A Texas woman, Tiffani Gish, has been arrested after leaving an unhinged diatribe message for U.S. District Judge Aileen Cannon (left) that threatened to kill the judge if she continued to order an independent review of seized material from Mar-a-Lago. According to the federal complaint, Gish used the fake name of Evelyn Salt to tell Cannon “stand the f**k down or get shot.” Gish appears unstable but she is precisely the reason why the use of “rage politics” is so dangerous on both sides in this election.[Warning: this story contains vulgar or offensive language].
Gish’s alleged voicemails on Sept. 1, 2022. The first message stated:
Hi, yes, this message is for Aileen Cannon, this is Evelyn Salt, I’m in charge of nuclear for the United States Government. Again, Donald Trump has been disqualified long ago, and he’s marked for assassination, you’re helping him ma’am. So, here’s what we’re going to do, we’re going to let you disarm fucking live nukes off your coffee table….how about you sit on an electric chair a couple times over…you think you’ve got the magical ability to pop up from the dead…pretending that you’re on the team of justice. Again, I told you he’s disqualified, he’s marked for assassination and so are you, you stupid botch, stand the fuck down or get shot…and guess what, I’m also Trump’s hitman, so consider it a bullet to your head from Donald Trump himself…
The name “Evelyn Salt” appears to be taken from the 2010 movie, Salt with Angelina Jolie. The message clearly shows a delusional and disturbed mind, including claims of a “license to kill.”
The threat follows an alleged assassination attempt against Associate Justice Brett Kavanaugh by another unbalanced individual.
This is why I have been critical of both President Biden and former President Trump in their use of “rage rhetoric” for political gain. President Biden’s recent speech is an example of such reckless and inflammatory rhetoric. He has called supporters of President Trump “semi-fascists” and enemies of the state. Former President Trump responded in kind. Such attacks will no doubt serve to rally supporters in both parties but it will also serve to enrage unstable figures who believe that they are righteous in threatening violence or taking actual violent steps.
The attacks on the judiciary from the left are particularly concerning, including Vice President Kamala Harris recently joining those unfairly calling justices “activists” and attacking their integrity.
Law professors and lawyers have also fueled this rage with unsupported attacks on our constitutional system. Some like MSNBC regular (and past writer for Above the Law and the Nation) Elie Mystal objected that Biden’s speech did not go far enough because it is not just “MAGA Republicans” but all Republicans who are white supremacists. Mystal and others have denounced the Constitution as “trash,” and even some law professors want to “reclaim America from Constitutionalism.”
This crisis of faith is being fueled by a failure of leadership in fueling the rising rage in our country. It was particularly chilling to see Biden denounce millions of voters as enemies of the state while flanked by two Marines in Philadelphia. While such speeches will bring out core voters, it will also bring out those unstable individuals who hear such words as an actual call to arms.
“Crimes are tried where they occur.”
Often but not always.
Given that the left can not even state what the crime here is, how can they know where it occured ?
I’m not surprised Turley the hack hasn’t penned a defense of Cannon’s inane rulings in this case. Even for him it has to be difficult to come up with something.
Update: Cannon has denied the DOJ’s motion for a stay and chosen Dearie as Special Master.
Zoe Tillman (Bloomberg News):
“DOJ’s general appeal of her order is already on the 11th Circuit docket. What we understood DOJ to be saying w/ the 9/15 deadline is that if Cannon didn’t rule or denied their request for a stay, they’d seek immediate intervention by the 11th Circuit on the classified docs issue.”
In the meantime, Cannon has asked Dearie to prioritize the documents with classified markings.
Who holds Dearie’s leash, William “Mr. Deep Deep State Swamp” Barr?
Dearie was chosen by Trump. Ask him.
Jonathan: There is a lot of “rage” right here in this chatroom. Here is just one example: “Itbl123” says: “The Democratic party has been taken over by Communists…These people are godless and EVIL. They are traitors, and should be given the historical curse for witchcraft ‘the ordeal of Fire and Water'”. Wow! This is real unhinged rage! Calls for violence against political opponents are finding a home right here on your on blog. Instead of channeling their rage into something constructive some are consumed by so much rage they can’t think straight. The Communist Party USA has little relevancy today. The last time a Communist ran for president was in 1984. Gus Hall and Angela Davis got exactly 36,386 votes! “Communists” don’t control the Democratic Party. Itbl123 sounds like Sen. Joe McCarthy who found “Communists” every where in the government. We know what happened to old Joe. Your columns feed into the “rage” we see here. That’s the problem.
“Wow! This is real unhinged rage!”
Dennis, listen to yourself sometimes, rage mixed with hyperbole and errors of fact. There seems to be no desire on your part to discuss policy rather than personalities and partisan BS. Are you the problem?
Let’s go back to the discussion of illegal immigration on the southern border. Considering both of our positive feelings towards Mexico, our southern neighbor, this should lead to a productive and peaceful discussion and perhaps agreement as to the answers to the problem.
S. Meyer: Really? I am engaged in “rage mixed with hyperbole and errors of fact”? I simply quoted from a post from “Itbl123”. Read his/her post and see if there were any “errors of fact” on my part. You won’t find any! The hyperbole belongs to the person who posted the “rage” in the first place. It wasn’t me. As to immigration I posted a long response to your invitation under the previous blog entry.
