“No Further Action Will Be Taken”: Officer Who Fatally Shot Ashli Babbitt Cleared of Any Wrongdoing By Capitol Police

Ashli Babbitt (Twitter)

Yesterday I wrote a column in the Hill about the FBI reportedly finding no evidence a planned insurrection at the Capitol on January 6th. In a related story, the Capitol Police has now entirely cleared the still unnamed officer who shot and killed Ashli Babbitt despite her being unarmed.  The decision was marked by the same lack of information that characterized an earlier decision from the Justice Department. There is little media coverage of the obvious disconnect in the handling of this shooting and other uses of force against protesters in recent riots. Even law professors are largely silent on the implications of a finding that the shooting of an unarmed protester is justified.  Babbitt seems to be treated as “fair game” because she was part of the January 6th riot.

Babbitt, an Air Force veteran, was a decorated security forces controller who served multiple Middle East tours from 2004 to 2016

A memo from the commander of the Capitol Police’s Office of Personal Responsibility simply says “no further action will be taken in this matter” after the officer was exonerated for use of force. However, there are very troubling questions about the shooting, as previously discussed.

Not only was there no claim that Babbitt was believed to be armed, but there were officers directly behind her and in front of her at the time. As I noted earlier, if the officer intended to shoot Babbitt, it would not likely meet the standard for a justified shooting under governing cases like Tennessee v. Garner (1985). If the officer fired blindly or wildly, it would appear to have many of the same negligent elements as the Wright shooting.

I was highly critical of the maddening findings of the Justice Department in the case. In rejecting charges, the Justice Department statement notably does not say that the shooting was clearly justified. Instead, it noted that “prosecutors would have to prove not only that the officer used force that was constitutionally unreasonable, but that the officer did so ‘willfully.’”  It stressed that this element requires a showing of “a bad purpose to disregard the law” and that “evidence that an officer acted out of fear, mistake, panic, misperception, negligence, or even poor judgment cannot establish the high level of intent.”

Violent riots are unfortunately common today in cities ranging from Minneapolis to Portland to Washington. The use of live rounds however have never been authorized absent a particularized showing of a significant threat to an officer or others. Nothing in the announcement in the Babbitt case answers how such a showing was made by the officer. Will the media support local police using live ammunition to break up the next violent riot? We have seen protests turned into riots repeatedly in the last few years, including racial justice protesters taking over police stations and city hall buildings. Officers did not use live rounds when protesters broke through doors of police stations or a city hall. They did not use live fire when protesters were breaking through windows and barriers to burn down police buildings. Will the Babbitt standard now apply?

Reasonable people could disagree on the shooting. I fail to see the justified basis under controlling legal standards but I may have the bias of a criminal defense attorney. What I object to is the absence of specificity in the facts and answers to satisfy the standards under cases like Tennessee v. Garner. Instead there is a conspicuous use of conclusory analysis to dismiss the allegations. There is also the general lack of interest in the media and in academia on the implications of these decisions to clear the unnamed officer.

260 thoughts on ““No Further Action Will Be Taken”: Officer Who Fatally Shot Ashli Babbitt Cleared of Any Wrongdoing By Capitol Police”

  1. Michael Byrd, the officer who shot Ashli Babbitt, was interviewed on NBC last night:
    nbcnews.com/news/us-news/officer-who-shot-ashli-babbitt-during-capitol-riot-breaks-silence-n1277736

    For everyone who has been calling for his name (which was already circulating online), now you have confirmation of his name.

  2. USCP Completes Internal Investigation into the January 6 Officer-Involved Shooting
    August 23, 2021
    Press Release

    After interviewing multiple witnesses and reviewing all the available evidence, including video and radio calls, the United States Capitol Police has completed the internal investigation into the fatal shooting of Ms. Ashli Babbitt, which occurred in the Speaker’s Lobby on January 6.

    USCP’s Office of Professional Responsibility (OPR) determined the officer’s conduct was lawful and within Department policy, which says an officer may use deadly force only when the officer reasonably believes that action is in the defense of human life, including the officer’s own life, or in the defense of any person in immediate danger of serious physical injury.

    The officer in this case, who is not being identified for the officer’s safety, will not be facing internal discipline.

    This officer and the officer’s family have been the subject of numerous credible and specific threats for actions that were taken as part of the job of all our officers: defending the Congress, Members, staff and the democratic process.

    The actions of the officer in this case potentially saved Members and staff from serious injury and possible death from a large crowd of rioters who forced their way into the U.S. Capitol and to the House Chamber where Members and staff were steps away. USCP Officers had barricaded the Speaker’s Lobby with furniture before a rioter shattered the glass door. If the doors were breached, the rioters would have immediate access to the House Chambers. The officer’s actions were consistent with the officer’s training and USCP policies and procedures.

    On April 14, the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the District of Columbia announced it would not pursue criminal charges based on insufficient evidence. The case was investigated by the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the District of Columbia and the Metropolitan Police Department. The administrative investigation was launched after the criminal investigation was closed.

    uscp.gov/media-center/press-releases/uscp-completes-internal-investigation-january-6-officer-involved

  3. The issue is transparency. There is a large part of the country that has lost faith in government institutions. Government needs to be transparent about how they reached this conclusion instead of saying trust us. Are large part of the country doesn’t and this lack of transparency does not foster trust.

  4. Why don’t we just run the mental exercise of flipping the races here.

    What if Ashli Babbitt were black and Capital Police Lt. Michael L. Byrd were white? Does any non-TDS afflicted observer out there think for even one second that this sad tale would not have taken a vastly different direction if a white Capital Police officer intentionally shot and killed an unarmed black female protester?

    Add one more flip, just as a mental exercise. Imagine the fallout if the political majorities in the House and Senate were reversed such that the Republicans wre in charge of both sides of the Capital and their white Capital Police officer shot and killed an unarmed black female protester. Does anyone with a mental capability even half that of The Big Guy occupying the White House think events might have evolved just a little bit differently?

    If this had gone down with the victim/cop races and Congressional Majority political partys reversed, I would bet my bottom dollar that the Capital along with large parts of DC would still be burning, even after more than eight months.

    1. Thank you Dilbert, I thought the same thing. Now after watching Michael Byrd’s interview on NBC officer Byrd admits, on his own, he couldn’t see Ashli Babbitt’s hands, a backpack or what her intentions were. Earlier in the interview he said she was climbing thru a window with her hands an seen in the circulating video of him shooting her. Seems officer Byrd lied in his NBC interview, of course Holt let it slide but I’m sure Babbit’s widower and attorney caught it. Clearly officer Byrd was let off, NOT bc he’s innocent, but bc he’s a black man who shot a ‘Trump supporter’. The Marxist running the DOJ now aren’t interested in the ‘rule of law’ but rather applying their ideological politics to those whom they hate!

  5. On a positive note for President Biden, the disaster in Afghanistan has taken Hunter’s video with the prostitute and the Biden family corruption crisis out of the news.

  6. TURLEY INSULTS OUR INTELLIGENCE

    In column above Turley writes:

    “Not only was there no claim that Babbitt was believed to be armed, but there were officers directly behind her and in front of her at the time”.
    …………………………………………………………………….

