There was a palpable sense of relief in Washington as the Trump trial came to a chaotic but final end. The verdict is in so now the vilification can begin. Both Majority Leader Chuck Schumer and Speaker Nancy Pelosi immediately weaponized the verdict and demonized those who voted to acquit. While the Democrats insisted that all senators should “vote their conscience” that only meant if their conscience supported their side. Pelosi denounced opposing senators as cowards while Schumer lashed out at them for holding an opposing view of the evidence or the process. While groups are targeting members on both sides of the trial, our leaders should be calling for unity and civility after the trial. Instead, they are fueling the politics of division.
CNN and other media followed suit. While McConnell denounced Trump and said that he could still be held accountable for any crimes, CNN hosts Wolf Blitzer and Dana Bash immediately followed his speech by denouncing him as hypocritical. There was nothing hypocritical in denouncing Trump’s conduct as “unconscionable” while also maintaining that the trial was unconstitutional. What Democratic members and commentators would not accept is that anyone could hold opposing views on these questions and not be a shill or coward. Welcome to unity in 2021. It remains unity on our terms or else. The “or else” was made clear to Trump’s defense counsel soon after the verdict. Attorney Michael Van der Veen’s home was vandalized. Other lawyers have faced harassment and threats after campaigns targeting them by groups like The Lincoln Project for representing Trump or Republicans.
The media quickly reinforced the rejection of any possibility that senators could have voted their conscience. CNN Reporter Abby Phillip stated as a fact that there is no real argument that a former president cannot be tried for impeachment. Thus, any vote on that basis was dishonest and craven. As with past coverage, the hosts simply ignored professors, judges, and legendary figures like Justice Joseph Story who have argued against retroactive trials. Moreover, many academics who have studied this issue (including myself) have said that it is extremely close. While we all reach conclusions, most of us have stated that people of good faith can disagree on where the default should be on the question. That however is not what CNN viewers were told. Phillip and her colleagues insisted that there is no real debate — as did the House managers. Thus, anyone voting with the view of figures like Justice Story are liars or cowards or lying cowards. You choose.
The rage expressed by such figures deflected attention from those most responsible for the loss of this trial: the House leadership. As I have previously discussed, there was no evidence of a strategy to convict as opposed to enrage in this trial. First, the House leadership used a “snap impeachment” without even a day for hearings. The House had from Jan. 6th to Jan. 20th (since there was little chance of a Senate trial before Trump left office). At a minimum, it could have held a couple days of hearings to create a record. Instead, it decided to send an article of impeachment for the first time in history without any record of a hearing, investigation, or even a chance for Trump to respond.
Second, it drafted an article of impeachment for “incitement of insurrection” – a poorly conceived article that all but guaranteed a loss. It could have crafted the article in a myriad of ways to garner broader support but House leadership wanted to accuse Trump of trying to start a rebellion against the United States. Finally, it could have called witnesses for four weeks to offer testimony on Trump’s state of mind, a dozen witnesses who could establish what Trump said and did in these critical hours. It refused to do so.
The incoherence of the House case was made plain in the final hours when lead House manager Jamie Raskin threw the trial in disarray by demanding witnesses just before closing arguments. The Senate had reportedly decided against that option but Raskin rose and, like a scene out of Perry Mason, claimed that a new witness had emerged the night before: Rep. Jaime Hererra Beutler (R-WA). Raskin breathlessly described how the House just saw news reports that Beutler had information on a phone call between Trump and House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) where Trump showed support for the rioters. The problem is that the claim did not appear to be true. Beutler’s account was public before the trial began and the McCarthy call was known to the House for over four weeks. The demand only highlighted the failure of Raskin and the House to call a single fact witness in the House for four weeks on this and other reports.
Yet, the Senate Democrats could not risk the ire of their base if they opposed the House managers. They had to follow Raskin over the cliff. In commenting live on the Raskin’s demand, I noted that he had clearly taken the senators by surprise and that these are politicians who are risk adverse and unlikely to go down the road of the unknown with Raskin. There is a reason why the House has been timid about calling witnesses who might also show that the House was warned of the prospect of violence, refused National Guard troops, and was negligent in dealing with the riot. Witnesses would also highlight the failure of the House to call such witnesses for a month. Finally, some of that testimony might not support the House’s suggestion that Trump delayed the deployment of troops or other parts of the unchallenged narrative by managers.
The result was as incoherent as Raskin’s argument. So, as expected, they reversed the vote by pretending that they were supporting the House managers. They agreed to a stipulation that was so absurd that it only lacked the requisite joke drum beat. Raskin had already described Beutler’s account on the record in his remarks. Yet, the Senate had him agree to a stipulation to again describe the call and then drop his demand. It was stipulating that a piece of hearsay that was previously discussed on the record could be stated on the record. To make even more absurd, the statement quoted Beutler as saying that she had previously discussed the call in public – directly refuting what Raskin told the Senate. Keep in mind Raskin had just claimed that this was new evidence from “last night” and that the Senate now needed to call witnesses on this “additional critical piece of corroborating evidence further confirming the charges.”
Here is what he then read to the Senate from Beutler: “I have shared these details in countless conversations with constituents and colleagues and multiple times to the media and other public forums. I told it to the Daily News of Longview on January 17th. I’ve shared it with local county Republican executive board members as well as other constituents who asked me to explain my vote. I shared it with thousands of residents on my telephone Town Hall on February 8th.” It was new evidence that she shared with thousands over weeks of public statements?
None of that matters of course because the House never showed any intention of establishing Trump’s state of mind or even prevailing in the trial. The true purpose was made manifestly clear by Schumer and Pelosi within minutes of the verdict. There would be no allowance for a good-faith vote unless it was a vote in favor their position. While the House Republicans refused to punish Rep. Lynn Cheney for her vote to impeach, Schumer and others are only willing to recognize such a vote of conscience in favor of their side. To hold an opposing view was pronounced not just by the Democratic leadership but the media as craven cowardice or virtual treason. It is precisely the type of rhetoric and false labeling by Trump that many of us denounced over the last four years. There is no room for disagreement; only patriots and traitors.
And so the age of rage will continue not because it must but because we love it.
Dear Republican Party,
You sold your soul.
You used to stand for patriotism,
but you sold your soul to a traitor
who conspired with an enemy to destroy our democracy.
You used to stand for our armed forces,
but you sold your soul to a draft-dodger
who mocked their courage and sacrifice.
You used to stand for hard-working Americans,
but you sold your soul to a con man
who made his fortune by cheating them.
You used to stand for the American Dream,
but you sold your soul to a racist
who traded the Statue of Liberty for walls and cages.
You used to stand for family values,
but you sold your soul to a predator
who betrayed all three of his wives.
And you used to stand for Jesus,
but you sold your soul to a wolf in sheep’s clothing
who makes a mockery of Christianity.
Whatever he paid you for your soul,
I hope it was worth it.
But knowing him,
you’re probably still waiting for your check.
