There was a palpable sense of relief in Washington as the Trump trial came to a chaotic but final end. The verdict is in so now the vilification can begin. Both Majority Leader Chuck Schumer and Speaker Nancy Pelosi immediately weaponized the verdict and demonized those who voted to acquit. While the Democrats insisted that all senators should “vote their conscience” that only meant if their conscience supported their side. Pelosi denounced opposing senators as cowards while Schumer lashed out at them for holding an opposing view of the evidence or the process. While groups are targeting members on both sides of the trial, our leaders should be calling for unity and civility after the trial. Instead, they are fueling the politics of division.
CNN and other media followed suit. While McConnell denounced Trump and said that he could still be held accountable for any crimes, CNN hosts Wolf Blitzer and Dana Bash immediately followed his speech by denouncing him as hypocritical. There was nothing hypocritical in denouncing Trump’s conduct as “unconscionable” while also maintaining that the trial was unconstitutional. What Democratic members and commentators would not accept is that anyone could hold opposing views on these questions and not be a shill or coward. Welcome to unity in 2021. It remains unity on our terms or else. The “or else” was made clear to Trump’s defense counsel soon after the verdict. Attorney Michael Van der Veen’s home was vandalized. Other lawyers have faced harassment and threats after campaigns targeting them by groups like The Lincoln Project for representing Trump or Republicans.
The media quickly reinforced the rejection of any possibility that senators could have voted their conscience. CNN Reporter Abby Phillip stated as a fact that there is no real argument that a former president cannot be tried for impeachment. Thus, any vote on that basis was dishonest and craven. As with past coverage, the hosts simply ignored professors, judges, and legendary figures like Justice Joseph Story who have argued against retroactive trials. Moreover, many academics who have studied this issue (including myself) have said that it is extremely close. While we all reach conclusions, most of us have stated that people of good faith can disagree on where the default should be on the question. That however is not what CNN viewers were told. Phillip and her colleagues insisted that there is no real debate — as did the House managers. Thus, anyone voting with the view of figures like Justice Story are liars or cowards or lying cowards. You choose.
The rage expressed by such figures deflected attention from those most responsible for the loss of this trial: the House leadership. As I have previously discussed, there was no evidence of a strategy to convict as opposed to enrage in this trial. First, the House leadership used a “snap impeachment” without even a day for hearings. The House had from Jan. 6th to Jan. 20th (since there was little chance of a Senate trial before Trump left office). At a minimum, it could have held a couple days of hearings to create a record. Instead, it decided to send an article of impeachment for the first time in history without any record of a hearing, investigation, or even a chance for Trump to respond.
Second, it drafted an article of impeachment for “incitement of insurrection” – a poorly conceived article that all but guaranteed a loss. It could have crafted the article in a myriad of ways to garner broader support but House leadership wanted to accuse Trump of trying to start a rebellion against the United States. Finally, it could have called witnesses for four weeks to offer testimony on Trump’s state of mind, a dozen witnesses who could establish what Trump said and did in these critical hours. It refused to do so.
The incoherence of the House case was made plain in the final hours when lead House manager Jamie Raskin threw the trial in disarray by demanding witnesses just before closing arguments. The Senate had reportedly decided against that option but Raskin rose and, like a scene out of Perry Mason, claimed that a new witness had emerged the night before: Rep. Jaime Hererra Beutler (R-WA). Raskin breathlessly described how the House just saw news reports that Beutler had information on a phone call between Trump and House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) where Trump showed support for the rioters. The problem is that the claim did not appear to be true. Beutler’s account was public before the trial began and the McCarthy call was known to the House for over four weeks. The demand only highlighted the failure of Raskin and the House to call a single fact witness in the House for four weeks on this and other reports.
Yet, the Senate Democrats could not risk the ire of their base if they opposed the House managers. They had to follow Raskin over the cliff. In commenting live on the Raskin’s demand, I noted that he had clearly taken the senators by surprise and that these are politicians who are risk adverse and unlikely to go down the road of the unknown with Raskin. There is a reason why the House has been timid about calling witnesses who might also show that the House was warned of the prospect of violence, refused National Guard troops, and was negligent in dealing with the riot. Witnesses would also highlight the failure of the House to call such witnesses for a month. Finally, some of that testimony might not support the House’s suggestion that Trump delayed the deployment of troops or other parts of the unchallenged narrative by managers.