    This part begs the question: “Why was Babbitt so bold? With cops standing right behind her, she attempts to enter a broken window. To a safe room housing besieged congress people.

    Ashley Babbitt was bold because fellow rioters greatly outnumbered cops. Had officers tried to sieze Babbitt, sucker punches may have flown. Yet Turley fails to note; pretending as though Babbitt was alone.

    Babbitt was attempting to spearhead an assault on Congressional personnel. That has never happened before! Babbitt wasn’t looting a retailer. Only a cynic would make that comparison.

    The Capitol Officer who shot Babbitt had one second to decide. ‘Should he allow Babbitt to enter and open the door behind her?’ If so, a hostage situation would quickly unfold.

    Does this officer want to go down in history as having surrendered Congressional personnel to an angry mob? No self-respecting cop (or soldier) wants that distinction!

    Conservatives should sympathize with this cop. He had one second to make a life and death decision. Imagine the angst: ‘Kill a woman or surrender to a mob’.

    Professor Turley tells us Babbitt wasn’t armed. But nowhere does Turley explain how the cops knew that. The cop inside had no idea what the mob was packing.

    Turley insults us by pretending the cops faced no genuine danger. 146 officers were wounded that day. Mobs were chanting they would hang Mike Pence. Their violence towards cops made that threat credible.

    Ashley Babbitt was deluded by Q’Anon conspiracies. Which made her betray the country she had served. Babbitt died a traitor storming the capitol. To stop certification of a United States election.

    The officer who shot Babbitt deserves our sympathy. But releasing his name would mark him for death. That officer would have to take refuge in Witness Protection. Yet Turley pretends he has nothing to fear.

    1. The assumption was that once the officers would follow policy and procedure that govern all people’s right to us of lethal force. The officer choice was to murder an unarmed women, a fraction of his mass, without immediate, imminent, probable, or even plausible cause. The riot was precipitated by Pelos, Schumer et al who denied executive offer to carry out crowd control, and an officer who acted with a depraved state of mind to casually murder an unarmed women who posed no threat to him or anyone else. The agitators were organized (e.g. Some, Select [Black] Lives Matter), and after Whitmer-gate, it can be safely assume that there was collusion with authorities to entrap people.. persons, followed by media misinformation, and journolistic handmade tales to steer public opinion. After more than 16 trimesters of Democrats carrying out witch hunts, warlock trials, and violent and invasive incursions, insurrections, and occupations across the nation, the people at the capitol were notable peaceful and compliant, until the unarmed women was murdered, and the rug pulled out from those assembled.

      That said, given the officer’s choice and the Democrat apologies, their precedent for self-defense now follows the abortionists’ rites that to include sacrificing human life for social and profitable causes.

      1. We all know Trump is delusional, but what I don’t understand is how or why his disciples share in his delusionary mental illness. The “riot” was precipitated by the Big Lie–one “Stop the Steal” rally after another, telling the delusional faithful that their vote was stolen from them–and this is not only without any evidence, but despite mountains of evidence to the contrary, which Trump won’t accept because he is mentally ill with narcissism, but what about his followers? What’s their excuse? Gullibility?

        Ashli Babbitt and her compatriots had no right to be in the Capitol Building in the first place–she had already broken past Capitol police barriers, at the cost of Capitol police officers getting beaten, bear sprayed and attacked with flag poles and other weapons. Babbitt got shot trying to go through a window she or her fellow Trumpsters broke–the last barrier before the Speaker’s Lobby–the last line of defense for members of Congress. The reason for being there was to stop Congress from following the Constitutional process for accepting the certified vote totals from all 50 states, so this was a full-blown insurrection–an attempt to overthrow our government by denying the American people their choice for leader. How were the officers defending the last barrier supposed to know how far Babbitt and her compatriots, who had already broken past Capitol police barriers, were going to go to stop Congress from accepting the certified votes for Biden? They weren’t just “protesting” (what was there to “protest” anyway? Trump lost). Trump had told them that he “hoped” Pence “would do the right thing”. The “right thing” was to follow the Constitution. They had erected a gallows, with chants of “hang Pence”. Would they stop at murdering Pence or members of Congress, abduction of members of Congress, or a full-fledged take-over of the Capitol? Were the officers supposed to just stand there and let it happen, wait and see how far they’d go–or comply with their oath to protect members of Congress? Babbitt saw the guns pointed at her but decided to try to go through the broken window anyway. She died from her wounds. Her death is Trump’s fault–fallout from the Big Lie. She bears responsibility, too, for believing the Big Lie. You’d think that if Trump had even an ounce of patriotism he would stop telling the Big Lie, but he won’t.

        How anyone could call this “murder” defies all logic and reason. How would, could, or should the officers defending the last barrier to the floor of the House know whether or not Babbitt or any of the other losers she was with, were armed? And, what did her size have to do with it? And, where is the evidence that anyone other than Trump supporters were involved with the insurrection? There isn’t any–you got this from alt-right media. These people weren’t peaceful or compliant, either. IMHO, when they breached the police barricades, the machine guns should have come out because that’s the point when the “protest” or “demonstration” turned to an insurrection. If they tried to breach the barricades, the shooting should have started after a fair warning to disburse.

        1. The riot stemmed from Pelosi, Schumer et al denying executive offer to carry out crowd management; from an officer who willfully and with a depraved mind aborted an unarmed, outclassed woman (surrounded by security personnel) without immediate, imminent, probable, or even plausible cause; from organized agitators including Some, Select [Black] Lives Matter and agents a la Whitmer Closet; and a rug surreptitiously pulled out from underfoot that forced a chaotic scene.

    2. Babbitt was attempting to spearhead an assault on Congressional personnel.

      Try that at your house. Kill a person that is gaining entry into your home. You will spend a long time behind bars. Even stand your ground laws and castle doctrine laws will not give you relief.

      Law enforcement requires proportional response. Shooting a person that is not an immediate threat is murder.

      You write like English is a second language. Not understanding the meaning of simple words.

      Remove the “special” treatment you are using for congress. It has no bearing according to statute.

      1. “Shooting a person that is not an immediate threat is murder.”

        No doubt you’re going to call for the officer who killed Breonna Taylor while she slept to be charged with murder, and similarly for the many other people killed by police when they are not an immediate threat.

        Oh, wait, no, you haven’t done that.

        “Remove the “special” treatment you are using for congress. It has no bearing according to statute.”

        That’s false, since there are additional statutes that specifically apply to certain parts of the Congressional buildings, including the Speaker’s Lobby that Babbitt was in the midst of climbing into.

        1. No doubt you’re going to call for the officer who killed Breonna Taylor…

          She put herself in between her boyfriend that decided to get in a shootout with law enforcement, and said law enforcement. Yes the law enforcement officers were in fear of their lives. It was a questionable result. That is the reason the Government put the facts in front of a grand jury. That’s the reason the Grand jury heard all the evidence, The evidence presented did not meet the legal element to indict on charges of murder.

          The law is not complicated. But it’s complicated if you slept through that one week of civics in Jr High, and lack any intellectual curiosity to further your understanding of our government structure.

        2. Perhaps conviction of an officer restraining an individual with a progressive condition induced by a drug overdose (a Covid-19 case, no less), and a mob that that blocked ready access by arriving authorized (thanks, lawyers) medical personnel.

