Dossier Delusion: Christopher Steele Claims Michael Cohen is Covering for Trump

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Christopher Steele, the author of the Russian collusion dossier, gave an extraordinary interview to ABC’s George Stephanopoulos this week where he stood by claims long debunked by past investigations. What was most striking about the interview was Steele effectively claiming that Michael Cohen, one of Trump’s most fierce critics, is still covering for Trump in denying a critical conspiratorial meeting with Russian intelligence.

The dossier alleged Cohen had “secret meeting/s with Kremlin officials in August 2016” in Prague. Cohen testified before the House Oversight Committee in 2019 that he had never been to Prague. The Special Counsel and the Justice Department were unable to confirm Steele’s claim despite exhaustive investigation. Indeed, American intelligence believed that Russian intelligence used Steele to pass along disinformation, including the use of a long suspected Russian agent as one of his critical sources.

In the interview, Stephanopoulos noted that “one big claim the dossier, the FBI, according to the Inspector General’s report … is not true, is the claim that Michael Cohen had a meeting with Russians in Prague.” He then asked “do you accept that finding that it didn’t happen?” Steele responded that he rejects the findings of Justice Department Inspector General Michael E. Horowitz.

Now stop for a second and think about that. Cohen was given a deal by prosecutors and worked tirelessly to incriminate Trump in any way that he could. He even shilled for contributions based on that promise. This included an admission that he lied when he was still Trump’s lawyer. As part of his deal, Cohen could have easily confirmed the Prague allegation and said that he did meet with Russians. It would have been devastating to Trump. Instead, he continued to deny that it ever happened.  He later wrote a book that called Trump every name in the book and said that he lied for him. However, he continued to maintain his long-standing denial that he has ever been to Prague or ever met with the Russians as alleged by Steele.

It is also worth noting that, if Cohen did travel to Prague, there would have been a record contradicting his sworn testimony. No such evidence was ever found in the form of customs records, passport stamps, tickets, or other easily obtainable sources. If it had, Cohen would have been charged with lying about that issue.

When confronted by the obvious disconnect, Steele just effectively shrugged and said Cohen is lying “because I think it’s so incriminating and demeaning and I think the other reason is he might be scared of the consequences.”

What? Cohen already incriminated himself. He pleaded guilty and went to prison. If he could substantiate this claim, he could likely have been given the deal of the century by Mueller. He would also have been heralded as a hero by Democrats. He would have been the John Dean figure that he always wanted to be in the scandal.

Notably, American intelligence warned the FBI that Steele was not viewed as a reliable source and noted that there was evidence that he was a dupe for Russian intelligence. This was brought out in the declassified footnote 350 of the intelligence assessment and addresses claims in the dossier regarding Cohen. Have a look at a key part of it:

[W]e identified reporting the Crossfire Hurricane team received from [REDACTED] indicating the potential for Russian disinformation influencing Steele’s election reporting. A January 12, 2017, report relayed information from [REDACTED] outlining an inaccuracy in a limited subset of Steele’s reporting about the activities of Michael Cohen. The [REDACTED] stated that it did not have high confidence in this subset of Steele’s reporting and assessed that the referenced subset was part of a Russian disinformation campaign to denigrate U.S. foreign relations. A second report from the same [REDACTED] five days later stated that a person named in the limited subset of Steele’s reporting had denied representations in the reporting and the [REDACTED] assessed that the person’s denials were truthful.

Steele’s explanation of Cohen’s denial borders on delusion and only further undermines his credibility.

Steele also stood by his account of the activities of Carter Page, who was never charged with any crime. Indeed, despite multiple investigations, no one could support Steele’s account of Page being a Russian agent or tool of Russian intelligence.

To the credit of Stephanopoulos, Steele was pressed on these contradictions. Unfortunately, there were no questions on aspects of the Durham investigation, including the alleged creation of the dossier as a vehicle of the Clinton campaign. Yet, it was lightyears beyond where the CNN left the recent interview with Clinton lawyer Marc Elias.  Unlike CNN, Stephanopoulos did not ask Steele “what should we be doing differently?”

Steele was sued for defamation by individuals referenced in the Alfa Bank conspiracy theory. In July 2020, Steele was ordered to pay damages to bank officials who Steele claimed had delivered “large amounts of illicit cash” to Vladimir Putin. The court found that the claim was “demonstrably false.”

 

 

151 thoughts on “Dossier Delusion: Christopher Steele Claims Michael Cohen is Covering for Trump”

  1. Let’s compare insurrections. A phony made up dossier created by the Democratic Party that was used to try to destroy our electoral system and remove a sitting President makes the so called January 6 insurrection look like child’s play. A fitting historical comparison would be Stalin taking power by destroying Lenin. There are those here who defend the indefensible. No need to name names.

    1. The dossier wasn’t created by the Democratic Party.
      The dossier wasn’t used to try to destroy our electoral system.
      The dossier wasn’t used to try to remove a sitting President (he was impeached for the Ukraine phone call and his incitement on Jan. 6, neither of which involved the dossier).

      You have difficulty being truthful.

    2. Lol dumb much ? It was actually started by a conservative news outlet. It really does not matter if the claims ate true or not because Trump still interfered with a Federal Discovery.

      1. It is against my religion to provide them any web traffic so that they can sell to advertisers. No way Jose!

    1. Estovir; explain EXACTLY HOW the supply chain problems were CAUSED by Biden, instead of the Trump Pandemic being allowed to get out of control, resulting in the Trump Recession, which caused factories to shut down due to illness and decreased consumer demand that lasted for over a year. How is Biden supposed to turn all of this around in 9 months’ time? It took Trump a slap 4 years to trash the successful economy inherited from Obama, resulting in the worse recession since the Great Depression, double-digit unemployment and schools closed for most of a year to in-person learning, not to mention small restaurants and other small businesses going under altogether.

    2. Do you mean he is going to Federalize some state’s or multiple states’ militia (sorrybut save me from the Guardian)

    3. So is the rest of the world. By the way Biden hasn’t changed anything. You are still under Trumpnomics. Enjoy the hyperinflation you voted for it .

  2. The court found that the claim was “demonstrably false.”

    “We know they are lying, they know they are lying, they know we know they are lying, we know they know we know they are lying, but they are still lying.” – Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

    Americans are noticing that Democrats lie about everything. Biden’s White House is “demonstrably false”.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2021/10/20/joe-biden-avoiding-interviews-approval-rating-continues-sink/

    Joe Biden’s worst gaffes as he dodges interviews in bid to salvage sinking ratings

    The president has given far fewer interviews by this stage than Barack Obama and Donald Trump and none to the major American newspapers

    Joe Biden has given just 10 interviews in his first nine months in office, falling well short of his two immediate predecessors and pointing to a growing siege mentality engulfing the White House.

    Donald Trump had done 57 interviews by this stage, and Barack Obama 131, according to Mark Knoller, a former CBS News White House correspondent who keeps track of presidential activities.

    It comes as Mr Biden’s approval rating sank to 37 per cent, according to one poll. Another had him tied with Donald Trump if an election was held today.

    Mr Biden has now not sat down for an interview for six weeks. While president, he has not spoken exclusively to the two main wire services, The Associated Press and Reuters, or political reporters from the Washington Post, New York Times or Wall Street Journal.

    One of only three print interviews he has conducted was with his wife for People magazine, and another was for a book.

    1. Actually, what Democrats know is that lots of Democrats and Republicans lie, but no President has lied as much as Trump. It was one of the defining features of his candidacy and presidency.

      As a candidate he lied that he was going to decrease the national debt (instead it increased by a huge amount), that Mexico would pay for the wall, that he was going to replace the ACA with something better, …, but he never did those things.

      Then there’s his slew of lies about Covid:
      “We have it [the coronavirus] totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China, and we have it under control. It’s — going to be just fine.”
      “China has been working very hard to contain the Coronavirus. The United States greatly appreciates their efforts and transparency. It will all work out well. In particular, on behalf of the American People, I want to thank President Xi!”
      In March of 2020: “Anybody that wants a test can get a test.”
      “It’s going to disappear. One day, it’s like a miracle, it will disappear.”
      “No, I’m not concerned at all.” [That might not have been a lie, but if he wasn’t concerned at all, then he should have been. Also not a lie but terrible: “I don’t take responsibility at all.”]
      “I couldn’t have done it any better.” [When asked if his coronavirus response could have been better]
      “This is going to go away without a vaccine. It is going to go away. We are not going to see it again.”
      In June of 2020: “At some point this stuff goes away and it’s going away.” “It’s fading away. It’s going to fade away.”
      “Joe Biden is promising to delay the vaccine”

      Nothing compares to Trump’s Big Lie about the 2020 election: that he won and it was stolen from him. Some examples:
      “this year they [big tech] rigged an election. They rigged it like they’ve never rigged an election before.”
      “we won this election and we won it by a landslide.”
      “if Mike Pence does the right thing, we win the election. … He has the absolute right to do it [refuse to certify EC votes from key states Trump lost].”
      “Democrats attempted the most brazen and outrageous election theft and there’s never been anything like this. So pure theft in American history.”
      This is called The Big Lie for a reason.

      1. Anonymous – not following through on a campaign promise is not the same as lying.

        In fact, Trump tried more than any president I can recall to make good on campaign promises. Trump broke all records to get that vaccine out in less than a year when it usually takes 7 years. His forte is clearing red tape and streamlining. He helped get the vaccine through the EUA process, solving critical supply shortages. He also pre-ordered the vaccines and fired up the manufacturing logistics so that manufacturers could hit the ground running. Normally, they don’t invest or build out manufacturing capabilities until after FDA approval.