The result was as incoherent as Raskin’s argument. So, as expected, they reversed the vote by pretending that they were supporting the House managers. They agreed to a stipulation that was so absurd that it only lacked the requisite joke drum beat. Raskin had already described Beutler’s account on the record in his remarks. Yet, the Senate had him agree to a stipulation to again describe the call and then drop his demand. It was stipulating that a piece of hearsay that was previously discussed on the record could be stated on the record. To make even more absurd, the statement quoted Beutler as saying that she had previously discussed the call in public – directly refuting what Raskin told the Senate. Keep in mind Raskin had just claimed that this was new evidence from “last night” and that the Senate now needed to call witnesses on this “additional critical piece of corroborating evidence further confirming the charges.”
Here is what he then read to the Senate from Beutler: “I have shared these details in countless conversations with constituents and colleagues and multiple times to the media and other public forums. I told it to the Daily News of Longview on January 17th. I’ve shared it with local county Republican executive board members as well as other constituents who asked me to explain my vote. I shared it with thousands of residents on my telephone Town Hall on February 8th.” It was new evidence that she shared with thousands over weeks of public statements?
None of that matters of course because the House never showed any intention of establishing Trump’s state of mind or even prevailing in the trial. The true purpose was made manifestly clear by Schumer and Pelosi within minutes of the verdict. There would be no allowance for a good-faith vote unless it was a vote in favor their position. While the House Republicans refused to punish Rep. Lynn Cheney for her vote to impeach, Schumer and others are only willing to recognize such a vote of conscience in favor of their side. To hold an opposing view was pronounced not just by the Democratic leadership but the media as craven cowardice or virtual treason. It is precisely the type of rhetoric and false labeling by Trump that many of us denounced over the last four years. There is no room for disagreement; only patriots and traitors.
And so the age of rage will continue not because it must but because we love it.
Agreed, there’s an age of rage and a love for it. It literally drives the comment section of your blog, Turley. And you’re quite adept at stirring it up. The review of the trial shows this.
Let’s stop with the nonsense that another handful of witnesses would’ve changed a thing. The fix was in on this trial, as it was in Trump’s first. Witnesses. No witnesses. Didn’t matter. What mattered was McConnell had control enough to boot this trial to the next term so that he could cite that as being unconstitutional even after a vote said it wouldn’t be unconstitutional. What was highlighted is that the only way an impeachment can work is to have control of the congress and the senate against a president of a different party. Anything else, literally, will never work when the target is 67 votes. As far as this…
“There was nothing hypocritical in denouncing Trump’s conduct as “unconscionable” while also maintaining that the trial was unconstitutional.”
McConnell cited a reason that he created for his response. The trial happened after trump left office because Mitch made it happen. Period. And furthermore, as Raskin stated, they voted on constitutionality previous to the trial getting underway and acting contrary to that just because you can use it as an excuse is the height of hypocrisy…
And watch: when a Merrick Garland Justice Dept. turns its attention to trump, Mitch will the be the first to do what you’ve done in your post here >> he’ll kick and scream about lack of unity. And if dems submit to that way of thinking they deserve whatever they get (and the country will suffer the result). The unity Mitch deserves will be to step on his throat in exactly the way he does when he’s in control.
Noted in my time here on the blog that you’ve stood up strongly against anti facism and in favor of extortion and politically inspired lynch mobs. And I’m guessing when you addressed the repub lunch going into this impeachment that they utilized your recommendations without changing a word. Be proud, Turley, you’ve managed to divide and conquer the impeachment process into being a tool only open to be utilized when there is a democrat in the executive branch. You’ll be known for it and history will regard you as such. It is now acceptable to lose an election, march on the Capitol in session, beat cops with flags and take a s^&t on the floor…
Maybe it should be labeled the Turley exception???
Elvis Bug
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There was no fix because there was no trial because no trial involving a former president is provided for by the Constitution. The “unconscionable,” nay, the illegal and unconstitutional acts, were the crimes of high office of the Managers and Senators who participated in an unconstitutional show trial with no basis in law, as complicit accomplices, and who violated the U.S. Constitution, for which they must now be impeached, as traitors “…adhering to their [domestic] Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort…,” and with extreme prejudice, for prosecution with malice aforethought, dereliction, gross negligence, abuse of power and usurpation of power.
“The President…” and “…the Chief Justice shall preside…” you ——- idiot.
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Article 2, Section 4
The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.
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Article 1, Section 3, Claus 6
The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: And no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two thirds of the Members present.
Sorry. Don’t speak crazed f^&k trisquit. Take it elsewhere.