Leslie Cain
Well said. Maybe you should be reading poetry at the inauguration and the Super Bowl and not that other chick.
So you, like most progressive dims, enjoy sham trials like the one hosted by the Dims this past week, and popular among banana republics?
What do you mean?
The Republican party are the Banana Republicans.
A mob of sackless, greedy bunglers trying to turn America into a third world kleptocracy.
But Americans are too smart for that.
At least half of America is.
Not your half you dumb prole
It’s hard to take anyone seriously who chooses to say “Dims” instead of “Democrats.”
It’s really hard to take anyone seriously whom identifies as a D卐M☭CRATziE drone in this day and age of left fascism. Are you one of those apparatchiks ?.
10+
14 x Leslie Cain = 7 x Wit
It’s an axoim.
“axiom.”
Remember it’s proper spelling and grammar that distinguish us from the Mongol races.
A lot of drivel there . Why don’t you do a ditty to how the D卐M☭CRAT party has sold out to the elite oligarchs and Chinese communist horde ?. Please enlighten us on wokeism , failed teacher unions and their indoctrination of our children . Please do enlighten us to your fake moral highground propped up by deceit , lies and oppression. C’mon …were waiting for you r jingling johnny sellout of humanity praise abortion kill whitey and anyone not down with the seig heil tyrannical anti constitutionalist
D卐M☭CRATziE party. waiting……..
How about you shut your festering gob, you tit.
How about you start snorting a finer grain of meth so you make more sense.
How about you get on home to the double wide and do the dirty dishes in the kitchen sink so your wives and children had a place to s#I+!!!
How about it???
No American should be that dumb.
You embarrass me. You embarrass yourself.
Happy Valentine’s Day?
Ha! Good laugh 🙂
I guess I agree. They aren’t cowards, not all of them, they are co-conspirators in incitement. There is no reason to expect them to accept the evidence because it would mean that they are guilty, too, and subject to criminal liability.
More dimwit lies. If Trump committed a crime, you need to impeach Pres. Biden for not charging Trump criminally, and/or the DC prosecutor. They reason they don’t charge Trump is because they’d lose and vindicate Trump.
Further, as Turley stated, Pelosi forced no testimony because such would reveal that Pelosi is personally partly responsible for the carnage.
At your next cocktail party with Hillary, tell her thanks that she and the Dims stole the nomination from Sanders, making sure Trump won and appointed 3 Supremes. Thanks a lot.
Biden has no power to charge Trump. The only people who can do that are the DOJ, or a state or DC AG. Tell Lindsey Graham to hold hearings for Garland as AG.
Also, learn that a high crime doesn’t have to be a statutory crime. Impeachments involve the former, not necessarily the latter.
I forgot that Graham has finally been replaced by Durbin. The hearings will start on the 22nd.
2016 Primary votes:
Hillary Bernie
Popular vote 16,917,853[a][1] 13,210,550[a][1]
Percentage 55.23%[a] 43.13%[a]
Hillary beat Bernie worse than she beat Trump.
He drinks too much and laughs too loud.
Too dumb to make it in no northern town.
He’s keeping the Demos down!
Thanks for providing a moniker; enabling us to immediately pass over your incoherence.
Perhaps you should try the Shakespeare thread at https://yourhomeawayfromhome@Asylum.org.
The perfect statement to describe the Democrats rage filled power grabs ,,, ” our leaders should be calling for unity and civility after the trial. Instead, they are fueling the politics of division.” When in the last 4 decades have Dems NOT fueled politics of division. It has been their only political strategy – they are disciples of Alinsky, Marx, Mao, and Stalin.
“Unity and civility” after stealing the election.
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“That dudn’t make any sense.”
– George W. Bush
You are not “highly educated”, dearie. Part of being “highly educated” is learn the ability to think clearly and reason, and you lack these things. So whatever “book learnin'” you claim to have is irrelevant to the fact that you are not “highly educated”.
“While McConnell denounced Trump and said that he could still be held accountable for any crimes, CNN hosts Wolf Blitzer and Dana Bash immediately followed his speech by denouncing him as hypocritical. There was nothing hypocritical in denouncing Trump’s conduct as “unconscionable” while also maintaining that the trial was unconstitutional.”
President Trump’s conduct was in no way “unconscionable” to begin with so there is no question of being hypocritical except by making such unfounded accusations; the fact that the trial was also unconstitutional only adds to the inexcusable behaviour both before & after the sham “trial” by hopped-up Democrats & fake news flunkies like Blitzer, who’s an Israeli mole who doesn’t speak for America.
Let’s flip the script.
Let’s say Biden or Kamala Harris or Pelosi went on CNN and MSNBC and Fox and everywhere and told repeated lies ad nauseum that Trump was solely responsible for the Capitol riot and he’s a rotten person and his election in 2016 was all a fraud.
And all that lying invective inspired a mob of pot-smoking, tattooed, patchouli-oiled BLM and Antifa rioters to raid Mar A Lago by land, sea and air, threaten to kill Trump and Melanoma and kill a couple of Secret Service agents.
Poop in the pool. Graffiti. Divot the putting green.
Would Biden/Harris/Pelosi be held responsible for stirring up that mob, even if they didn’t directly tell the rioters to raid Mar A Lago?
Would that be “unconscionable?”
Oh you betcha.
I guess you didn’t hear in the news that 2020 was one of the most violent years we’ve experienced in the past 50 years? All done by Antifa/BLM …and encouraged by Kamala, Pelosi, Maxine, Chucky, the whole gang.
Show me any instance of a responsible member of the Democratic party encouraging anyone to riot.
Show me any instance of a responsible member of the Democratic party encouraging anyone to riot.
Ben Dover,
There are no responsible members in the Democratic party, only irresponsible. If there were any responsible members, they wouldn’t have bent over for those “mostly peaceful protesters,” this past year.
Benji …are you fooking serious ?. You just went full Maxine waters retard with that .
Show me a responsible member of the Democratic party.
Obama, for starters. Rock star.
Republicans screw it up. Democrats clean it up.
The dumbest 50% of America had their ideal, vulgar, sloppy, stupid president for four years and look at the result.
Now it’s time for Biden and Team to come in and clean up the mess, just as Obama and Team did after Bush43 crapped all over the table.
There was a time when the Republicans at least made the trains run on time.
Not any more.
Everything they touch turns to shit.
Guess you haven’t noticed the mess that is the Democrat party these days?
Gov Newsom is being recalled.
Gov Cuomo is caught covering up his elder genocide death toll
Never Trump Lincoln Project is imploding as their pedo predator founding member is finally exposed
Biden’s deputy press secretary scandal ends in his resignation after only 3 weeks in office!
Dr. Fauci is being exposed as the clown he is and always has been.
Kids not back in school because Biden caves to teachers unions.
Democrat impeachment fails. Again.
Democrat impeachment managers caught fabricating evidence and lying. Again.