        Democrats fought with everything they had against building a border wall. Now we’ve had about a million illegal aliens come to the border and people are thinking, gee, if only there was some architectural structure designed to keep people out, in use for thousands of years…

        As for the Big Lie: Actually, the lawsuit in PA was really strong. The original suit was that PA violated the equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment, because ballots in different districts were subjected to different legal standards. That affected all 6.1 million PA voters. This was the same successful argument in Bush v Gore. However, Giuliani muscled his way in and completely changed the case, focusing on issues that were either unprovable, disproven, or only affected a relatively small number of voters. He botched the case so badly by changing it that all of the original attorneys successfully petitioned the judge to be excused from the case.

        The media misled the public about this litigation, releasing propaganda to willing recipients like you. That’s what the “Big Lie” is, total propaganda. Yeah, it’s called the “Big Lie” for a reason; that reason is propaganda to try to deflect from a Democrat president with cratering poll numbers and total incompetence. There’s desperation to keep talking about Trump, but never about his successes. Stop dutifully parroting the party line while a cognitively impaired President left to the tender mercies of terrorists the US citizens, Special Immigrant Visa Holders, and even 777 Special Mission Wing and their families whom he abandoned in Afghanistan in one of the most bungled military operations in modern times. Thank God for military veterans and volunteers who successfully brought hundreds home, risking their lives to make up for Biden’s mistakes.

        1. “Anonymous – not following through on a campaign promise is not the same as lying. ”

          Depends on the campaign promise.
          Trump never, ever introduced a replacement for the ACA. Ever. He was lying that he had something better. If he’d actually had something better, it could have been enacted before the House flipped and helped him win reelection.
          Trump not only did not lower the national debt, it increased by over 30% during his presidency. Over 30%!
          And my comment about the wall wasn’t about building it (which he tried and largely failed to do), but that **Mexico would pay for it**, when Mexico didn’t pay for the wall that was built.

          Take a look at how dishonest Trump was about many things: https://projects.thestar.com/donald-trump-fact-check/

          “That’s what the “Big Lie” is, total propaganda.”

          No, it isn’t. Trump lost the election, and he lies endlessly and dangerously that it was stolen from him. He used his Big Lie to motivate people to come to DC on Jan. 6 to interrupt the certification.

          I don’t talk about things that Trump did well because they pale in comparison to how dangerous he was and continues to be. He is a dictator-wannabe. I am not parroting anything. I believe it because I listened to HIM.

        2. Karen: you’ve just got to stop lying about Trump deserving credit for setting some kind of speed record for the COVID vaccine. mRNA technology has been under develo9pment for decades and Trump hat nothing to do with development of this science. All he did was hand taxpayer money to Pfizer, Moderna and J & J to purchase equipment to speed production, and he committed to purchasing vaccine even if it turned out to not be effective. That’s it. You say his “forte” is clearing red tape and streamlining. Where did you get this one? NO ONE can “streamline” clinical testing for safety and efficacy. The test vaccine is administered to human volunteers who are then evaluated for side-effects and have their blood serially tested to determine the quantity and durability of antibody response. Trump did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to speed along the EUA process, because the FDA approval process relies on OUTSIDE experts to make recommendations. He didn’t “fire up” manufacturing logistics, either. Scientists come up with the process for producing vaccine after they find a formulation that is both safe and effective, they determined whether freezing or refrigeration is necessary, how long after thawing the vaccine is stable, they determine the dosage and figure out how to get the dosage at about 1/2 cc in volume that doesn’t cause excess tissue inflammation due to the inert ingredients or excess volume Trump had nothing to do with this, either.. There was a shortage of syringes and PPE, but Trump did nothing to solve this problem. And, when Biden came into office, his administration confirmed that Trump had NO plan for vaccine distribution–they had not gathered information on the ultra-cold storage facilities or trucks needed for the Pfizer vaccine, where such freezers were, whether more were needed, when and how to set up vaccination clinics or anything else. Stop lying about this.

          People are NOT thinking about a border wall. That’s your fantasy. Illegals can breach the wall, which has been documented numerous times. Trump’s harsh treatment of illegals–separating children from their parents and caging them like animals–caused many to wait. Those still south of the border are lied to by coyotes who tell them that Biden will let them in, and THAT’S why there is a surge at the border. Trump is indirectly responsible for this, too.

          I don’t know where you got the lie about Trump’s attack against Biden’s win in Pennsylvania was a strong case that Giuliani botched. That’s just not true. There was NO evidence of widespread voter fraud in Pennsylvania. Trump lost because Pennsylvanians didn’t want him, like most Americans. You claim that “ballots were subjected to different legal standards”. I’m an attorney and I have no idea what this means–riddle me this: does that mean that the votes were illegal or fraudulent? If so, prove it. If there was real proof, courts would not have dismissed the cases. Your alt-right media is now attacking Giuliani because Trump is attacking him, blaming him for his loss, just like he blames everyone when something doesn’t go his way, and also because he doesn’t want to pay Giuliani. Giuliani has had his law license suspended for lying on Trump’s behalf, and Trump threw him under the bus, just like he does with everyone who doesn’t do his bidding. Ask Michael Cohen.

          You say The Big Lie is propaganda to deflect away from Biden’s allegedly “cratering” poll numbers. Trump started the Big Lie on Election Day–before all of the votes were even tallied. He had an elections expert on his campaign who told him in advance that the in-person votes would look good for him, but the absentee and mail-in ballots would NOT look good. Therefore, he was told to expect that the numbers would show him winning or pulling even as results first came in, but his numbers would start dropping as the mail and absentee ballots results were reported, and that’s exactly what did happen. When the numbers started dropping, Trump had a panic attack, and immediately demanded that states stop counting votes, because there just HAD to be fraud involved. How could his “beautiful” lead start vanishing into thin air? He went into full attack mode when Fox called Arizona for Biden, and had everyone try to reach Murdoch and his family members, demanding that they reverse the call for Biden. Murdoch refused. Giuliani told Trump to just simply announce that he had won, which he did about 2:00 a.m. the next morning. The next day, Trump started saying that his landslide victory was “stolen” by Democrats, and then he went on the “Stop the Steal” campaign rally tours, and still refuses to concede. When the court challenges failed due to lack of evidence, his last-ditch effort to retain the power he cheated to get was to rile up the faithful to “fight like hell”, promising that it was going to be “wild”. This IS what happened, so how on earth could The Big Lie be based on Biden’s allegedly “cratering” poll numbers when Trump started The Big Lie on election night, and he hasn’t dropped it since despite all recounts, certification by all 50 Secretaries of State and the humiliating Arizona “forensic audit? Trump never obtained even a 50% approval rating, all polls predicted his loss, and Trump began whining about getting “cheated”, so in response to the poor polls, the Republican party had poll watchers at every single polling place in this country. The election was the most-secure in US history, so says Chris Krebs, Trump’s own head of cybersecurity, who was fired for no going along with the Big Lie. Bill Barr also said so, and he also got the axe.

          Trump had NO “successes” other than the tax cut for the wealthy. His effort to overturn Obamacare flopped, and everything he did was by Executive Order. Where is the proof that Biden is “cognitively impaired”? No matter how many times Hannity throws this out as if it is an established fact, it’s still a lie. Biden was handed one of the worst messes any president in recent history was left to deal with, all due to Trump’s incompetence: a pandemic out of control with no concrete plans for vaccine storage, distribution or administration, an economy in deep recession due to illness and factories shutting down due to decreased consumer demand, children experiencing depression and anxiety in record numbers due to losing a year of school and socialization due to the Trump Pandemic out of control, a deal with the Taliban to release 5,000 of their prisoners, to draw down our troops from 14,000 to 2,500, no plans for an airbase or other presence in Afghanistan, and no plan for withdrawal of citizens or our allies. Biden didn’t “abandon” anyone: Trump did.

      2. Just a compendium of propaganda slogans and other useless drivel. I would say you were brainwashed but it probably only took a “light rinse”

  3. Why Was Cohen Trump’s Lawyer??

    For years Donald Trump was New York’s best-known real estate developers. And for years Donald Trump was nationally known as the star of an NBC Reality Show.

    So why did a man of Trump’s prominence retain a lawyer like Michael Cohen?? Cohen, for the record, hardly had the pedigree to be serving such a famous client. Cohen, in fact, was a one-man firm of modest origins that came to serve only Trump while Cohen himself dabbled in the taxi business.

    One should note that until the Stormy Daniel’s scandal then President Trump still referred to Cohen as his attorney. Yet one can clearly see that Cohen was nothing one than a common shyster.

  4. Mummy and daddy must be apoplectic watching your paltry and churlish attempt to disparage your superior, as you “twist” the truth.

    “We raised you better!”

    Oops!
    _____

    “I’m pleased to see that my old friend Christopher Steele, a/k/a Austin Powers, has crawled out of the pub long enough to make up a few more stories.”

    “I eagerly await his next secret dossier which proves the existence of Bigfoot, the Loch Ness Monster and that Elvis is still alive.”

    – Michael Cohen
    _____________

    “…in April 2016, Hillary…and…(DNC) hired Fusion GPS to investigate Trump,…”

    “…Free Beacon stopped its backing in May 2016.”