Dennis I saw that rage elsewhere. I am not saying others don’t have rage, however the left has demonstrated far more rage than the right, and for what? To destroy cities, burn neighborhoods down, try to burn federal buildings down, create illegal free zones, etc.
Why aren’t we discussing policy like we agreed on earlier. You don’t like Trump. I get it, but I support many of his policies. I don’t support Biden’s policies that are destroying the middle class. High gas prices, inflation, scarcity of goods, abuse of children, a looming recession etc. I assume you don’t want these things either but they are off limits for discussion because everyone is fighting about personalities.
Let’s see if we can’t come to agreement on policy based on good data and rational thought.
I did not see your entry on immigration, but I would like to read it.
Wow! This is real unhinged rage! Calls for violence against political opponents are finding a home right here on your on blog.
anonymous internet trolls vs Democrats out and proud in their calls for violence
Mazie Hirono
“literally a call to arms in our country.”
Ohio Senate candidate Tim Ryan, who said his party needs to “kill and confront” an “extremist” Republican movement.
And yet the supposed “threats” target no individual, unlike those of the cowardly bully directly threatening Judge Cannon, with which, since you make no mention of them, I take it you’ve no issue.
Hugh Hewitt: “Audio of this AM’s interview of fmr President Trump in which he tells me he declassified everything he took to Mar A Lago and that he doesn’t fear an indictment: https://t.co/JGeVRy5Zkq Transcript will post soon.”
https://twitter.com/hughhewitt/status/1570400584339013632
Let Trump say it under oath and be questioned about why he declassified foreign nuclear, SIGINT, and Human Source information and when he notified the government about it. Because it appears that the “why” is: because he’s lazy and seeks to protect himself rather than the information he had a duty to protect. And just so Trump is clear: if those docs marked as highly classified were never made public, then Biden could have reclassified them as soon as he took office.
Last but not least, Hewitt and Trump appear not to understand that the 3 alleged crimes do not hinge on whether or not the materials in Trump’s possession were classified.
“Let Trump say it under oath”
Why?
Why not have Biden say under oath all the questions he hasn’t answered even to the press that supports him? Why wouldn’t Eric Holder provide lesser answers to fast and furious? Why didn’t the Russia Hoax documents get released after the President ordered the release?
Trump is transparent. The Biden administration is not.
You are an hypocritical ideologue that refuses to abide by the rule of law.
LOL. Name one thing I’ve done that fails “to abide by the rule of law,” other than jaywalking and driving with the flow of traffic slightly above the speed limit, both of which I admit I sometimes do.
Just one. You cannot. You are just a troll who regularly relies on straw man arguments.
For the record, if Biden makes wild claims as an excuse for something in a national security investigation, I’d want him to say it under oath and be questioned under oath TOO. Unlike you, I actually GAF about whether Trump put human sources’ lives at risk by declassifying TS/SCI/HUMINT materials for no reason other than his personal convenience.
Your history of postings on this blog is proof that you either don’t know what the rule of law is, or you believe it exists only for one political party. You are a hypocrite.
I want Biden to testify similarly, but that is not what our laws require. When Biden, Pelosi, and all politicians of note testify to such questions, I’ll advocate the same for Trump. In the meantime, you remain a hypocrite.
You remain a lying troll, who admits — through your failure to name a single thing I’ve done that fails “to abide by the rule of law” — that you cannot and simply made the false accusation because you’re a troll who so hates people on the left that you’ll gladly pretend things that aren’t true.
.Hypocrites like you don’t abide by the rule of law. That is your nature. What is good for the goose is not good for the gander. You use the law differently based on political party. That is obvious in almost all of your postings. That is one of the many reasons you have no credibility. That you can’t see your hypocrisy even when pointed out to you demonstrates how bad off you are.
Thanks for ceding the point that you cannot name a single thing I’ve done that fails “to abide by the rule of law.”
I did, ATS. I pointed to your own responses. I see. You are now denying you wrote them. Of course, that is your game. You write stupidly under anonymous so you can deny your comments later. How clever. You even do this with other personalities. Also, how clever. You even do this under addresses you know will be deleted. What a clever guy you think you are.
You have proven that lying and deceit are the sum total of what you have.
“I pointed to your own responses. ”
You pointed to nothing. You made an evidenceless claim, begging the question.
Your responses are all on the blog and easy for anyone to see, along with your hypocrisy and lies. You don’t want to admit them, so you hope your anonymous being will throw everyone off your track. That will not happen. You and your pretend friends will always look like the fool you are.
Let Trump say it under oath and be questioned about why he declassified foreign nuclear, SIGINT, and Human Source information and when he notified the government about it.
The President of the United States never has to answer to any agency of the Executive Branch. The President is the executive branch.
Even Garland isn’t so dense as to have to argue in a trial court, if MAL documents are classified. The DoJ has no legal path. And you know it.
Trump stated in his court filing that he is bound by Executive Order 13526.
I pointed this out to you yesterday. But you’re too lazy to read the court filings, and you don’t care enough about truthfulness to admit what even Trump admits.
More importantly, for the umpteenth time, the alleged crimes remain crimes even if he declassified the material in question. The DoJ does have a legal path, but you may be too willfully ignorant to know it. If you do know it, you clearly can’t bring yourself to admit it.
You point wildly at things but say nothing.
Shakespeare described your comments in Macbeth, act 5, scene 5, lines 28–30.
Yes, ATS, you tell stories, many of which are lies. When you speak of these stories they are “Told by an idiot”
“Trump stated in his court filing that he is bound by Executive Order 13526.”