EB
Exactly. The Trial should never have taken place. And treating it in a serious manner is absurd. It was a Stalinist show trial from start to finish. Every House Democrat voted to impeach. Every Senate Democrat’ voted to convict. And we all knew they would vote that way before I word was spoken by the Defense. The House managers lied and fabricated evidence, yet the Media & the Democrats didn’t care. I also find it interesting that no one was concerned with proving Trump had committed a “High crime”. As shown by the wording in the constitution, a “High Crime” is mentioned in same sentence with Treason and Bribery indicating a fairly serious matter. Yet there’s zero evidence Trump committed any crime at all on Jan 6th. ZERO. And the House Managers didn’t’ even try to provide any. All they did was label a riot and “Insurrection”, and assert without evidence that Trump had control over the rioters and told them to commit violence.
Communists and RINOs rewrote the facts and the truth to fit their kindergarten narrative. Trump incited to peaceably assemble and protest and to petition the government for redress of a stolen election (the theft beginning with illegal immigration of democrat voters and progressing to election manipulation as uncontrolled vote-by-mail and ballot harvesting for which actual democrat cheaters have been prosecuted, blocking election observers, stopping counts at 10 PM and resuming counts at 1 AM, etc., – no one knows what vote-counting computers are doing and they should have never even been considered – counts can be manipulated by thumb drives inserted over the Internet from any point on the planet).
Fun Fact: Were the actual meaning and intent of the Constitution implemented and supported, parasites would not be able to vote for “free stuff” from other people’s money, assets and enterprises and they would have no motivation to vote at all. If they couldn’t vote for welfare, affirmative action, unfair “fair housing,” etc., they would have nothing at all to vote for. Central planning, control of the means of production (i.e. regulation), redistribution of wealth and social engineering and precluded by the Constitution. Democrats can’t do any of that per the Constitution, and wouldn’t if America had a legitimate Supreme Court.
Yeah the election was stolen, right.
Hey I can get you a good deal on the Golden Gate Bridge!
DM me!
P.S. Trump lost because America woke up to the reality that Trump is a wife-cheating, stripper-shtupping, student-defrauding, charity-stealing, draft-dodging, riot-inciting charlatan, conman and fraud.
He was only in office because Americans didn’t like Hillary.
A MASSIVE mistake, but Democracy survived.
You just said that. What a ——- idiot!
Let’s begin at the ending.
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“[We gave you] a republic, if you can keep it.”
– Ben Franklin
Franklin’s was a severely restricted-vote republic of citizen “entitled” to vote, or not, under the dominion of a severely restrictive Constitution and Bill of Rights. Right off the bat, you don’t know what you’re talking about. Washington was elected in 1788 under a turnout of 11.6% by design; by law. The voters must have been: Male, European, 21 with 50 lbs. Sterling/50 acres. Never did the American Founders intend one man, one vote democracy. This is not your Founders’ America and your Founders’ America cannot and will not persist.
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Moving on…
“I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky.”
– Bill Clinton
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JFK, Monster
By Timothy Noah
“I knew that John F. Kennedy was a compulsive, even pathological adulterer, given to taking outlandish risks after he entered the White House. I knew he treated women like whores. And I knew he had more than a few issues with his father about toughness and manliness and all that. But before I read in the newspaper that Mimi Alford’s just-released memoir, Once Upon A Secret: My Affair With President John F. Kennedy And Its Aftermath, described giving Dave Powers a blow job at JFK’s request and in his presence, I didn’t know that Kennedy had an appetite for subjecting those close to him to extreme humiliation.”
“Clinton pays Paula Jones $850,000”
Associated Press
Wed 13 Jan 1999 13.15 EST
“WASHINGTON (AP) – Paula Jones is awaiting the arrival of an $850,000 cheque from President Clinton, bringing an official end to the four-year saga spurred by her allegations of sexual harassment.”
“FDR and His Women”
“… she was deeply wounded to discover that Franklin had been having an affair with her secretary, Lucy Mercer.”
Bill Clinton as enabled by Hillary Clinton
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1. Eileen Wellstone (1969) Allegation: Sexual assault
2. Anonymous female student at Yale University (1972) Allegation: Sexual assault
3. Anonymous female student at the University of Arkansas (1974) Allegation: Sexual assault
4. Anonymous female lawyer (1977) Allegation: Sexual assault
5. Juanita Broaddrick (1978) Allegation: Rape
6. Carolyn Moffet (1979) Allegation: Sexual assault
7. Elizabeth Ward (1983) Allegation: Unclear
8. Sally Perdue (1983) Allegation: Unclear
9. Paula Jones (1991) Allegation: Sexual harassment
10. Sandra Allen James (1991) Allegation: Sexual assault
11. Christy Zercher (1992) Allegation: Sexual assault
12. Kathleen Willey (1993) Allegation: Sexual assault
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We conclude with election fraud which began long ago with illegal and deleterious mass immigration designed to dilute America, Americans and the American electorate into extinction and provide communists with ever increasing and globalized power for power’s sake. Diluting the national population and electorate has never been a strategy in any other nation in history. It isn’t a national goal, it is an ideological goal; global communist ideology. Blatant state election law violations, corruptible vote-by-mail, ballot harvesting, blocking election observers, stopping counting at 10 PM and restarting counting an 1 AM, revealing tray after tray of hidden ballots, counting and then recounting the same ballots, and counting votes by eminently corruptible computers rounds out the methodology of election theft, which was extant and factual.