    In October 2015, Fusion GPS was contracted by conservative political website The Washington Free Beacon to provide general opposition research on Trump and other Republican presidential candidates. Separately, in April 2016, an attorney for Hillary Clinton’s campaign and the Democratic National Committee (DNC) hired Fusion GPS to investigate Trump, while the Free Beacon stopped its backing in May 2016.[7] In June 2016, Fusion GPS subcontracted Steele’s firm to compile the dossier. DNC officials denied knowing their attorney had contracted with Fusion GPS, and Steele asserted he was not aware the Clinton campaign was the recipient of his research until months after he contracted with Fusion GPS.[19][20]

    – Wiki
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    PREVARICATION MADE OF STEELE

    “Probably – I wouldn’t put 100% certainty on it.”

    “Mueller’s report concluded that a number of Steele’s claims could not be proven, including the alleged prostitute actions.”

    When asked why Russia never released the tape, Steele said, “It hasn’t needed to be released … I think the Russians felt they’d got pretty good value out of Donald Trump when he was president of the U.S.”

    “I’m prepared to accept that not everything in the dossier is 100 percent accurate,” Steele said in the interview. “I have yet to be convinced that that is one of them.”

    “Do you think it hurts your credibility at all that you won’t accept the findings of the FBI in this particular case?” Stephanopoulos asked Steele while referring to the Cohen case.

    “I’m prepared to accept that not everything in the dossier is 100 percent accurate,” Steele said in the interview. “I have yet to be convinced that that is one of them.”

    Michael Cohen: “I’m pleased to see that my old friend Christopher Steele, a/k/a Austin Powers, has crawled out of the pub long enough to make up a few more stories,” told ABC News. “I eagerly await his next secret dossier which proves the existence of Bigfoot, the Loch Ness Monster and that Elvis is still alive.”
    ________________________________________________________________________________________________

    “Author of controversial Trump Russia dossier speaks out: ‘I stand by the work we did'”

    Christopher Steele, the former MI6 agent behind the controversial “Steele Dossier” that gathered intel on possible links between former President Trump and Russia, has defended himself and his work against critics in his first televised interview. In an interview with ABC News, Steele opened up about the 17 reports he wrote that that make up the controversial document, which included unsubstantiated claims that Trump’s campaign conspired with Russian agents to influence the 2016 U.S. election.

    “I stand by the work we did, the sources that we had, and the professionalism which we applied to it,” Steele told ABC News in an upcoming documentary, “Out of the Shadows: The Man Behind the Steele Dossier.”

    In an interview that aired on “This Week with George Stephanopoulos,” Steele said that he stands by the dossier and added that he believes the “kompromat” tape that allegedly shows Trump ordering prostitutes to urinate on a bed in Russia in 2013 “probably” exists.

    “Do you still believe that this tape exists?” Stephanopoulos asked him.

    “I think it probably does, but I would not put 100 percent certainty on it,” he added.

    When asked why Russia never released the tape, Steele said, “It hasn’t needed to be released … I think the Russians felt they’d got pretty good value out of Donald Trump when he was president of the U.S.”

    Steele’s report was heavily involved in the FBI’s investigation into Trump’s Russian ties that led to an investigation by former special counsel Robert Mueller.

    Mueller’s report concluded that a number of Steele’s claims could not be proven, including the alleged prostitute actions. The report also highlighted a claim in the dossier that former Trump fixer Michael Cohen had met with Russian officials in Prague in 2016, saying that it was untrue.

    “Do you think it hurts your credibility at all that you won’t accept the findings of the FBI in this particular case?” Stephanopoulos asked Steele while referring to the Cohen case.

    “I’m prepared to accept that not everything in the dossier is 100 percent accurate,” Steele said in the interview. “I have yet to be convinced that that is one of them.”

    Cohen, who is in prison and has worked with investigators on their investigations into Trump, responded to Steele’s comments.

    “I’m pleased to see that my old friend Christopher Steele, a/k/a Austin Powers, has crawled out of the pub long enough to make up a few more stories,” told ABC News. “I eagerly await his next secret dossier which proves the existence of Bigfoot, the Loch Ness Monster and that Elvis is still alive.”

    – The Hill

  5. The authoritarian collective is running hot today, Turley throws another what-if and the cult go’s crazy. Turley’s spin and pretzel logic always inflames those who want it all to be true, and Turley uses it very effectively. If anything Cohen is protecting Cohen, he stuck his neck out for Trump and all can see what that got him.

  6. Just to explain how this sort of interview comes about, Mickey Mouse News was not “given an interview” by Christopher Steele. Clinton’s PR people — probably including Fusion GPS people — are doing a rehabilitation campaign after the drubbing they and Steele took from Nunes (outed that Clinton paid Steele for these fabrications), the FBI (fired Steele), some Russian guys who are suing Steele in the UK, Mueller (never mentioned Steele), and Horowitz. Clinton went to his former lackey Stephanopolus, anchor at Mickey Mouse News, who put together this terrible show. But even Mickey Mouse News thought the whole thing was so unnewsworthy that rather than putting the pro-Steele/Clinton propaganda on its network on primetime 20/20 like Clinton wanted or even on its afterhours but networked Nightline, MMN put it on their third string streaming service.

    1. According to the Turely post, the Russian guy won the law suit against Steele in the UK. Wonder if that was mentioned by Mickey Mouse News?

    2. “the FBI (fired Steele)”

      Steele wasn’t an employee of the FBI.

      “Mueller (never mentioned Steele)”

      Steele is mentioned over a dozen times in Vol. 2. That Volume even quotes a Trump statement about the Steele dossier.

      1. Steele wasn’t an employee of the FBI.

        The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act documents released on July 21 after a FOIA lawsuit from USA Today show the government informing the court that the FBI had “suspended its relationship” with Christopher Steele. Steele is the former British spy who was the Justice Department’s “Source #1” for its warrant applications targeting Carter Page

          1. FBI CHS dont get paid? The men the FBI organized and trained to plan the kidnapping of Gov of Michigan would disagree with you. One man was paid more then he had ever earned before.

            1. Only some FBI sources are designated as CHSs. For example, all of the people who’ve provided info to the FBI to help them identify the insurrectionists are sources, but I doubt most of them have CHS designation. Sometimes sources are paid (whether through an advance arrangement or with reward money for info that helps the FBI identify and arrest someone), but often they are not.

              The MI case is irrelevant to the FBI’s relationship with Steele. If you want to argue that they paid him for the dossier, present evidence for it. Your word is worthless. You can’t even bring yourself to admit you’re wrong when given evidence that you’re wrong, such as your wild lies that Kilimnik’s name wasn’t in the Mueller report and that the word “image” is meaningless when it comes to images of hard drives.

      2. Sigh. Steele was “employed” by the FBI as a source whether he was on the books or not. I don’t recall Mr. Mueller “mentioning” Steele during his oral testimony, which is likely what was meant.

        1. The FBI chose not to continue using Steele as a source, but sources aren’t fired, because sources are not employees. “Fired” is a false characterization.

          “I don’t recall Mr. Mueller “mentioning” Steele during his oral testimony, which is likely what was meant.”

          But if you actually checked his oral testimony, you’d find that Mueller mentioned Steele, and others mentioned Steele in their questions to Mueller.

          For example:

          Mueller: “The department has released the letter discussing the restrictions of my testimony. I, therefore, will not be able to answer questions about certain areas that I know are of public interest. For example, I am unable to address questions about the initial opening of the FBI’s Russia investigation which occurred months before my appointment or matters related to the so-called Steele dossier. These matters are subject of ongoing review by the department. Any questions on these topics should, therefore, be directed to the FBI or the Justice Department.”

          Rep. Stefanik: Was the Steele dossier one of those documents that was reviewed.
          Mueller: Yes, and I can’t discuss that case.
          Stefanik: I’m just asking a process question. Have you read the Steele dossier?
          Mueller: Yes, and again I’m not going to respond to that.
          Stefanik: Did the special counsel’s office undertake any efforts to investigate and verify or disprove allegations contained in the Steele dossier?
          Mueller: Again, I can’t respond.

          1. “The FBI chose not to continue using Steele as a source, but sources aren’t fired, because sources are not employees. “Fired” is a false characterization.”

            This guy doesn’t want to discuss. He obstructs discussion because he isn’t intelligent enough to use the facts available. If that fails, he will start checking the placement of commas. He is unable to debate as educated people do.

            We all understand what happened to Steele and that he wasn’t a member of the FBI. When one can’t debate, skip the debate and parse words or correct commas. That is ATS, Anonymous the Stupid.

            By the way, ATS, when you say “The FBI chose not to,” you should get it through your head that the FBI doesn’t choose anything. It is inanimate.

            ATS, do you now see how your game works and how stupid it is?

          2. I fired my yard man. How could I do that, if he is an independent contractor? “Fired” is a common term used to mean that you chose to terminate the relationship whereby you compensated someone, but no longer wish to “employ” their services. When you argue semantics, you have no argument as to fact.

            1. You only say that you fired the independent contractor if you terminated him in advance of the normal end of the contract. Otherwise, say with someone you only hire for the summer and that you choose not to hire again, you only say that you chose not to hire them again.

              When you dismiss semantics, you dismiss meaning, which is a subset of fact. You can hand someone a $10 bill and claim that it’s a $100 bill, but 10 and 100 don’t mean the same thing.

              1. “When you dismiss semantics, you dismiss meaning, which is a subset of fact.”

                Dumb. When one plays the word games and the semantics of Anonymous the Stupid one is no longer dealing in discussion. One is dealing with a Stupid person who can’t argue his way out of a paper bag.

                1. Allan S. Meyer, the person who posted the 9:32 AM comment, is obsessed with criticizing anonymous commenters on the left. But his criticisms invariably describe Allan much better than they describe the people he attacks.

