Congress Adds 87,000 new IRS Agents to Pursue $204 Billion in Tax Fraud While 500 IG Agents Struggle to Investigate $160 Billion in Covid Fraud?

The addition of 87,000 new IRS agents has been celebrated by many as a way to capture billions in revenue to pay for the new bill on climate change and other programs. The claim is that increasing audits of people making over $400,000 will capture additional billions in revenue. That math has been challenged as wildly overestimated unless these new agents turn (as expected) to middle income taxpayers. The respected Congressional Budget Office (CBO) has also directly contradicted claims made by President Biden and the sponsors on increasing the tax burden for middle income families. What is interesting, however, are reports that the government believes that as much as $160 billion in Covid relief fraud exists and the government does not have the personnel or ability to recover most of those funds (or to prosecute most of the culprits).  A fraction of those 87,000 new IRS agents would transform this effort, but documenting and prosecuting Covid relief fraud does not seem as much of a priority in Washington.Years ago, I debated one of the top advisers to Sen. Elizabeth Warren on her tax proposals, including a wealth tax. In the middle of the debate, the professor revealed that Warren and the Democrats wanted to radically increase the IRS to pursue wealthy Americans for more tax revenue through extensive audits. He spoke of adding billions in new money and thousands of new agents.  It was another sweeping claim that the wealthy were not paying enough and that there was a virtually limitless amount of money to pay for new programs.They have now made good on that pledge with an $80 billion increase in the IRS budget — an increase that also must pay for itself in addition to covering the cost of new programs.

Many have noted that the numbers do not add up. While Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen sent a letter ordering that the new agents should not be used to audit people making less than 400k, it is hard to see where the required $204 billion will come from. Some estimates suggest that an increase of 30 times in such audits would still fall short of the $35.3 billion sought in 2031.

However, there is as much as $160 billion in alleged fraud of Covid checks. The government simply sent out billions with little review or confirmation during the pandemic. Now, the New York Times reports that a relatively small number of investigators is overwhelmed by the numbers and unlikely to pursue most of this money: “There are currently 500 people working on pandemic-fraud cases across the offices of 21 inspectors general, plus investigators from the F.B.I., the Secret Service, the Postal Inspection Service and the Internal Revenue Service.”

The problem is that pursuing such fraud is also an indictment of Congress and the executive agencies, which tossed aside controls in the rush to get money out the door during the pandemic. Moreover, much of the fraud is not being committed by the “wealthy” class — the favorite target of leaders like Warren. It is more difficult to prosecute these individuals and attempt to recoup property.

It is also inconsistent with the focus of these politicians on the most wealthy as tax cheats and scofflaws. They have been presented as a bottomless pit of money — making any spending bill “free.” When President Joe Biden struggled to get the massive new spending bill through Congress in 2021, he turned to a pitch that would make Joe Isuzu blush: “We talk about price tags. It is zero price tag” and “My Build Back Better agenda costs zero dollars.” The trillions in spending is “free” — according to Biden — because others will pay for it. It’s like claiming your college tuition was free because your parents got the bill.

Biden is hardly the first politician to shrug off spending by saying “the rich will pay for it.” Indeed, during the Democratic primary, the candidates lined up behind figures like New York Mayor Bill De Blasio declaring “we will tax the hell out of the wealthy.”

Pursuing Covid relief fraud would not exactly fit the “eat the rich” theme that is so popular today. It would also highlight their own failure in ignoring objections at the time that there were few protections in place to shield against fraud. So the solution is simple. Add 87,000 to target wealthy Americans to seek $204 billion to pay for this bill while leaving 500 IG employees working with other agencies to pursue $160 billion in Covid fraud.  In Washington, this makes absolute sense.

 

190 thoughts on “Congress Adds 87,000 new IRS Agents to Pursue $204 Billion in Tax Fraud While 500 IG Agents Struggle to Investigate $160 Billion in Covid Fraud?”

  1. Yellen memo reportedly directs IRS to modernize
    https://justthenews.com/government/federal-agencies/yellen-memo-reportedly-directs-irs-modernize-address-backlog

    The wife works for government IT industry.
    This, Yellen memo, sounds like a good idea.
    But as always, with the government, it is usually months to years behind, over cost, and still fails to deliver what was promised.
    Recall the Obamacare web portal? The back end was a hot mess.
    Also, Yellen says she is directing the IRS to focus on “high-end” taxpayers, and not those making $400k or less.
    Good intentions and all. Believe it when I see it.