I have no idea what Trump actually said and I do not trust you to accurately represent that.
Regardless, No president is bound by the executive order of another president.
However the remained of the executive branch are bound by all executive orders that have not been rescinded.
Trump as EX-President is subject to the provisions of the Obama EO regarding classified documents.
Finally the Obama EO has pretty much no bearing on this case.
It does not answer the question whether the documents marked classified are actually classified.
Nor does it preclude the Trump while president from declassifying anything he wanted nor specify how he must do so,
and if Obama’s EO had actually constrained the current president – it would be unconstitutional.
“I pointed this out to you yesterday.”
You constantly point out things you think are meaningful, that aren’t or you completely botch their meaning.
Regardless, I am not aware of a single person that has claimed that Obama’s EO on classified documents is not binding on everyone in the executive branch EXCEPT the president. Nor challenging that it applies to ex-presidents.
You do not seem to grasp that it explictly recognizes that ex-presidents are going to have access to classified material.
We can debate details of that access, but the FACT is that The EO makes it clear that you can not PRESUME that Classified material in the possession of ex-presidents – as well as others more narrowly is unauthorized.
“More importantly, for the umpteenth time, the alleged crimes remain crimes even if he declassified the material in question.”
Completely False and ludicrously stupid. In the highly unlikely event that a court accepts your claim, then SCOTUS will strike the law or atleast the interpretation of the law as unconstitutionally broad.
People need not know the law to commit a crime, but it must be possible to know.
If Trump declassified the material in question – there is no possible espionage act violation.
You seem to forget that the Supreme court has already found that government can not stop the publication of highly classified material once it is outside of government control.
If Trump claims to have declassified the material, DOJ will have to prove he did not. Depending on a number of factors, it is possible that will be a question that a jury will have to decide.
“The DoJ does have a legal path, but you may be too willfully ignorant to know it. If you do know it, you clearly can’t bring yourself to admit it.”
There is enough we do not know here that anything is possible.
There are innumerable facts that remain unknown.
You are prone to presume that everything DOJ/FBI says is true, and that most or all press leaks are true.
How has that worked out for you over the past 6 years ?
In the event that DOJ establishes that Trump had Highly classified nuclear documents and presents a credible Case that Trump was intent on sharing them or selling them to say the Saudi’s. Trump is in deep schiff.
But I would bet enormous amounts of money that is unlikely.
Conversely if the documents in question prove to be Collusion Delusion documents – It is likely that 2023 will start with impeachments of Garland, Wray and Biden.
Whether the DOJ has a legal way forward depends on Facts DOJ knows but the rest of us do not.
Whether DOJ even tries to move this forward depends on Facts DOJ knows and we do not.
I would further note that there is likely another Huge fight if DOJ attempts to proceed.
That of Venue. This investigation is being conducted by the DC FBI office, The Grand Jury is in DC.
But Trump resides in FL, the documents are in FL, the warrant was granted in FL, The Special Master is an adjunct to an FL court, and the appeal is in the FL federal circuit.
DOJ is going to want this in DC, Trump is going to want this in FL.
There will likely be a legal fight over venue, and though Messy Trump is likely to get venue in FL.
It is even possible though unlikely that Trump can challenge the DC GJ as improper venue.
So far the DOJ is not alleging a crime committed in DC.
It hard to charge espionage using information that is in the public sphere.
If you think that all of the documents with classified markings are “in the public sphere,” you’re even more willfully ignorant than I assumed.
There is absolutely nothing the DoJ can do to rebutt the fact that all the documents are declassified.
It isn’t a fact.
And yet again: the alleged crimes remain crimes even if he declassified the material in question.
Nope, and again stupid.
It can not remain a crime – because it never was a crime.
The president can possess classified documents.
The president can declassify documents.
Declassified documents can be shared with anyone.
Obviously that means you can posses them yourself.
Or are you trying to argue that per the Supreme Court Trump could give than to WaPo or Fax News,
but not keep them himself ?
It is not beyond the realm of possibility for DOJ to establish that some or all of these documents are classified.
But it is not likely.
If these documents were NOT documents that Trump publicly declassified.
If there is no one confirming they were declassified.
If they were moved from a SCIF in the WH to a SCIF at MAL while Trump was president
OR they were somehow stolen after he was not president
A jury could decide they are classified.
I would note that alone is NOT sufficient for a conviction.
For a conviction, they must be Classified.
And one or more of the following:
They must have been actually stolen after Trump was president.
Or there must be evidence they are being provided to an unauthorized party
Or being handled very carelessly.
Being in a safe, being in a locked closet, being in a locked desk drawer are not even close to sufficient for a reckless charge.
Putting them on the internet would.
Giving or worse selling them to a foreign power would.
Stealing them after he was president would – and that is an incredibly hard case to make, as Trump could have just requested them and been provided them.
Resisting government efforts to retrieve them is sufficient to get a court order.
It was not sufficient to get a warrant.
And the above presumes they are still classified.
If they are declassified they are in the public sphere.
That is true even if they are Government documents.
That is what Declassify means – make available to the public.
The markings on the documents are evidence that they may be classified.
They are not proof.
There is zero doubt that if these documents are collusion delusion related documents they are Declassified – whether marked or not. They were declassified by presidential order on multiple occasions – and the courts already decided that. And they were seperately declassified by executive order on Jan 19, 2021.
