were, is ridiculous and the party of the US AG and the US Attorney’s is irrelevant. Most in the DOJ try to uphold that standard, even if Trump repeatedly asked his to prosecute Obama and Biden for……. What was he asking for again?

            PS The only US Attorney who was not asked to offer a letter of resignation – SOP with administration changes – was the Delaware USA overseeing the Hunter Biden investigation.,

  3. The Managers did lay out plenty of evidence about Trumps state of mind. And the rage is justified. The Rs have said on record that lying about an election and attacking the capital is acceptable political behavior. And lets just stop pretending that anything the House Managers could have done would have made a bit of a difference. The only way Trump could have been convicted is if his defense presented arguments so bad that the Rs would not even have a fig leaf to cower behind.

    1. Prof Turley is “above the fray” and speaks only as a neutral but knowledgeable law professor. (Some sarcasm here.) But as Turley is also a human being, I would like to hear him (just like McConnell did) voice an opinion on whether Trump is morally culpable for the events of January 6, 2020. Come on Prof Turley, show us what kind of person you really are. You have plenty of opportunity to do so. Spit it out!

      1. There’s no way the Republicans would have shot themselves in the groin by convicting Trump.

        The Republican party is a dysfunctional shambles and there’s no way they’re going to admit that for four years they enabled a corrupt vulgar incompetent fat stupid charlatan.

        The good news is the American people woke up and voted Trump out of office.

        Now he is stifled at Mar-A-Lago where he can cheat atgolf and shag more sad strippers.

        The Democrats control the Senate, the House and the White House.

        Happy Days Are Here Again.

        Hopefully the southern district of New York will go after Trump or he’ll have a heart attack while dragging the sad stripper.

        The long National nightmare is over.

        Be happy

    2. Dems were “lying about an election” with their four-year-long Russia Collusion Hoax. Anti-Kavanaugh protesters (among many incidents involving other leftists/Democrats) invaded the Capitol with the presumed purpose of changing a vote. A few dozen protesters out of hundreds of thousands entered the Capitol. They were unarmed and suffered all the deaths thta took place on that day. One unarmed Trump supporter was murdered by a Capitol police officer. No protesters armed or unarmed were shot by police during the entire Summer of Floyd. Officer Sicknick was not the victim of an assault but died from a stroke as a result of a pre-existing medical condition.

      1. “Dems were “lying about an election” with their four-year-long Russia Collusion Hoax.”

        It wasn’t a hoax. Even the bipartisan report from the Senate Intelligence Committee (Republican majority) acknowledges this.

        “A few dozen protesters out of hundreds of thousands entered the Capitol.”

        Nope. Hundreds entered, perhaps more. You can find the names of the ones they’ve already arrested here –
        https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/capitol-breach-cases

        And you can see photos of some they’re looking for here –
        https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/capitol-violence

        “They were unarmed”

        Some were armed. Read the legal complaints.

        “One unarmed Trump supporter was murdered by a Capitol police officer.”

        From what I’ve read, it’s been determined to be justified. He was protecting the members of Congress and staff still in the House chamber.

        “No protesters armed or unarmed were shot by police during the entire Summer of Floyd.”

        That’s false –
        en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_police_violence_incidents_during_George_Floyd_protests

        “Officer Sicknick was not the victim of an assault but died from a stroke as a result of a pre-existing medical condition.”

        The autopsy results haven’t been released yet, so you’re making this up.

          1. Truly adept analysis and one of my favorite movie scenes ever. Thanks for posting.

            Elvis Bug

            1. That’s who these people are. I am just in awe of how dumb and gullible they are.

              Americans get progressively dumber every 10 years.

              Ever see the movie 𝑰𝒅𝒊𝒐𝒄𝒓𝒂𝒄𝒚?

              It’s already come true.

              1. Americans get progressively dumber every 10 years.

                Ben Dover,
                That’s an accurate description of the toxicity of progressivism. 🤣

        2. Anon, you have leftist such as Jimmy Dore, Glen Greenwald and Matt Taibbi saying that the Russian story is a hoax. The hoax was funded by the Democratic Party. You are like the people who keep telling us that the moon landing didn’t happen. Just like those people you are psychologically invested in your narrative. Your account calls us to the conclusion that your other posts are also divest of rationality. The last holdout of the Big Foot constituency.

          1. “ou have leftist such as Jimmy Dore, Glen Greenwald and Matt Taibbi saying that the Russian story is a hoax”

            That doesn’t make them right. You bizarrely think that I care what their political views are rather than whether their assessment of the facts is correct. That may be YOUR approach, but it isn’t mine.

            “You are like the people who keep telling us that the moon landing didn’t happen.”

            No, though that doesn’t prevent you from lying about me, as you so often do. Apparently it’s hard for you to make an honest argument that supports your stance.

            1. You believe the intelligence services who provided NOT ONE SPECK OF evidence that Russia hacked the Dems.. Anyone who believes the intelligence services is either dumb as rocks or a liar. Their record of failures and outright lies is long and growing.

              1. Princess, the following is from the GOP majority Senate Intel Comm Report of August. Somebody’s been feeding you BS. Link to the report below.