                  1. Anonymous the stupid, we can go back in time and see what you said about other major events that were wrong. What did you do when you found out. You either blamed another anonymous or your played word games like you are doing in this mini thread.

                    I’ll provide an example of one discussion where you were completely wrong. The truth is now released. Let us here your admission of guilt, not your word games.
                    —–

                    NIH changes story, confirms it funded Wuhan experiment that made bat coronavirus more dangerous

                    Key scientist says admission shows that top administrators, including former NIH Director Francis Collins and NIAID Director Dr. Anthony Fauci, “lied to Congress, lied to the press, and lied to the public” in denying NIH funded gain-of-function research in Wuhan.

                    Cont: https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/nih-confirms-it-funded-gain-function-virus-research-wuhan-calls-it?utm_source=daily&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter

                    1. “I’ll provide an example of one discussion where you were completely wrong.”

                      But you haven’t linked to a previous comment of *mine* that you’re asserting was “completely wrong.”

                      Perhaps you’re going to do what you did last time you accused me of saying something but then ran away from providing actual evidence: you’ll insist that you already provided evidence at some unspecified time in the past, but you won’t link to any comment of mine where I said what you allege, and you also won’t link to a comment of yours where you provided the alleged evidence. Here is one of the many comments in our recent exchange of this sort where you ran away from ever providing a link to a statement confirming your allegation: https://jonathanturley.org/2021/10/12/go-fund-me-takes-down-fundraising-campaign-for-litigation-over-vaccine-mandate/comment-page-2/#comment-2130011

                      “Let us here your admission of guilt”

                      Right after you provide actual evidence for your new allegation, by linking to the comment of mine from some past discussion of gain of function research that you believe proves me guilty of something.

                    2. “But you haven’t linked to a previous comment of *mine* that you’re asserting was “completely wrong.”

                      ATS you were wrong on the most important issues. There is no need to link to your comments. You will never admit to being the Anonymous that made big foolish mistakes on a regular basis. When the discussion about fascism being good for the little people, you claimed it was another anonymous. You did the same when we discussed Cuomo. We should include all your errors and lies having to do with Russia, Ukraine, impeachment and everything else you felt free to lie about. After all, according to you, there are lots of anonymous persons, so they must have been the ones to make those comments. Unfortunately that isn’t true and we can expect nothing different from you because you are a liar.

                      As an anonymous figure, you can always claim it was another anonymous. That makes it your job to prove everyone else wrong.

                    3. No, Allan, it’s not my job to prove you wrong. You haven’t proved that any Anonymous commenter said what you’re alleging. You assert it without proof, and I dismiss it without that proof.

                    4. “No, Allan, it’s not my job to prove you wrong.”

                      You are an anonymous commenter who blames other anonymous persons for his lies and Stupidity. You don’t have to prove anything. Even though I have proven some of these comments to have been made. We have all observed you for years. Lie, cheat and steal is you motto. Blame someone else is your game. You even use identifiable icons at times to add to your voice. It’s all in the archives and we see you repeating your lies and errors on a daily basis.

                      Why would I care if you don’t prove yourself correct? You can’t is one reason. The other is you are a known liar. That is all we need to know.

                  2. ATS, you deserve all the criticism you get and more because of your frequent errors, lies, omissions and word games. If you acted in a more normal fashion you wouldn’t face such problems. You must be a masochist or a leftist that will do anything to hurt this nation.

    3. Why did Steele go on the Stephanopolis show? Why , to rehabilitate his resume; work must be drying up as he has demonstrated that he is an unreliable source.

      It’s all about the money

    4. I apologize to all the real readers and commenters on this blog and its comments section. I am the author of the words “fired Steele” posted about 50 comments ago, after which 10 guys all named Anonymous argued with each other about its meaning (or maybe one guy named Anonymous argued with himself or herself 10 times). Best I can tell, all the people NOT named Anonymous who replied to Anonymous understood what “fired Steele” meant and more important understood its context as it was only two words in a 75-word comment.

      Isn’t it odd that none of the Anonyimi seemed to care about the context: that Nunes outed the fact that Clinton paid Steele (yes, indirectly if you want to parse that 50 more times, Anonymous) and that Horowitz debunked everything Steele said other than that Prague is in the Czech Republic.

      Those were the other two factoids in that eight-word string in a 75-word comment. The overall comment pointed out that Dr. Turley is not commenting on a real news effort here. That Hulu crap by Mickey Mouse News was just crank propaganda put together by the same people who put the Steele dossier together and broadcast by the same fake news people who brought you Russiagate

  7. Steele is a liar and a grifter. I be am not moved by anything he says. The true story here is that Snugglufagus, the useful idiot, bought it (figuratively and literally) and tried to resell it to America.
    This is what passes for journalism today.

      1. “the government we presently have is the one the Founding Fathers sought to prevent by writing the US Constitution”

        And the Trump Administration even moreso.

  8. “We’ll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false.”

    – William Casey, CIA Director 1981-1987

          1. There were many so-called Republicans in the bureaucracy that did all sorts of unethical and illegal things that benefited the bureaucratic state. The only thing is that the Democrats of today are worse and do not care about the country.

            Decline is a choice. It is a Democrat choice. That was not always so.

  9. Jonathan – Are you accepting everything Cohen says about Trump now as true? Or just the stuff that helps Trump?

    Because I would be willing to accept Cohen’s claim about no Prague meeting as true if you would accept everything else he says about Trump to be true. And if everything Cohen says about Trump is true Trump should be imprisoned for a long time.

    1. They are not just relying on Cohen telling the truth. They looked and found no evidence that Cohen traveled to Prague. You can’t hide the fact that you traveled outside of the country especially when you know the time frame. I do not believe Steele or Cohen unless an assertion is backed by some other reliable evidence found or not found in the 2 year investigation. The story is debunked. Now let’s look at Hunter-Joe Biden shared bank account and ties with China and Russia for the next 2 years.

    2. “Because I would be willing to accept Cohen’s claim about no Prague meeting as true if you would accept everything else he says about Trump to be true.”

      We have another poster saying the things Jeff says, strange.

    3. Junio, no one is taking Cohen’s word about anything.

      The allegation that Cohen met with Russians in Prague has been discredited because there is ZERO evidence that he did. Not only did Cohen deny it, but there were no travel records, passport evidence, plane logs, or a period of missing time.

      If Cohen had learned how to teleport or manipulate the space/time continuum, then he’d either be the richest man on the planet, or working for either the Avengers or Hydra. If he were working for the Avengers, then obviously Black Widow was running a play to sabotage the Ruskies using him as Dr Strange. If he were working for Hydra, and had these abilities, then all of Earth would be under his dominion.

    4. Are you accepting everything Cohen says about Trump

      Each statement is taken individual and weighted by the history to the person making the statement and defining what their self interests are.

      If a person makes a statement that does not support their self interest that increase the probability of the statement being truthful.

      1. “If a person makes a statement that does not support their self interest that increase the probability of the statement being truthful.”

        How is it in a person’s rational self-interest to lie? A lie puts the liar at war with reality, and causes the person chaos and confusion. A lie undermines a person’s self-confidence and self-esteem.

        A selfless person, on the other hand, is motivated to lie — as a policy. It’s called a “noble” lie (ala Fauci) — one that is supposedly justified because it’s for the “good” of others. “Will it please you if I lie about your clothing, your looks, your moral character? Fine. I’ll lie. Will it please others if I (falsely) agree with them? Fine. I’ll lie.” “Will it make others happy if I keep quiet (a lie by omission) about my beliefs? Fine. I’ll lie.”

        You have the equation exactly backwards.

        1. It’s silly to think that one can paint with a broad brush like that. Sometimes it’s in someone’s self-interest to lie (e.g., to avoid jail), and other times it isn’t. Sometimes it’s in the interest of others that someone lies (e.g., a “noble” lie), and other times it isn’t. Sometimes it’s both (e.g., lie told on behalf of a mob boss by an underling, which protects the boss and also protects the underling from being harmed by the boss).

          “the probability of the statement being truthful” is increased when the teller has a history of being truthful.

          1. “It’s silly to think that one can paint with a broad brush like that.”

            You mean like you just did?

            1. You’re right, there are times when it’s accurate rather than silly to paint with a broad brush. But your original comment isn’t one of them. I overgeneralized. So did you. I have no problem admitting when I actually make mistakes. You should do the same.

              1. Except that if you retain the context — a brief blog comment — you’d realize that my comment was *not* a mistake. On the other hand, if (to switch the context) I had made that statement (and only that statement) in a 10,000-word essay or a book on honesty, then that would be a “mistake.”

                Context is everything. And you have a habit of dropping it.

    5. Are you accepting everything Cohen says about Trump now as true?

      Turley’s point was clear; Cohen took every opportunity to get Trump and he was only believable on matters that he couldn’t lie about, like proving he had ever traveled to Prague.

      1. “Cohen took every opportunity to get Trump ”

        No, he only took opportunities that didn’t implicate Cohen himself in crimes. Cohen is not keen on going back to jail for additional crimes.

        1. Your comment sounds foolish since the prosecutor wanted Cohen to go after Trump and that is how deals are made. It was in Cohen’s best interest to implicate Trump as much as possible. All sorts of deals are made in these cases even though you are unaware of these things.

  10. These people (leftists) need to be excommunicated from society. It’s to the point where it’s no longer annoying or aggravating, it is now dangerous. I cannot believe I’m saying this, but.. “TRUMP 2024, MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!”.