      2. Yes, the standard of self-defense is mitigating an immediate and progressive threat to viability. The riot progressed from an unarmed woman aborted in a prone position; integrated, organized principal agitators including Some, Select [Black] Lives Matter, and agents a la Whitmer (of Planned Parent/hood fame) Closet; crowd management denied by Pelosi, Schumer et al; and a rug surreptitiously pulled out from underfoot; followed by establishment of a military junta in DC responding to handmade tales spread through media misinformation and steering engines.

        The depraved response by the officer, Pelosi et al, and apologists is not founded in the Constitution or law, but in the Pro-Choice religion, the Twilight Amendment (“penumbras and emanations”), not limited to the wicked solution (e.g. reproductive rites), that denies women and men’s dignity and agency, and reduces human life to a negotiable property. It reflects the religious and ideological bent of people… persons who back diversity [dogma] (i.e. color judgments), not limited to racism, politiical congruence (“=”) or inclusive exclusion, carried out witch hunts, warlock trials (e.g. cancel culture), and violent (e.g. mobbing vehicles), destructive (e.g. destroying property, vehicles, statues), and invasive (a la KKK) affirmative actions over more than 16 trimesters in progress.

    3. ‘The Capitol Officer who shot Babbitt had one second to decide…’ Total BS. All he had to do was arrest her or ask the officers behind her to do the same. No one was armed except the officers. Why in the world would he fire in the direction of fellow officers?

      1. Yes, not including the other security personnel in close proximity, the male officer alone vastly outclassed the female in both strength and training. His affirmative action was not justified by a right of self-defense, let alone the disparate violence to mitigate an immediate and progressive threat through elective abortion (e.g. firearm, scalpel).

    4. There’s still a lot of unanswered questions and since you go by anonymous I can only assume you are a capital police officer or a politician. Which is it.

    5. Wasn’t Rep. Brooks’s assault on Sen. Sumner an attack on Congressional personnel? So not unexampled. Far from being killed, Brooks got off scot free.

    6. It is true that Babbitt had a backpack. She did not go through a metal detector when she stormed the Capitol. There were actual bombs planted elsewhere as part of the insurrection. How would an officer know she did not have a bomb?

      1. Legal jurisprudence and law enforcement based on articles of faith? The civil right of self-defense for law enforcement and the People generally, is to mitigate an immediate and progressive threat to viability, which may include choosing abortion depending on probable, not merely plausible, risk. The officer was not only trained, but vastly outclassed the unarmed woman… female, who was surrounded by security personnel. Anyway, all’s fair in lust and abortion, a wicked solution, I suppose.

    7. Everything you just posted is an expression of your ‘feelings’, facts don’t care about your feelings Anonymous.
      1)Ashli Babbitt had NO weapons as noted by officer Byrd during his NBC interview.
      2)Officer Byrd admitted at the beginning of the NBC interview he could see Ashli Babbitt ‘had no weapon as she used her hands to try to crawl thru a broken window’, toward the end of his interview without being asked Byrd then switches his story from ‘seeing her hands’ to ‘I couldn’t see her hands, a backpack or what her intentions were’.
      3)During the NBC interview Lester Holt asked officer Byrd if he gave Ashli Babbitt a ‘warning’ he said ‘no’, yet he had plenty of time to warn them ‘if you attempt to climb through those doors or windows I will shoot you’. By NOT giving a verbal warning or firing a warning shot, which IS standard protocol IF there is no visible threat, ie a knife wielding perp coming at you or a gun being pointed at you, his intention was to kill by aiming for her head.
      4)Watching the circulated video of him murdering her clearly shows the officers, who were behind the 10 unarmed people Ashli Babbitt was with, expressions on their faces changed to shock after officer Byrd murdered Babbitt. They repetitively kept looking at her then to Byrd over and over again with shock on their faces, they knew what he did was wrong.
      5)In 2019 officer Byrd left his loaded glock service weapon with the safety off sitting on the toilet tank of the toilet he just used in the public men’s bathroom. Luckily a Good Samaritan, not a child, found the weapon and turned it in but bc of officer Byrds skin color he was let off with a warning. If he was white he would have been fired for such a possibly deadly mistake. Google it!
      6)If the roles were reversed and Ashli Babbitt, a white women, was the Capitol police officer and Byrd, a black man, was at the Capitol doing the exact same thing as Babbitt, attempting to climb thru a broken window to get to congressional members as you claim, and Babbitt would have fired her gun killing Byrd instantly your feelings Anonymous would be a whole lot different. You/Dems/Biden/MSM/BLM would be calling Byrd a hero, flags would be at half staff at the Capitol/WH, BLM would be rioting all over the country adding more property damage to the $2B+ they’ve already caused, assaulting more cops/citizens up from 2020’s 2037, more murderers up from 138, Pelosi/Dems would be investigating that instead of 1/6 and the DOJ/FBI would be holding Babbitt in the special DC prison they set up for the January sixxers all by herself bc the rioters Byrd would be with, BLM/Antifa, are admired and loved by the Marxist left. Babbitt would be charged with murder, sentenced to life all bc the Marxist lefts ‘feelings’ love their non peaceful protestors!

  7. Thank You people from Alabama for yesterday!!!

    Keep telling these Tone Deaf B*stard to Go To Hell & Boo them off the stage! Can you hear us Trump/Mo Brooks?

    Shove your mRNA Gene Therapy Death Jabs & your 2020 US Election Fraud up your azzes!

    It’s 2020 Clear now, today Judge Roy Moore was the Man Trump should have Backed for Al Senate before!

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/08/wth-mo-brooks-gets-booed-alabama-rally-telling-crowd-move-2020-steal-unforcederror-video/

    Gee, I wonder what their “Expert Advisers” tell Trump/Mo Brooks to say tomorrow to Piss us Supporters Off.

    Just let this & that other Trump/Vaccine video replay & sink in.

    Massive crowd show up ready to be supportive & leave Pissed. Way to go guys.

    1. August 23, 2021 at 12:37 AM
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    2. I’ve already explained to you, along with a link to the definitions page from the FDA, the difference between a vaccine and gene therapy. But, you keep repeating the lie that a vaccine is gene therapy, so you are lying and spreading misinformation. Your posts should be removed.

  8. Even the corporate media and foreign governments, the World, are very upset about Biden’s massive blunder in Afghanistan.

    Yeah.

    I wish they would take a look at what he is doing to this country. It’s much worse.

    We could have done better if they cheated to make a Mummy President.

    Maybe they did.

    In the alternative, perhaps he is a Disney Animatronic. We will know if they forget to put his eyes in before a news conference and we can see through the holes to the back of his skull.

    What a way to run a country.

    1. The audacity of Biden’s premature evacuation, as Obama before him for political progress. Catastrophic anthropogenic immigration reform (e.g “refugee crises”) with democratic gerrymandering and collateral damage is a given. The question is if his choice is a first-order forcing and segue to another world war, this time focused on central Asia, involving the abundance of conventional and nuclear powers and billions of people… persons in proximity.

      1. N.n, Absence of a strong America is new. To an unknown degree it injects instability into the entire world and its nearly impossible to predict what might happen, maybe something with Iran or Taiwan, even Vietnam. Maybe Greece.