                :(U) The Committee found that Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered the Russian
                effort to hack computer networks and accounts affiliated with the Democratic Party and leak
                information damaging to Hillary Clinton and her campaign for president. Moscow’s intent was
                to harm the Clinton Campaign, tarnish an expected Clinton presidential administration, help the
                Trump Campaign after Trump became the presumptive Republican nominee, and undermine the
                U.S. democratic process.
                -WikiLeaks actively sought, and played, a key role in the Russian
                influen~ery likely knew it was assistin a Russian intelli ence influence
                effort. The Committee found si nificant indications tha
                At the time of the
                first WikiLeaks releases, the U.S. Government had not yet declared WikiLeaks a hostile
                organization and many treated itas a journalistic entity.
                (U) While the GRU and WikiLeaks were releasing hacked documents, the Trump
                Campaign sought to maximize the impact of those leaks to aid Trump’s electoral
                prospects. Staff on the Trump Campaign sought advance notice about WikiLeaks releases,
                created messaging strategies to promote and share the materials in anticipation of and following
                thdr release, and encouraged further leaks. The Trump Campaign publicly undermined the
                attribution of the hack-and-leak campaign to Russia and was indifferent to whether it and
                WikiLeaks were furthering a Russian election interference effort. The Committee found no
                evidence that Campaign officials received an authoritative government notification that the hack
                was perpetrated by the Russian government before October 7, 2016, when the ODNI and DHS
                issued a joint statement to that effect. However, the Campaign was aware of the extensive media
                reporting and other private sector attribution of the hack to Russian actors prior to that point.
                (U) Trump and senior Campaign offici.als sought to obtain advance information about
                WikiLeaks’s planned releases through Roger Stone. At their direction, Stone took action to gain inside knowledge for the Campaign and shared his purported knowledge directly with Trump
                and senior Campaign offictals on multiple occasions. Trump and the Campaign believed that
                Stone had inside information and expressed satisfaction that Stone’s information suggested more
                releases would be forthcoming. The Committee could not reliably determine the extent.of
                authentic, non-public knowledge about WikiLeaks that Stone obtained and shared with the
                Campaign.

                https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/sites/default/files/documents/report_volume5.pdf

                1. Forgive Princess Tohar as she is probably suffering from PMC.

                  But yes, that Senate Intelligence Committee has what you quoted and SO much more.

                  Mark Warner (D) was the co-sponsor and his quite is pretty good (𝙞𝙩𝙖𝙡𝙞𝙘𝙨 𝙖𝙣𝙙 𝙗𝙤𝙡𝙙 𝙢𝙞𝙣𝙚):

                  “After more than three and a half years of work, millions of documents, and hundreds of witness interviews, I’m proud that the Committee’s report speaks for itself.

                  “𝑨𝒕 𝒏𝒆𝒂𝒓𝒍𝒚 1,000 𝒑𝒂𝒈𝒆𝒔, 𝑽𝒐𝒍𝒖𝒎𝒆 5 𝒔𝒕𝒂𝒏𝒅𝒔 𝒂𝒔 𝒕𝒉𝒆 𝒎𝒐𝒔𝒕 𝒄𝒐𝒎𝒑𝒓𝒆𝒉𝒆𝒏𝒔𝒊𝒗𝒆 𝒆𝒙𝒂𝒎𝒊𝒏𝒂𝒕𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝒐𝒇 𝒕𝒊𝒆𝒔 𝒃𝒆𝒕𝒘𝒆𝒆𝒏 𝑹𝒖𝒔𝒔𝒊𝒂 𝒂𝒏𝒅 𝒕𝒉𝒆 2016 𝑻𝒓𝒖𝒎𝒑 𝒄𝒂𝒎𝒑𝒂𝒊𝒈𝒏 𝒕𝒐 𝒅𝒂𝒕𝒆 – 𝒂 𝒃𝒓𝒆𝒂𝒕𝒉𝒕𝒂𝒌𝒊𝒏𝒈 𝒍𝒆𝒗𝒆𝒍 𝒐𝒇 𝒄𝒐𝒏𝒕𝒂𝒄𝒕𝒔 𝒃𝒆𝒕𝒘𝒆𝒆𝒏 𝑻𝒓𝒖𝒎𝒑 𝒐𝒇𝒇𝒊𝒄𝒊𝒂𝒍𝒔 𝒂𝒏𝒅 𝑹𝒖𝒔𝒔𝒊𝒂𝒏 𝒈𝒐𝒗𝒆𝒓𝒏𝒎𝒆𝒏𝒕 𝒐𝒑𝒆𝒓𝒂𝒕𝒊𝒗𝒆𝒔 𝒕𝒉𝒂𝒕 𝒊𝒔 𝒂 𝒗𝒆𝒓𝒚 𝒓𝒆𝒂𝒍 𝒄𝒐𝒖𝒏𝒕𝒆𝒓𝒊𝒏𝒕𝒆𝒍𝒍𝒊𝒈𝒆𝒏𝒄𝒆 𝒕𝒉𝒓𝒆𝒂𝒕 𝒕𝒐 𝒐𝒖𝒓 𝒆𝒍𝒆𝒄𝒕𝒊𝒐𝒏𝒔. I encourage all Americans to carefully review the documented evidence of the unprecedented and massive intervention campaign waged on behalf of then-candidate Donald Trump by Russians and their operatives and to reach their own independent conclusions.

                  “This cannot happen again. As we head into the heat of the 2020 campaign season, I strongly urge campaigns, the executive branch, Congress and the American people to heed the lessons of this report in order to protect our democracy.”

        3. Pelosi called no witnesses because Pelosi is partly personally responsible for the 6 Jan carnage and 5 deaths. There’s no other reasonable reason. If I’m wrong post the reasons. She had a whole month.

    3. In 2016 Pelosi said the GOP “highjacked” the election? Did I miss her impeachment?

  4. Translation (and this works for every Turley column):

    “it’s the Democrats, CNN, and MSNBC’s fault.”

  5. The Senate may have acquitted Trump, but this was never about just convicting him. This impeachment process was to accomplish two objectives: 1. This was about charging his base specifically, and Conservatives generally, as domestic enemies. This was merely a continuation of their strategy to silence and disarm any opposition to their power. 2. Distracting attention away from the Biden administration’s opening (100 day) salvo on against Trump’s American First accomplishments.

    The latest shot is Biden is suggesting national travel restrictions because of supposed rising infection rates of the new Covid strain. Contrast that with their open border policy allowing undocumented foreigners entry and release into our country without being tested.