    1. If we had to choose the one American who is most dangerous to our democracy right now, that would be Trump. He was trying to carry out a self-coup after the 2020 election. He could not bear that Biden won. Trump wanted to install himself as the unelected President. He tried to pressure Pence into installing him, and he incited insurrectionists to come to DC on Jan. 6 to prevent Congress from certifying the EC vote for Biden.

      Trump is a con-artist supreme, and he should be charged and tried for his crimes.

      1. “If we had to choose the one American who is most dangerous to our democracy right now, that would be”???

        Biden.

        Joe takes cash from Ukraine, Russia and China. He gives cash to the Taliban. What does he get in return? Biden is the real danger in almost all ways possible. Right now he is intent on destroying America. He votes for America’s decline. Just look at Afghanistan. Then look at what he is doing to our economy.
        —–
        Taliban to give cash and land to families of suicide bombers who killed Americans

        The Taliban announced the decision in a tweet from the organization’s Interior Minister, calling the bombers “martyrs” who died in service to Islam.

        …”The minister, Sirajuddin Haqqani, is a designated terrorist by the United States, and carries a $10 million bounty for information leading to his capture. He hosted a ceremony on Monday in Kabul to honor suicide bombers who killed thousands of U.S. and allied troops in Afghanistan.”

        Cont: https://justthenews.com/world/middle-east/taliban-reward-families-suicide-bombers-who-killed-americans?utm_source=daily&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter

        1. S. Meyer,
          I dont think Biden himself is actually trying to do anything.
          He is clearly not all there mentally.
          He is doing what his handlers are telling him to do/say.
          Thing is, I dont think they have any idea of what is going on either.
          They promised us, “The adults are back in the room!” Seems to me, no one is in the room, to include Harris. I dont think anyone wants to be responsible for any of this train wreck. The only thing they do know is, “We are not Trump!” And do everything opposite of Trump.
          Hence, the on-going train wreck.
          In slow motion.

          1. “He is clearly not all there mentally.
            He is doing what his handlers are telling him to do/say.”

            Upstate, we completely agree, but he chooses his handlers and his signature is what counts. He never was good in foreign policy and generally poor in domestic policy. Special interests always guided what he did.

      2. And yet for all his so called authoritarian tendencies Trump never ordered American citizens to do anything.
        He never yelled at us and told us he was losing patience with us.
        Funny how that works.

        1. ti317,
          That right there.
          The Biden admin has succeeded in 9 months what MSM cried Trump was (falsely) of doing.

          I am former military. Still have friends who are in. They have never experience this kind of tyranny. Morale is low.

        2. So you think the hundreds of Executive Orders and Administrative Orders that Trump signed didn’t order any Americans to do anything, got it.

          1. Donald Trump put America and Americans first. Trash him all you want, Trump was not part of the Washington establishment and the swamp creatures hated and feared him.

      3. Anonymous:

        Let me get this straight. Trump’s Administration negotiated multiple Middle East peace deals that weren’t supposed to have been possible, broke all records getting a vaccine to FDA Emergency Use Authorization during a global pandemic in a time frame that was declared impossible, had the lowest unemployment ever recorded for blacks, gave almost all middle class taxpayers a significant tax break, and engaged in no new wars…and you think he’s the most dangerous person to our democracy?

        Meanwhile, evidence mounts that Joe Biden’s son Hunter sold access and special treatment to foreign governments, store shelves are empty because of the backup in container ships, he broke his promise about mandates, airplanes can’t get staffing due to those mandates, the economy is tanking, North Korea, China, and Iran are becoming more dangerous at a nuclear level, Joe Biden appears to be having serious cognitive difficulty and keeps telling Americans that he’ll “get in trouble” if he answers certain questions, Iran is moments away from having a nuclear bomb…and you’re not concerned?

        Trump explored the legal options available to him and discussed his concerns about election fraud with his inner circle, including Pence. However, he left at the appointed time, even though there is a mountain of evidence that the FBI abused its authority in a soft coup (Russia hoax), and Giuliani flubbed a very strong case about Pennsylvania violating the equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment (same as in Bush v Gore), by going off the rails on issues that only affected a small fraction of voters.

        Trump can want what he wants, just like you can. It’s actions that matter. Seems like you want to prosecute thought crimes.

        Remember when Maxine Watters whipped up mobs? Remember when Kamala Harris said they should continue? Meanwhile Trump called for peaceful protest, and he’s the guy you want to prosecute?

        Your ethics could use a refurbishing.

        1. There she goes again. For what I hope is the last time, there were NO Middle East “peace deals” obtained by Trump. Jared put together formalization of trade agreements between Israel and UAE, Bahrain and others, but Israel and these others had ALREADY been trading for years. What “war” did the nonexistent “peace deals” resolve? None. It can’t be a “peace agreement” if it didn’t accomplish a peaceful resolution of a conflict. So, stop lying and exaggerating about these trade agreements and trying to turn them into something they never were.

          Trump did NOTHING to get the vaccine out, other than redirect taxpayer money so Pfizer, Moderna and Johnson & Johnson could purchase more equipment to develop and produce vaccine. The science behind the vaccines has been under development for years. Trump had nothing to do with that. He agreed to purchase the vaccine even if it didn’t get approval. There were no “speed records” set for getting out the vaccine, either. The FDA Advisory Panel requires proof of efficacy and safety in testing on human volunteers for a minimal period of time before even allowing EUA. In fact, all of the vaccines are still under investigation to determine long-term efficacy and whether there are future problems. Full clinical anaylsis of long-term immune protection takes years, something that moron you worship doesn’t understand, and that’s what he’s referring to when he claims scientists told him it couldn’t be done. The vaccines still haven’t been approved for children under 12, because they are still being studied, so the scientists are right, and Trump is wrong. Stop lying about this, too. You adopt his braggadocious lying as fact, which it isn’t.

          Trump is also lying about the black unemployment rate when he claims credit for it. Trump inherited a booming economy from Obama that Obama created from the ashes of Bush’s disasterous presidency. In short order, Trump turned around the highly successful economy he inherited into the worst recession since the Great Depression, due to his botched handling of the pandemic, his stupid trade war with China and tax breaks for the wealthy. The middle class did NOT mostly benefit from the tax cuts–the ultra-wealthy did. Stop lying about this. You say he engaged in “no new wars”–so what? He screwed up the winding down of the war in Afghanistan badly, which Republicans are trying to blame Biden for. He released 5,000 Taliban prisoners, he drew down troops from 14,000 to 2,500, didn’t agree to a continuing presence or air base in Afghanistan, and didn’t involve the Afghanistans in negotiations, which led to them being demoralized and surrendering, all of which caused the problems with the withdrawal from Afghanistan. And, don’t forget that Stephen Miller intentionally delayed approval of SIV visas because he is Islamophobic.

          The economy is NOT tanking–in fact, it is growing at an historic rate. And the supply-chain problems that are causing higher prices are the direct result of the economy being essentially shut down due to the Trump pandemic that he allowed to get out of control by lying about it, downplaying it, creating diversions by lying about Hydroxychloroquine and refusing to wear or require masks to be worn. You cannot turn around an economy in an instant. Factories had to shut down because of illness and because of lower consumer demand due to unemployment. Reversing this will take time. Cleaning up the Trump mess will take a long time.

          Do you think that N. Korea and China JUST now, since Biden became President, came up with these weapons? How is this something to blame Biden for? China and N. Korea understood full well that Trump is an idiot, and they knew how to play him by flattery, appealing to his massive ego. Joe Biden is not senile no matter how many times Hannity, et al try to claim he is. And, the “Hunter Biden scandal” is a nothingburger. There is NO scandal. Giuliani did not “flub” a good case in Pennsylvania–something else you were told on alt-right media and so you believe it. His challenge is NOT like Bush v. Gore, either. Trump LOST Pennsylvania, Georgia, Arizona, Wisconsin and Michigan. He needs to get over it and so do you.

          Yes, Trump is the most dangerous threat to democracy in America. He has proven it time and time again–beginning with cheating to get into office, losing the 2020 election, trying to bully Republican states to award him votes cast for Biden, and, after losing dozens of lawsuits, fomenting an insurrection to try to prevent Pence from accepting and counting the certified votes from each state. He only threw in the “peaceful protest” language after telling the faithful losers to “fight like hell”, and holding numerous vainglory rallies. He was impeached twice for malfeasance in office, and is under investigation for election fraud in Georgia, for tax fraud in New York State and has numerous lawsuits against him for allowing protesters to be beaten in front of Trump Tower, and for sexually assaulting E. Jean Carroll and Summer Zervos. He still refuses to accept the will of the American people. He keeps perpetrating the Big LIe, and fools like you fall for it, along with his other lies about his nonexistent “successes”. Trump only left the White House after he was told, in no uncertain terms, that the Capitol Police would forcefully eject him and the stripper if they didn’t leave voluntarily. However, like the unpopular sore loser he is, he refused to attend Biden’s inauguration and still won’t shut up or go away. Now because they know that most Americans don’t support them and that this is the only way to hold onto power, Republicans are trying to change election laws to allow valid votes to be switched, just like Trump tried to get Brad Raffensberger to do in Georgia. If that should happen, America would no longer be a democracy. Republicans don’t care.

          1. “The economy is NOT tanking–in fact, it is growing at an historic rate.”

            The worst inflation in some 30 years. Empty store shelves. Skyrocketing energy prices. (Prepare for a winter sticker shock.) Tanking job growth.

            Just like with Afghanistan and the border: With a straight face, declare that your failures are successes.

            P.S. There are now more Covid deaths under Biden (after vaccines and therapeutics) then there were under Trump. Where’s the Covid doomsday clock?