Love how you toggle back and forth here between high crime and crime, while avoiding addressing incitement. Awesome rationalization.
EB
One cannot address that which did not, does not and never will exist.
Your imaginary claim is false, insidious, malicious, fraudulent, inane and frivolous.
President Donald J. Trump encouraged his supporters to “peacefully and patriotically” proceed to constitutional public assembly and to petition their government for redress of their grievance of the stolen election – all eminently legal, constitutional and patriotic, and thoroughly American.
Antifa, BLM, combined covert forces and actual crazies, with no relationship to President Donald J. Trump, incited to riot, stormed the Capitol and then filmed it all for distribution to the MSM and SMPs, beginning almost an hour before President Donald J. Trump finished his speech.
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“Disobedience is the true foundation of liberty. The obedient must be slaves.”
– Henry David Thoreau
Generally I love Thoreau quotes. In this case maybe using one will convince someone you’re on the right track. Not me. But someone.
EB
If Trump committed a crime, a Dem National AG and a Dem prosecutor in DC have wrongly not charged Trump. They have not charged him and won’t because Trump would win, be vindicated, and stupid Dem voters would have no more dead horse to beat.
Prove me wrong liar.
10+
Blame the messenger. What a piece of human excrement are you. If Turley is so bad what does that say about Pelosi who followed Turley’s exact advice to her on what to charge Trump in the first impeachment?
Take your meds Princess
How proud Trump supporters must be today, the Trumpian troglodyte’s who have been complicit in supporting a amoral con-man who will go down in history as the worst POTUS ever, are jumping for joy. The fact that their Dear Leader yet again can foster violent extremism and desecrate American democracy is profoundly disturbing. The morally bankrupt republican party who are directly responsible for the monstrosity of Trump, will go down with Trump in history. So enjoy your profound ignorance in thinking that this is a victory for your appetite for fascism and authoritarianism. All it has done is to show a bright light on domestic terrorism that has been hiding in plain site for to long.
Yes!!!
Elvis Bug
10+
It’s great to know that our partners in dialogue here, Fish, Bug, and Natch, consider Trump voters equivalent to “terrorists”
just as Rep Speier of California said a week or two ago
Really folks, if you think we are terrorists, then we are lower even than an armed adversary complying with the laws of war
The word terrorist has very specific legal denotation. A “franc tireur” has no rights under the Geneva Convention and can be shot out of hand and is not even required to be incarcerated like a POW.
So glad to know that’s what you think of us. Worse than foreign adversaries. Amazing. Forgive me if I think it’s foolish to curry favor with people who want me dead.;
Sal Sar
No Trump voters are terrorists, but The Waco Kid summed you up pretty well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZvT2r828QY
Which begged the question of how their base became so enraged.
In his typical “it’s the Denmocrats, CNN, and MSNBC fault” column, GOP lapdog and Fox News hack Turley pretends Trump – the guy he’s been protecting and making excuses for for 4 years – was not just found guilty – 57 to 43, but not convicted because that takes a 2/3 vote – of an act of deadly treason for which no one with any moral substance – Turley lacks any – would look on without rage. That Turley’s party – he adviced them before the trial and of course is their go-to “legal hack – I mean – analyst” – would not vote for conviction on the etchnicality they caused – McConnell refused to hear it in the Senate while he was still in office.- is cause for double rage. McConnell’s Senate speech wherein he agreed to everything Trump was accused of is the best we could expect from Turley’s party as he used the excuse Turley gave him. Now we have the spectacle of Truley doing the “hey, be cool man. Don’t get so uptight” and pretending again to be an independent observer guided by reason, not his own petty self interest and score settling – wanna bet there are more Swalwell columns to come?
This man is small and shrinking every day.
Only since he testified at Trump’s first impeachment. Before that he was a darling of the left. A bit of hypocrisy here? Even though I disagree with Turley’s politics, I admire his candor. Free speech is supposed to be for the and for me, not just for thee. To belittle or defame anyone who doesn’t follow the narrative is to oppose the foundation of our freedoms. If’s also childish beyond belief.
JT hasn’t ever been “a darling of the left.” Not sure why you imagine that.