    We have domestic enemies, just look at who the Democrats see in the mirror every day.

    1. “their open border policy allowing undocumented foreigners entry and release into our country without being tested.”

      Prove it. Or don’t, because you can’t.

        1. I take it that you cannot prove it either. You believe without proof that the Biden Admin has an “open border policy allowing undocumented foreigners entry and release into our country without being tested.”

      2. “(Border Patrol agents) were just dropping them off at the bus station without testing them. Obviously, that’s very alarming to all of us in that they’re coming from Central America and through Mexico and to be released into the United States without being tested for COVID is really unconscionable.”
        https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/illegal-immigrants-being-released-into-us-without-covid-19-testing

        This is a Cuomo-style degree of unconscionable incompetence. Perhaps you need a memo to tell you what has been directed. You can do some critical-thinking and forecast what risks Biden’s policy pose. Or, you can look for yourself and discover the truth of what’s actually occurring on the border. All it takes is a smidgen of objective, intellectual curiosity.

        Your call.

        1. “This is a Cuomo-style degree of unconscionable incompetence. “

          Olly, considering the rivers of blood that flowed in NY that is a great comparison.

          1. SM,
            How far has progressivism moved this country away from federalism and the benefits of the principle that states are incubators of democracy? Erase names and the political party behind policies and critically evaluate their results. Compare and contrast New York and Florida for instance. If one doesn’t conclude Florida should be our model, then I would seriously question their mental competence.

            1. Olly, I don’t know if you would be interested but in 2015 Jeff Atwater who was the CFO for Florida gave an interesting lecture on how 4 states reacted to the recession. In a singular graph he traced the results of Florida and Texas vs New Jersey and Illinois. I found it fantastically interesting and very enlightening.

        2. You still haven’t presented any evidence of an “open border policy.”

          As for testing, neither the Trump Admin. nor the Biden Admin. have required testing for people entering the U.S. by land. My impression is that the Trump Admin. generally didn’t require testing of those arriving by plane, with an exception starting in December for those arriving from the UK. The Biden Admin. does require testing for those arriving by plane; this was implemented in January, shortly after he took office.

          Do you object to this lack of testing for those arriving by land only if they enter illegally? The virus doesn’t care whether someone entered legally or illegally.

          “This is a Cuomo-style degree of unconscionable incompetence.”

          If that’s what you think, then you’d have to conclude the same for all those entering legally without being tested during the Trump Admin. With respect to virus transmission, it’s irrelevant whether the person arrived legally or illegally.

          1. With respect to virus transmission, it’s irrelevant whether the person arrived legally or illegally.

            Is it? Those entering our country legally are coming from countries with verifiable Covid policies that permit the travel. Even where those policies are weak in practice, they are significantly superior to a catch-and-release policy of untested illegal aliens.

            1. “Those entering our country legally are coming from countries with verifiable Covid policies that permit the travel.”

              Name a single country from which people enter the US illegally and from which there aren’t ALSO people entering legally. If people arrive both legally and illegally from a given country, then by your own reasoning, they’re all coming from a country “with verifiable Covid policies that permit the travel.”

              Note that you still haven’t dealt with your inability to provide evidence that the Biden Admin has an “open border policy.”

              1. If people arrive both legally and illegally from a given country, then by your own reasoning, they’re all coming from a country “with verifiable Covid policies that permit the travel.”

                Nope. Not even close.

                1. Yep. Either the country has “verifiable Covid policies that permit the travel” or it doesn’t.

                  Notice that you STILL haven’t dealt with your inability to provide evidence that the Biden Admin has an “open border policy,” and now you can’t bring yourself to name a single country from which people enter the US illegally and from which there aren’t ALSO people entering legally.

                  1. Anonymous the Stupid, here is one small piece of the puzzle. There are many more that when put together demonstrate what Olly is saying. However lacking critical thinking skills and the ability to deal with complex issues I doubt this will help.

                    https://www.dhs.gov/news/2021/02/11/dhs-announces-process-address-individuals-mexico-active-mpp-cases

                    I could have provided much better and more complete examples from people in the know but then you would claim it was only right wing hysteria. That is what you said about what the right said of Cuomo’s and NYS’s handling of Covid. By the way do you watch reruns of the news showing Cuomo getting an Emmy?

                  2. Anon, the Biden policy is now allowing the release of immigrants into the US with the stipulation that they will later show up for their hearing. Half of them never show up for their hearing. Next you will tell us that for those who do show up the border is not open. See! For those who show up and the judge says they are not allowed in their next attempt they may be more successful or may not show up for the hearing on their second attempt. Your correct. The border is not open it’s only half open.

              2. Anon, let me get something straight. Are you telling us that the people entering our nation illegally first stopped at a testing center in their home nation before they embarked. You are always exclaiming, prove it. So prove to us that they have been tested by their nations before they began their journey. Here is a link describing the effectiveness of testing at our southern border. https://www.khou.com/article/news/deep-dive-texas/covid-testing-protocols-not-clear-as-border-crossings-surge/285-7ec7140e-dc85-469c-9dff-0af6b726c7a9.

                2. “Are you telling us that the people entering our nation illegally first stopped at a testing center in their home nation before they embarked.”

                  No, which is why I didn’t that anywhere.

                  “So prove …”

                  I don’t have to prove words you dishonestly try to put in my mouth. Stop trolling.

              3. you just changed the goal posts. He directly answered your Q and proved the issue at hand. Then you don’t acknowledge it and change the subject using a few of the same words. It’s crystal clear you only want to argue and don’t care the reply at all.

      3. Anonymous the Stupid is always asking for proof because the talking points provided to him fail to mention what is really going on.

        1. Allan, you insult people all the time. Maybe your nickname should be Allan the Abusive.

          1. Anonymous the Stupid once again you do not focus on discussion. You are unable to. Do you know why? Because you are Anonymous the Stupid.