        Bismarck once speculated on what might cause a big European war, ‘some damned fool thing in the Balkans, I suppose.”

        It was a damned fool thing in the Balkans but it wasn’t a European war; it was a world war.

        That is only a paraphrase of Bismarck from memory, but you get the idea.

        1. Afghanistan is a potential fulcrum that intersects with China, India, Iran, and Russia. This is not Libya for oil reserves with an ambassador sodomized and other Americans aborted and catastrophic anthropogenic immigration reform (e.g. refugee crises) ostensibly for social progress. This isn’t even South Africa to claim control and redistributive change of mineral resources. There is far more at stake in this nexus of civilizations, technological powers, and billions of human lives, people… persons.

    2. Under Trump, 4 years without a war, the Abraham Accords Peace Agreement between UAE and Israel – the supposedly impossible deal, 4 ME peace deals…

      The Left has normalized mean rhetoric against conservatives. Throw Grandma off a cliff, etc. That’s all fine. Yet when Trump was mean right back at them, it was like the sky was falling.

      I can’t even say we have retuned to civility. Perhaps normalcy, as we’re back to the Left in the White House calling conservatives “Neanderthal thinking”, etc.

      A toddler girl was trampled to death in a panic at the Kabul airport. That never should have happened.

      1. Uh, Karen, the war in Afghanistan was going on while your hero was in office. He made noise about ending the war, but did nothing, including planning for the end.

        The so-called “Abraham Accords” were a nothingburger–a phony story to make Trump look successful–probably to thank him for moving the US Embassy to Jerusalem, intended as a symbolic middle finger to the Palestinians living there. It involved formalizing trade flowing between Israel and UAE and Bahrain that had already been going on for a long time. It was nothing but a PR stunt. Israel and UAE and Bahrain were NOT in hot conflict with one another, so it wasn’t a “deal” for peace” at all. What war had Israel and UAE and Bahrain been fighting? None. So, all of the overblown compliments about this “impossibleagreement” are more Trump puffery and bullsh*t. Yet, you will still believe.

        As a Trumpster disciple, you are not a conservative. This has been explained to you several times. Trump is abnormal, and his lifestyle and lack of values conflict with conservative values and principles. Besides being a narcissist and sociopath, Trump is a chronic liar, a serial cheater on all 3 (so far) of his wives, he got sued thousands of times for refusing to honor his contractual obligations, he is a misogynist, a racist and xenophobe. He is unpatriotic–calling our service members “suckers and losers”. He mocked John McCain, who was in a POW prison after his plane was shot down while Trump was grabbing pussies, golfing, and enjoying life while avoiding the draft with a fake diagnosis of nonexistent bone spurs. True conservatives find Trump repulsive. Those who identify with Trump are not conservatives. The things Trump stands for are un-American.

        The child who died at the airport died because of panic. As it turns out, thousands of those storming the airport are not entitled to a Special Immigrant Visa because they had nothing to do with helping Americans. They just would rather live in the US, and they are the ones panicking and causing panic, because they know they aren’t entitled to fly out of Afghanistan and want to get out while the getting’s good, taking advantage of the large crowds and insufficient time to vet everyone first. Some of those Afghans who ARE entitled to the visas have had applications for SIVs pending for more than 18 months–turns out Stephen Miller, who is a xenophobe and anti-Muslim, took steps to slow down the processing of these applications. Yes, her death never should have happened, but it’s not Biden’s fault. It would not matter when or how people started leaving Afghanistan because the same thing that is happening would have happened anyway because so many Afghans want out. So, why did their army just fold and let the Taliban take over, and why is everyone trying to blame Biden for this mess?

  9. Link To Reuters story In Turley’s ‘Hill’ Column:

    https://www.reuters.com/world/us/exclusive-fbi-finds-scant-evidence-us-capitol-attack-was-coordinated-sources-2021-08-20/

    The above piece contains this paragraph:

    “FBI investigators did find that cells of protesters, including followers of the far-right Oath Keepers and Proud Boys groups, had aimed to break into the Capitol. But they found no evidence that the groups had serious plans about what to do if they made it inside, the sources said”.
    ………………………………………………………

    This contradicts ‘no’ commonly reported spins from mainstream media. Which has reported all along that the rioters lacked any plan beyond storming the Capitol. That is, in fact, ‘why’ the insurrection died-out: ‘Rioters had no plan of what to do if they made it inside’.

    Rioters assumed, perhaps, that Trump had a plan. In any event, the Capitol siege alone was shockingly disruptive.
    Our ability to conduct free and fair elections is now seriously in doubt. That was never the case before. We’ve now crossed a threshold that was unimaginable not long ago. So Turley’s effort to minimize the impact is scarcely reassuring.

    1. Pelosi, Schumer et al were responsible for the riot, denied an executive offer for crowd control, forced by the elective abortion of an unarmed woman in a prone position surrounded by security officers, then pulled the rug out from the people assembled. Followed by more than two trimesters of a press braying, media misinformation, depraved indifference, civil rights violations, and affirmative action to stoke diversity and adversity for democratic leverage. Some, Select [Black] lives Matter

        1. I’ve picked up on that as well. It’s either a genius insight on the part of n.n. that the rest of us will surely catch up to at some point, or. well, extreme religious paranoia. Presently i side with one side of the equation more than the other.

          eb

          1. Religious as in behavioral protocol. The modern, nominally “secular” Pro-Choice religion is transhumane, based on ethical or relativistic (e.g. circumstantial) standards, which normalizes a depraved indifference to human life.. A religion that denies women and men’s dignity and agency, and reduces human life to a negotiable property. The zealots believe that they can abort a baby, cannibalize her profitable parts, sequester her carbon pollutants, and have her, too. Unfortunately, in exchange for secular lucre, diverse people… persons have taken a knee to this religion and ideology, and so civilization follows a progressive path and grade with a wicked solution.

        2. Yes, there is no mystery in conception following a man and woman who have sex. Unlike people who subscribe to the Pro-Choice religion, denying life deemed unworthy of life through elective abortion (i.e. premeditated murder) of a human life precipitates a progressive path and grade with diverse precedents and millions of lives in collateral damage, perhaps billions with modern technology. The nominally “secular” religion denies women and men’s dignity and agency, and reduces human life to a negotiable property in a wicked solution to a purportedly hard problem.

          1. I’ll believe you when I see you treating the deaths of the much larger # of embryos that die of natural causes (most often prior to implantation) the same way as the deaths of people who’ve been born.

    2. “Our ability to conduct free and fair elections is now seriously in doubt.”

      Our ability to conduct free and fair elections came into doubt in Nov 2020 when Democrats used the pandemic as an excuse to ram through unprecedented changes in rules governing use of absentee ballots—changes that no state legislature had time to evaluate or prohibit. Hundreds of millions of dollars of dark money from Big Tech helped Democrat pull this off. No signature verification in many states, curing, secrecy, etc. Democrats know their behavior was egregiously wrong, hence the lengths they go to to try to criminalize anyone who dares question the election.

      1. That’s Right.

        I’m posting a new video under a thread I’ve been up on right from the Aussies telling their polecats to go piss up a rope… likely going worldwide soon.