  2. “It’s the [general Welfare], stupid!”

    – James Carville
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    The IRS is not the anomaly.

    Unconstitutional taxation to illegally fund the massive unconstitutional communist American welfare state is the anomaly.

    Congress has the power, provided in Article 1, Section 8, to tax for only debt, defense and “…general Welfare…,” aka infrastructure to facilitate that All Well Advance.

    Congress has no power to tax for individual, particular or specific welfare, including favor or charity.

    The core issue is not that America has insufficient capacity to secure revenue.

    The core issue is that America has insufficient adjudication to strike down agencies and departments which are unconstitutional in that they may not be taxed for to create or perpetuate.

    The issue is that America has an illicit, defective judicial branch which has failed miserably to fulfill its sworn oath to support the literal “manifest tenor” of the Constitution and Bill of Rights.
    ____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

    “RESISTED BY A FORCE TOO STRONG FOR ME TO OVERCOME”

    Recently by Dobbs, the Supreme Court patriotically demonstrated a previously nonexistent inclination to support the Constitution and strike down juridical errors, per its sworn oath.

    The sole case of historical significance wherein the judicial branch supported the Constitution was Chief Justice Roger B. Taney’s obstructed attempt to correct and overturn the rogue despot, Abraham Lincoln, after his heinous, unconstitutional suspension of habeas corpus (identical to unconstitutional denial of secession, declaration of war, denial of free speech/press, abrogation of statutory law, confiscation of private property, etc.).

    To wit,

    “The clause in the Constitution which authorizes the suspension of the privilege of the writ of habeas corpus is in the ninth section of the first article. This article is devoted to the Legislative Department of the United States, and has not the slightest reference to the Executive Department.”

    “I can see no ground whatever for supposing that the President in any emergency or in any state of things can authorize the suspension of the privilege of the writ of habeas corpus, or arrest a citizen except in aid of the judicial power.”

    “I have exercised all the power which the Constitution and laws confer on me, but that power has been resisted by a force too strong for me to overcome.”

    – Chief Justice Roger B. Taney, May 28, 1861
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    The principles of the Communist Manifesto have been incrementally implemented across America since Lincoln’s “Reign of Terror.”

    Lincoln threw America into the abyss of communism on orders from Karl Marx:

    “These capitalists generally act harmoniously and in concert, to fleece the people.”

    – Abraham Lincoln, from his first speech as an Illinois state legislator, 1837
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    “Everyone now is more or less a Socialist.”

    – Charles Dana, managing editor of the New York Tribune, and Lincoln’s assistant secretary of war, 1848
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    “The goal of Socialism is Communism.”

    – Vladimir Ilyich Lenin
    _________________

    “The workingmen of Europe feel sure that, as the American War of Independence initiated a new era of ascendancy for the middle class, so the American Antislavery War will do for the working classes. They consider it an earnest of the epoch to come that it fell to the lot of Abraham Lincoln, the single-minded son of the working class, to lead his country through the matchless struggle for the rescue of an enchained race and the reconstruction of a social world.”

    – Karl Marx and the First International Workingmen’s Association to Lincoln, 1864

    Letter of congratulation and commendation from Karl Marx to Abraham Lincoln: https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/iwma/documents/1864/lincoln-letter.htm
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    The Grand Irony: Lincoln told the United States that he would destroy constitutional American freedom.

    “At what point then is the approach of danger to be expected? I answer, if it ever reach us, it must spring up amongst us. It cannot come from abroad. If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen, we must live through all time, or die by suicide.”

    – Abraham Lincoln, Young Men’s Lyceum, Springfield, Illinois, January 27, 1838
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    America must live IN CONSTITUTIONAL FREEDOM through every challenge, including western expansion, secession and slavery, or die by suicide – Lincoln paraphrased.

    Lincoln chose suicide in Karl Marx’s name’s sake.