        2. Karen, the danger of Trump is judged based on his **worst** actions, not his reasonable or even laudable actions.

          Merriam-Webster defines an insurrection as “an act or instance of revolting against civil authority or an established government.” That occurred at the Capitol on January 6.

          – They were there at Trump’s behest: he chose the date/time/place to coincide with Congress’s certification of the Electoral College vote, he falsely told them that the election had been stolen and they needed to “stop the steal,” he falsely told them that Mike Pence could stop the certification, he encouraged them to go to the Capitol and falsely told them he’d go with them, he told them in advance that it would be “wild” and on 1/6 told them that they needed to “fight like hell.” He was explicit about wanting to prevent the certification, and many of those arrested have stated that they believed they were doing Trump’s bidding in attempting that. They were trying to prevent the peaceful transfer of power.
          – Some of the protesters brought weapons and wore body armor, some were coordinating with each other during the insurrection, some were literally wearing shirts that said “MAGA Civil War, January 6, 2021.” I excerpted some of the relevant testimony about weapons here: https://jonathanturley.org/2021/10/19/joe-biden-and-the-disappearing-elephant-how-to-make-a-full-sized-scandal-vanish-in-front-of-an-audience-of-millions/comment-page-1/#comment-2130226
          – Some of the people built a gallows outside the Capitol, looking for Mike Pence and saying things like:
          “Mike Pence, we’re coming for you too, f—ing traitor.”
          “Hang Mike Pence. Hang Mike Pence. Hang Mike Pence. Hang Mike Pence.”
          “They’ve got the gallows set up outside the Capitol Building. It’s time to start f—ing using them.”
          “Start making a list. Put all those names down, and we start hunting them down one by one.”
          A number also bragged on social media that they would kill liberal members of Congress. Although I don’t think most of the protesters were there to murder anyone, I believe that if some of them had captured Pence, Pelosi, and some others, that subset of protesters would have tried to kill Pence and those members of Congress. You may believe differently.
          – If you didn’t watch the testimony of four of the LE officers under oath before Congress, I encourage you to watch it on Cspan. Those officers referred to the violent protesters as “terrorists.” When asked why, Officer Hodges said “I came prepared: U.S. Code, Title 18, part one, chapter 113B (as in brown), section 2331. ‘The term domestic terrorism means (A) activities that involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State, and (B) appear to be intended to intimidate or coerce a civilian population or to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion, or to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping and occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States.’”

          Would you agree that there was a subset of protesters there who were engaged in acts that endangered officers’ lives and appeared intended to coerce Congress into refusing to certify the EC vote — the peaceful transfer of power that’s essential to our remaining a democracy?
          Can you agree with these LE officers that the subset of protesters at the Capitol on Jan. 6 who were violent are domestic terrorists?

          Trump continues to spread the Big Lie that the election was stolen. He attempted to politicize many non-political posts and to rid agencies of people who put their allegiance to the Constitution above any personal loyalty to him. He encouraged his supporters in chanting things like “Lock her up” — not because she’d been convicted of any crime (or even charged with one), but because that’s what he hoped for and found useful in motivating supporters.

          It is these kinds of actions that cause me to consider him dangerous. He is a dictator-wannabe and he has weakened our democracy.

          1. Notice how quiet Trumpsters get when you confront them with facts? Fox, et al and the rest of the Trumpster media have done a good job of indoctrination, including causing the faithful to first disbelieve, and then, to be immune to facts that can’t be denied or spun away, and THAT’S what’s scary and a threat to America and its democracy. Trump and his minions simply refuse to accept the will of the American people, and Republicans do, too, by refusing to vote on any bills put forth by Democrats, or even negotiate for different terms–if they can’t have their way, they don’t play. McConnell simply isn’t going to allow Biden to succeed if he can help it. He even announced this to be his intention when Obama was President–he was going to try to stop Obama from succeeding, even though most Americans voted for Obama and Biden. Republicans are the ones who are not patriotic.

            1. McConnell often puts party and power before country. He and his supporters should be ashamed.

              I think a lot of Trump supporters are in denial: if they admit how awful Trump is, then it would mean that they were dupes, and many can’t cope with having been such dupes. They’ll even shun conservatives who call Trump out. Just look at their response to conservatives like Justin Amash, Liz Cheney, George Conway, Jeff Flake, …

            2. “Notice how quiet Trumpsters get when you confront them with facts?”

              Natacha, since when do you confront anyone with facts. You confront others with a word salad that is non-stop and says nothing.

        3. Karen, it could be worse. It’s not like we have a male pediatrician by the name of Richard Leland Levine wearing a pound of base makeup, tawdry lipstick, with really bad frizzy hair and a BMI of 45 dressed in pumps, serving as a 4 Star Admiral in uniform within the US Public Health Service Commissioned Corps. Oh wait….

          “Arms Race Heats Up: Just As China Reveals Space Nukes, America Responds With Trans Admiral”
          https://babylonbee.com/news/arms-race-heats-up-just-as-china-reveals-space-nukes-america-responds-with-trans-admiral

          WORLD—The arms race is heating up between the U.S. and China. Just last week, China revealed its brand new “space nukes”, which are capable of easily nuking any country on the planet. The United States responded swiftly to the provocation by unveiling the world’s first trans admiral.

          “China, you’ve been warned,” said Biden to a Chinese food delivery person he mistook for President Xi. “Our transgender admiral is fully armed and operational. If you cross us, we will unleash the full fire and fury of this deadly weapon upon you, make no mistake.”

          Military experts say that while a space nuke is somewhat impressive, it pales in comparison to the awesome power of diversity. “With Rachel Levine serving as admiral, nations around the world will bow before the terrifying might of our transgender empowerment,” said General Milley. “We must pursue peace through strength. Strength of inclusivity.”

          Biden insisted that there is no weapon yet conceived that can top Admiral Levine and that he will gladly accept China’s preemptive surrender.

          Admiral Levine was not available for comment as she was getting her prostate examined.

          😉

  11. Off topic:
    Ten year olds and Bitcoins.
    I was at a gathering of stock experts at a place on Wall Street. There was a ten year old boy asking questions of all the motley fool’s about why Bitcoin is bought by anyone in any manner.
    What’s in a Bitcoin? Gold, silver, bits of something valuable at say a pawn shop?
    They couldn’t answer.
    How are they “mined”? Out of the ground?
    No answers.
    Who are “the miners”? No answer.
    Why do they need electricity?
    No answer.

  12. For those committed to power at all costs, wokeness is designed to create tens of millions of permanent psychiatric patients, people who believe insane and unreal things like “men are women,” “printing money doesn’t cause inflation,” “human worth is determined by skin color,” “lockdowns are a sensible public health strategy,” and “true socialism has never been tried.” These false beliefs require enormous energy to prop up, and that’s where the political apparatus of the left comes in.

    Wokeness is about creating a nationwide mental hospital of forever patients who never get better.
    https://thefederalist.com/2021/07/23/wokeness-means-forcing-everyone-to-live-inside-the-prison-of-mental-illness/

    This blog has a handful of these forever patients. There is no such thing as reasoning with them. They are stuck in an alternate reality and no amount of facts and evidence will get them out. The best thing we can do is not enable them. JT will always give them a forum to comment, but we should just leave them be.

    1. “The best thing we can do is not enable them. JT will always give them a forum to comment, but we should just leave them be.”
      ******************
      Amen, Olly. Frustration is the homage stupid pays to better intellects.

  13. Cohen “later wrote a book that called Trump every name in the book and said that he lied for him.”

    I not surprised that you fail to note that Cohen has claimed that Trump committed crimes.

    1. People craving the spotlight make all kinds of unsubstantiated claims. The media and democrats have been making the same claims for the past 5 years… yet Trump, to my knowledge, has never in his life been charged with, much less convicted of, any crime. Too bad for you.

  14. Feds do an early morning raid with media in tow (ala Roger Stone) on Russian oligarch Oleg Deripaska. A man that told the FBI they were trying to make something of nothing in the whole Russia! sham, and knows were more ‘bodies’ are buried, gets the Jilian Assange treatment. At the same time Steele get a huge media interview.
    I think everyone that in a new junkie knows the full truth about Russia! Like som one else noted yesterday, there are no coincidences.This “interview” gives ABC cover to claim they do even handed reporting, and since there was nothing of substance learned, safe to the leftists that make up the propaganda media. A win/win for ABC

      1. The real Fool believes “coincidences” without investigating them…..for with investigation there are explanations for what appear to the naive to be “coincidences”.

        The key is getting past mere appearances….but that is beyond the ability of the Leftist Mind.

        When you allow your emotions to replace logic and reason….that is where you mess up.

        But then….it would take some old fashioned “Smart Pills” for Anonymous to understand the concept.

        It would appear in this particular case it is a case of failed reading comprehension that is his undoing.

        One must determine the facts behind the “coincidence” but alas that requires effort and the ability to use critical thinking skills….something the Left are usually not prepared to do.

        1. Iowan2 said “there are no coincidences.” I called him out on his foolish claim. Some things are coincidences and others aren’t. Investigate away. Just don’t make foolish claims like “there are no coincidences.”

          1. I was going to explain to you that the term is used often by investigators. Investigating connections, and motives, and opportunity. When trying to make sense of the seemingly randomness of the world. Natural scientists understand the world in not random, but very ordered.

            Exactly the circumstances of a post last week and now again.

            Stay stupid, its your life.

            1. No one claimed that everything in the world is random. It isn’t. Some of it is ordered, and some of it isn’t. Some events are coincidences and others aren’t. It makes sense to investigate connections, but it does not in any way make sense to make foolish false claims like “there are no coincidences.”