        1. The Aussies made a fatal mistake when they employed the military to trap people in their homes, or within a 3 mile radius. It doesn’t matter if you’re 3 miles from home, or 30. The virus rarely spreads outside.

          There was a tragic story of an Australian woman who was denied permission to stay with her daughter, while she battled cancer. Her daughter was married, with 2 small children. She had been in and out of the ER, and they needed not only her mother’s emotional support, but her help with the children. She promised to quarantine and obey all Covid restrictions.

          The government told her no, because she already had one caregiver, her husband. I guess her kids were out of luck.

          From an epidemiology standpoint, ignoring the civil rights issue, if she moved in with her daughter, then that household was her “bubble”.

          Imagine a government telling you that you are not allowed take care of your daughter or grandchildren while she fights cancer.

          Not allowed.

          That will generate unrest.

          1. ” Imagine a government telling you that you are not allowed take care of your daughter or grandchildren while she fights cancer. ”

            Karen that’s why wife & I had one of the lawyers we use draw us both up a “Medical Directive, MD” . I reco everyone that can should have one made up & at least give it to their personal doctors.

            I think wherever one is at the time the docs & hospital are not Dictators & have to allow you in with that MD when it’s called for.

            That said thy latest charts I’ve seen from countries like Israel, mostly 90/95 %,Covid 19 jabbed twice new cases are blowing through the roof.
            On the other hand where 80% or so have not taken the covid19 jibs, covid19 outbreaks are at or near zero.

            Except here in this state, evil sure would lie to us, change the stats would they?

            Regardless people are still getting sick & worst in the fall winter as they always have. So the docs/scientist I’m hearing are reco’ing everyone at least still stay up with the docs that are having success, like Vit C, D3, Zinc with a driver to push it into the cells like HCQ. I’m using Vit A for now as a zinc driver, & Ivervarcent & a zpack. We all have to keep in touch with Docs that know how & what it takes to stay health.

            I think a lot of Hospitals/etc., have protocols for care that keep failing not like those above.

            Ck around on that banned.video , it has links to many of these type doc.

            If we make it to late spring/early summer next year those of use left will being seeing the resulting info from the Jabbed & Non Jabbed.

    3. It’s almost as if they had no plans to overthrow the government, rather than broadcast their pique. However shall we tell CNN, Biden, et al?

      1. Karen: more of your “we vs. them” mentality is showing. You Trumpsters are in the minority in this country. You and the Republicans, and the Trumpsters are not in charge, and therefore not in a position to “tell” CNN, Biden or anyone else anything.

    4. Trump told them he’d be with them at the Capitol-a lie, as usual. All of these people who have testified in court told the judge they were following Trump’s orders. It’s not unreasonable to assume that they believed their grand leader would take over and lead them once they breached the Capitol and stopped the certified votes from being entered into the Congressional Record. Their goal was to stop the votes from being accepted, and that worked–temporarily. But, after they got to the floor of the House, they either had to start murdering or kidnapping members of Congress, lynch Pence, or give up and go away. The brave Capitol Police staved them off until members of Congress had a chance to get to safety. But for delaying their progress, we might all have learned just how far their devotion to Trump would go. There are reports that some of his followers who were just outside D.C. (which has a strict ban on carrying weapons), had a cache of weapons ready to go. I don’t doubt that some of them were capable of murdering Pence and members of Congress. That’s why devotion to him is so baffling–why the unflappable adoration of someone who is so arrogant and mean? Social scientists say that it is pent up frustration by white, non college educated people who resented Obama and his successful presidency, and who feel threatened by college educated women and minorities plus the influx of immigrants.

      You have to understand Trump’s mental illness to see the big picture here. Those present said he was watching the insurrection unfold on television, transfixed by the extent of the love of his followers and the power he wielded. That’s why he let it go on for hours. That’s why he told them, after they left, that he loved them. He is one sick, twisted individual. But, his ego got a huge fix after he got drubbed by the American people. But, he needs more–so the vainglory rallies. How anyone fails to see this for the outrageous display of narcissism that it is is beyond me. Has any US President ever done this?

  10. Whether or not the officer is punished, why can’t his name be made public? Isn’t that what is done in such cases?

      1. Anonymous:

        Then why are the names of police officers released who are involved in use of force with a black suspect?

        1. Karen,

          “ Then why are the names of police officers released who are involved in use of force with a black suspect?”

          Because not all police precincts and departments have the same policies. Plus those who ARE charged and fired are no longer bound by department policies.

          If there were no charges and there are Union rules to follow the DC police officer’s name was not required to be released.

      2. Oh my…..Death Threats to a Killer….we mustn’t trigger him by something said on the the Internet should we?

      3. People like me? Just because I question why this officer’s name has not been released, that makes me like people who make death threats?

  11. The problem here is the total lack of transparency. In many other shootings, there is a full disclosure of the evidence behind the decision. The lack of any statement that it was actually justified is troubling.

    First we were told the Jan 6 rioters killed a cop. That wasn’t true.

    Then we were told it was a planned insurrection. That doesn’t seem to be true.

    We were told they were seditionists trying to overthrow the government. That wasn’t true.

    We were told Republicans coordinated the attack and Senators let them in. That wasn’t true.

    We were told AOC was nearly raped and murdered. She wasn’t even there where it happened.

    We were told walls were xenophobic. Then a wall went up in DC.

    We’ve been told a lot of things.

    1. “The lack of any statement that it was actually justified is troubling.”

      They released a statement.

      “We were told they were seditionists trying to overthrow the government. That wasn’t true.”

      It was true for some of them, including the ones looking for Mike Pence to hang him on the gallows they erected outside.

      “We were told AOC was nearly raped and murdered. She wasn’t even there where it happened.”

      Just “where” are you referring to? The entire House was in the chamber until they were ushered out by LE because of the people breaking into the building. The entire Congress was meeting in a joint session to certify the Electoral College vote, and they’d temporarily adjourned separately to the House and Senate to discuss a motion.

      “We’ve been told a lot of things.”

      Yes, and some are true and some are false. Just like you say some things that are true and some that are false.

      1. Anonymous:

        Perhaps read Turley’s post a bit more closely:

        “Not only was there no claim that Babbitt was believed to be armed, but there were officers directly behind her and in front of her at the time. As I noted earlier, if the officer intended to shoot Babbitt, it would not likely meet the standard for a justified shooting under governing cases like Tennessee v. Garner (1985). If the officer fired blindly or wildly, it would appear to have many of the same negligent elements as the Wright shooting.

        I was highly critical of the maddening findings of the Justice Department in the case. In rejecting charges, the Justice Department statement notably does not say that the shooting was clearly justified.

        Perhaps you should spend a few minutes researching where AOC was during the riot. She wasn’t even in the building. She’s already been panned for claiming she was nearly raped and murdered. She added the fear of sexual assault after a while.

        What evidence do you have that the Jan 6 rioters were trying to seize control of the government, instead of simply protesting and disrupting? How were they going to take permanent control of Congress, the White House, and SCOTUS? Or even any of the branches? All they did was run amuck.

        Again, read Turley’s post. Your statements make it sound like you have not.

        1. Karen, are you equally troubled by all of the other law enforcement organizations who release a statement saying that they’re not going to charge an officer after s/he kills someone in the line of duty but fail to say the words you think they need to say, “it was justified”? If so, why haven’t you made similar statements in Turley’s other columns?