            The proof has been all around but you have your head in the wrong orifice and can’t hear or see anything. It’s similar to when you asked for proof of Cuomo’s senior murder policy. Are you still cheering for Cuomo’s Emmy?

              1. You are nothing more than a whiny brat. No content.

                This is the content:

                The proof has been all around but you have your head in the wrong orifice and can’t hear or see anything. It’s similar to when you asked for proof of Cuomo’s senior murder policy. Are you still cheering for Cuomo’s Emmy?

                1. And you again respond with insults. You’re like the abusive husband who hits is wife and then tells her that it’s her fault that she provoked him.

                  1. Anonymous the Stupid, I guess you remember when you had a free time insulting and interfering with other commenters. You insulted and interfered with me one too many times.

                    Stop whining.

        2. Since Kant described his type as nonage, perhaps that’s a better moniker for him and his ilk.

          Kant- Nonage: Nonage is the inability to use one’s own understanding without another’s guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one’s own mind without another’s guidance.

      4. Anon, all that the Biden administration has to do to debunk this story is to show a video of the immigrants getting their COVID tests. They now have every opportunity to show us how they are protecting the American people. When you find the administrations response please share it with us. I know, the sherif who said it is also a liar. Everyone must be out to get you. LIES! She exclaims. LIES! From lieing LIERS!

        1. TiT, you ignore that Olly said the Biden Admin has an “open border policy,” and Olly can’t prove it, and apparently you can’t prove it either.

          And as I already pointed out, the Trump Admin. ALSO didn’t have a policy of requiring people who arrive by land to take Covid tests. I’m sure you were complaining about it. (sarc)

    2. One of the grievances our 18th century Patriots had against the abusive power of the King and parliament was of quartering troops. Democrats continue to allege President Trump is/was a tyrant, but as always, it is a charge they are guilty of. Case in point:

      As we continue to work to meet the final post-inauguration requirements, the National Guard has been requested to continue supporting federal law enforcement agencies with 7,000 members and will draw down to 5,000 through mid-March,” Fox News quoted a January Guard statement as saying.

      1. Yes and why are the National Guard required in Washington?

        Because Trump repeatedly lied through his teeth about a stolen election, riled up a bunch of ignirant, mullet headed, deplorable, morally, intellectually and financially bankrupt proles who raided the capitol, tried to kill the Vice President and the Speaker of the House and got more than five people killed.

        That’s why the National Guard is there.

        As a result of Trump’s actions.

        Don’t be an idiot.

        There is no excuse for any American to be that dumb.

        You embarrass me. You embarrass yourself

        1. The armed troopers and walls an razor wires are not required. They are there only to menace and intimdate us. An illegitimate regime that rules by force

        2. Partly because Pelosi, by ignorance and or outright willfulness did not rightly prepare for the riots and is personally responsible for the results. Or she wanted the riots to happen to use for a political tool against the GOP.

          The fact she called no witnesses proves my claim.

          1. You Banana Republicans always try to find some way to flip blame to the Democrats.

            Trump thumbed his lips as Coronavirus swept the country, but it was the fault of the Democratic governors.

            You’re so full of crap, your eyes are brown.

            Pelosi had nothing to do with any of this.

            They were seeking to kill her, not that that would have happened if she had Secret Service around her, which I’m sure she did.

            The deplorables should consider themselves lucky they didn’t come within harm’s reach of Pence or Pelosi or they’d all be dead.

            This is all on Trump. Obviously.

            No American should be as gullible and dumb as you.

            There is no excuse unless it’s menopause or mental illness or something.

      2. So you cannot prove your claim, Olly, that the Biden Admin has an “open border policy allowing undocumented foreigners entry and release into our country without being tested.”

        Instead, you attempt to deflect to the Biden Admin slowly drawing down the 26,000 National Guard placed in DC by the Trump Admin. after the insurrection at the Capitol.

  6. “There was nothing hypocritical in denouncing Trump’s conduct as “unconscionable” while also maintaining that the trial was unconstitutional.”

    McConnell is the one who put the Senate in recess after voting to accept the EC votes, and McConnell is the one who refused to call the Senate back into session, making it impossible for Trump to be tried before leaving office. Doing that and then saying that Trump was guilty of the charge but had to be acquitted because he was no longer in office is ABSOLUTELY HYPOCRITICAL, and if you were more honest, JT, you’d admit it. McConnell is a dishonest schemer, and you’re an enabler, JT. Coward.

    1. Not just Mitch. Trumps defense team solely blamed Pelosi for not sending over the articles as if the House Managers trying to delver them to a locked Senate door would have made any difference.

    2. Once again demonstrating courtesy in your post.

      If you are going to insult someone, have the courage to sign your name.

      You are taking the cowards way.

      Steve Fleischer

      1. When I see you saying the same thing to people to those on the right who insult without using their real names, I’ll take your request more seriously.

  7. Eric Columbus, “Happy birthday to one of the greatest, Frederick Douglass. Born into slavery, he didn’t know his actual birthday, but chose to celebrate it on this day. He knew well that unity is worthless without democracy.”

          1. Anonymous the Stupid, the Obama / Biden team cost the US a lot so we are paying for their foolishness while we speak. Today more people are paying. I’ll give an example, the oil pipeline employees that no longer have jobs and those secondary support people that have lost business, rising gas prices and pollution from China when they use the oil that would have come to the US.

            When there is a train wreck and that train is carrying oil more people will have to pay.

            I know it is hard Anonymous the Stupid, but keep with it. Maybe one day your brain will kick in.

            1. Well Biden is a believer in the Green New Deal.

              You know, the Green New Deal that loaned $465 million to Tesla during the Obama administration so Tesla could modernize the Fremont plant to build the S.