China is eating Joe Biden for lunch.
Both Hunter and Jimmy Biden are under federal criminal investigations.
on and on it shall go…Unity!
D卐M☭CRATz “Clean it up “…oh man…oh borhter. Couple billion in cash to muslim murderers , billions in graft disappeared in solyndra and green fake energy. selling out to Putin…man obammy is the biggest sellout…oh yeah I forgot we just got wanked with a fake prez whom is the absolute epitome by perfect definition of sellout. Awash in 48 years of grifting as a sleazy plagiarist halfwit…picked to “drive” the bus because he’s the perfect puppet for the fixed election. And to put icing on the dementia cake called the D卐M☭CRAT party a potus in their name beholden to the tech and banker wealthy elite….. ah yes a sellout so high on the foodchain… a dementia addled wanker of the highest order. What better dirty sock to put their hand in and manipulate for the free luncher and social fascist brownshirts that worship hate over freedom. Everything the dems touch…turns to yellow koolaide and shit sammiches…. and you picnic at that trough of hypocrisy while delighting in the flavor of the more animals are equal than others flavored violence in the name of socialista justice. March onward social fascists…march as you are and show the world your depravity !!!.
But but but….Obama was a Rock star! Scandal-free, too! Come on, man.
Name the scandals and I’ll shoot them down. IRS? Fast and Furious? Benghazi?
It’s all been done before, and all of it shot down.
Send it.
Let’s go back to the beginning. Barry Soetoro has always known that he will never be eligible for president. Barry’s a fraud; an imposter. Read the Constitution. Read history. A
congressman and senator need only be a “citizen” while president requires a “natural born citizen,” a higher form of citizenship. How do you imagine these categories are
differentiated?
___________
Barry Soetoro will NEVER be eligible to be U.S. president.
Barry Soetoro’s father was a foreign citizen at the time of his birth.
– A mere “citizen” could only have been President at the time of the adoption of the Constitution – not after.
– The U.S. Constitution, Article 2, Section 1, Clause 5, requires the President to be a “natural born citizen,” which, by definition in the Law of Nations, requires “parents who are citizens” at the time of birth of the candidate and that he be “…born of a father who is a citizen;…”
– Ben Franklin thanked Charles Dumas for copies of the Law of Nations which “…has been continually in the hands of the members of our Congress, now sitting,…”
– “The importance of The Law of Nations, therefore, resides both in its systematic derivation of international law from natural
law and in its compelling synthesis of the modern discourse of natural jurisprudence with the even newer language of political
economy. The features help to explain the continuing appeal of this text well into the nineteenth century among politicians,
international lawyers and political theorists of every complexion,” Law of Nations Editors Bela Kapossy and Richard Whatmore.
– The Jay/Washington letter of July, 1787, raised the presidential requirement from citizen to “natural born citizen” to place a “strong check” against foreign allegiances by the commander-in-chief.
– Every American President before Obama had two parents who were American citizens.
– The Constitution is not a dictionary and does not define words or phrases like “natural born citizen” as a dictionary, while the Law of Nations, 1758, did.
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Law of Nations, Vattel, 1758
Book 1, Ch. 19
§ 212. Citizens and natives.
“The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.”
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Ben Franklin letter December 9, 1775, thanking Charles Dumas for 3 copies of the Law of Nations:
“…I am much obliged by the kind present you have made us of your edition of Vattel. It came to us in good season, when the circumstances of a rising state make it necessary frequently to consult the law of nations. Accordingly that copy, which I kept, (after depositing one in our own public library here, and sending the other to the College of Massachusetts Bay, as you directed,) has been continually in the hands of the members of our Congress, now sitting, who are much pleased with your notes and preface, and have entertained a high and just esteem for their author…”
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To George Washington from John Jay, 25 July 1787
From John Jay
New York 25 July 1787
Dear Sir
I was this morning honored with your Excellency’s Favor of the 22d
Inst: & immediately delivered the Letter it enclosed to Commodore
Jones, who being detained by Business, did not go in the french Packet,
which sailed Yesterday.
Permit me to hint, whether it would not be wise & seasonable to
provide a strong check to the admission of Foreigners into the
administration of our national Government, and to declare expressly that the Command in chief
of the american army shall not be given to, nor devolved on, any but a natural born Citizen.
Mrs Jay is obliged by your attention, and assures You of her perfect
Esteem & Regard—with similar Sentiments the most cordial and sincere
I remain Dear Sir Your faithful Friend & Servt
John Jay
Obama was born in the U.S. He’s a natural born citizen. It’s amazing that you still believe your crap. Being a natural born citizen doesn’t require that both parents be citizens at the time of one’s birth. The Law of Nations is not a dictionary for the US Constitution. Your conspiracy theory also requires you to believe that Chief Justice Roberts broke his own oath when he swore Obama in. Get over it.
“Name the scandals and I’ll shoot them down. IRS? Fast and Furious? Benghazi?”
That’s a start. You can’t shoot them down as debunked conspiracy theories, because they were not debunked as conspiracy theories. They were egregious major scandals with major coverups. And there is a long list of others. We know the corrupt media and Big Tech does their best to hide the damaging stories about Democrats, but if you look, you’ll find them.
Tulsi Gabbard
Yes and no.
I like her because she likes to surf Rockpile which is a really good wave just the east of Bowls.
But there’s something flaky about her.
Can’t put my finger on it.
And she’s no longer in the Senate is she?
Should never be president.
There’s no way America’s will elect a mixed-breed candidate from Hawaii!
‘But there’s something flaky about her. Can’t put my finger on it.’
Hmmm. Are you projecting? Maybe look in the mirror?
Y’all better get to those dirty dishes in the kitchen sink or your 13 kids are going to make a mess
Dude, there’s something kind of stupid and nasty about you. But I can’t put my finger on it.
Stop like totally harshing on my morning mellow. Dude.
I stole that line from Dan Jenkins in 𝘚𝘦𝘮𝘪 𝘛𝘰𝘶𝘨𝘩.
It’s my favorite insult to Trump-loving proles.
No Ben, she’s never been in the Senate.
House.
You sound like Malfoy.
Haha, he does. He’s a Slytherin.
Crickets to your simple request Ben.
What do you mean by that?
That is not an answer.
You’re deep in trouble friend.
Someone Christ king of the Jews.
(If you’re a millennial you wont get this reference)
Ben, JF meant that none of the conservatives here responded to your request “Show me any instance of a responsible member of the Democratic party encouraging anyone to riot.” He’s not in trouble, you’re just quick to judge for no good reason.
Did you get the lyrical reference?
I think so. 😉
You win a cookie.