There are many other documents that Trump publicly declassified – that Trump could still posess a copy that is marked classified.
Only an idiot is going to argue that documents Trump publicly declassifed are still classified because no one has struck the marks.
The more difficult question would be documents that Trump did NOT publicly declassify.
Trump is asserting that as president he had unlimited power to declassify – and he did.
While the burden of proof will be on DOJ to prove that he didn’t, documents that do not fit under the umbrella of documents that Trump publicly declassified and where there is no one saying I heard Trump declassify These are going to be up to a jury to decide.
Jonathan: You have egg on your face. You say the “rage” on the “left” –from Biden and Kamala Harris to Elie Mystal will “bring out those instable individuals who hear such words as an actual call to arms”. Here are other incidents that show where threats of violence are really coming from.
Last Saturday an armed man entered the Dairy Queen in Hunker, Pennsylvania claiming to “restore Trump to president of the United States” and said he would “kill all Democrats”. The man claimed he was a prophet, “talked to God” who told him to “kill all the Democrats because Trump was still president”. The man was arrested without anyone being injured. Then the next day a Michigan man, devoted to the QAnon conspiracy theory, shot and killed his wife, his dog and injured one of his daughters. Another daughter says her father had become increasingly erratic after becoming involved in QAnon–that holds Trump is combating a cabal of satanic pedophiles that run the world. Trump is also be attracted to these conspiracy theories. I suspect some in this chatroom are also similarly attracted. There is definitely “rage’ in this country but it’s not come from the “left”.
Speaking of Trump he is asking Judge Cannon that cost of the Special Master should be “evenly” split between him and the DOJ. The DOJ says since Trump brought the suit so he should pay the entire cost. That’s the normal procedure. Jimmy Falon has a solution: “Great, now they have to bring in a Special Master to decide who has to pay for the Special Master!”. The DOJ even agreed to the Special Master suggested by Trump. A great tactical move. How could Trump complain? If Judge Cannon goes along and allows the DOJ to use the 100 docs to continue its criminal investigation the Special Master will face a dilemma. How to get his bills paid? Trump is notorious for stiffing his attorneys on their bills!
Anyone making a death threat should get arrested. Period.
This transcript should cause her to get a psychiatric evaluation.
Mentally ill people shouldn’t have to hurt someone before they get put into care.
I don’t know if she lacks mental capacity, or not. Glad she was arrested.
Hardees tweet:
“Now that you know we exist… you should really try our pillowy biscuits.”
And a joke about what their sign should read:
https://twitter.com/AdamParkhomenko/status/1570047819712532481
Jonathan: Judge Reinhart also received numerous death threats after he authorized the search warrant of Mar-a-Lago. Don’t recall you writing an entire column about those threats. Yet, when one unhinged Texas woman threatens Judge Cannon you reveal your political stripes and bias. So what happened? The FBI promptly arrested and charged the woman. According to the complaint the woman suffers from “severe mental impairments with symptoms including paranoia and delusions”. All this incident shows is that AG Garland’s DOJ is applying fairly and impartially. Case closed!
So let’s move to a related issue–the latest filing on Monday by Trump’s lawyers re the appointment of a special master to review the material seized by the FBI at Mar-a-Lago. This is an important development you have strangely chosen to ignore–probably because the arguments being made by Trump’s lawyers would embarrass even you. In a brilliant tactical move the DOJ has agreed to a special master. Kind of took the wind out of Trump’s sails. Trump’s lawyers probably expected the DOJ to immediately appeal Judge Cannon’s decision. So now the DOJ is offering Judge Cannon a fair and impartial way to resolve the issue. We will see whether she will seize on this opportunity or is just a Trump political hack.
In it’s brief filed on Monday Trump’s lawyers actually contradicted Trump’s claim that all the docs he took were “declassified”. The brief didn’t even claim the docs were “classified”. They went on an on about the authority of a president to declassify but offered no evidence that Trump actually declassified anything he took back to Mar-a-Lago. They simply argued that the issue of classification should should be “determined later”. An admission Trump never declassified anything. They also falsely claimed all the docs were safely stored in that padlocked storage room.. The rest of the brief was a mish mash of non-sensical gibberish that no sensible judge would accept.
All this underscores the problem facing lawyers attempting to represent Trump. He wants his lawyers to do his bidding rather then accept their informed judgment. Many of Trump’s lawyers are facing possible criminal prosecution. On June 3 Christina Bobb, Trump’s attorney, signed off on the inventory list of material affirming that everything retained by Trump was being returned. That was a lie. In addition more than 40 of Trump’s lawyers are facing ethical complaints for their roles in trying to overturn the 2020 election. Rudy Giuliani, Sidney Powell, John Eastman, Christina Bobb and others. This is why legal experts are now referring to MAGA as “Making Attorneys Get Attorneys”. Poor Donald. He is his own worst enemy when it comes to choosing legal representation.
FWIW, the DOJ may still appeal Cannon’s ruling in its entirety. Cannon’s ruling is a bad precedent. Yesterday, Stewart Rhodes, who founded the Oath Keepers and is facing multiple J6 charges, referred to Cannon’s ruling in demanding a special master in his own case, and he will not be the last defendant to claim a right to a Special Master based on her ruling. The DOJ doesn’t want these Special Master requests delaying cases all over the country, so I expect them to appeal her ruling in its entirety.