              Tesla paid that loan back five years early and created tens of thousands of jobs, hundreds of billions in wealth and rapidly accelerated the inevitable and necessary transition to electric vehicles that run on renewable energy.

              That’s the Green New Deal.

              Musk is important because he’s the first Greenie to get filthy stinking and he will encourage other greenies to innovate with electric vehicles and alternative energy.

              In fact right now I am at Malibu Kitchen watching Jay Leno and a crowd ooooo and ahhhh over the SONDOROS MetaCycle.

              https://www.instagram.com/p/CLSQNPDHQw1/

              Did Trump launch anything even remotely that successful?

              Nope.

              He tanked the economy and destroyed millions of jobs with his stunning lack of leadership in the face of Coronavirus.

              I agree that Biden is maybe being premature by shutting down Keystone and eliminating those jobs.

              The world needs wealth the way a car needs oil and gas, and where would the world be without the wealth and capital created by oil?

              I have no problem with continuing to mine fossil fuels as long as there is an alternative in place, and the Green New Deal is working fast and furious to create that alternative.

              Biden shouldn’t be seen as the Job Killer, but maybe there’s method to his madness.

              Trump is a flatulent old gas bag with one foot in the grave who doesn’t have a future so he doesn’t care about the future.

              Biden and team are looking to the future.

              Just thank Odin Trump is out and stifled and stuck in Mar A Lago, cheating at golf and shtupping sad strippers – where he belongs.

              1. The One Eyed god of war has no care for American presidents one way or another “Ben”

              2. Ben asks: “Did Trump launch anything even remotely that successful?”

                Space Force, duh.

                1. A TV show with Steve Carell?

                  Did Trump’s Space Force create tens of thousands of jobs and hundreds of billions in new wealth, or is it costing billions in wealth?

                  Not even close.

                    1. What? How does Space Force have anything to do with Tesla?

                      I follow Tesla and read about it every day.

                      And I am surrounded by gazillionaires who are as tuned in as everything.

                      And I’ve never seen or heard or read any connection between Space Force and Tesla.

                      Is this just more of your brainless nonsense?

                    3. You might mean SpaceX but Tesla has nothing to do with rockets.

                      They make electric cars.

                      Although their Tesla S Plaid is going to have 1020 horsepower and it’s going to move like a rocket.

                    6. “I’m either going to block you or sign off this site because you are a raging dullard.”

                      Please do. Many have had enough with the braggart who lives in a Chevy Malibu and has run out of gas. I think even some on the left would love that as well because your arguments make them look bad.

                      SM

                    7. Live in Malibu and had a nice chat with Leno today as a matter of fact.

                      There is a regular car show at Malibu Kitchen and today Storm was showing off the MetaCycle – his new electric motorcycle.

                      Leno checked it out and liked it and he’s going to have Storm on Jay’s Garage or whatever his show is called.

                      This is an interesting place to live.

                      Dumbasses can’t afford to live here so I have to go online to be subjected to the likes of you.

                    8. “Dumbasses can’t afford to live here so I have to go online to be subjected to the likes of you.”

                      BM, anyone can buy or rent a used Chevy Malibu and be your next door neighbor. They might even have a full tank. How do you get to keep the Chevy Malibu in one spot? If you parked in front of my NYC home you would be towed away.

                      SM

                    9. schle·miel
                      /SHləˈmēl/

                      noun INFORMAL•NORTH AMERICAN

                      a stupid, awkward, or unlucky person.’

                      “he seems like the classic underdog schlemiel”

                    10. am haaretz

                      ALTERNATIVE SPELLINGS
                      am horets, am ha-aretz, amoretz, amorets, am ha’aretz, am haarets

                      DEFINITIONS
                      Bumpkin, ignoramus, uneducated person
                      Vulgar, boorish person
                      People of the land

                      EXAMPLE SENTENCES

                      “Stop being an am haaretz.”

                      “It is a shame that you are such a biggot and am haaretz yourself. This has nothing to do with halacha, it has to do with common sense, if you saw a person hit by a car in the street on Shabbos, would you not call for hatzolah and offer aid to the person to prevent their death Shabbos or Yom Tov?” (http://www.vosizneias.com/61395/2010/08/03/israel-rabbis-when-there-is-danger-to-life-everyone-must-call-police-even-on-shabbat)

                    11. Beheyme:

                      Literally translated, it means a “cow’s head” but as an insult, it means “fool.”

                      A “kosher beheyme,” means a “trusting little cow” or a very naive individual, the kind who would let themselves be led to the slaughter

                  2. Unfortunately, Turley has a mediocre commenting system. It doesn’t let you block trolls. And now that Allan has decided he dislikes you, he will troll you endlessly. The only choices are to ignore him, engage, or leave.

                    2. “Who is this guy?”

                      BM, I am S. Meyer, but I use an anonymous icon when responding to people that have zero usable content. I want to make sure others don’t waste their time with this type of discussion.

                      Now you know who I am and even a location for one of my homes. That is all you need to know. The door is open.

                      SM

                    4. “Meyer is a Jewish name? So you will know what a putz is.You’re a putz.”

                      BM, Your scholarship lacks depth. Meyer can be a Jewish name but it is also comes from England, Holland and Germany. You are not as bright as you think you are. In fact you are rather dim and lowbrow.

                      Putz is a Yiddish term but Yiddish is a fused language incorporating Hebrew, German, Slavic (and more) languages. Putz likely derives from the German Putzen or Yiddish putsn (to shine)

                      I know what a putz is but one doesn’t have to be Jewish to know the word.

                      SM

                    5. Yiddish has your number, coming and going.

                      𝐇𝐨𝐤 𝐚 𝐜𝐡𝐚𝐧𝐢𝐤:

                      To prattle on endlessly or be a Chatty Cathy, usually talking nonsense.