I never got that either, how is Turley a darling of the left when he has been carrying BS for the right-wing for years.
@fishwings
JT holds liberal positions on most issues, including “gay marriage” and is a self proclaimed liberal. BUT that isn’t enough to satisfy our friends on the left. ANYONE who supports a traditional view on free speech, opposes censorship or hate speech laws, and is not afflicted with Trump derangement syndrome is seen no different than any “alt-right nazi”.
JT, you are an intelligent, well meaning guy, but they still hate you. Hate to be the one to break the bad news.
antonio
JT drops his shorts whenever the checkbook comes out. It’s as simple as that. He’s not much different than Stormy Daniels.
Dumb and doesn’t know it.
SM
Typical ignorance from Anonymous the Stupid. Turley identifies himself as a Democrat.
Typical of Allan to respond with insults and move the goalposts. “Democrat” != “a darling of the left.”
Democrats have embraced the left. No goal posts were removed Anonymous the Stupid. I think Turkey also has said he is center left.
You are having a lot of problems with the facts.
Allan, work on your reasoning skills. I said “Democrat” != “a darling of the left.” If you don’t know, the symbol != means “does not equal.” There are over 47 million Democrats in the US, and if “Democrat” were a substitute for “a darling of the left,” then all of those millions would be darlings of the left. They aren’t. As I initially said, JT hasn’t ever been “a darling of the left.” That he’s a Democrat doesn’t make him “a darling of the left.” If he’s center left, that doesn’t make him “a darling of the left” either. He isn’t a “a darling of the left,” and your attempts to substitute other claims are indeed attempts to move the goalposts.
Every time you respond with insults, you simply further demonstrate that you’re an abusive person. I feel sorry for your family that they have such an abusive person in their midst.
“then all of those millions would be darlings of the left. “
Anonymous the Stupid, tight now almost the entire Democrat Party is acting united pushing leftist thinking, cancel culture, censorship of speech etc. Those same people respected Turley in previous years just like they respected Alan Dershowitz. We have had this argument before when I said Turley was center left / Democrat.
If you want to act stupid, act stupid.
If you want to whine, whine.
The democrats made a tactical error. They should have insisted on mail-in or electronic voting. Then they could have flipped 10 republican votes.
This is just another episode of the “Two minutes hate” that has lasted for about 5 years so far. If unity was anywhere in their minds, Pelosi, Schumer, and Biden would all have come out with a “let’s come together as a nation and get past Donald Trump” statement.
This impeachment which was hung on the endless playing of the video of those horrible attacks on the Capitol and was conceived and executed for the sole purpose of exacerbating our divisions. This had less than nothing to do with the Constitution, the rule of Law, or preserving our democracy.
The Democrats profited from stoking anger and hate over the past 4 or more years and they now see the opportunity to use it to drive the opposition to ground and eliminate them.
Not that Trump hasn’t cooperated with them.
No the Democrats wanted to hold Trump responsible for lying through his teeth about a stolen election.
An idea that was shot down by everyone from the Supreme Court to Mitch McConnell.
And those lies stirred up a bunch of impressionable stupid, mullet-headed, morally intellectually and financially bankrupt proles who raided the capitol, threatened to kill the Vice President and the Speaker of the House and ended up killing five innocent people.
That’s what the Democrats wanted.
Responsibility for a heinous act.
They knew they wouldn’t get a conviction but they wanted the facts out there for all intelligent, responsible people to see.
The same intelligent responsible Americans who came to their senses and voted Trump out of office and into historical ignominy.
The Democrats are now past Trump.
Over it. He is now stuck and stifled in Mar-A-Lago where he can cheat at Golf and shag sad strippers.
Now it’s up to the southern district of New York to throw his fat sorry ass into prison.
Republicans screw it up. Democrats clean it up.
America is about to see what true leadership is all about.
The long National nightmare is over.
And pal there is no excuse for any American to be that gullible and stupid.
You embarrass me. You embarrass yourself.
…oh, and Hillary Clinton did not “Bleachbit” 30,000 e-mails constituting willful, blatant and egregious destruction of legal evidence and obstruction of justice et al.
“What? Like with a cloth or something?”
By the way, the crimes of Hillary et al. are proven by the Russia probe documents declassified by the real President of the United States, President Donald J. Trump.
You don’t suppose, given the 2nd full and complete acquittal and exoneration of President Donald J. Trump, the co-conspirator in the Obama Coup D’etat in America and traitor to the Constitution,
Christopher Wray, and the DOJ will jump right on the crimes proven by the declassified Russia, Russia, Russia probe documents, do ya?