What the DOJ has done here is letting that less-time-sensitive issue play out more slowly, while asking Cannon to partially stay her own ruling pending their 11th Circuit appeal, focusing only on the small subset of classified documents.
Turley’s choice to ignore the most recent developments in the case are entirely consistent with his overall approach to choosing topics for this blog: almost exclusively choosing topics that let him feed his right-wing fans.
The special master is required because the FBI, over the period of 270 man hours, swept up everything in sight. Medical records, client, attorney documents, Accounting records, photos, clothing, passports.
The FBI triggered the need for a Special Master.
The FBI have proven themselves political and willing to ignore the law to persecute anything remotely close to President Trump.
Whether there’s a need for a Special Master will be decided by the courts, not by you. The DOJ has already indicated their intention of appealing to the 11th Circuit, and given Trump’s choice to focus on the PRA — in combination with the actual text of the PRA about which court resolves PRA issues — the DOJ could move to have the case heard by the DC Circuit instead.
ATS jumps from one false conclusion to another. He travels the path of an Amoeba, directionless. His prior statement was: “Cannon’s ruling is a bad precedent”, which shifts direction and makes it the court’s decision. Iowan’s point of 270 man hours and the collection of personal and privileged documents was left untouched. It sounds ATS dumps the garbage on every significant question.
BTW, ” the FBI … swept up everything in sight” is clearly false. They left the majority of the boxes they encountered, as is clear from the #s labelling the boxes they did take.
BTW, “They left the majority of the boxes they encountered” Proves the agents had ample time to sort and make determinations as the the status of documents on site. Your claim, Proves the agents acted out of malice, and not because they were rushed and forced to take things quick and sort it out later.
It is clear they were looking for things that the desperately don’t want the public to see.
Nonsense.
The majority of americans do not trust DOJ/FBI on this.
Judge Mehta rejected Rhodes’ request for a special master in Rhodes’ J6 seditious conspiracy case. Mehta also rejected Rhodes’ attempt to delay the trial.
Yeah, exactly!
The brief didn’t even claim the docs were “classified”. They went on an on about the authority of a president to declassify but offered no evidence that Trump actually declassified anything he took back to Mar-a-Lago.
The DoJ has not claimed anything is classified. The warrant admitted they wanted “marked” classified. Even the DoJ knows they are helpless to argue classification in the face of Presidential Plenary power. Then the DoJ invokes the PRA. But the PRA allows unfettered access to the Past President to PRA info.
The brief in essence stated the fact, DoJ has nothing to prove anything is classified. The President is NOT REQUIRED, to offer any proof or documentation.
Asking for a determination now is silly. No crimes have been charged. Dont start a legal defense until you know the charge. The DoJ is claiming the documents are, at the same time, PRA, and “marked” classified. Unsure how the qualifying language works in legal pleading.
“The DoJ has not claimed anything is classified.”
BS. You’re either ignorant or lying. In this case, my guess is the former, since you’ve previously demonstrated that you haven’t read most (any?) of the filings in Trump v US.
You may wish to start with this one:
https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/64911367/69/trump-v-united-states/
“The brief didn’t even claim the docs were “classified”. ”
Dennis, presumably you mean that Trump’s “brief didn’t even claim the docs were “declassified”.”
Trumps brief said the govt has no evidence the documents have no been declassifed. There is no legal process required of the President.
He admitted in his filing this week that he is bound by Executive Order 13526. There is a legal process, and Trump knows it, because he legally declassified some other things when he was President.
More importantly, for the umpteenth time, the alleged crimes remain crimes even if he declassified the material in question. You simply cannot admit it.
If anyone is actualy issueing death threats targeting those in government – or anyone – prosecute them.
I would ask for a source regarding your claims of threats to Reinhart.
I would also note that saying mean things about someone is not a death threat.
Generally those on the left find that when those on the right do half of what they do, the left claims it is immoral or illegal.
News that is damaging to the left or beneficial to the right – does not get reported.
A recent study found that of the 100 counties in the 6 swing states with unusual voting that flipped the 2020 election,
Only 6 of them could provide the voting records they are required to retain by the 1960 civil rights act.
And of those 6 none could even come close to matching the number of voters with the number of ballots.
The error ALWAYS being substantially more ballots than voters.
In one GA county – one with overall better record keeping, there were 35,000 more ballots than voters.
An error that would have not just flipped every state wide seat – based on ONE county, But flipped them substantially.
And Cobb county is the least likely democratic county in GA to have significant Fraud.
There NEVER should be more ballots than voters. That is ALWAYS an indication of election fraud, and typically of Fraud by election officials.
A Judge in TX is being charged as part of a large scale ballot harvesting scheme that has been ongoing for years.
Yet are you reading this on the news ?
“All this incident shows is that AG Garland’s DOJ is applying fairly and impartially. Case closed!”
ROFL
“In a brilliant tactical move the DOJ has agreed to a special master.”
In correct. They have agreed that if they lose their challenges and appeals ONE of Trump’s choices is acceptable to them. They are still appealing. Further they are seeking permission from Judge Cannon to essentially ignore her order and procede without a Special Master.
“Trump’s lawyers probably expected the DOJ to immediately appeal Judge Cannon’s decision.”
They have.
“So now the DOJ is offering Judge Cannon a fair and impartial way to resolve the issue.”
No they have not only appealed they are trying to circumvent her decision in her court.
I am glad that of the 4 Special Masters offered one is acceptable to all parties.
Now if DOJ will drop all its challenges, that Special Master can be appointed and begin work.