I sent an idea to Randy Rainbow to do a spoof based on 𝑇ℎ𝑖𝑠 𝐽𝑒𝑠𝑢𝑠 𝑀𝑢𝑠𝑡 𝐷𝑖𝑒 from 𝐽𝑒𝑠𝑢𝑠 𝐶ℎ𝑟𝑖𝑠𝑡 𝑆𝑢𝑝𝑒𝑟𝑠𝑡𝑎𝑟, but it’s 𝑇ℎ𝑒 𝐷𝑜𝑛𝑎𝑙𝑑 𝑀𝑢𝑠𝑡 𝐺𝑜 and where Kamala is Caiaphas.
PRIEST ONE
Good Kamala, it’s time to bust a move.
The president, and you are in the groove
KAMALA
Ah gentlemen, this fight we cannot lose
And that is why, I’m wearing running shoes.
MOB (outside)
Oh Donald! Superstar!
Oh Donald! Superstar!
Oh Donald! Superstar!
Oh Donald! Superstar!
ANNAS
Listen to that howling mob of deplorables in the street!
A sea of mullets swarming hiding educations incomplete
ALL (inside)
Donald is dangerous!
MOB (outside)
Donald Trump Superstar!
ALL (inside)
Donald is dangerous!
MOB (outside)
Tell us about the last time that you shot par!
PRIEST TWO
The Donald has come back to town to whip up his stupid base.
PRIEST THREE
Raiding government buildings and statues to deface.
ALL (inside)
Donald is dangerous!
MOB (outside)
Donald Trump Superstar!
ALL (inside)
Donald is dangerous!
PRIEST TWO
Look Kamala, they’re right outside our yard.
PRIEST THREE
Quick Kamala, go call the National Guard.
KAMALA
No, wait!
We need a more permanent solution to our problem.
ANNAS
What then to do about Donald of Florida?
Orange-faced wonder bread, hero of proles.
PRIEST THREE
He riots, he lies, he insults, he tweets.
KAMALA
One thing I’ll say for him — Donald’s a tool.
ANNAS
We dare not leave him with electronic devices.
His Tweets will inspire a complete loss of control.
PRIESTS
But how can we stop him?
His glamour increases
By leaps every moment; he’s top of the poll.
KAMALA
I see Ooompa Loompas arising
The crowd crown him king; but I’m not a fan.
I see blood and destruction,
From a big fat phony, with a fake indoor tan
A pussy-grabbing pervert, with a orangey fake tan
ALL (inside)
Orangey, orangey, an orangey fake tan.
KAMALA
We really should throw his ass into the Federal can.
ALL (inside)
Because, because, because of one, ’cause of one, ’cause of one man.
PRIEST THREE
What then to do about this Donald-mania?
ANNAS
How do we deal with a reality show king?
PRIESTS
Where do we start with a man who is vulgar
Who gold-plates his toilets as part of his bling?
KAMALA
Fools, you have no perception!
The stakes we are gambling are frighteningly high!
We must crush him completely,
So like John before him, this Jesus must die.
For the sake of the nation, this Jesus must die.
ALL (inside)
Must go must go, The Donald must go.
KAMALA
So like Tricky Dicky before him, The Donald must go.
ALL (inside)
Must go, must go, The Donald must go. So like Nixon before him, The Donald must go.
Show me any instance of Trump encouraging anyone to do anything other than protest.
Did Hitler directly tell the German people to go out and slaughter Jews and Gypsies?
I don’t think so.
Did the German people – stirred by Hitler’s rhetoric – go out and slaughter Jews and Gypsies by the millions?
Yep.
Did SENATOR Kamala Harris tell “protestors” to “never stop” and “keep going” as city blocks were burning, people and cops being assaulted, businesses looted and destroyed? Did candidate Joe Biden’s staff donate to the Bail Fund that bailed out violent “protestors”? Did Kamala Harris donate to and promote the Bail Out Fund for violent protestors?
Yes to all of the above.
That’s also called “encouraging” violence since that’s pretty much what was going on at the time. Worst riots we’ve seen in our country in 50 years and these Dems are encouraging it to continue. Billions in damages done by these “peaceful protestors.”
UNTIL….they did some polling and realized they were on the losing end of the issue and voters were turning toward Trump’s law and order pro-cop stance. Only then, did they come out and condemn it. The public opinion tide had turned against them.
You should listen to what Harris actually said –
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-kamala-harris-late-show-rio/fact-check-kamala-harris-said-she-supports-protests-not-riots-in-late-show-clip-idUSKBN27E34P
There’s nothing wrong with bailing poor people out pending trial. Rich and middle class people people bail themselves out, why should the poor remain in jail? Kyle Rittenhouse has been bailed out by conservative supporters before his murder trial. Do you object to that too? If someone is dangerous, they shouldn’t be eligible for bail, and beyond that, no one should be in jail pending trial.
Mostly peaceful “protests” they “encouraged” by bailing out violent ones that had been arrested.
Thank you. I trust Kamala Harris.
On the one hand she is accused of being too hard on criminals, and with the other, too soft.
She’s Californian, she’s smart, she’ll get it right.
She is like most Democrats, no principles.
SM
Funny you use the words ‘hard’ and ‘soft’ to describe Kammy.
Kamala is a self-described feminist who rose in California politics by offerering sex for political favors. Yep, she must have done something ‘right’. hehe.
Decades ago, maybe.
My friends who work in Washington say the entire place is an aphrodisiac.
Kamala has become Vice President on her own merits and if her past is shady, that will propel her to do right.
She must be pretty sharp to be in that position.
Tulsi 2024!
Tulsi likes to surf Rockpile so I like her on that count, but I also get a phony vibe from her.
Something is off there.
Although I just got her email from K___ S____ to ask for help presenting Nancy Pelosi with a custom-made crossword for her 80th Birthday.
But she’ll never be president.
You really think America will elect a candidate of mixed-race from Hawaii?!?!?!
No way.
“She must be pretty sharp to be in that position.”
Hahaha. Okay, if you think so. Hahaha. You do know that she bombed out of the Dem primaries in her own state, right? You know her campaign imploded before Iowa, before she even got a single vote, right? You know that she called her own running mate a ‘racsit’ and she ‘believed the women’ who accused Joe of sexual assault, right? You know she’s a phony, right? And people can sense it immediately, right?
Yep, she must be pretty sharp, all right. hahahahaha. That’s why they keep her hidden away and not doing too much talking….like Joe….because the more they talk, the more they expose themselves, and their handlers are controlling all of that big time. Newsflash for ya: Kamala is like nails on a chalkboard to the vast majority of voters in this country. The more we see and hear of her, the more unlikable she is.
Tulsi 2024!
She’s nails on a blackboard to anyone with an IQ under 120.
And that’s a lot of people.
Tulsi will never, ever be president of the United States.
1. Abraham Lincoln
While today he is remembered as one of the greatest leaders of the United States, Lincoln’s life wasn’t so easy. In his youth he went to war a captain and returned a private (if you’re not familiar with military ranks, just know that private is as low as it gets). Lincoln didn’t stop there, however. He started numerous failed businesses, went bankrupt twice, and was defeated in 26 campaigns he made for public office.
Kamala Harris
SM
That’s just a name.