                    6. Anonymous the Stupid, please don’t leave. We can’t have a whiner’s convention without you.

                  3. Yes, Ben, Allan is a Trump fan. He also posts under the name S. Meyer (hence the SM at the bottom of some of his anonymous comments) and other names. Some of his go-to strategies for trolling:
                    Lie.
                    Insult.
                    Pretend to read someone’s mind and attack the person on the basis of his made up attribution.
                    Attribute his own failings to others.
                    Make up claims about what someone did in the past without ever linking to any evidence for his claim. He can’t, since it’s made up. Then when he’s asked for evidence, he asserts his made-up claim is common knowledge.

                    1. Anonymous the Stupid, I don’t have to make up things about you. I’m willing to live with what you say because it proves your lack of worth in a discussion group.

                      You always have a chance to correct the record, but you don’t. Instead you run away and then when someone brings it up again you say it isn’t true. Even then you refuse to say what you think you said.

                      Did you clap when Cuomo won an Emmy? How did you characterize NYS vs Texas and Florida where Covid was concerned? Take any issue you want. How about all those discussions with John Say, do they suddenly not exist?

                2. And Operation Warp Speed. We have vaccines in large part due to Trump’s leadership on that front.

                  1. Trump takes credit for everything.

                    A couple hundred thousand Americans died on his watch and tens of thousands are still dying.

                    Too little, too late.

                    1. Let’s go state by state starting with NYS and governor Cuomo. He won an Emmy after all so he must have been the best Democrat running a state. He’s a killer. Jail him. Next move onto New Jersey.

                      You seem to be all talk coming from the brainstem rather than the brain.

                      SM

              3. “Did Trump launch anything even remotely that successful?”

                Yes, the entire US economy that Obama was unable to manage.

                1. UImmmm Trump came after Obama.

                  Obama fixed a Bush43 destroyed economy in record time and set the table for Trump, and then Trump came in and shit all over the table.

                  Made an even bigger mess than Bush43.

                  IF that was even possible.

                  Trump came after Obama,

                  You need to upgrade your meth.

                  It’s effecting your sense.

              1. Once again the whining Anonymous the Stupid didn’t respond to content. Has anyone on this blog ever whined so much?

                Anonymous the Stupid if you feel inadequate and Stupid the simple answer is for you not to respond. You are too Stupid to do that simple thing. Do you know why? Because you are Anonymous the Stupid.

  10. The Liberal Left emboldened by the support of Big Tech Oligarchs (talk about white privileged) are the New McCarthyism.

  11. Thank you, Professor Turley, for sharing your perspective on the process and the outcome of the impeachment trial. I think that it is spot on. Senator Schumer and Speaker Pelosi have been in office way too long. It’s time to consider term limits.

      2. Gosh Anonymous the Stupid, you have me agreeing with that as well. What new pill did you just take?

  12. One truth! Were Trump a Democrat, or if Obama committed the same acts in 2017, the Senate would have convicted 90-10 with every republican voting in favor. These are the party leaders who voted to convict Bill Clinton of lying about sex in a private affair. Impeachment is not a criminal trial and not governed by criminal procedure, it is political & non-criminal. McConnell’s statement confirms that. Demanding that House Managers observe criminal procedural standards to impeach is not a constitutional requirement and unnecessary. The Constitution provides criminal prosecution after impeachment, regardless. A President accused of sedition could do untold damage to the democracy and its institutions unless the House acts quickly. Trump is not on bail after impeachment.
    .

    1. Fred, if Clinton was to do the same act today it would be considered sexual harassment. A very powerful man taking advantage of a naive intern. Then using all the power of the party to demean her and call her a liar. He was a man committing such actions in a serial nature. Next you will tell us it’s just a bimbo eruption. Just a little matter to contend with. The blue dress. It wasn’t the issue of a b-job it was the malicious attempt of a cover up that brought Clinton and his wife’s downfall. An attempt to destroy a young women’s life was made in order to keep their power. Thank goodness that in the long run their chickens came home to roust. They have always thought that they are immune from the consequences of their actions. It took a long time but without their past Donald Trump would never have become President.

      1. Yeah the Clintons kind of sucked too.

        Wild Bill getting a blowjob had severe resonations: He put Bush43 and Trump in office, and they did more damage than 100 Clintons could have down.

        Obama was the rockstar this country needed.

        Biden was right about him being “clean.”

        No drama, Obama, just get it done. And he did miracles.

        The Democrats need to produce another Obama-class rockstar, but they don’t grow on trees.

        I keep hoping Kamala Harris will emerge, but so far Obama is Kobe Bryant, and Kamala is the WNBA.

        1. Ben, Biden was really telling us that Obama was a “clean” intelligent Black guy. He was different from those dirty kids playing in the hood. Why else use the adjective. Would he ever need to tell us that Hillary was a “clean”intelligent women. His racism found its away to the surface and you voted for him anyway. He believes that blacks are helpless innocents that could never become “clean” and intelligent without the wave of his benevolent hand.

    2. Why exactly did Clinton lie about a perfectly legal private prior sexual encounter with his work subordinate Lewinsky. What was his motivation? Paula Jones sued BC for sexual harassment, which Bill denied (called his female victim of sexual harassment a liar, same as he did later Re. Lewinsky; his MO, just like most politicians of all stripes.) BC admitting the truth under oath was a legal flame thrower in the hands of Jones’ legal team.

      Of course Bill eventually paid Jones almost $1M for his lies and sexual harassment.

      Interesting how dims are so woke Re. sexual harassment till one of their heroes does it like BC and the co-founder of the Lincoln Project.

      People like you and dims in general heap a lot of bad karma on themselves for justifying BC’s felony perjury. The fact that he lied about lawful consensual sex is 100% irrelevant. He lied to support another lie to avoid financial responsibility for un-chargeable sexual crimes against innocent female victims who had enough evidence to at least charge him civily.