  3. Assuming Republicans are rich, greedy, hypocritical politicians, are Democrats any better?

    Jared Polis Net Worth: $400 Million
    Al Gore Net Worth: $300 million
    Mark Warner Net Worth: $300 Million
    John Kerry Net Worth: $250 Million
    Bill and Hillary Clinton Net Worth: $120 Million
    Nancy Pelosi Net Worth: $120 Million
    Dianne Feinstein Net Worth: $110 Million
    Richard Blumenthal Net Worth: $85 Million
    Suzan DelBene Net Worth: $79 Million
    Barack Obama Net Worth: $70 Million
    Claire McCaskill Net Worth: $60 Million
    Don Beyer Net Worth $31.2 million
    Terry McAuliffe Net Worth: $30 Million
    Carolyn Maloney Net Worth: $25 Million
    Gavin Newsom Net Worth: $20 Million
    Tim Kaine Net Worth: $10 Million
    James Carville Net Worth: $10 Million
    Elizabeth Warren Net Worth: $8 Million
    Joe Biden Net Worth: $9 Million
    Beto O’Rourke Net Worth: $9 Million
    Joe Manchin Net Worth: $8 Million
    Kamala Harris Net Worth: $5 Million
    Dick Durbin Net Worth: $3 Million
    Bernie Sanders Net Worth: $3 Million
    Andrew Cuomo Net Worth: $3 Million
    Cory Booker Net Worth: $3 Million
    Bill de Blasio Net Worth: $3 Million
    Maxine Waters Net Worth: $2 Million
    Adam Schiff Net Worth: $2 Million
    Amy Klobuchar Net Worth: $1.5 Million

    Sources:

    http://www.opensecrets.org/personal-finances/top-net-worth
    celebritynetworth.com/category/richest-politicians/democrats/

    1. Lizzy Cheney just ‘happened’ to go from $7 million to $44 million in just 6 years of Congress. Bribes to do what her masters wanted sure do pay good.

    2. Of the peple you listed – which ones gained wealth by trading value for value ? Rather than renting govenrment power ?

    3. But they’re always working hard for the working middle class. Remember, they want to tax the fat cats. We’re safe.

  4. I have not researched the statistics on the number of taxpayers who have filed returns reflecting adjusted gross income of $400,000 or more over any period of time. Nevertheless, I cannot imagine that the number of returns in that category would justify the addition of 87,000 new IRS agents who would then scrutinize those returns in the hope of increasing revenue. It seems counter-intuitive to me. It’s a negative net present value project, all at the expense of taxpayers. There has already been considerable commentary on whether that high income group would actually be the target group. For those who believe that the target group will be taxpayers earning more than $400,000, just remember that President Biden said earlier this week that there was “zero” inflation in the month of July. And, while it was true that the rate of inflation had decreased rather than increased during the month of July, inflation remained at a 40-year high. See https://trac.syr.edu/tracirs/latest/679/ which indicates that lower wage earners were targeted for audit at a rate five time greater than other taxpayers in 2021. There is a palpable uneasiness among the populace about increasing the size of the IRS. Perhaps this outsize expenditure of taxpayer dollars is meant to have an in terrorem effect. I, for one, would have preferred to see an increase in the number of border patrol agents.

  5. These are just a few of the 27 grievances the framers had against a tyrannical government that in one form or another are happening today. How many more will it take before the American people wake TFU!?

    He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

    He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.

    For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

    He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian [gang] Savages, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.

    For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:

    For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.

    He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.

    For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury:

    Democrats: Defund the Police!

    Democrats: Fund the Police state!

    To quote Dan Bongino; Republicans may not be the solution to all our problems, but Democrats are absolutely the cause of all of our problems.

  6. Let’s just do a flat tax and basically get rid of the IRS – what would be left would only have to deal with the self-employed.

      1. Perhaps under a yet-to-be-determined income level people don’t participate in paying taxes, But “skin in the game” is not inequality.

  7. But Turley, you left out the alt-right rhetoric, including that spewed by your employer: “the IRS is coming for small businesses and middle-class families with loaded AR-15s”. That was broadcast and re-broadcast on your employer’s network. So, instead of going quite that far, you decide to claim that adding new IRS agents to pursue wealthy tax cheaters won’t work, and to get in some digs at Democrats. You left our the fact that Trump cut IRS agents, thereby limiting the number of returns that can be audited–another gift to his wealthy friends. Then, there’s the fact that you are unjustifiably trying to demonize the IRS and create fear and distrust–another Trumpian dystopian premise–you can’t trust the FBI, the IRS, or the DOJ. Sensible people see this for what it is–these are the agencies that have gone after Trump because he is a thief, cheater and liar. They are doing their job. I pay what I owe, so why shouldn’t everyone else? If everyone did, the national debt would be lower, and we wouldn’t have to pay the massive amount of interest on the national debt. It’s about time someone addressed wealthy people and corporations who skirt the law.