          “Perhaps you should spend a few minutes researching where AOC was during the riot. She wasn’t even in the building.”

          You seem confused. There are multiple Congressional buildings, and members of Congress were in all of them during the insurrection. AOC was in the Cannon building, which is one of the buildings in the Capitol complex. The Cannon building was evacuated by the USCP during the riot.

          “She’s already been panned for claiming she was nearly raped and murdered.”

          She did not say that. She said that she thought she would be raped and killed. You’re smart enough to understand the difference.

          AOC: “I didn’t think that I was just going to be killed. I thought other things were going to happen to me as well.”
          Dana Bash: “It sounds like what you’re telling me right now is that you didn’t only think that you were going to die, you thought that you were going to be raped.”
          AOC: “Yeah, I thought I was …”

      1. Anonymous:

        Are you asking me to do your own research that AOC was not in the building when the Jan 6 rioters broke in? If I do, will you accept these facts, or shall I simply waste time providing to you what you could easily get yourself?

        AOC was widely panned for saying she was nearly raped and murdered when she wasn’t even in the main Capitol building; she was in her office in the Cannon building. A Capitol police officer knocked on her door to inform her and her staff of the situation, which surprised her as she was on her phone figuring out lunch. That knock was the traumatic moment where she (weirdly) thought she would be raped and murdered. But the protesters were not there.

        She’s parlayed hearing about the riot into nearly dying.

        Yet she does not seem able to understand how business owners felt, hearing about BLM rioters burning down businesses, assaulting and robbing people, and looting stores, and fearing for their safety and livelihoods. The same politician who thought defund the police was justice sure worried about her safety, and wanted that armed security, when she heard about a riot. Yet she egged on BLM rioters, and pledged to pay their bail.

        The hypocrisy just soars right over her head. Like everything else, including garbage disposal operation. (Hint, you flip a switch.)

        1. Karen,

          AOC was not in the Capitol building. What is NOT true is the claim that she claimed to be in the Capitol building. She never made that claim.

          Right wing pundits and media falsely reported that she made the claim that she was in the Capitol building. That’s what “you’re hearing”.

          It seems you need to take some of your own advice research the claim instead of just relying on what you’re “hearing”.

      2. Karen, let’s see a reliable source
        When ever anonymous realizes he’s been caught on the wrong side of the facts he demands others do the work he can’t intellectually undertake.

        1. Actually it’s just an attempt to real someone back to Earth 1. Anonymous already knows such information doesn’t exist.

          eb

  12. “I will fight hard to stamp out sexual assault, to rid our ranks of racists and extremists, and to create a climate where everyone fit and willing has the opportunity to serve this country with dignity. “The job of the Department of Defense is to keep America safe from our enemies. But we can’t do that if some of those enemies lie within our own ranks.”
    -Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin, January 2021

    Mr. Austin spent too far too much time fighting to stamp out the Biden regime’s domestic political enemies – people like Ashli Babbitt – and not enough time fighting our nation’s true enemies like the Taliban. Following his boss’ lead, Austin’s underling Mark Milley spent his time trying to understand ‘white rage.’ What about Taliban rage, General?

    Gentlemen, have you both forgotten American Airlines Flight 77, which was highjacked by actual Taliban supported terrorists and succeed in destroying a large part of the Pentagon? Or United Airlines Flight 93, which was highjacked by still other Taliban-supported terrorists hell-bent on destroying the Capitol? A mission that was thwarted, not by military apparatchiks like yourself, but by heroic American citizens like Todd “Let’s Roll” Beamer?

    Austin and Milley utterly failed in their mission to protect our nation from the Taliban. But we can all sleep better at night knowing that Austin and Milley and their ilk will never shirk from their duty to protect the ruling class from unarmed 105 pound women like Ashli Babbitt. All while managing to strip our armed forces, and our nation, of their dignity on the world stage. Imbecilic, to quote Tony Blair. Both men should resign immediately.

    Remember Ashli Babbitt. January 6, 2021.

  13. This case illustrates the difference in justice between those who kill in the name of BLM/Antifa and those who kill unarmed conservatives.

      1. “Unnamed” Anti-fa members killed and injured multiple cops, destroyed millions of dollars of private property, destroyed and overran multiple public buildings and destroyed tons of public property such as streets,federal buildings, state and federal vehicles, etc etc. Antifa has been protected by the Leftists who will let their cities, businesses, and people suffer – hopefully some of those people have brains enough to vote out the corrupt Democrat pols.

        1. ““Unnamed” Anti-fa members killed and injured multiple cops”

          How are the DOJ or state DAs supposed to charge an “unnamed” person?

          They haven’t charged the unnamed person who left the IEDs outside the RNC and DNC on Jan. 5 either. Because they haven ‘t identified him or her.

          Duh.

          1. Did they bother to look at those hidden videos of Pelosi’s Ret Gen friend “They
            say were” planting them? We’d all be very interested in seeing those videos I’m sure.

            I don’t know, maybe the DOJ/FIB look at videos like of that retired Fm Chief Police, working security, out of St Louis being wracked & arrest the piece of crap if the haven’t ready & there’s plenty of other cases like it on videos.

            Maybe they could look at the videos of the pBLM/Pantifa’s that attempted to blow up with a fire bomb at & kill Kyle Rittenhouse & drop all the charges for him using Self Defence rather then doing nothing being m urdered by the riot mob.

            Never mind, likely nothing. Carry on.

  14. “Yesterday I wrote a column in the Hill about the FBI reportedly finding no evidence a planned insurrection at the Capitol on January 6th.”

    Why didn’t you just wait until there was an actual statement from the FBI?

    We know that Trump chose the date and time of his rally to coincide with Congress certifying the Electoral College vote, that Trump and his allies repeatedly announced the date to his supporters and asked them to show up to the rally, that Trump told them it would be “wild” and they needed to “fight like hell,” that Trump encouraged them to go to the Capitol in the midst of the certification and lied to them that he’d go with them, that some of his supporters brought weapons and body armor, that some of his supporters were coordinating with each other during the insurrection, that many of those arrested have stated that they believed they were doing Trump’s bidding, that some of his supporters were literally wearing shirts that said “MAGA Civil War, January 6, 2021” on that day, etc.

    From Twitter:
    “The rally was timed and the speakers’ exhortations tuned to deliver a mob of fanatics to the doors of the Capitol at the hour Congress took up the certification–which Trump had been obsessing about interrupting for weeks beforehand–but apparently that’s too obvious for the FBI.”
    response:
    “That, and also, the article itself says that far-right groups planned to breach the Capitol during this planned protest. The consequences of that are foreseeable, but it’s somehow not an attempt to overthrow the government because they didn’t have a clear plan for what came next. It was a putsch! This is what a putsch IS! Conspirators rally a mob in an attempt to overthrow a government! The mob itself is not, like, part of the advance planning”

    If it’s true that the FBI has found no evidence, then they are willingly blind to the evidence in plain sight and choosing not to do a thorough investigation. Has the FBI sought subpoenas to check emails or texts from Trump and allies relevant to the insurrection?