      How is Bill’s perjury OK? If it’s not, stop lying about that justifying it.

      1. Bill Clinton was a skunk too. He blew it, besmirched the presidency and probably cost both Al Gore and Hillary Clinton their presidencies.

        You can take the boy out of Arkansas, but you can’t take Arkansas out of the boy.

        The hillbilly kicked in and Wild Bill just had to grab some p****y.

  13. JT says: “to hold an opposing view was pronounced not just by the Democratic leadership but the media as craven cowardice or virtual treason. It is precisely the type of rhetoric and false labeling by Trump that many of us denounced over the last four years. There is no room for disagreement; only patriots and traitors.”

    I know that many of US denounced Trump’s lies over the past four years, but if JT ever did, would someone please tell us the whats and whens he did. Thanks.
    I’ll hold.

  14. Even with doctoring the evidence (the date, the twitter check and the cherry picked video) and the House Managers still couldn’t win. There is something in the human psyche that rages against its betters. The impeachment was a joke, was exposed as a joke and now the clowns are in disarray, disbelief and dysfunction . Let freedom ring.

    1. In what altered reality do you live in? The repo party is splitting in two, the trump/Q party, and all the rest. They will never win a national election as long as trump/Q have a significant say in the party.

      1. Baby, mespo was guaranteeing a Trump win in the election,

        He regularly confuses his fantasies for reality.

    2. The date was not doctored in the evidence presented in the Senate. If you’d paid closer attention to what Trump’s lawyer said, you’d know that. Or maybe you do know it, and you’re lying about it.
      If you consider “cherry picked video” to be “doctoring the evidence,” then Trump’s lawyers introduced more doctored evidence than the House managers did.

  15. Well said overall, Professor Turley. I disagree with one point:

    “And so the age of rage will continue not because it must but because we love it.”

    There are only some who love it, and they love it for their own manipulative purposes or they are nihilistic. I, for one, do not love it, and I’m tired of these shenanigans.

    1. Prairie, maybe you missed Turley’s weaponizing his column against the enemies of his patron’s – the GOP and Fox. He’s a complete partisan fraud who falsely parades as an objective observer.

      1. Professor Turley is a conscientious liberal. He would have made the same arguments against McCarthyism that he makes now against speech codes and censorship. MSNBC and CNN and their radical-hive-mind subscribers hate him because he doesn’t endorse their calls for conducting show trials and shutting down opposing networks. I seriously doubt those networks want him on.

        Let’s explore your philosophical consistency. Do you support shutting down Fox News? Do you support speech codes?

    2. I will state unequivocally that I DO NOT love it and wish that those prolonging and spreading this hate and unrest would shut up. So many other issues that need our attention that could better our circumstances. Oh, forget about it. there is little chance that different opinions can be heard and
      lead to middle ground. That wall is metaphorical and harder to tear down.

  16. I am delighted so many democrats are enraged over this for hatred is self consuming. If the country is lucky some of these low double digit IQ nut cases will destroy themselves – good riddance.

  17. The party of “never let a good crisis go to waste” , yet again proves their anti constitutional bent by making up rules and law to hold this kangaroo court fiasco. Senile Lord Darth Biden of china is the real perp that should be impeached. He is not the commander in chief … he is the grifter in chief. The puppet of the tech oligarchs , chicoms and the woke cancer “kultur”. To try and force LGBTQAZMKX alphabet group insanity upon on the citizenry is vile , immoral and a flat out lie meant to divide and distract. Meanwhile the puppet masters in the swamp kneecap our energy industry while they marshal their goons now to figure out how to eliminate our 2nd amendment. The very amendment created to allow the citizenry to toss off the yoke of a gobbermint gone oppressive and corrupt to it’s core. America beware the – the swamp , the puppet masters , the elite oligarchy , the chicom financiers are coming for you. Be wary , they are wolves guarding the henhouse and mean to slaughter the sheeple’s will if we bend to their filth.

    1. You’re seeing a team of psychiatrists aren’t you?

      Or perhaps you’ve fled to Canada fearing your estranged, frightened family are going to identify you as one of the Capitol rioters and you’re afraid of federal prison.

      America’s loss is Canada’s gain.

  18. Shill #1, McConnell. In his post acquittal speech he said, Trump is a lier, trump provoked the insurrection, trump was guilty of everything the demos accused him of. But he would not convict because he (Mitch McConnell) delayed the trial until after trump left office. What a spineless shill.

    Make no mistake, the repos with a significant trump faction will never win a national election.

    1. Read the letter by Former Chief of Police Capitol Police Steven A Sund posted online

      1000s arrived in riot gear, pepper spray, bear spray, weapons, ear pieces etc & attacked Capitol Police who were not equipped for this

      They were not MAGA people

      Mr Sund immediately called for help it took the Department of Defense 3 hours to approve an urgent request for National Guard support

      1. They were all MAGA people.

        You coukd tell by the pot bellies and the mullets and the missing teeth and the improper diction.

        Proles. Deplorables. Clearly.

        The Capitol police showed a lot of restraint in not mowing those idiots down.

        But if the mullet heads had got within harm’s length of Pence or Pelosi the Secret Service would have fired at will with some very nasty weapons.

        Guaranteed.

          1. It’s not hate.

            It’s relief.

            After 4 years of moral political and philosophical constipation it’s been nice to take a giant Trump.

            Thank Odin the American people came to their senses, voted Trump out of office and stifled him on social media.

            And I have perfectly groomed, lovely hair.

            No mullets, no tattoos.

            Nothing deplorable at all..

            And I use very precise English because it’s proper spelling grammar and diction that distinguish us from the Mongol races.

            1. Ben, the Mongols aren’t a race, and I bet their grammar and diction in Mongolian is just fine. I’ve seen you use “Mongol races” as a slur more than once now, and you should stop. Or do you like stooping to the bigotry that’s more common among those on the right?