Show tape.
Show proof.
Show quote.
Did Hitler directly tell the German people to go out and slaughter Jews and Gypsies?
I don’t think so.
Did the German people – stirred by Hitler’s rhetoric – go out and slaughter Jews and Gypsies by the millions?
Yep.
As far as tape, quotes, proof; if you are not familiar with what is widely available, then that would explain a lot about you.
That’s not an answer.
That’s an evasion by someone who has his head up his okole.
Since a I quoted you, I tend to agree. As far as Harris video goes, a 5th grader could find it. Go get it yourself.
This is Reuter’s explanation and it’s good enough for me.
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-kamala-harris-late-show-rio/fact-check-kamala-harris-said-she-supports-protests-not-riots-in-late-show-clip-idUSKBN27E34P
Kamala was encouraging the protest, but not the riots or the destruction.
Kamala was encouraging the protest, but said nothing in that interview about the riots or the destruction.
FIFY
Don’t give up, Ben Dover.
Worse than not familiar. He’s totally ignorant and thinks he knows what he is talking about. In politics that would be the equivalent of a drunk driver.
No I run circles around you logically.
You’re just uncomfortable with someone pointing out what a know-nothing prole you are, so eloquently.
There is no excuse for any American to be that dumb and gullible.
Are you an immigrant?
BM, you were wrong and Stupid. Now you are saying nothing. Do something useful. Drive a car drunk on a highway. That is what you are doing on this blog.
SM
You’re a waste of time.
Although I did call the fire department and the cops on a drunk driving a Range Rover down Malibu Road the other day.
He was passed-out drunk and thank God he wasn’t on PCH.
They took him away in the ambulance.
Is it possible to block individual people on this site?
You’re a boring boor.
BM, you didn’t do a very good job choosing your name. Why don’t you concentrate on your name for awhile.
Ben, do you have a PhD?
Nope, I can’t even spell it.
But I know people with PhDs who can’t barely tie their shoes.
School is boring.
I probably have a PhD-level of some things, and I have written 25 books,
Hey Ben, are you single and available?
Yes and no. No and yes. Is this Natacha? You I would like to meet.
I live in Malibu.
I hang out with movie stars.
It’s an interesting life.
She’s a phony and a liar to boot.
5:35 “They’re not gonna stop. Everyone beware. They’re not gonna stop, not before election or after the election. Nor should they.”
She was clearly talking about peaceful protest, and she condemned “those looting and committing acts of violence.”
Anonymous the Stupid, check out some other videos of Kamala and then move onto Maxine and a whole bunch of other prominent Democrats.
At what minute mark in the video did she say she condemned violence?
She didn’t. These Trump supporters are grasping at straws.
The Waco Kid summed them up perfectly: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZvT2r828QY
Their silence and failure to loudly condemn ANY violence is also a problem for them.
Trick question: There are no “responsible” Democrats.
Wrong.
Republicans screw it up. Democrats clean it up.
Obama and team came in and cleaned up the many-headed Hydra of a mess left behind by Bush 43: The Great Recession. Which wasn’t so great.
Two stupid costly wasteful pointless wars of revenge in Iraq and Afghanistan.
A collapsing American banking system at risk of collapsing the worldwide banking system.
The American Auto industry on the verge of going under.
Obama and team came in and fixed it all.
Very quickly.
They set the table and then Trump came in and s*** all over the table and created an even bigger mess in Bush 43.
No one thought that was possible but Trump did it.
And now Biden team have to come in and clean up that mess.
You’re an idiot.
You embarrass me. You embarrass yourself.
Take the Red pill. Get it over with. You can do it.
Have humans always been this stupid.?
Or has social media just allowed people to expose their stupidity?
Did you know Chemtrails are a government conspiracy designed to make Americans so gullible and dumb they actually believe Chemtrails are a government conspiracy?
Did you know you are being lied to?
Did you hear that a Capitol police officer was “murdered” and “bludgeoned to death” with a fire extinguisher?
Yep, The New York Times ‘reported’ that Trump “loyalists” killed Officer Sicknick with a fire extinguisher.
Only it’s not true. But that was the ‘story’ being spread all over the ‘news’ before and during the impeachment trial.
It was a lie. And they knew it. Now, the NYT has quietly corrected/retracted their reporting on the story.
See if you can find the truth out there. Somewhere.
Also, just fyi….you will see the New York Times call it an “update” to their reporting on Officer Sicknick.
That’s another lie. It’s not an “update” when a newspaper admits its original account is untrue. That’s called a ‘retraction.’
Whatever.
Retractions happen all the time.
They don’t always get it right at first.
They got additional information so they changed the story.
Big deal.
Actually, it is a very big deal.
President Biden has repeated this Big Lie in his statements from the White House. This Big Lie was put forth by the House managers in their impeachment trial. This Big Lie is already out there in the minds of the public. This is now what much of the public believe is true. The Big Lie will now quietly be retracted. Mission accomplished. Rinse and repeat.
You’re wasting your time – guy’s an idiot. Go on offense.
President Donald J. Trump is tanned, rested and ready.
He’s baaaaaaaack!!!
Make America Great Again!
Send in those campaign contributions.
Let’s get this party started!
First up: RINOs to be primaried.
Yeah, Dumbass. America is really great right now, isn’t it, with Trump gone less than a month? Schools and churches closed. Approaching 500,000 Americans dead from COVID. Unemployment around 10%. Trade war with China and tariffs backfiring badly. Restaurants and bars closed. Evictions and foreclosures on hold indefinitely. Vaccines in short supply with only 3 months of predicted effectiveness, and maybe not even that if the variants take over. The national debt at a record level. Five people dead following a riot at our Capitol fomented by a lying narcissist who lost an election and went on a rampage of deceit about nonexistent fraud, 60+ failed lawsuits, “Stop the Steal” rallies, and nonstop lying. How much failure does it take to faze you Trump fans? That is truly a rhetorical question, because you are disciples of a con man–former television host–a cult of personality dedicated to someone who is a pathological liar, someone who lives for self-gratification in the form of adulation of stupid people like you and abuse of power. Someone who cheated to get into office and tried to cheat to stay in office. The unifying thread of this cult–resentment over the success of Barak Obama and resentment of successful women, especially women of color, by non college educated whites.
No, your fat slob hero is NOT baaaaaack! The indictments are just getting started, not a party. He was caught red-handed committing election fraud in Georgia. How ironic that there is irrefutable proof that Trump is the one committing election fraud. New York is gearing up, too.
And natty your hero …captain dementia , aka Lord darth biden of china….. masks…oh yes now double , quadrouple masks for all for the forseeable future , and walls & fences for DC…but fook the border let’em all bum rush us. You are the biggest toad in the sandbox , espousing your social fascist bunk !. Teacher unions getting paid and yet refusing to go to work…but doing “interpretive dance videos”…to explain…ah what exactly ?. Take your Trotskyite vomit and go to the basement where it belongs while your dementia addled sellout to china rambles on incoherently …America is not first to that gray ghost…nor people like you that worship false senile gods and party’s that delight in making babies into puree and think men in women’s sports is just so biologically AOK. What the hell do you people smoke to be so obtuse and detached form humanity ?.