The insidious, prevaricating communists (liberals, progressives, socialists, democrats, RINOs) allow justice to go against patriotic, actual Americans only, don’t they, absolving the mortal enemies of the
Constitution, America and Americans, the communists (liberals, progressives, socialists, democrats, RINOs).
Hillary used her own servers because the government servers are leaky as a sieve. See Snowden, Chelsea Manning, WikiLeaks.
Would you trust your personal, classified files to government servers?
You probably would.
The scariest thing was when John Brennan – the Director of the CIA – had his AOL email hacked by a teenager.
The director of the most sophisticated intelligence network in the world uses AOL?
Really?
Colin Powell told her to do it because he’d done it.
EB
Of course Powell did. He’s no dummy.
Anyone who trusts their secrets to government servers is an idiot.
I don’t know why Hillary didn’t just come out and say that, but she should have.
Chelsea Manning, Snowden, Wikileaks, etc.
I gather ‘Ben Marcus’ is Gainesville’s new sock-puppet.
Now he’s someone who’s learned how much you can learn arguing with mullet-headed proles who don’t know anything.
Trump supporters who were summed up perfectly by The Waco kid
https://youtu.be/ZZvT2r828QY
With the Democrats winning the American Empire is under complete control of the war lobby, the cheap labor lobby and Wall Street and Big Tech plutocrats in general. At least with Trump you could never be entirely sure what was going on. With the Democrats you had such open craziness as Hillary constantly threatening war with Russia via a no-fly zone over Syria. And you had to take her seriously since had just finished destroying Libya.
With Trump this was certain: Israel #1, military contractors/industrial complex #2, USA #3.
Why do you cling to these notions of ethics and sanity within the democratic party, Professor and others? There is none left, pun intended. It isn’t about ‘the age of rage’ it’s about dems, that ‘age’ is wholly one-sided: there are those seeking absolute imposition (dems) and those simply wanting peaceful, self-directed lives (everybody else over 35, yes, and that demographic now comprises the majority of the dem base, though ironically not others. I guess the other parties aren’t pander-y and coddling enough. 😉 They are talking to THEM, not you, you crusty old foge(s). And you can stick your facts and actual, adult ethics right up your aged behind) and it is excruciatingly apparent at this point.
It was NEVER about Trump, it was about any and all opposition to the DNC elite and its globalist allies be they Republican, Libertarian, or Independent. With Trump out and their final point proven in their eyes, they will now transition to hunting the rest of our metaphorical scalps. Just watch. It’s painful to witness any defense in the dems’ name anymore. Nobody is that stupid without trying very, very hard at it. If the Constitution is in the way, meh. They have their own facts and interpretations.
The “Speaker” and the “Leader” are “captain-general(s) of iniquity”
A tip of the hat to Edmund Burke
A dumb impeachment that only served to inflame the nation and establish the fact that the left has gone totally crazy.
Pelosi, Schumer, Schiff, AOC and other Democrats need to get down on their knees and give thanks to whatever god they give allegiance to that Republicans voted against charges. The decision averted civil war for a little longer. They need to understand that if the “insurrection” on January 6 had been a true insurrection, they’d be dead. They’re getting more rope but eventually it’s going to run out.
No if the mullet-headed insurrectionists had gotten anywhere near harming Pelosi or Schumer or Pence or AOC or any member of Congress the Secret Service would have opened fire and slaughtered them.
If there was a 21st century Civil War it would have the same outcome. The dumbass rednecks who are in the wrong would lose.
The righteous would win because the righteous are smarter.
@ben
I hate to tell you but your minority “pets” and recent immigrants won’t lift a finger to hold a finger to hold the country together by force. BTW – I’m not a “dumbass redneck” but Hispanic, thus one of your esteemed minorities; and still look forward to the breakup of this multicult cesspool.
I know, I know you’re doing a doubletake. Not sure if your are allowed to hate me or have to suck up to me.
antonio
Antonio, learn more history. Non-whites, ethnic minorities, and recent immigrants have already played important roles in holding the country together by force, such as by fighting for the US in the Civil War.
“still look forward to the breakup of this multicult cesspool.”
Just what do you want it broken up into?
He might be a traitor to his race. Shame.
@ben marcus
Are you talking to me? Hate to tell you but I really don’t need an Anglo-White, self hating, guilt ridden leftist telling me what I am allowed to think. Kind of patronizing, isn’t it? I possess something called agency and personal responsibility, something you don’t allow your minority “pets” to have.
I particularly enjoy seeing white liberals getting “bitten” by their minority “pets. Have absolutely ZERO empathy.
antonio
BRAVO!
I am hipsterallergenic so I don’t know what most of that means.
“Agency?” What is that?