With respect to classification – you clearly do not understand the practice of law.
There is no admission that documents were marked classified.
Briefs are legal arguments, those arguments start with assumptions.
Arguments by Trump’s lawyers are supposed to assume that the facts are as specified by the DOJ.
“They went on an on about the authority of a president to declassify but offered no evidence that Trump actually declassified anything he took back to Mar-a-Lago.”
The burden of proof in a criminal case rests with the prosecution.
Though I would note that the DOJ has more problems that Trump here.
Any documents that arguably fall under the umbrella of Collusion Delusion related are obviously declassified.
The DOJ could clarify things easily by asserting under penalty of law that none of the allegedly classified documents have anything to do with the collusion delusion investigation.
“They simply argued that the issue of classification should should be “determined later”. An admission Trump never declassified anything.”
Do you have to destroy your own credibility ? Trump publicly and by executive order declassified THOUSANDS of documents. And not just collusion delusion documents. He ordered the declassification of JFK assassination documents which have been held up for years – and despite Trump’s orders are mostly still held up.
“They also falsely claimed all the docs were safely stored in that padlocked storage room.”
Which they were.
Regardless, that is a question of Fact and DOJ can address that in a trial – if there ever is one, which I doubt.
“The rest of the brief was a mish mash of non-sensical gibberish that no sensible judge would accept.”
And yet, Judge Cannon did accept this case. And despite litterally thousands of cases filed against Trump,
There are very very very few that Trump has actually lost, and those mostly involved providing documents, Trump has won all the underlying cases except the tiny number that have not died yet.
Do you honestly beleive that is a the consequence of bad lawyering ?
“All this underscores the problem facing lawyers attempting to represent Trump. He wants his lawyers to do his bidding rather then accept their informed judgment. Many of Trump’s lawyers are facing possible criminal prosecution.”
Absolutely AG’s and the DOJ are attempting to criminalize representing people they do not like.
And yet those cases against Trump’s lawyers have gone nowhere.
“On June 3 Christina Bobb”
Whose credentialls and reputation dwarf those of most DOJ lawyers.
“In addition more than 40 of Trump’s lawyers are facing ethical complaints for their roles in trying to overturn the 2020 election.”
So you cite efforts to criminalize politics as evidence of misconduct ?
Can we Jail everyone involved in claiming that 2016 was stolen ?
You are burying yourself.
You are literally attacking the foundations of law. You are seeking to criminalize lawyers who argue a position that you do not like.
Nearly every consequential case that has ever been filed, fell short of proof at the time it was filed.
Employees file lawsuits claiming they were not hired or were fired for discriminatory reasons. They RARELY can prove that at the time they file the lawsuit. Their case is typicaly proven or disproven in discovery.
Trump’s lawyers were not allowed to get to discovery in ANY of the election cases – despite thousands of affadavits alleging fraud which prior to trial courts are required by law to presume as true.
The requirement to prove a cases lies with the DOJ, not Trump.
I find it interesting that you want ot go after all of Trump’s attorney’s
Yet, there are no consequences for the army of attorney’s Hillary used to Shill the Steele Hoax, and Alpha Bank Hoax on DOJ.
Nor are there consequences for the hundreds of DOJ and FBI and SC attorney’s who were involved in the Collusion Delusion – where we now know they actually Hired one of the hoaxsters to sheild him from outside investigation by labeling him a confidential human source. This is a person who told them that his work was entirely rumors and gossip from the DNC.
While revalations in the Danchenko case are even more startling than the Sussman case.
It is still likely that Durham loses – because the evidence is that the actually criminal conduct was withing the FBI/DOJ and Special Counsel.
The FBI/DOJ/SC wanted what they got from Danchenko and did not care if it was all lies, in fact they knew it was.
They wanted it to investigate Trump. They did not care if they were doing so lawfully.
And many of these same people are part of the current investigation.
The violence is 100% on the left. Always. They’re taught and conditioned like obedient humanoids to approve of violence against political opponents.
“The violence is 100% on the left.”
If you believe that, then you’re ignorant or lying to yourself.
The violent right is at it again,
“ A Pennsylvania Trump supporter has been arrested after he barged into a local Dairy Queen and informed patrons he was working to restore Trump as “president king” while also vowing to “kill Democrats.”
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/armed-man-wearing-rainbow-wig-said-hed-restore-trump-as-president-king-and-kill-democrats-police/ar-AA11MGJC?li=BBnb7Kz
Trump supporters are indeed a violent bunch too.
Okay, I read the story. There was no violence. The guy in the clown outfit was arrested without incident. In other words, you’re following the old advice given to lawyers. “When you have the facts on your side, argue the facts. When you have the law on your side, argue the law. And when you have neither, blow smoke.” So, what more smoke do you have to blow?
Sure, Svel. Because everyone knows MSN has no agenda whatsoever, and their reporters are super careful to verify their stories before publishing/airing them. It’s exactly the same as watching the words literally come out of the mouths of dem leaders on live TV or video, seemingly every other day, for six straight years. Yup.
Sure. Because everyone knows Dairy Queen is where the militias hang out.
One side definitely needs to stand down, back off, chill out, or back down, and it isn’t the Republicans. Democrats are despotic and behaving exactly the way they fear Republicans (Maga-Trump) would be behaving (if they had any real power) – it’s a bizarre spectacle that will be researched for generations.
“Think about what your thinking about”, The Big Guy.