You need to use better-quality meth.
It’s effecting your typing.
Uh dipshit–teachers ARE teaching–it’s called online or e-learning. They’re worried about non vaccinated kids spreading the virus to them and then teachers take it home to their families.
Natacha you are the voice of reason. Thank you.
McConnell is the consummate politician.
McConnell plays both sides; always has, of necessity.
McConnell is probably on the phone to President Donald J. Trump right now.
You are a total piece of work, Turley, a prime example of why people hate lawyers. Fmr. Senator Claire McCaskill stated after the “verdict” that you are the one who met with a group of Senators and came up with a cover strategy to Republicans so they could have it both ways–to acquit the worst excuse for a human being who ever occupied the people’s White House– by using the lame excuse that they didn’t think the process was constitutional. Despite previously opining that impeachment after leaving office was perfectly constitutional, once you went on the GOP payroll, you did a 180 switch, so the fat slob claims “victory”. A plurality of Senators voted against the slob, and it’s only because a 2/3 majority was necessary that he gets away with his crimes. He gets away with lying, causing the death of 5 people, inciting a riot and trampling on American values. And, McConnell’s little speech was also a total piece of work—I wonder–did that come from your fevered, purchased brain, too? Yes, now all of a sudden, after the Trump Insurrection, McConnell agrees that the election was NOT stolen, that Trump lost fair and square, that Trump lied, and that Trump’s lies incited a riot, all because he cannot handle losing. This speech was calculated to keep those donations coming in–to stop the big corporations from pulling their support from Republicans who let this criminal get away with his crimes and ignored their oath of office. The cowardly Republicans who wouldn’t stand up for American decency get to keep the support of the deplorables. The world looks at us in stunned disbelief–how in the hell could anyone who swore to defend the Constitution allow Trump to get away with inciting a riot by lying about the election being fraudulent on a questionable technicality dreamed up by a paid political pundit who previously held a diametrically-opposite opinion?
And now, today, Turley goes after those who criticize Republicans who employed his strategy. What you’re really doing, Turley, is defending yourself. YOU are the one who is craven, Turley, and you have helped resuscitate a monster. Your arguments about failing to prove Trump’s state of mind and the existence of a good-faith controversy about the constitutionality of post-office impeachment are total bull, and you know it. You used your legal talents, if any, to help an election cheater get away with causing the deaths of 5 people, and to provide cover for cowardly unpatriotic Republicans to let him off the hook, but keep the support of his disciples. What you did is repugnant. If any more people die because of Trump, their blood will be on your hands.
Natacha — here is a catchy little song to lift your spirits.
Emotion: If any more people die because of Trump, their blood will be on your hands.
Democrats don’t care a wit about anyone’s death, blood, nor life. They use people for their political aggrandizement
Facts: Democrats embrace the termination of life
Facts: Democrats support decapitating newborn babies after delivery
Virginia Governor Ralph Northam: If a mother is in labor, I can tell you exactly what would happen. The infant would be delivered. The infant would be kept comfortable. The infant would be resuscitated if that’s what the mother and the family desired, and then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother.”
Facts: The Cuomo Covid Coverup – WSJ
Three months ago New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo was awarded an Emmy for “his leadership during the Covid-19 pandemic and his masterful use of TV to inform and calm people around the world.” Turns out the Emmys had the right actor—but the wrong performance. Increasingly it looks like Mr. Cuomo’s real act was to keep people from finding out how many people in his state’s nursing homes died from Covid-19.
On Thursday the New York Post reported that Melissa DeRosa, the Governor’s top aide, admitted to Democratic leaders that the state had deliberately kept the true numbers from them. In a Wednesday conference call, Ms. DeRosa told Democrats the Cuomo administration rejected a legislative request for the figures last August because Donald Trump was tweeting that “we killed everyone in nursing homes” and was directing “the Department of Justice to do an investigation into us.”
As Ms. DeRosa put it, “Basically, we froze.” The administration wasn’t sure, she said, if any information it released to state lawmakers or the Department of Justice “was going to be used against us” or “if there was going to be an investigation.”
Nursing home deaths are a sensitive issue for Mr. Cuomo because of a March 25 health department directive that barred these homes from rejecting people because they had Covid-19. The Associated Press reports that 9,056 recovering patients were sent into nursing homes after the directive, more than 40% higher than what the state had previously reported.
In January state Attorney General Letitia James released a report on an investigation into complaints about how the nursing homes handled Covid-19. Two findings stand out. First, that “a larger number of nursing home residents died from COVID-19 than” the official data reflected. Second, that the March 25 directive “requiring the admission of COVID-19 patients into nursing homes may have put residents at increased risk of harm in some facilities and may have obscured the data available to assess that risk.”
Perhaps many decisions that look bad today were made in good faith at the time. But coming as it does after the attorney general’s report, Ms. DeRosa’s admission that the Cuomo administration hid nursing home deaths smacks of a coverup. Meanwhile, the people of New York, especially those who lost loved ones in nursing homes to the pandemic, still lack an honest accounting of what went wrong and why.
Mr. Cuomo dominates New York state politics, and he dismisses critics and punishes opponents without challenge. Republicans are a rump minority in the Legislature in what has become a one-party state, like California and Illinois.
That leaves the task of accountability to others. The questions now are whether Democrats in Albany have what it takes to do their jobs and hold hearings on the coverup, whether state and federal prosecutors will investigate and prosecute if called for, and whether the media that so cheered Mr. Cuomo through his Covid-19 press conferences will hold him to the same standard they held Mr. Trump?
“Facts: Democrats embrace the termination of life”
Lots of things are alive, Estovir. Both Democrats and Republicans embrace the termination of some life (for example, of the living things we eat) and not other life (for example, of most people).
“Facts: Democrats support decapitating newborn babies after delivery”
BS.
If you’re going to quote Northam, you should quote the context too. He was asked about proposed legislation and the part you quoted is about the delivery of newborn when the fetus isn’t viable. Current law in VA says that “it is legal to terminate a pregnancy after the second trimester when its continuation is ‘likely to result in the death of the woman or substantially and irremediably impair the mental or physical health of the woman.’ Virginia law also states the operation needs to be done in a hospital, that three physicians have to certify the operation and that ‘measures for life support for the product of such abortion or miscarriage must be available and utilized if there is any clear evidence of viability.’ … Tran’s bill ‘would have required only one doctor. It would also have removed language requiring that the danger to the mother be ‘substantial and irremediable.’” (https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-virginia-gov-abortion/fact-check-virginia-governors-2019-comments-about-abortion-bill-are-missing-context-idUSKBN27D2HL)
A reporter asked: “[Tran] was pressed by a Republican delegate about whether her bill would permit an abortion even as a woman is essentially dilating, ready to give birth, and she answered that it would permit an abortion at that stage of labor. Do you support her measure and explain her answer?”