“Anglo-White, self hating, guilt ridden leftist”
None of the above. My family made this country great from the 20th Century into the 21st.
Not self hating at all.
Not guilt ridden and not a leftist.
If anyone group of people I’ve seen are self-hating, it’s those who were part of the Spanish/Catholic empire.
Show me a Latin American country that isn’t a corrupt, overpopulated, screwed-up, disfunctional mess, and then I’ll show you Norway.
That’s how you do it.
Is that racist?
And I don’t judge people on race, I judge on brains and sophistication and worldliness and common sense.
@ben
I have a fairly decent knowledge of history, including American and European. Also am well educated and have a professional license in several jurisdictions. This isn’t 1860 and today’s recent immigrants with few ties to the historic American nation will not hold this country together by force. But I get it, you hate us and if it were possible, would imprison many of the 74 million who voted for Trump, “re-educate” us and take our kids in order to “save” them. At a very minimum, you’re all for doxxing and destroying us. It’s all for building a better world. Anything for the leftist utopia, right?
And as bad as you think people like me are, I’m surprised you wouldn’t be glad to be rid of us. I would certainly welcome such a sentiment.
Did you pick yourself off of the floor when you realized I am not a leftist, victim type Hispanic needing help from leftists like yourself?
antonio
Antonio, I see that you responded to Ben but not me.
Many of the Capitol Police are people of color, and they trying to hold the country together by force on Jan. 6 when they responded to the insurrectionists. Or did you not notice them? I don’t know if there are recent immigrants on the force, and I doubt you do either.
@anonymous
The January 6th event was a tragic, amateurish, cluster@@ck. But wait until a powerful state actor says “we aren’t going to tolerate illegal immigration any more, you can’t force us to give our young boys hormone blockers, or to allow biological males to destroy women’s sports, you won’t confiscate our firearms, or mock and destroy our culture any longer” etc. and see what happens.
The January 6th event was the Charlottesville of the civic nationalist MAGA movement and will be used to further clamp down, censor, de-platform and doxx those the system wishes to destroy. It will also hasten the day that ordinary, hard working Americans are going to realize it isn’t their country anymore.
The goal is secession. Maybe you’ve heard of it.
And don’t try to tell me with a straight face that if Trump had won (or been allowed to win the election), that you wouldn’t have supported antifa, BLM style “mostly peaceful” protests as part of the “resistance”. Why do you think businesses boarded up their windows?
Hate to tell you when some dindu wants to introduce you to the knockout game, flashing your good liberal card and virtue signaling will be of no use.
antonio
Antonio, you didn’t address my response.
You’ve falsely claimed that “minority [people] and recent immigrants won’t lift a finger to hold a finger to hold the country together by force,” when there are plenty of counterexamples, including the Civil War and the officers fighting off the insurrectionists on Jan. 6
“The goal is secession.”
So when you said that you “still look forward to the breakup of this multicult cesspool,” you meant a Civil War and secession? Which states do you want to secede?
Personally, I don’t want another civil war. I wouldn’t have supported a civil war if Trump had been reelected, so don’t try to tell me what I think. I don’t support other violence from the left and right. I think we need to become better at working together to come up with reasonable solutions to people’s frustrations. Non-violent change is possible.
Turley well pointed out that the only reason that makes perfect sense why Pelosi called no witnesses is because she is partly personally responsible for the 6 Jan carnage.
If you or any progressive reading this knows any other reason post it or forever hold your peace. Dem LEADERS contributed to the carnage. At least one ultra-leftist TRUMP HATER from Utah participated and was arrested and charged with felonies.
Princess (cough, cough,), Republicans threatened to subpoena “hundreds”: and take depositions in Philadelphia, thus extending the trial way into the future and with no hope of getting anymore ball-less GOP senators to vote for conviction anyway. We have a country to run.
You’re welcome.
BTW, Antonio, if you meant to respond to me (I’m the one who posted the 1:07 PM comment) and mistakenly called me Ben, then I would have appreciated your answering my question — when you say that you “still look forward to the breakup of this multicult cesspool,” just what do you want it broken up into?
Also, if you were responding to me, drop the counterproductive imaginings where you falsely claim things like “you hate us and if it were possible, would imprison many of the 74 million who voted for Trump, “re-educate” us and take our kids in order to “save” them. At a very minimum, you’re all for doxxing and destroying us” and “as bad as you think people like me are, I’m surprised you wouldn’t be glad to be rid of us.” You may prefer to believe that I’m hate-filled and advocate all sorts of illegal acts, but I’m not and don’t. I’m here trying to have a fact-based civil exchange with you. That you have different views than me need not prevent that.
I think this dude is a paranoic pot smoker. He sounds like one. Makes no sense.