Exactly .. Turke@@@@.fighters his first courageous case. Area51. Come on man
The My Pillow Man??? Say it ain’t so. !
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“MyPillow CEO Mike Lindell says FBI seized his cellphone…”
– Washington Times
Before the FBI may seize a phone, a judge must have found probable cause that evidence of a crime will be found on it.
What crime do you think there’s evidence of?
Before the FBI may seize a phone, a judge must have found probable cause
No, The FBI does not have to have probable cause. All they have to do is lie, and claim they do.
Iowan2, spot on.
It seems there are a few types of Magat on this blog…
First is the authoritarian variety: see Mespo. He doesn’t buy trump’s schtick one hundred percent, he just doesn’t have much faith in human nature and wants to align his bets with the jackboots to protect his own interests. He’s brashly hoping that someone won’t come and throw a black hood over his head like he was a Lukoil exec one day.
Of course there’s another group who are just fully certifiable morons who should wear head protection at all times when walking around as a shield against the inevitable. They sputter the three letter phrase “ATS” in the comment section here as if wasn’t a badge of flagrant stupidity to be caught using it.
Then there’s this group that seems to actually buy the latest hail mary from the trump camp every time it becomes obvious he’s going to be indicted. I’m curious whether they actually believe the staggeringly poor rationales generated to draw attention away from trump…, and of course they prove a solid demographic for Turley to pitch his push piece op eds to. Works out for both sides: Turley gets paid for generating the leads and to workshop fox talking points, Magats get a reason not to feel the full impact of the sting of realizing the money and time they’ve donated to trump’s scams has truly been a waste of time. Their families probably desperately pray they’ll be able to avoid mental hospitals and the next trumpist attempt to move on the Capitol.
Sometimes it seems you’re not in the head protection group, Iowan. Sometimes not. You’re a riddle.
every time it becomes obvious he’s going to be indicted
Everytime, it is in fact, so obvious….it never happens.
Transparently deflecting from facts to isolate yourself in the realm of ad hominem
Go ahead defend the FBI and all their proven corruption. But you will refuse to address all the corruption
Just like you refuse to defend Citizens United. You called the SCOTUS ruling one of the courts worst, but refuse to defended the law
Just like you refuse to address the latest filings concerning the Special Master.
Avoiding facts, instead using personal attacks….ad hominem.
You’ve presented no evidence that they lied.
They lied on all the FISA warrants. Actually altered the content of an email, to change its meaning. The FBI leaked their lies to the media (Iasikoff at yahoo news) then used his story as evidence in the Woods file.
An extension of a warrant, (there were three for the Carter warrant) required the FBI declare the warrant is still producing results and needed to further their evidence to indict and prosecute. ALL of Crossfire Hurricane is a lie.
But all those lies never resulted any punishment. Lying to get warrants exposes the FBI to little risk, because the remedy in the law is the loss of all evidence to use in a trial. Since the Corrupt DoJ never considered an actual trial, lying and leaking the infomation, carefully curated to support the narrative is the only purpose of the warrant.
They didn’t lie on all of the FISA warrants, the FISA warrants are a minute fraction of all FBI warrants, and the FISA warrants have nothing to do with THIS warrant for Lindell’s phone, which is not even before the FISC.
Again, you’ve presented no evidence that they lied on THIS warrant application.
Mister pedantic is in for an appearance.
They lied on oll four of the Carter Page FISA warrants. Just asking for the extension was base on the lie, that the warrant was yielding useful information.
Focus just on the Lindell warrant, fine. But tell me, Is there a single thing a person can do to challenge a warrant and refuse to turn over information? No, there is no path to challenge a warrant. A citizens only resort is to show the warrant is corrupt to the trial judge and get the evidence barred from being used. Thats it, All the protection afforded. But the DoJ has no intent of needing the evidence. The process is the punishment. So the DoJ can do as they please. Harass citizens, and never suffer any consequences.
Do tell us the lie on the first Page warrant.
I won’t hold my breath.
“there is no path to challenge a warrant.”
There is if the person is charged, as you already admit.
“the DoJ has no intent of needing the evidence. ”
You cannot read minds and shouldn’t pretend to.
iowan2:
I applaud your effort. But you’re never going to convince an apologist of anything.You’ll have more success trying to convince a gangster to become law-abiding.
.Wrong, ATS. Iowan’s replies provide information to anyone reading the blog. Your debate with him is like a FAQ where you provide false information, and Iowan corrects it. That permits others to learn how to read between the lies of what your type of person says.
Where Iowan might have failed, history has proven him right while you wrong repeatedly.
We can bind your little debates into a book called ‘How to Correct the Lies for Dummies’ or’ How Not to be an ATZ’, Anonymous the Zombie.
Head protection alert.
No. That was under the Constitution.
America now abides under “Crazy Joe’s” “Reign of Terror” – “Crazy Abe” Lincoln Reloaded, the Sequel!!!
A violent and hateful pillow fight.
He’s a Trump supporter. It’s all the Gestapo FBI has, or needs to please their left wing bosses….
“What crime do you think there’s evidence of?”
That he is a vocal and prominent Trump supporter.
A judge wouldn’t sign your imagined warrant.
“A judge wouldn’t sign your imagined warrant.”
You’re right. A judge would sign the warrant concocted by the FBI — which is motivated by a desire to “get Trump.”