    Having dealt witht the IRS, here’s the deal: they have a job to do. Why shouldn’t people pay the taxes they owe, and why should they resent it if they are asked to provide documentation? The wealthy have the ability to take advantage of generous deductions and other tax savings unavailable to those of lesser means, but they’re never satisfied, so they demonize the IRS. If the IRS has questions about your return, cooperate and provide the information and documentation they request. In my experience, they are polite and professional. If you: refuse to cooperate, refuse to produce documentation and/or can’t justify your figures, and/or just made up figures, you can get into trouble–but they do give you a chance to pay up, and may waive penalties and/or interest, especially if you weren’t obviously dodging taxes. If you are honest in filling out your return and if you maintain documentation, you have nothing to worry about. And….IRS agents do not carry AR-15s, either.

      1. With the IRS, you have a duty to cooperate–you have already sworn, under the penalties for perjury, to the truth of the figures and other information in your return. They have the right to ask questions and seek documentation. With the police, you have a Fifth Amendment right not to incriminate yourself. The two situations are not comparable.

    1. ” I pay what I owe, so why shouldn’t everyone else? If everyone did, the national debt would be lower, and we wouldn’t have to pay the massive amount of interest on the national debt.”

      I wonder if you actually wrote that with a straight face. If you actually believe that then you are a bigger idiot than I imagined before. They have stollen record amounts of peoples property and all it does is make them spend more like Bidens idiotic latest bill (signed during a recession). You can not show me one time where they have raised taxes and not spent more. They need the money to buy people like you off.

      ” I pay what I owe, so why shouldn’t everyone else?”
      Do you really? How do you know how much you owe? How do you know how much “everyone else” should owe? How do you know they are no paying what they owe? Do you own a house or have kids? If so, I assume you refused to take the deduction because you want to pay what you really owe, correct? Or, are you just another tax cheat making single people who rent pay for your lifestyle.

      Flat tax is the only solution that is “fair”

      1. We don’t have a recession–Fox and other alt-right media are lying to you about this. Unemployment is historically low. Biden has set a record in creating jobs. We have inflation, due to Trump’s botched handling of the economy and the pandemic, but it’s getting better. The IRS doesn’t “steal” anything. How are we supposed to pay for our armed forces, roads, bridges, airports and infrastructure without taxation?

        It’s really hard to argue with the logic that everyone should pay the taxes that they owe, so you attempt to attack me. If you don’t like the tax laws passed by Congress, then lobby for changes. In the meantime, pay what you owe.

        1. “How are we supposed to pay for our armed forces, roads, bridges, airports and infrastructure without taxation?”
          Like a true property stealer, you left out SOCIAL programs. This is a direct stealing from the workers and giving to the lazy.

          “We don’t have a recession”
          “a period of temporary economic decline during which trade and industrial activity are reduced, generally identified by a fall in GDP in two successive quarters.”
          So you are just a flat out lier. Every time in past history, this is known as a recession. And, it’s all dimentia Joes and liberals fault. Just because you like to pretend things aren’t what they are (male, female, recession, vaccine, etc….) doesn’t make it so.

          “It’s really hard to argue with the logic that everyone should pay the taxes that they owe”
          Who isn’t doing this? and again, how do you know what they owe?

          You are a deduction taking tax cheat hypocrite like everyone else. You need to pay your fair share! Stop demanding others to pay when you don’t.

          1. Jim22,
            Dont leave out the job participation rate has also gone done, or more people not working.
            Also the number of people working two jobs to make ends meet in this inflationary environment has gone up. Some call that good news as it would appear as new jobs added. But it is not.

            Of note, all the economists and MSM news pundits who in 2020 were quoting the definition of a recession as two quarters in negative decline, are now spinning like a top to disavow they ever said such a thing. Hypocrites to the max. Anyone whom cannot see it, is delusional, ignorant or both.

            1. “Hypocrites to the max. Anyone whom cannot see it, is delusional, ignorant or both.”

              You just defined Natacha. She probably believes Dimentia Joe when he said inflation was zero.

                1. “Today we received news that our economy had 0 percent inflation in the month of July,”
                  Joe Biden

                  While he subsequently clarified that he meant no NEW inflation in july.
                  The statement as he said it is wrong.
                  Actual inflation in July was the same as inflation in June – about 8.5%.