              If you’re going to speak about natural scientists, understand that entropy is a measure of disorder, and the Second Law of Thermodynamics states that all closed systems tend to maximize entropy — that is, in a closed system, things tend toward disorder. The Earth is not a closed system; we are getting energy from the sun. Also understand that a common saying among scientists is “correlation isn’t causation.”

              “Stay stupid, its your life” describes you better than it does me.

    1. deripaska doesnt own either of the two houses….. and dont forget–derpiaska worked w steele; he worked for mulers fbi on the robert levinson search in iran [and his handler was none other than….andy mccabe!]

  15. CNN and Stephanopoulos intentionally gave Christopher Steele a huge public soapbox to gaslight the people of the United States, the interview was pure unadulterated propaganda aka Democratic Party activism hiding behind a false facade of journalism specifically aimed at manipulating the court of public opinion leading into to the 2022 political campaign season. It seems like the only tactic the Democratic Party has left to campaign with is keeping alive the anti-Trump hate and linking that hate to all Republican politicians.

    1. Republicans are doing their best to prevent Democrats from passing any legislation.

      Trump is doing his best to maintain the GOP as the party of Trump, and the Trump hate will be alive as long as Trump continues his Big Lie and continues to insert himself into GOP campaigns.

      1. The comment above from one of the multiple Anonymous commenters is a trolling deflection.

        DON’T FEED THE TROLLS!!!

        Due to the claims that there are multiple commenters using the Anonymous moniker and the problems that causes, I will no longer converse with anyone using the Anonymous moniker. If you want to converse with me then get yourself a unique moniker that no one else has, otherwise don’t waste your time.

        Thanks
        Steve

        1. You said “It seems like the only tactic the Democratic Party has left to campaign with is keeping alive the anti-Trump hate and linking that hate to all Republican politicians,” so it’s truly bizarre for you to now claim that a response to YOUR claim is a “trolling deflection.”

          You are free to ignore me, but I am not bound by your choices. I will call out false claims when I want, including your false “trolling deflection” claim. I will also make other points if I want, including the point that “anti-Trump hate” (YOUR claim) is still alive because of Trump’s and the GOP’s own choices.

            1. According to the Intelligence Community, there are domestic terrorists on the right and the left, but most of them are on the right.

              “Among DVEs [Domestic Violent Extremists], racially and ethnically motivated violent extremists—specifically white supremacist extremists (WSEs)—will remain the most persistent and lethal threat in the Homeland.”
              https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/2020_10_06_homeland-threat-assessment.pdf

              Trump’s bigotry, which stokes white supremacists, is just one of many reasons so many think that Trump is a threat to our democracy.

              1. Exactly! We must always trust the secret police!

                Don’t speak too freely in public meetings or the FBI will put you under surveillance as a domestic terrorist. Or you may just disappear.

        2. “If you want to converse with me then get yourself a unique moniker that no one else has, otherwise don’t waste your time.”
          ***************************
          I like your style, Steve. Me neither!

            1. That is why I labeled him in the first place. Anonymous has to be separated from the pack so one can adequately converse. Labelling him by his most prominent feature has been successful for me. He doesn’t like it, but prefers being Anonymous more then he hates being called Stupid or ATS

              By being Anonymous, he can say he didn’t make all those Stupid comments that were later proven wrong.

        3. I will no longer converse with anyone using the Anonymous moniker.

          Steve, the moniker is not the problem. We have at least one Anonymous person here that has a reasonable point of view. SM routinely comments without using his unique ID. Natacha and FishWings are another example. I sincerely doubt if you walked into a room with a handful of people that were firmly fixed in some alternate reality, that you would spend any time whatsoever trying to convince them they were wrong merely because they wore a unique name tag. Trying to debate crazy people is itself crazy.

          1. OLLY wrote, “Steve, the moniker is not the problem. “

            The moniker is a big problem. We as fellow commenters don’t actually know for sure if we are being trolled by one Anonymous commenter or multiple Anonymous commenters trying to incite arguments from different perspectives.

            OLLY wrote, “Natacha and FishWings are another example.”

            Those are anonymous commenters that are using unique monikers, just like your moniker OLLY which I perceive as being anonymous, I have absolutely no problem with being anonymous I only have a problem with the exact same moniker being used with apparently different persona’s behind them – you literally don’t know which you are talking to. I choose to use my real name and publicly stand behind what I write but I honor anonymity.

            1. I have absolutely no problem with being anonymous I only have a problem with the exact same moniker being used with apparently different persona’s behind them

              Steve,
              That is a problem, but not the problem. The problem is in their comments. And I wouldn’t necessarily call it a problem, because the solution is entirely up to us. As you stated: Don’t feed them. It’s up to JT and Darren to figure out how they want this legal blog to run. I used to run a blog on Linkedin. Other than standard civility rules, I had one rule that everyone had to follow. Opinions needed to be supported by facts and evidence. If they weren’t and someone asked for a citation, they would have 24 hours to provide it or the comment would be removed. This kept the blog in reality.

              1. OLLY wrote, “That is a problem, but not the problem.”

                With all due respect, I never actually stated that it was the problem”, as in the only problem with the commenters. I did state my reason for not conversing with the perceived multiple commenters using Anonymous monikers and I stand by my choice and reasons.

                You are free to disagree with my choice and reasons for not engaging with the commenters using the Anonymous monikers. We really don’t have to agree on this.

                1. Steve,
                  We actually agree with not engaging Anonymous commenters. My position however takes it further. We have multiple commenters, Anonymous or not, that despite every reasonable effort proving their opinions have no relation to actual facts and evidence, are unmoved to adjust their opinions. My suggestion is to not engage these commenters as well.

                  Whether we agree on this or not, thank you for your contributions on this blog.

          2. Trying to debate crazy people is itself crazy.

            The parochial administrator last Sunday interrupted me while I was muttering to myself about our new pastor. She asked, “were you talking to me?”, to which I answered, “no I was talking to myself, and it was a really great conversation until you interrupted me”. We laughed.

            😉

      2. Anonymous — did you miss the part where the infrastructure bill is a bipartisan bill that the radical Democrats in the House obstructed?

        1. Ignore him giocon1, people like that don’t comprehend that much of today’s radicalized political left, especially the extreme progressive wing, have gone completely off the rails of reality. The root cause of the chaotic things we’re seeing in the United States were NOT created by Donald Trump as the radicalized political left wants everyone to believe.

          President Trump didn’t create the radicalized left’s hate.

          President Trump didn’t create the radicalized left’s bigotry.

          President Trump didn’t create the radicalized left’s irrational aversion to truth and facts.

          President Trump didn’t create the radicalized left’s anti-American and anti-Constitution ideological leanings.

          President Trump didn’t create the radicalized left’s leaning towards totalitarianism.

          President Trump didn’t create the radicalized left’s bastardization of words and symbols.

          President Trump didn’t create the radicalized left’s anti-history stance.

          President Trump didn’t create the radicalized left’s anti-social behaviors.

          President Trump didn’t create the radicalized left’s anti-respect.

          President Trump didn’t create the radicalized left’s anti-logic.

          President Trump didn’t create the radicalized left’s anti-critical thinking.

          President Trump didn’t create the radicalized left’s anti-civility.

          President Trump didn’t create the radicalized left’s Pravda like propaganda media machine.

          etc, etc…

          President Trump is a loose cannon mouthed unethical political hack but he didn’t create these things and his continued presence in the political scene does not maintain these things. These things are maintained within the ideological leanings and irrational thinking of the radicalized political left who will continue to imply or say, as Anonymous did, that the “Devil” made them do it and they’ll continue these irrational claims until hell freezes over. Trump’s presence in the political scene has inspired the radicalized political left, especially the extreme progressives, to peel back their false facade of being liberal*, flush their ethics, logic and critical thinking and reveal their true universal bigotries to the world, anyone that doesn’t think like the radicalized political left should not have rights and should be persecuted, it’s very similar to the anti-Jew behaviors in 1930’s Germany.

          *liberal: adjective 1. willing to respect or accept behavior or opinions different from one’s own; open to new ideas. 2. relating to or denoting a political and social philosophy that promotes individual rights, civil liberties, democracy, and free enterprise.

          The 21st century political left has become illiberal, as in anti-liberal, and pro totalitarian. The radicalized political left have become the evil that they profess to be against and their bigotry blinds them to their own hypocrisy.

        2. Ignore him giocon1, people like that don’t comprehend that much of today’s radicalized political left, especially the extreme progressive wing, have gone completely off the rails of reality. The root cause of the chaotic things we’re seeing in the United States were NOT created by Donald Trump as the radicalized political left wants everyone to believe.

          President Trump didn’t create the radicalized left’s hate.

          President Trump didn’t create the radicalized left’s bigotry.

          President Trump didn’t create the radicalized left’s irrational aversion to truth and facts.

          President Trump didn’t create the radicalized left’s anti-American and anti-Constitution ideological leanings.

          President Trump didn’t create the radicalized left’s leaning towards totalitarianism.

          President Trump didn’t create the radicalized left’s b-a-s-t-a-r-d-i-z-a-t-i-o-n of words and symbols.

          President Trump didn’t create the radicalized left’s anti-history stance.

          President Trump didn’t create the radicalized left’s anti-social behaviors.

          President Trump didn’t create the radicalized left’s anti-respect.

          President Trump didn’t create the radicalized left’s anti-logic.

          President Trump didn’t create the radicalized left’s anti-critical thinking.