    1. Yes, people protest the actions of government most typically at the time and place that government acts.

      While these people had excellent reasons to challenge the legitimacy of those government actions – even if they did not, that is not relevant.

      The right to protest government is NOT conditioned on the legitimacy or illegitimacy of what government is doing.

      We are free to march to congress and protest the start of a session claiming that little green men had taken over.

      1. I’m not questioning the right to peaceful protest. Peaceful protest is not an insurrection.

        Which is why I was discussing whether there’s “evidence a planned insurrection at the Capitol on January 6th.” Hundreds of people have been indicted for their illegal actions at the Capitol that day, some of them for violence, some of them in indictments that indicate coordination.

        “We are free to march to congress and protest the start of a session claiming that little green men had taken over.”

        But you’re not free to carry out crimes while doing so.

        You can read the criminal charges here: justice.gov/usao-dc/capitol-breach-cases
        And you can read more details by looking at the docket for each case.

        “It has been REPEATEDLY confirmed that there were no firearms or offensive weapons at the capital on Jan 6. th.”

        Four of the LE officers testified under oath about the weapons used by the insurrectionists, and you can read the weapons charges, including firearms charges, at the link above.

        “If this was an insurrection, if this was a n attempt to overthrow the government. if this was an attempt to thwart certifying the election BY FORCE – these people would have been armed and they would have succeeded.”

        Some of them WERE armed, and if an insurrection fails, that does not imply that it wasn’t an insurrection. They did thwart the certification for several hours.

        1. There is no evidence of coordination. There were no firearms or scalpels confiscated at the event. The certification was delayed by choice, not force. There is evidence of anti-activists and a trail of collusion that most recently leads back to Michigan. There is evidence of handmade tales spun by the media and official actors to steer public opinion in a trial by press. There is no evidence that the unidentified officer aborted her life in self-defense, not with immediate, imminent, probable, or even plausible cause. We know that Pelosi et al denied an offer of executive aid to carry out crowd control. We know that those assembled were invited inside and followed direction. We know that there were unaffiliated antagonists among those present. We know that the shooter did not follow ethical or legal procedure and policy to mitigate a non-threat from an unarmed woman surrounded by security officers.

          1. “There is no evidence of coordination”

            The DOJ disagrees with you, which is why some people are being charged jointly. You can also see coordination among some people in photos and videos. Here’s an example: web.archive.org/web/20210115122707/https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2021/01/15/capitol-rioters-included-highly-trained-ex-military-and-cops/ (second photo, “In this Jan. 6, 2021 image from video provided by Robyn Stevens Brody, a line of men wearing helmets and olive drab body armor walk up the marble stairs outside the U.S. Capitol in Washington in an orderly single-file line, each man holding the jacket collar of the man ahead. The formation, known as “Ranger File,” is standard operating procedure for a combat team “stacking up” to breach a building.” Those are insurrectionists in the photo, not LE.)

            “The certification was delayed by choice”

            Your opinion. I suggest that you ask the Secret Service who whisked Mike Pence away whether they think it was necessary and why.

            1. They wisked George W. Bush away, all around the country, on 9/11.

              Turns out, it was not necessary at all.

              You want existentially serious:

              “We will stop him.”

              – Peter Strzok to FBI paramour Lisa Page

              “[Obama] wants to know everything we’re doing.”

              – Lisa Page to FBI paramour Peter Strzok
              _________________________________

              The Obama Coup D’etat in America is the most egregious abuse of power and the most prodigious crime in American political history.

              The co-conspirators are:

              Kevin Clinesmith, Bill Taylor, Eric Ciaramella, Rosenstein, Mueller/Team, Andrew Weissmann,

              James Comey, Christopher Wray, McCabe, Strozk, Page, Laycock, Kadzic,

              Sally Yates, James Baker, Bruce Ohr, Nellie Ohr, Priestap, Kortan, Campbell,

              Sir Richard Dearlove, Christopher Steele, Simpson, Joseph Mifsud,

              Alexander Downer, Stefan “The Walrus” Halper, Azra Turk, Kerry, Hillary,

              Huma, Mills, Brennan, Gina Haspel, Clapper, Lerner, Farkas, Power, Lynch,

              Rice, Jarrett, Holder, Brazile, Sessions (patsy), Nadler, Schiff, Pelosi, Obama,

              Joe Biden, James E. Boasberg, Emmet Sullivan, et al.
              __________________________________________

              Insurrection?

              Absolutely!

    2. It has been REPEATEDLY confirmed that there were no firearms or offensive weapons at the capital on Jan 6. th.

      That thoroughly debunks all of the lefts idiotic claims about Jan. 6th.

      If this was an insurrection, if this was a n attempt to overthrow the government. if this was an attempt to thwart certifying the election BY FORCE – these people would have been armed and they would have succeeded.

      1. John,

        I hear word is from US intel is that those that showed up for Trump’s peaceful event where in fact armed, they had spit balls, rubber bands & bubble gum to put in lil girls hair. Now none of us can stand for that type Insurrection/Sedition can we. lol(sarc)

        Mean while, were current under the 4th Phkin Bio-Weapon Attack with Big Pharma’s Broost mRNA Jab.

        So sorry about Babbitt, but there’s the large ongoing Attack against us Citizen & Our Govt Every occurring right damn now, if people are not to busy to mess with such a fuss of WW3.

        BTW: Funeral Home stocks are still cheap.

        1. It’s just a coincidence that there was a FBI coordinated plot to distract from planned parent/hood facilities, practices, and collateral damage in several Democrat districts, not limited to Whitmer’s Choice.

      2. John say, You keep confusing the definition of weapons here. Being armed is legally defined as being in possession of a firearm or anything of that nature. Being armed is considered being in possession of a weapon that can inflict harm or death when it’s used for that purpose. Many of those Trump insurrectionists wielded baseball bats, poles, batons taken from police officers, bear mace, fire extinguishers, etc. any or those are considered weapons by the law and federal law has multiple definitions of what constitutes weapon and what constitutes being armed. People there were indeed armed.

        Actual firearms and ammunition were found just outside of the Capitol in close proximity to the insurrectionists.

        On the issue of Babbitt, she was certainly unarmed, but that didn’t protect her from forcing herself into a protected zone where legislators were still present. She was warned multiple times while at gun point and continued to force her way thru. The officer justifiability shot her after not heeding warnings and commands. She suffered the consequences of her own choice to ignore those commands. Let’s not forget that she was already in the process of committing a crime too.

        After she was shot everyone in that room suddenly stopped and surrendered. It took the stupidity of Babbitt to bring back everyone in that room to the reality that they CAN get shot.

        1. “She was warned multiple times while at gun point and continued to force her way thru. The officer justifiability shot her after not heeding warnings and commands.”

          You’re making stuff up, there is no proof she was ever warned by the cop who shot her (from ambush).


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      Anonymous says:
      August 22, 2021 at 4:30 PM

      Hi Q,

      BTW: Please tell us all how Q’s psyops operation of Insurrection & Sedition with rogue members of the US/Foreign intel groups going.