                  Inflation not rising in July is better than it rising, but it is not even close to declining significantly

                  Another way of saying what Biden said – was prices continued to increase alot in july.
                  But they did not increase faster than in june.

                  That is not Good.

          2. And Jim22,
            It has been noted that the supposed Biden economic recovery, has been led by Red States who suspended all those COVID mandates, while Blue states who maintained the mandates, lagged.
            The Biden admin is riding on Red States coat tails to a economic recovery.

          3. We do not have two successive quarters with reduced trade and industral activity. Job growth during the last quarter exceeded expectations. They lie to you on alt right media about this. Who isn’t paying the taxes that they owe? Your hero, for one. That’s why Weisselberg pleaded guilty to tax evasion. And, because you don’t have any logical counter argument, you accuse me of being a tax cheater. I’m not. I always get refunds.

            1. We have two negative quarters of GDP growth. That has been the NBER definition of recession throughout my life.

              Trade and industrial activity are leading economic indicators – they are canaries in the coal mine. They are TWO of many, indicators MAY give us a warning that a recession is coming.
              They are not part of the definition.
              I am sure there have been recessions where industrial activity did not drop or trade did not drop.
              Atleast not initially. Such indicators would tell us something about what is causing the recession.

              In this case the cause is TRIVIAL. The Fed is raising interest rates to bring inflation under control.

              Whenever the Fed raises interest rates significantly and rapidly – you will get a recession.

              The Fed caused the 1980 recession, they are causing the 2022 recession.

              So why is the Fed Deliberately causing a recession ?
              Because not gaining control of inflation is WORSE.

              The fundimental question isn NOT are we in a recession – that is a stupid question.
              The Fed raised interest rates quickly KNOWING it would cause a recession.

              The key question is why do we have inflation ?

              Here is a good explanation by Economist Tyler Cowan on Bari Weis’s Honestly podcast
              https://player.fm/series/honestly-with-bari-weiss/the-inflation-economy-with-tyler-cowen

            2. Taxes are high because of nutjobs such as YOU.

              “Any one may so arrange his affairs that his taxes shall be as low as possible; he is not bound to choose that pattern which will best pay the Treasury; there is not even a patriotic duty to increase one’s taxes.”
              Gregory v. Helvering, 69 F.2d 809, 810 (2d Cir. 1934)

              Lincoln won the Civil war with a peak tax rate – state+local+federal of 8%.

              During the 19th century growth averaged 7.5%/yr

  8. Of course they don’t want to go after the covid relief crooks. They gave them money to buy their votes. They wouldn’t have needed the money if the totalitarians didn’t shut down the entire nation. States in America that did not shut down faired no worse than the states that did shut down but the states that did shut down forced their citizens into a position of needing a government hand out. It is no surprise that the Biden administration wants to keep covid fraud as quiet as possible to keep its incompetence hidden from the public view. Let there be no mistake, soon if your successful in America you will be frog marched before the IRS tribunal and declared to be a traitor to your nation. Welcome to the USSR you don’t know how lucky you are.

  9. The Dems used Covid to shutter small businesses as the Big Boys stayed open and Amazon delivered everything else. Now they will shutter another million small business by auditing them out of business. A small mom and pop cannot afford to get hit with a huge penalty for a mistake they may have made on a very complex tax form, but the big guys hire teams of accountants and lawyers to deal with it.

  10. “The greatest threat to our democracy is not Trump voters or parents protesting at school board meetings, but the permanent Washington elite which has weaponized the govt and teamed up with corporate media to intimidate and silence those who dare to disagree with them.” https://t.co/yM1hhMDjio

    -Tulsi Gabbard
    August 18, 2022

  11. More math to ponder. The cost of the salaries, benefits, offices, computers for all of those agents needs to be deducted from the eventual amount they recover which will be a shocker if it is even close to those estimates. Then add the cost to the taxpayers in responding to those audits and the payments to accountants and tax attorneys even if they win and do not owe any additional tax.
    What will really happen? The IRS agents will belong to the union that funds democrats with campaign donations and Lois Lerner supercharged to attack political opponents.

    1. You have hit several key points there, Tony! Taxpayer dollars will be squandered to pay for salaries and benefits for the new government employees who will then subsidize the Democrats’ agenda!