              1. Well the proper expression is “Mongrel races” but that’s a little too Hitler Aryan – ha i meant Hitlerian – so I use “Mongol races” nstead.

                Because who am I insulting?

                Gengus Khan?

                And there is this: The term Mongolian race or Mongol race could mean: the indigenous people of Mongolia called the Mongols. the Mongolian peoples, a group of ethnic groups including other peoples speaking various Mongolic languages as well just as those particular Mongols that are the primary ethnic group in Mongolia.

                1. “The term Mongolian race or Mongol race could mean: the indigenous people of Mongolia called the Mongols. the Mongolian peoples, a group of ethnic groups including other peoples speaking various Mongolic languages as well just as those particular Mongols that are the primary ethnic group in Mongolia.”

                  And you insult all of them when you say things like “I use very precise English because it’s proper spelling grammar and diction that distinguish us from the Mongol races.”

                  1. It’s a gag. Its a joke. It’s a play on words.

                    Pull that stick out of your butt and replace it with a sense of humor.

                    It’s better than “Mongrel races.”

                    1. It may have been intended as a joke, but it’s not funny, and it’s racist. If you want to use humor, find something funny to say.

                    3. LMAO, Ben, that you imply I’m a “moron” after thanking me earlier “for being a defender of the truth.” You’re a bit defensive about being criticized by a fellow lefty.

              2. 😏 Ben Dover doesn’t need silencing. I know, he’s saying those Lefty quiet things out loud and in turn blowing up your false narrative. But he’s the perfect voice for why we need to defend free speech. Don’t force his type underground. They should be as public as possible so everyone knows the true face of Democrats and their Lefty influencers.

                1. I’m not silencing him. I’m disagreeing with him. No single person speaks for the left, so don’t pretend he does.

                  1. I don’t speak for the left. I speak for that level of American society who are too smart to get mixed up in all the left/right stuff, which is really just an opiate for the proles. A way to keep them divided and distracted.

                    My mom always told me her family were the “intelligentsia” because they ran Kodak in the 30s and 40s and were educated and wealthy.

                    There are idiots on both sides – BLM, Antifa, Qanon, Proud Boys.

                    Most of them have no clue what they are rioting about, because they are proles and dumb as dirt.

                    There are people who hover above all the left/right nonsense and are glad they aren’t that dumb, and throw peanuts at the proles.

                  2. No single person speaks for the left, so don’t pretend he does.

                    You are a gift, Anonage.

                    Or do you like stooping to the bigotry that’s more common among those on the right?

                    😃

                2. Olly, I’m with you. I want Ben to write and write. I agree that his speech that is never contested by his fellow progressive travelers on this blog should be protected. It lends us to a peas in a pod analogy. He is indeed a living testimony. Rage on I say, rage on.

                  1. This is all pearls before deplorable swine but whatever. It’s amazing what you can learn, arguing with know-nothings.

                    No American should be that gullible and dumb.

                    There is no excuse.

                  2. Ben Dover’s contributions should be celebrated. He is the poster child for the New Democratic party. If there was any doubt before, there won’t be now.

                    Keep going Dover!

                  3. “his speech that is never contested by his fellow progressive travelers on this blog”

                    I was contesting his comment about “Mongol races,” TiT. Why do you keep lying?

        2. Ben continues to reveal himself. He is a master of the stereotype. He picked it up from Hillary and her “Deplorables” statement. One of the worst statements in the history of politics. It was a huge loser for her and Ben it’s a huge loser for you. It also is a huge testimony of hate. Thank you so much for representing your fellow progressives so succinctly.

          1. I doubt you’ve ever listened to her entire statement.

            For your edification –

            You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump’s supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. Right? They’re racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamophobic – you name it. And unfortunately, there are people like that. And he has lifted them up. He has given voice to their websites that used to only have 11,000 people – now have 11 million. He tweets and retweets their offensive hateful mean-spirited rhetoric. Now, some of those folks – they are irredeemable, but thankfully, they are not America.

            But the “other” basket – the other basket – and I know because I look at this crowd I see friends from all over America here: I see friends from Florida and Georgia and South Carolina and Texas and – as well as, you know, New York and California – but that “other” basket of people are people who feel the government has let them down, the economy has let them down, nobody cares about them, nobody worries about what happens to their lives and their futures; and they’re just desperate for change. It doesn’t really even matter where it comes from. They don’t buy everything he says, but – he seems to hold out some hope that their lives will be different. They won’t wake up and see their jobs disappear, lose a kid to heroin, feel like they’re in a dead-end. Those are people we have to understand and empathize with as well.

            1. Anon, So Hillary said half of America is racist, homophobic, sexist, xenophobic, and islamophobic. So none of us have gay people, or women, or those from another nation that we love in our family. She was simply trying to pit one group against another. In your case she was wildly successful. A women with little cubby holes in her mind for other human beings.

              1. Thinkit, she said 1/2 of Trump supporters, not half of Americans. Trump supporters are less than half of Americans – proven now in 2 elections – and so she’s unfortunately about right – less than 1/ 4 of Americans.

            2. We saw the deplorables in action during the Capitol riot: Stupid, violent, morally, intellectually and financially bankrupt.

              A whole bunch of sad Americans eaten up with the dumbass.

              And now a mess of them are going to prison – hopefully for a long long time.

  19. Yes we can clearly see the sources of divisiveness that has been going on for years. President Biden is the chief divider and the other two old timers prove why now is the time for term limits for Congress.

  20. “… people of good faith…”

    Precious few of them in the Dems camp.

    Cries for vengeance, whines of anger, whimpers of disgust.

    All predictable, all redundant.

    I read what they said because Turley quoted them, but few of us bother listening to liars.

    Many Americans just tune them out.

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