          President Trump didn’t create the radicalized left’s anti-civility.

          President Trump didn’t create the radicalized left’s Pravda like propaganda media machine.

          etc, etc…

          President Trump is a loose cannon mouthed unethical political hack but he didn’t create these things and his continued presence in the political scene does not maintain these things. These things are maintained within the ideological leanings and irrational thinking of the radicalized political left who will continue to imply or say, as Anonymous did, that the “Devil” made them do it and they’ll continue these irrational claims until h-e-l-l freezes over. Trump’s presence in the political scene has inspired the radicalized political left, especially the extreme progressives, to peel back their false facade of being liberal*, flush their ethics, logic and critical thinking and reveal their true universal bigotries to the world, anyone that doesn’t think like the radicalized political left should not have rights and should be persecuted, it’s very similar to the anti-Jew behaviors in 1930’s Germany.

          *liberal: adjective 1. willing to respect or accept behavior or opinions different from one’s own; open to new ideas. 2. relating to or denoting a political and social philosophy that promotes individual rights, civil liberties, democracy, and free enterprise.

          The 21st century political left has become illiberal, as in anti-liberal, and pro totalitarian. The radicalized political left have become the evil that they profess to be against and their bigotry blinds them to their own hypocrisy.

          1. Trump exacerbated the radicalized right‘s hate, bigotry, irrational aversion to truth and facts, anti-American and anti-Constitution ideological leanings, leaning towards totalitarianism, b@stardization of words and symbols, anti-history stance, anti-social behaviors, anti-respect, anti-logic, anti-critical thinking, anti-civility, Pravda like propaganda media machine, etc.

            He is an ongoing danger to our democracy.

            As an atheist, I don’t believe in any devils. Trump isn’t a devil. He’s a dangerous human.

            Trump’s presence on the political scene has inspired the radicalized political right, especially the white suprmacists and neo-Nazis. There are far more people on the right displaying behavior like “the anti-Jewish behaviors in 1930’s Germany.”

            “Among DVEs [Domestic Violent Extremists], racially and ethnically motivated violent extremists—specifically white supremacist extremists (WSEs)—will remain the most persistent and lethal threat in the Homeland.”
            https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/2020_10_06_homeland-threat-assessment.pdf

            1. Typical junk from one who lies all the time. The left is authoritarian, fascistic and authoritarian. Our danger comes from the left that doesn’t believe in the Bill of rights and if they had their way would likely want those that believe in God to be burned at the stake.

              He might be the one Anonymous the Stupid was talking about when he commented on Trump rallies throwing people out.

              —-
              Army vet-turned-far-left-militant sentenced to 44 months for threatened attack on Trump activists

              Daniel Alan Baker was convicted in May after he used the internet to rally far-left protesters to attend a Florida Trump rally armed, issuing directives to kidnap and potentially injure some of the Trump supporters.

              Cont: https://justthenews.com/government/courts-law/militant-seattles-autonomous-zone-sentenced-prison-attempted-florida-attack?utm_source=daily&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter

              1. “Our danger comes from the left …”

                The Intelligence Community disagrees with you, which is why you find the DHS saying things like “Among DVEs [Domestic Violent Extremists], racially and ethnically motivated violent extremists—specifically white supremacist extremists (WSEs)—will remain the most persistent and lethal threat in the Homeland.” Or if you want to see what others in the IC say, here’s another example from the Office of the DNI: https://www.dni.gov/files/ODNI/documents/assessments/UnclassSummaryofDVEAssessment-17MAR21.pdf

                DVEs exist on both the far right and far left, but there are more of them on the far right: White Supremacist Extremists (WSEs), Militia Violent Extremists (MVEs), and Sovereign Citizen Violent Extremists (SCVEs). The DVEs on the far left are mostly Anarchist Violent Extremists (AVEs).

                “… the left that doesn’t believe in the Bill of rights and if they had their way would likely want those that believe in God to be burned at the stake.”

                I’m on the left, and I believe in the Bill of Rights, and I don’t want anyone burned at the stake.

                Are you religious? If so, take God’s commandment against lying more seriously.

                1. The same intel community that completely missed China’s hypersonic missile?
                  Missed Kim’s nuclear program until he tested a nuke?
                  Flubbed WMD in Iraq?
                  Completely misestimated how long Afghanistan could hold out?
                  Missed the warning signs for January 6?
                  Missed 9/11?
                  Still can’t find Zawhiri?
                  Could tell an aid worker and kids from bomb makers?

                  That intel community? Yeah, we should totally hang on their every word.

                2. “The Intelligence Community disagrees with you, “

                  One would think their illegal, unethical behavior along with their incompetence would make you think again, but you don’t think. Instead you choose lies and deception. But we all know who you are. You are Anonymous the Stupid.

                  You still haven’t learned what actually represents todays Democrats or fascists, leftists, socialists, Nazis etc. Maybe you should be known as TSTL, Too Stupid to Learn.

          2. Liberal is divergent. Progress is monotonic. Conservative is moderating. Principles matter.

            Religion is a behavioral protocol: morality in a universal frame of reference, its relativistic sibling ethics, its politically congruent (“=”) cousin law.

            Faith is a logical domain (“trust”): theism, atheism, agnosticism.

            Ideology is their realization.

            Bigotry is sanctimonious hypocrisy.

            1. n.n.,
              How about translating what might appear to be pompously arrogant frontier gibberish, to some of the ignorant gutter dwelling deplorables reading these comments, into plain every day spoken English so your true intent can be shared with all readers. 😉
              Thanks
              Steve

        3. They’ve simply said that they won’t pass the infrastructure bill unless it’s done together with the reconciliation package. Why does the other bill have to be done through reconciliation? Because of Republican obstruction. Republicans are filibustering all sorts of things. Did you miss that part of the issue?

      3. I,along with countless other republicans are voting for Trump in 2024 should he run. The alt-left in Washington, the media and big tech have done precisely the opposite of what they set out to do which was to destroy Trump and the Republican party at any and all costs. I did not vote for Trump in 2016. I loathed much of his behavior, but I supported much of his agenda. In this case the ends do justify the means. I want a great America again. We had that under Trump until Covid hit. We shall have it again if we stand united to take down the evil leftists!!!!

        1. Trump ended Obama’s wars. He negotiated a conditional drawdown of forces in Afghanistan. He stopped Iran’s progress (e.g. wars without borders) in the Middle East and negotiated treaties (e.g
          Abraham Accords) with stakeholders. He took tangible steps to emigration reform to mitigate immigration reform and collateral damage at both ends of the bridge and throughout. He worked with the Koreans to end their war. He confronted Chinese aggeession, irregularities, and fraud (e.g. arbitrage). He confronted Obamacares, shared responsibility, and progressive prices of medical care, and focused on affordable, available care for everyone. He stood up to diversity, inequity, and exclusion through a policy of revitalization, rehabilitation and reconciliation. He promoted science and opposed cargo cults (e.g. mask, vaccine mandates), notably a rational, focused approach. He supported rational energy policies based on safe, efficient reliables. He developed viable policies that normalized productivity and growth. He was Pro-Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness.

          At worst, he was marginally effective. This, despite more than 16 trimesters of nationwide mobs, insurrections, unfounded allegations of diversity (e.g. sexism, racism), Democrat-led witch hunts, planned parent/hood (neither an exclusive nor a good choice), warlock trials, and collusion with foreign and domestic special and peculiar interests to sabotage his… our work.

    2. I have an error in my comment the network that did the Steele interview wasn’t CNN it was ABC.

      I knew it was ABC, I must have typed CNN because I was watching CNN when I was typing the comment.

      I stand corrected.

    3. Steve,
      Perhaps I’m on the wrong thread but it appears our discussion regarding Anonymous commenters has been deleted.

      Perhaps Darren can explain why.

      1. You’re not on the wrong thread. Darren deleted all of my comments without saying why, and yours were deleted along with mine because JT uses a poorly-designed commenting system.

      2. Perhaps Darren can explain why.

        Olly, many moons ago, I ran a Roman Catholic list on the internet, back in the 1990s, using the software “majordomo” and the language known as PERL. I am not a computer programmer by training, and I ran my list on a friend’s server across the country, who guided me every step of the way. It was an unmoderated list, until Catholic liberals discovered it and all hades broke out. I eventually closed the list, though an archive still exists on the net, because the fighting, bickering, and eventual trolls took the joy out of running the list. I tried moderating it and hated it. When I closed it the members were disappointed, and it made the news in some Catholic periodicals. Darren is hopefully paid very well by Professor Turley, because frankly, the work that Paint Chips/ Anonymous and the other trolls generate, is thankless. I would never put up with it.

        So whatever Darren does or does not do, just thank him for doing or not doing it. Don’t even question him because the background work he has to shovel to keep this forum “clean” is likely very ugly.

        1. Don’t even question him…

          Not happening. It does not matter if Darren is a volunteer or paid moderator. He has chosen to take on this challenge. I believe he does a very good job; JT chose wisely.

          However, when I post comments that I believe are well within the only rules used by Darren to moderate the blog and they get deleted, then I will always question why.

          1. It’s mostly the poorly designed WordPress commenting system, in contrast with a system like Disqus that’s used elsewhere and is better designed. With WordPress, if person A posts a comment, and person B replies to A, and C replies to B, and D replies to C, then if Darren deletes the comment from B, the comments from C and D disappear with it. Whereas with Disqus, the comment by B would be removed and in its place there would be a note saying something like “this comment has been deleted,” and the comments from C and D would still be visible. Disqus also alerts you to replies to your any of your comments, no matter how old.

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