    2. This is typical socialist theory. It penalize those who produce goods and services to pay for the waste, fraud, and incompetence of the State. They get away with these unsupported arguments for taxing the affluent more because it is an emotional trigger. We have a progressive tax system. The average tax burden increases with income. High income families already pay a disproportionate share of the tax burden.

  12. Rich People using the Tax Code to their Advantage versus criminals making false statements to steal from taxpayers?

    What’s the priority?

    certainly not going after criminals, that would be reprehensible…

  13. Richard Lowe,
    Funny you mention that, cashing out the 401k.
    Wife and I are considering that, to pay off the house and they we would have no debt at all.
    IIRC, under the CARES act, you can cash in up to $100k with NO penalties. Have to go back and double check that.
    Then, the money we would of paid on the house, and the additional payment at the principal we made every month, could go back into retirement or savings.
    Something we may have to revisit.

    1. It’s not just that, but also there is a need for better tax return processing and customer service. It’s the biggest set of complaints by tax payers.

      The IRS has been underfunded for years. This is it’s biggest infusion of funds and employees in years.

    2. The new IRS funding targets White Supremacists who are notorious tax cheats.

      #WhiteSupremacists RaceBaitersTaxCheats

      https://www.justice.gov/usao-mdfl/pr/former-congresswoman-corrine-brown-pleads-guilty-corrupt-obstruction-administration

      Former Congresswoman Corrine Brown Pleads Guilty To Corrupt Obstruction Of The Administration Of The Internal Revenue Laws
      Jacksonville, Florida – United States Attorney Roger B. Handberg announces that Corrine Brown (75, Jacksonville) today pleaded guilty to engaging in a corrupt endeavor to obstruct and impede the due administration of the internal revenue laws. After accepting her guilty plea, Chief Judge Timothy J. Corrigan sentenced Brown to the time that she had already served in the custody of the U.S. Bureau of Prisons, specifically two years, eight months, and nine days. Brown was also ordered to pay $62,650.99 in restitution to the Internal Revenue Service.

      ###

      https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/09/12/rev-al-sharpton-and-stacey-abrams-paid-off-back-taxes/3444926001/

      Sharpton’s history with the IRS dates back to the late ’80s. In 2014, the New York Times wrote an extensive article about Sharpton’s tax obligations.

      Records acquired by the Times showed more than $4.5 million in state and federal tax liens against Sharpton and his for-profit businesses, including a list of federal tax liens against Raw Talent as well as a New York State Tax Warrant against Revals Communications Inc. Both are businesses owned by Sharpton. Sharpton also failed to pay federal tax on employees working for his civil rights organization, National Action Network, according to The Times.

  14. This is the result of a manipulated election. There was French journalist on last night who literally laughed at us for allowing our election to be conducted the way we do. When asked about mail in ballots “we did away with them in 1975 because it’s too easy to cheat”. The French have citizens only vote, challenger’s at all boxes, photo ID, paper ballots, clear ballot boxes and know who the winner is by end of day. It’s time to get our house in order.

    1. If we had our house in order, the Democrats would never win elections outside a few big cities and a couple of deep blue states.

      1. You don’t speak for either “we” or “our” or what’s good for “us”. MOST Americans live in big cities and so-called “blue states”, which Republicans have done everything possible to marginalize with their gerrymandering and laws making it more difficult to vote.

    2. Some states ONLY have mail ballots, and have for years, with no issues regarding fraud. There was NO widespread fraud in 2020–just the punctured dream of a fat narcissist who isn’t man enough to admit that most Americans: never wanted him in either 2016 or 2020, never approved of him in 4 years’ time, and wanted him gone.

  15. Wondering why IRS would need this massive increase in agents, armed and trained to use force if necessary?

    Vaccine passports lead to….
    Social Credit scoring system = ESG ….
    Which will require enforcement….
    Almost certainly met with resistance from citizens…
    Thus armed ‘enforcement’ agents under the IRS….

    Welcome to the Great Reset, One World Government, New Liberal World Order

    Resist we must!

    1. Anonymous being overly dramatic and ignorant seems to think that ALL those new IRS employees will be armed and pursue the wealthy for tax fraud.

      Turley as usual is being quite disingenuous with the issue. This is just more feeding of the rage he keeps insisting is a problem. What Turley conveniently neglected to mention is that for decades congress has steadily cut the IRS budget and staff. While adding more and more tax regulations. This is by design, not oversight.