Northam’s response: “You know, I wasn’t there, Julie, and I certainly can’t speak for Delegate Tran, but I would tell you: one, the first thing I would say is this is why decisions such as this should be made by providers, physicians, and the mothers and fathers that are involved. There are, you know, when we talk about third-trimester abortions, these are done with the consent of, obviously, the mother, with the consent of the physicians, more than one physician by the way. And it’s done in cases where there may be severe deformities, there may be a fetus that’s non-viable. So in this particular example, if a mother is in labor, I can tell you exactly what would happen. The infant would be delivered, the infant would be kept comfortable, the infant would be resuscitated if that’s what the mother and the family desired, and then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother. So I think this was really blown out of proportion.”
You should take the Commandment against bearing false witness more seriously.
For the record, Northam does not speak for all Democrats.
Cuomo and Trump should both be held to high standards. I welcome investigations of both of them. Do you?
Per Kaiser US blacks account for 40% of US abortions while they are <15% of the population. IS 40% THE RIGHT # OR SHOULD THAT NUMBER IDEALLY BE HIGHER OR LOWER?
If you don't reply Commit you are a coward, and certainly dishonest, not honest.
Princess, I don’t care what you think of me.
There is no “right” percentage for abortion. It’s a personal choice, and given the uneven distribution of other factors (such as poverty), it makes no sense to focus solely on race in assessing it. If poor women weren’t disproportionately Black and if Black women got better healthcare, my guess is that Black women would account for fewer abortions.
I’d rather decrease the number of women who have unintended and unwanted pregnancies to begin with. I wish more sexually active women chose the most reliable forms of birth control and used them consistently. I wish that fewer men chose to rape. I wish that poor women (who are more likely to be women of color) had better health care, so that they encountered fewer medical problems that might prompt them to choose abortion. I wish people were paid a living wage, so that finances weren’t a key factor for so many women in deciding whether to have an abortion. Etc.
Kaiser has a non-profit Health Sciences arm, which published that black women account for 40% of US abortions.
I demand the loud mouth DEM. Progressives here to answer this Q: is 40% just right, or should the ratio be HIGHER or LOWER? If you won’t reply, that proves you are a coward.
Why do you care about other women choosing to terminate their pregnancies–what business is it of yours, much less the race of these women? It’s not a matter cowardice. The SCOTUS held that there is a right to privacy in reproductive matters, including the choice to terminate, so why are you obsessing about what other women choose? If you don’t want an abortion, then don’t get one, but keep your nose out of other people’s reproductive business.
LMAO. I “demand” that you stop posting insults like “Dims.” If you won’t, that proves that you’re childish.
NUTCHACHA, the Israelites were out of Egypt before the ink was dry on their release papers. They refused to stay where they derived so much unhappiness. Why do you persist in a place you hate so much and which, according to you, hates you? It’s a big world. Why not pro actively site yourself in happiness as the Israelites did? Do you love to hate so much you can’t tear yourself away? It is true, the Israelites had intelligence, acumen and gumption, oh, and leadership sufficient to the task.
NUTCHACHA is a twisted, compulsively parasitic freak, in my humble opinion.
Anti-American and wholly unconstitutional generational welfare and affirmative action privilege…
Don’t Leave Home Without It!
the death of five patriots – including the cold blooded murder of Ashli Babbitt – at the mostly peaceful protest on 6 January was caused by the same criminal cowards who stole the election & have caused millions of other casualties around the world: the cowardly, unpatriotic members of congress in that Capitol building, like Schumer & Pelosi & a few Republican traitors & their repugnant disciples like you, who President Trump tried to save us from!
Ref: Ashli Babbitt.
Where is that cop, FBI agent or security person? He must be proud. Take a picture. Put it on his wall. Show it to his grand kids. “I killed an unarmed girl who only meant to break a couple windows and rant and rave about the stolen election,” he’d say. A lot of people think elections should not be stolen. Guy wants a medal as if he were at Gettysburg, Omaha Beach, Iwo Jima or Hacksaw Ridge. The guy might have correctly assessed the situation in real time and apprehended the Antifa and BLM false-flag agitators. No, that’s way too much to expect from highly compensated operatives of the Deep Deep State.
Ashlui Babbit should not have been where she was. She was raiding the nation’s capitol and breaking windows and threatening members of the United States government.
She got shot, and it’s amazing the Capitol police showed that restraint and didn’t kill a whole lot more idiot rioters who needed killing.
The deplorable mullet-heads should consider themselves lucky they didn’t get within harm’s reach of Pence or Pelosi or any member of government because the Secret Service would have given a warning and then opened fire and there would be dozens of dead deplorables.
Ashli Babbit is responsible for her own death.
Again, I quote Bob Dylan: “The moral to this story. The moral to this song. Is that one should never be, where one does not belong.”
“Where is that cop, FBI agent or security person?”
He’s a Capitol Police officer, he’s been on leave during the investigation, and the last report I saw is that investigators recommend he not be charged, as he was protecting the Representatives and staff who were still on the House floor when Babbitt attempted to climb into the Speaker’s Lobby.
“Guy wants a medal”
Nope.
“The guy might have correctly assessed the situation in real time”
He did. She was trying to climb into the Speaker’s Lobby the Representatives and staff who were still on the House floor.
https://www.bellingcat.com/news/2021/01/08/the-journey-of-ashli-babbitt/
Uh, no. After trespassing and assisting in the assault and battery of Capitol Police to try to get to Pence and members of Congress, Babbitt intended to assist in abducting, intimidating and potentially killing Pence and Democratic members of Congress unless they went along with denying the will of the American people. Her compatriots were armed with stun guns and zip ties. She could do her ranting and raving outside if that was why she was there, and she was motivated to invade the Capitol by Trump’s lie. There were no ANTIFA present, either–another Republican lie. BLM is a sentiment, not an organized group like the Proud Boys or Oath Keepers, and they weren’t present, either. If she and her compatriots were black, you’d be upset if they hadn’t been attacked with machine guns.
This Natacha says it is a lawyer, and yet does it presume that it is not hated as well?
+100
EB
Lay off the yellow dog koolaide natty…it really shows when you drink too much of it.
Tell me, Trumpster A-holes–were the facts disputed by Trump’s team? Were they? Did they try to deny that he LIED about election fraud despite losing 60+ lawsuits, despite 50 states certifying the results after multiple recounts and challenges, that he tried to bully Brad Raffensberger, the GA Attorney General and Governor into awarding him votes that didn’t exist, that he tried to bully Pence into refusing to accept the certified vote totals, that he fired both Barr and Krebs for refusing to feed into the lie about nonexistent voter fraud, and that he went on “Stop the Steal” tours? Most importantly, did they refute, with evidence, the fact that the disciples were motived by Trump’s lies to try to stop the certified vote totals from being counted? I didn’t hear any dispute as to these facts, but what I did hear was a lot of “whataboutism”, none of which excused Trump’s lying and trying to cheat his way back into the office he cheated to get into in the first place or for inciting a riot by telling the disciples to “fight like hell”, because if they didn’t, they wouldn’t have a country any more. Imagine that! A fat slob draft dodger who cheated to get into office with the help of a hostile foreign government, pandering to patriotism. Even worse, it worked!