      And one helluva job m urdering Americans in Aflaughistan & you guys & making American look like Crap to our Enemies. You guys should get a pay raise from China/Iran for being such American Hating Scum! POS

    4. In what world would the remarks of those on Twitter who Did NOT participate in the event be evidence of anything ?

      As to the FBI – absolutely – they were surveiling (illegally) participants BEFORE Jan. 6 th.
      In fact one of the criticisms is that they did not provide the Capital police with the intelligence they had.

      Further they have extensively gathered evidence since – as has the media.
      You can bet your bottom dollar than ANY facts damaging to these protestors are ALREADY KNOWN.

      If the FBI (and others) claims there were no weapons – there were none. If there were – they would be being paraded on TV.

      What the FBI is actually doing (as well as the capital police) is HIDING exculpatory evidence.
      There are thousands of hours of security video from that day that have not been made public or available to defendants.

      1. “What the FBI is actually doing (as well as the capital police) is HIDING exculpatory evidence.”
        ***
        Probably also hiding their involvement.

        1. 50 shades of Michigan et al, which conveniently deferred attention from Whitmer’s role in planned parent/hood facilities and practices and collateral damage in progress from executive mandates.

      2. “In what world would the remarks of those on Twitter who Did NOT participate in the event be evidence of anything ?”

        It’s evidence of some people’s interpretations of / arguments about the event. Are you suggesting that the only people whose interpretations matter in our democracy are the people who participated? Because that would be a pretty strange view.

        “You can bet your bottom dollar than ANY facts damaging to these protestors are ALREADY KNOWN. ”

        You can do that. I will not. They haven’t even identified the person who left the IEDs the night before at the RNC and DNC, despite a large reward, and I doubt that’s the only relevant fact they lack.

        “If the FBI (and others) claims there were no weapons – there were none. If there were – they would be being paraded on TV. ”

        The DOJ has filed many weapons charges. Are they among the “others” whose claims you count? The LE officers who testified under oath before Congress spoke about the weapons used against them and their colleagues. Are they among the “others” whose claims you count? Their testimony was on TV, is that enough of a “parade” for you?

        “What the FBI is actually doing (as well as the capital police) is HIDING exculpatory evidence. There are thousands of hours of security video from that day that have not been made public or available to defendants.”

        The government disagrees that it’s “hiding” evidence. In US v. Griffin, the government said “As the volume of material makes it impossible for the government to review every potentially discoverable item and determine its materiality to each specific defendant, and because “[d]efendants are in a better position to determine what evidence they believe is exculpatory and will help in their defense,” it is our intent to provide the defense with all data that may contain such information, but in a manner that will facilitate search, retrieval, sorting, and management of that information.” Griffin’s attorneys have responded and the judge hasn’t yet ruled. I’ll wait to see what he says. If you don’t want to, that’s your prerogative.

        1. The LE officers who testified under oath before Congress spoke about the weapons used against them and their colleagues. Are they among the “others” whose claims you count? Their testimony was on TV, is that enough of a “parade” for you?

          Yes, a violation of civil rights, and democratic gerrymander in several Democrat districts. That said, other than an security guard who may have been motivated by diversity (e.g. sexism), and in a depraved state of mind (e.g. finger inside the trigger guard, elective abortion for causes other than self-defense), there were no firearms used to threaten or abort anyone present. The riot stems from Pelosi et al denying executive aid to carry out crowd management, a chaotic order forced by organized agitators (e.g. Some, Select [Black] Lives Matter) and agents a la Whitmer (of Planned Parent/hood fame) Closet, and the capricious denial of authorization to assemble in a public space.

      3. John Say, yes there were firearms and multiple other weapons.

        “ A small number of Capitol riot defendants — at least three charged in the federal criminal investigation — have been accused of carrying firearms. But guns weren’t the only threat. According to court documents reviewed by CBS News, 39 defendants have been accused of wielding “deadly or dangerous” weapons that weren’t firearms, including Tasers, tomahawk axes, crowbars, flagpoles, a knife, an ice axe, a firecracker, a stun gun, baseball bats, fire extinguishers, a wooden club and chemical spray.”

        https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/capitol-riot-weapons-deadly-dangerous/

        Yes people were indeed armed.

        “ Police said in a criminal charging document that during the evening of January 6, as authorities were clearing the U.S. Capitol Visitor Center, 33-year-old Christopher Alberts was slow to respond to police orders. An officer noticed a bulge on his hip and Alberts attempted to flee, but was ultimately caught with a loaded handgun and a spare magazine, along with a gas mask, pocket knife, a packaged military meal and a first aid kit. Authorities said there was one round in the handgun’s chamber.”

        From the Hill, Turley’s own publisher of his columns.

        “ Police have seized an alarming number of guns from President Trump’s supporters who descended on Washington, D.C., last week and stormed the Capitol in an effort to stop Congress’s certification of the 2020 election results.”

        …” The defendant brought these weapons to the immediate vicinity of the U.S. Capitol Building, and traveled to the area with two firearms on his person. The amount of weapons suggests an intent to provide them to others, as no one person could reasonably use so many at once,”

        https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/534329-police-seized-alarming-number-of-weapons-on-capitol-rioters-court%3famp

        That’s why your claims are certifiably false.

        1. No firearms claims were realized. Only one firearm was used to threaten and take a life by a security guard who may have been motivated by diversity (e.g. racism, sexism) and in a depraved state of mind committed elective abortion of an unarmed woman who posed no immediate, imminent, probable, or event plausible threat to him or the officers surrounding her.

        2. “A small number of Capitol riot defendants — at least three charged in the federal criminal investigation — have been accused of carrying firearms. But guns weren’t the only threat. According to court documents reviewed by CBS News, 39 defendants have been accused of wielding “deadly or dangerous” weapons that weren’t firearms, including Tasers, tomahawk axes, crowbars, flagpoles, a knife, an ice axe, a firecracker, a stun gun, baseball bats, fire extinguishers, a wooden club and chemical spray.” — Svelaz

          Wow, about 40 armed protestors in a crowd of 100,000+? That impressive list of arms sounds awfully dangerous to Our Democracy™ — especially the firecracker. To bad no one thought to bring an F-15 or nuclear bomb…

          Ya’ll must be really desperate to maintain the insurrection narrative* — this is shameless.

          *Please note the use of a genteel term, narrative, rather than calling this by its rightful name: lie.

          1. Spunky,

            That’s just 40 who are known to have been armed. There’s evidence more were. Problem is not everyone was arrested.

            It still debunks John says’s claims that there were no armed insurrectionists.

            In any court of law those are serious charges, especially when they are used against police officers.

            1. That’s just 40 who are known to have been armed. There’s evidence more were. Problem is not everyone was arrested. — Svelaz

              If there was more evidence, there would be more arrests and indictments. There were no armed insurrectionists because there was no insurrection.

              Do you not realize how ridiculous, not to mention mendacious, the claim that the 1/6 Capitol protest was an insurrection makes the Democrats, and you, look? Out here in the real world, except for true blue believers, and I know a few, no one I’ve talked to believes this bullsh*t.

              “Action makes propaganda’s effect irreversible. He who acts in obedience to propaganda can never go back. He is now obliged to believe in that propaganda because of his past action. He is obliged to receive from it his justification and authority, without which his action will seem to him absurd or unjust, which would be intolerable. He is obliged to continue to advance in the direction indicated by propaganda, for action demands more action.” – Jacques Ellul

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