You’ve presented zero evidence that the FBI “concocted” the evidence for the warrant for Lindell’s phone. That you believe it doesn’t make it true.
That you evade history and motivation proves, yet again, that you are intellectually dishonest and an apologist.
Forgot to mention Lindell’s other “crime:” He’s a major advertiser on Fox.
You haven’t been paying attention.
After Biden was installed in the White House, Scott Adams predicted that “Republicans will be hunted.” What’s the FBI gonna do now? Arrest all the MAGA Republicans one by one? No one is stopping Biden’s Stasi, are they? Where is Mitch McConnell? Oh that’s right, he hates MAGA too, so he’s fine with Biden’s Reign of Terror.
The process is the punishment. Using the powers of law enforcement against political rivals is what despots do. Now, it’s what Democrats do. How any decent person can support any Democrat for office is a stain on their integrity and honor. Shameful. If you cannot vote for another party, then stay home and think hard about your ethics.
All the idiots saying there needs to be action and “we need to fight back” No, that’s what they want you to do. You fight back by burning the polling card that was mailed to you and you vote in person, on voting day. PERIOD
Yes. Vote in person on Election Day. Beat the algorithms.
Here is an article from Solomon that just came in on Jan6
Capitol Police whistleblower memo lays out Jan. 6 ‘intelligence failures’ on Pelosi watch
“The notion that valid intelligence is trumped by optics or political decisions is unacceptable and puts lives in danger,”
Solomon provides real names behind the story, not anonymous names like Anonymous the Stupid.
The author of the report waited to send the report, “he wanted to let subside his anger at watching his colleagues needlessly fight off a riot that could have been prevented or mitigated.” Yes, Nancy Pelosi is culpable but she doesn’t get to testify.
Here are the pertinent documents (one can link at the site)
This is trustworthy news not like the cr-p we get from ATS except when he posts long pieces he hasn’t read or don’t pertain to the discussion
https://justthenews.com/government/congress/capitol-police-whistleblower-memo-lays-out-jan-6-intelligence-failures-pelosi?utm_source=breaking&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter#article
“This guy’s a hoot. “
Not only did you run away after sliming Solomon but you are back to making sure your responses are deleted. You are weird.
ATS, slimer-in-chief, I refer you above. But the last time we discussed Solomon, you slimed away and then ran away when you were confronted with facts.
It is unfortunate yet predictable that none of the commenters on here mention Kenneth Starr, especially the so called Republicans, “conservatives” or MAGA crop.
Ken Starr married a Jew who converted to Christianity. He walked the talk. He was an honorable man, a respected attorney, a man who believed deeply in morality and truth, who faced evil in the forces of Clinton Inc. He graduated from George Washington U.
RIP Judge Starr
https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/kenneth-w-starr-former-federal-judge-and-us-solicitor-general-dies-at-76-301623638.html
KENNETH W. STARR, Former Federal Judge and U.S. Solicitor General, Dies at 76
HOUSTON, Sept. 13, 2022 /PRNewswire/ — .
Robert Vagley, former President of the American Insurance Association and a friend of nearly four decades, said to an inquiring reporter that he deeply admired “Ken’s absolute decency, his rock solid faith, his love for his wife and children, his loyalty to family and friends, his devotion to our country and Constitution, his belief in the rule of law and an ordered and civil society, his willingness to serve for the greater good without regard for his own plans and wishes, his always sunny disposition, his charity and good will to all, his humility and selflessness, his charming and jocular personality, and his Texas-bred and Texas sized strength of character.”
apropos
Speaking for all of Ken’s children, Randall said: “We are deeply saddened with the loss of our dear and loving Father and Grandfather, whom we admired for his prodigious work ethic, but who always put his family first. The love, energy, endearing sense of humor, and fun-loving interest Dad exhibited to each of us was truly special, and we cherish the many wonderful memories we were able to experience with him. He is now with his Lord and Savior.”
Amen.
“It is unfortunate yet predictable that none of the commenters on here mention Kenneth Starr, especially the so called Republicans, “conservatives” or MAGA crop.”
Why did anyone have to mention Ken Starr? I liked him and saw him healthy about two years ago. Should I have reported back to you what he had to say? The Queen also died, should we have mentioned her as well? How about Mikhail Gorbachov? I feel certain that you read at least one book by David McCullough. Why didn’t you mention him?
What is your point?
Bill Clinton actually committed crimes while in office – Trump has not. That’s vital to the story – Catch Up!
Samuel, I don’t know how this pertains to my comment. Out of the blue, Estovir complained that Maga supporters didn’t mention Ken Starr, who was not under discussion. I pointed out that many notable people died who were also left unmentioned.
I recognize Ken Starr’s accomplishments, but I am not sure why you said what you did.
“What is your point?”
His point, as always, is that you are not a true republican unless you are a full-blown theocrat.
I hate to say it, but Prof. Turley is clueless to the rage existing in today’s politcal climate in the US. In reality, the rage is 100% on the left and the Deep State that support that agenda. In fact, the Biden Administration is setting the Tone of Terrorism to force it’s political agenda on the people, crushing freedom and liberty wherever they can be found. So, if Prof. Turley had any observational skills, he would recognize that this deranged little terrorist threatening a Federal Judge is actually carrying out the messages received from the Biden Administration and its allies in the presstitute media.
Those white supremacist-racist are at it again. You can spot them a mile away.
Deluding oneself is the first sign of impotence !!!
Jourpmfox, How am I deceiving anyone?