Gee antonio, I get that you’re distraught about losing the election, but, you know, to quote a popular 2017 T shirt, “F… your feelings”.
No ones coming to get you or your kids, but if these hallucinations persist, seek help.
“The decision averted civil war for a little longer.”
Anyone who attempts to start a civil war is a traitor. You have a choice: ally yourself with traitors, or ally yourself with patriotic Americans.
“if the “insurrection” on January 6 had been a true insurrection, they’d be dead”
The insurrectionists were looking for Pence and Pelosi to kill them. Good thing that Secret Service kept Pence and Pelosi safe, right?
Turley pointed out the only reasonable reason Pelosi called no witnesses is because Pelosi is partly personally responsible for the carnage and 5 deaths. If they killed Pelosi it would have been a semi-suicide.
So you can’t hold Trump accountable for a violent insurrection because it would cause a violent insurrection? It is always amusing to see Trumpers threaten violence and think that it makes them look good.
To you and every god-forsaken lying scum bag progressive posting here: A DEM US AG AND THE DC PROSECUTORS ARE ALL DEMS. IF THEY DON’T CHARGE TRUMP A DEM IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT DIRELICTION OF DUTY, NOT THE GOP.
DEMS SHALL NEVER CHARGE TRUMP BECAUSE TRUMP WOULD WIN, BE VINDICATED AND THE DEMS WOULD HAVE NO DEAD HORSE TO BEAT LIKE YOU AND EVERY SINGLE PROGRESSIVE SCUM WHO LIES POSTING THAT TRUMP COMMITTED A CRIME HE POSITIVELY DID NOT COMMITT.
Princess, the AG and all US Attorney’s are acting now, with no “Democrats” in place yet.
Really, you need to take your meds.
It’s always amusing to see dims accuse trump of committing a crime, when the US AG and the DC prosecutors are all Dems who personally confirm and prove, by not charging Trump, that Trump is guilty of nothing. You think you are condemning Trump but you are either lying or confirming a Democrat is negligent in not charging Trump.
I never heard or read any say Trump should be acquitted to avoid violence. Straw man.
Haven’t charged him yet. They probably wanted to see the outcome of the impeachment.
That didn’t work, so maybe they are sharpening their knives now, no?
I hope everyone sues him.
Hunter Biden should sue Trump for defamation if his accusation of Hunter Biden taking a $3.5 million bribe isn’t true.
The family of the Capitol police officer who was killed should file a wrongful death civil suit.
The 80 million Americans who didn’t vote for Trump should file a class action lawsuit for damages from the complete lack of leadership Trump showed in fighting coronavirus.
Americans should sue Trump for every lie he told.
Etc. etc.
“Haven’t charged him yet. They probably wanted to see the outcome of the impeachment.”
Totally. It’ll be fun around here to hear them squeal as charges roll in. A lot of these people were positive trumpy bear was going to win by, like, 10 points. Some even went underground and picked new names afterward. It’ll be a similar show this time around.
Elvis
We enjoyed Jonathon’s comments on the Fox Business Network’s WSJ Report. One comment however, the basic proceeding was unconstitutional due to the lack of the Supreme Court Chief Justice. That fact alone, made the whole proceedings illegal. Various Constitutional specialists, by not calling out this deficiently loud enough, may give credibility to his lack of appearance in future impeachment proceedings because of the “precedent” set in 2021.
Second is the House’s delay, resulting in the “impeachment” of a private citizen. Either of these “issues” should have resulted in the Senate throwing out the entire case / proceedings. The Washington “hate” is endangering the entire government. We, citizens, deserve better from Washington.
“the basic proceeding was unconstitutional due to the lack of the Supreme Court Chief Justice”
The Supreme Court Chief Justice is only required to preside over the trial of “the President” (Article 1, Section 3: “When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside”). Biden is the President. Trump is a former President, and Roberts wasn’t required to preside. There was nothing unconstitutional about it.
Roberts didn’t preside over the trial of Judge Porteous in 2010 or Judge Kent in 2009. Do you think those trials were unconstitutional too?
Not to bright as Anonymous the Stupid didn’t create a good argument or a comparison that was worthwhile. Wrong comparison. Wrong argument.
Allan has no facts to counter with, only opinion.
Anonymous the Stupid you are too dumb to recognize that we are not differing on the facts. Your argument and comparison were inadequate for what was said.
I don’t expect you to understand because that would require an ability to think critically something you lack.
The absence of the CJ can not prevent the Senate from convicting a president. That would give the CJ the ability to veto any presidential impeachment just by refusing to show up. Unless you want to argue that the Senate has the power to arrest and force the CJ to preside.