So, if the Senators were not asked to resolve disputed versions of fact, then why did they vote to allow him to get away with inciting a riot? Because they wanted a means to have it both ways–don’t piss off the deplorables, but pretend to care about America and her values. Turley fed them a cover story–that the process was unconstitutional if Trump wasn’t in office at the time of trial–after McConnell artificially created a situation in which Trump wouldn’t get tried until after he left office. That way, they’re not really letting Trump of the hook for lying and inciting a riot–they’re upholding the Constitution. They keep the support of the faithful dumbasses like you, and maybe keep getting corporate donations. Never mind the optics. Never mind the lying or the fact that it led to the desecration of our Capitol. Staying in power is all that matters to Republicans, which is why they keep losing the support of the majority of the American people. They wouldn’t have had a majority prior to 2020 but for gerrymandering. Of course, to pull this off, Turley had to try to tap-dance his way past the fact that he previously opined that it was perfectly constitutional to try someone no longer holding federal office, like it had been done multiple times before.
Contrast Schumer / Pelosi with Abraham Lincoln 2nd Inaugural speech, 1865
With malice toward none; with charity for all; with firmness in the right, as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in; to bind up the nation’s wounds; to care for him who shall have borne the battle, and for his widow, and his orphan—to do all which may achieve and cherish a just, and a lasting peace, among ourselves, and with all nations.
Original manuscript of second Inaugeral presented to Major John Hay. A. LINCOLN
April 10. 1865
https://quod.lib.umich.edu/l/lincoln/lincoln8/1:711?rgn=div1;view=fulltext
I can see why you don’t include McConnell and McCarthy in your comparison.
The absence of Chief Justice John Robert’s should tell it all and he wasn’t sick with the virus last week. It’s not over ladies the left needs a Bogeyman to distract attention from the real issues.
@margot
Chief Justice John Robert’s is a secret “nazi” too. Didn’t you know that? Bet you didn’t know the man who beat Hitler, the 34th President of the United States, Dwight Eisenhower was also a “nazi” Kept a picture of Robert E. Lee in his office and praised him for his virtues.
antonio
And your point is?
“While the House Republicans refused to punish Rep. Lynn Cheney for her vote to impeach, Schumer and others are only willing to recognize such a vote of conscience in favor of their side. To hold an opposing view was pronounced not just by the Democratic leadership but the media as craven cowardice or virtual treason. It is precisely the type of rhetoric and false labeling by Trump that many of us denounced over the last four years. There is no room for disagreement; only patriots and traitors.”
Do not blame Trump.
The poisonous atmosphere that pervades the country was not his doing; it was the creation of the “Resistance” and the media who lied, misrepresented, and supported the efforts of the members of the Resistance to overturn the results of the 2016 election and assure that the results of the 2020 election were not questioned.
I have watched hard-fought elections since 1960, I have suffered through administrations whose politices I considered less than wise, and I have participated in peaceful demonstrations, but through it there was always some common ground where those on opposite sides of the aisle could meet. If nothing else, both parties supported the basic documents and institutions of the country because they undestood that respecting those documents and institutions, whether the Constitution or due process and the assumption of innocence until guilt was proven in a court of law, had enabled the country to get through crises and periods of political and social instability.
For all their differences, both parties assumed the role of loyal opposition when out of power, not of unhinged fanatics.
No longer. Now the First Amendment is optional, the Supreme Court should be packed, and reality is whatever your favorite ideologue declares it to be.
Do not blame Trump. He was merely the canary in a coal mine in which noxious fumes had been accumlating for a long time.
Trump is not a canary in a coal mine. He is the biggest emitter of those noxious fumes
@anonymous
Trump was a flawed man with horrible political skills. I never viewed Trump as leftists viewed Barack Hussein Obama (i.e. The Messiah) but wait until you have someone on the scene with similar ideas but possessing the requisite political skills.
TRUMP IS ONLY THE BEGINNING and didn’t cause the divisions in the country any more than Obama did. Only revealed what was already there.
Sorry, we aren’t going back to being “beautiful losers” of the McCain – Romney, Conservatism Inc. era.
antonio
Trump’s the one who said “I am the Chosen One,” not Obama. I don’t know anyone on the left who has ever thought of Obama as a messiah.
Trump and Obama didn’t create the divisions, but Trump exacerbated them more than any other President, including Obama, though Obama isn’t far behind –
https://news.gallup.com/poll/283910/trump-third-year-sets-new-standard-party-polarization.aspx
Obama didn’t create divisions with his actions, he just divided people who don’t like black people.
Obama was a calming influence, and people liked him – unless you were a hopeless n****r hater.
Trump was the divider. Consciously. He spewed hate every chance he got.
Trump was like the Stay Puft MArshmallow Man from Ghost Busters: all the angry, evil, dumbass energy running under America congealed into a big, soft monster who destroyed everything in its path.
antoni, you can be whatever kind of loser you want to be, but almost certainly you will continue to be a loser. The GOP has lost the vote in 7 of the last 8 elections and the one they won was an incumbent who shouldn’t have been an incumbent.
The word “oath” appears 3 times before the amendments in the Constitution.
The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation.
(Presidents and Congress are take a required oath to support the Constitution.)
This was written when oaths had meaning. Personal honor was at stake. In that day a gentleman’s honor was important socially. One lie under oath meant that a person would never be trusted. No one would do business with him except by written contract enforceable in court. If a bachelor no one would approve a marriage. He would not be allowed to be an officer in any militia — they were required to be gentlemen.
Today impeachment is a political process. A matter of political party having nothing to do with facts at issue.
Please keep this between you and I but I wrote a story for Laura Ingraham’s Lifezette about how, if Cruz and Trump had insulted each other 200 years ago the way they did four years ago, they would have been forced to fight a duel.
Pretty interesting, including the Code Duello which is an Irish code that details how duels should be fought.
Think Trump would have shown up? Doubt it.
This is the long version: http://www.benmarcusrules.com/blog/2016/3/31/long-version-of-the-trump-v-cruz-dueling-story
Please keep this between you and I (sic) ….
What little chance existed in our reading anything you have written anywhere was thwarted by your flagrant misuse of basic English grammar.
Carry on
Whatever, you wouldn’t get it anyway.
There are several three-syllable words.
We know many if not most Democratic elected politicians are physical cowards. They would end up poorly if we brought back duels.
In fact many of them are what we used to call “sissies.” You know what that is, right?