      Republicans are upset because for years they have always claimed that no new tax increases are necessary and all that is needed is to enforce current laws on the books. Now that it is a reality with this new infusion of agents and money because those laws can be enforced.

      It is no secret that there ARE a lot of tax cheats out there and for years they relied on the fact that the IRS didn’t have the manpower and budget to enforce the law. Republicans don’t want the law enforced because tax cheats are their biggest donors.

      1. .Dear ‘Svelaz..WHAT exactly is so ‘disingenuous’ with Prof. Turley’s arguments that the ‘overkill’ amount of agents for the IRS should be split up to share with the Covid Relief Abuse chasers?.’ And,what evidence and examples do you have that the biggest donors to the GOP are tax cheats and, by deduction, the biggest dionors to the Dems are not tax cheats………………….??

        1. The IRS budget has been cut by republicans for years. They have always been underfunded and understaffed. Now that they will have more funding and more staff they will be able to enforce existing laws like republicans always wanted.

          “ And,what evidence and examples do you have that the biggest donors to the GOP are tax cheats and, by deduction, the biggest dionors to the Dems are not tax cheats………………….??”

          Well that depends on who the donors are. Your assumption that democrats are not tax cheats is just an assumption. Tax cheats are tax cheats regardless of party affiliation. What matters is that current tax laws can now be enforced.

  16. Ronald Reagan’s budget director, David Stockman, said “taxes are the cost of civilized society” – to fund police officers, public schools, many fire fighters and trash collection. Another great Republican (and Allied Commander during WW2) Dwight D. Eisenhower had a top tax rate around 70%. Fiscally-Liberal compared to Biden’s top rate today.

    Most government employees are good honorable people, seems like critics should focus on the real issues here – an overly complicated system (that many times requires professional tax experts) and what affects every bureaucratic system “mission-creep”.

    Seems that both Republicans and Democrats might agree on a solution to minimize “mission-creep”: how about hiring 87,000 short-term contractors or temporary employees instead of permanent investigators?

    The public goal is to make the richest tax cheats comply and pay taxes, once that goal is met it creates a deterrent-effect to the rich for several years. Republicans will no longer be able to claim they will be going after small business owners.

    Democrats win also, by making these temporary jobs, that provides more budget dollars for other priorities while raising lots of revenue.

    Once any agency hires a large number of investigators, what happens after the mission is accomplished? Agencies rarely lay off permanent employees – those 87,000 investigators won’t twiddle their thumbs all day, they will find others people to investigate for lesser reasons.

    Most IRS employees are good people, we should focus more on the systematic problems like “mission-creep” and simplifying the system for small businesses/regular folks.

  17. JT is lying. There will not be 87,000 new IRS agents. This is 87,000 new workers over the next 10 years, only some will be agents. And included is replacing workers who leave. Does Fox News write these posts?

    1. Turley is using the FOX model to scare and upset the base. Fact is, the IRS does not have the time or money to go after the biggest tax cheats, the rich can wait it out or delay for years. The money they spend not paying taxes, more than makes it up in the long run.

    2. It’s ironic that republicans recently were complaining about delayed and long processing time for tax returns and poor customer service. This new infusion of workers is supposed to help with that.

      It seems more likely republicans are upset that the IRS will have a better ability to enforce current laws and going after tax cheats. For years republicans have been cutting the IRS budget precisely because they don’t want the IRS to enforce existing laws. They want to protect their tax cheating donors.

      1. “ And training them with guns. Ask yourself WHY??”

        Because there are a lot of armed tax cheats?

        Why shouldn’t they have guns? Tax cheaters are criminals. Law enforcement often involves executing warrants for arrest. Even when it involves IRS agents.

        1. Why can’t they send a social worker?? That’s what they were going to do instead of sending Police officers. So YOU are okay that the IRS will shoot you if you don’t pay your overblown taxes to the new KING??

          1. “ Why can’t they send a social worker?? ”

            Because social workers have no clue about tax law and they can’t enforce it.

            “ So YOU are okay that the IRS will shoot you if you don’t pay your overblown taxes to the new KING??”

            Are you stupid or something? The IRS doesn’t shoot people if you don’t pay taxes. They will shoot you if you threaten them with a gun. Any law enforcement officer would.

  18. I got ten bucks that says no career establishment politicians of one specific Party will not be affected by the new effort to collect more tax from them.

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