Below is my column in the New York Post on the recently disclosed videotapes from Jan. 6th. The tapes include images never seen before by the public of that day. However, my interest was drawn primarily to the images of “QAnon Shaman” Jacob Chansley being escorted through the Capitol. That footage raises serious questions about Chansley’s case in my view.
I am continuing to pursue the implications of the video today, but here is the column:
Fox’s Tucker Carson aired the long-awaited release of previously undisclosed footage from the Jan. 6 riot this week.
The first tranche of videotapes elicits major concerns over Jan. 6 committee members’ past claims.
Yet the most serious disclosures, in my view, relate to the case of “QAnon Shaman” Jacob Chansley.
I previously expressed reservations over the heavy sentence given to Chansley.
The new footage raises more questions about the Justice Department’s and the court’s handling of the case.
After the Republican Party boycotted the committee following the rejection of its proposed members, the committee could have strived to offer a balanced inquiry.
Instead, it hired a former ABC producer to put on a production for television, including tightly scripted statements and questions.
Witnesses were used as virtual props, and the committee consistently blocked any alternative views and evidence.
The members repeatedly used the hearing to make a pitch for the midterm and 2024 elections.
Even The New York Times admitted the narrative was meant to “recast the midterm message” and “give [Democrats] a platform for making a broader case about why they deserve to stay in power.”
I supported the committee’s creation, and I was highly critical of President Donald Trump’s remarks before the riot.
Indeed, I publicly condemned Trump’s speech while it was being given, and I called for a bipartisan vote of censure over his responsibility in the riots.
I also found much of the testimony to be highly disturbing from respected public servants opposed to the violence and the election denial.
The committee sacrificed its legitimacy by putting on hearings that often sounded more like a show trial than an objective congressional inquiry. It could have been so much more.
But the footage of Chansley was most disturbing.
I have supported the prosecution of those who rioted on Jan. 6. As I said immediately after the riot, it was a desecration of our constitutional process.
Yet many of us were surprised Chansley was given a 41-month sentence for “obstructing a federal proceeding.”
The sentence exceeded those handed down for violent offenses. Indeed, an Antifa member who took an axe to a member’s office in Fargo, ND, was later given probation … and his axe back.
I also objected to the Justice Department’s draconian treatment in holding figures like Chansley in prolonged solitary confinement without any apparent justification.
We knew Chansley was not shown engaging in violence or property destruction. The footage, however, showed Chansley walking through one of the doors with hundreds of others but escorted through the Capitol by a couple of officers.
The officials appear to be assisting him in gaining access to internal areas.
He walks past a dozen armed officers who do not try to stop him. He even appears to thank the officers for their assistance.
It’s not clear if the defense had access to all of these videotapes. Regardless, these tapes are in sharp contrast to what was presented in court.
The Justice Department portrayed Chansley as a violent offender. Prosecutor Kimberly Paschall played videos to show Chansley yelling along with the crowd. “That is not peaceful,” she insisted.
In his sentence, Judge Royce Lamberth noted, “He made himself the image of the riot, didn’t he? For good or bad, he made himself the very image of this whole event.”
I have great respect for Lamberth, but the sentence was hard to justify, particularly when compared with other defendants.
A Navy veteran, Chansley had no prior criminal record and pleaded guilty. He stood before Lamberth and implored that there was “a lot of bad juju that I never meant to create.”
Yet none of those mitigating factors seemed to count for much.
I agree with Lamberth that Chansley and others warrant longer than average sentences due to this attack on our constitutional process. However, Chansley seems to have a unique “aggravating factor” in his sentencing for “iconic costuming.”
An out-of-work actor, Chansley instantly became a sensation by appearing in his animal headdress, horns and red-white-and-blue face paint.
Had he merely worn a MAGA hat and chinos, he would likely have been given a fraction of this sentence.
Chansley did not appear to be a leader of any group that day as he wandered about the Capitol. The only people with him were often two attending and remarkably attentive Capitol police officers.
On the Senate floor, he is described as “chanting an unintelligible mantra” before leaving.
Chansley reaffirms the old expression among defense attorneys: “One day on the cover of Time, next day doing time.” That is a price that comes from being a celebrity shaman.
Once again, Chansley and any rioters deserve jail time. What occurred on Jan. 6 was a disgrace that has caused a lasting wound for this nation.
But making Chansley an example because he was the most visible is dangerously detached from his underlying conduct.
I have no particular sympathy for Chansley, but I do have concerns for the system that sentenced him.
In the end, justice has to remain blind. In this case, that means focusing on the crime rather than the costume.
Thanks for shedding light on the unaddressed concerns in the recent Jan. 6 case. It’s important that justice is served fairly and not based on external factors such as appearance.
I am not seeing much of this in the MSM or even Fox, but there is a Mess in the Proud Boys case
After the DOJ’s star witness admitted thqat he lied under oath to the J6 committee and to DOJ and completely undermined DOJ’s case, more recently the DOJ sent a spread sheet to the defense as part of discovery, and the rocket scientiests at DOJ – instead of deleting the content that was purportedly unrelated or highly classified – they merely hid the rows with that data in and the defense attorney’s unhid it and found all kinds of exculpatory information that DOJ was hiding – including admissions by DOJ attorney’s that they had no case and were persuing it soley on orders from above, and that attorney’s were directed to destroy evidence, and to alter records removing the names of superiors who attended meetings so no one could call them to testify.
The BP case should be dismissed, but I doubt that will happen.
There should be serious sanctions – including disbarment and even possibly criminal charges for some involved.
But that is not going to happen.
This is shades of the FISA warrant and falsifiying and destroying evidence – except that not even the slap on the wrist that occured there is going to happen.
In his book “The Nightmare Years: 1930-1935” the author and journalist William Shirer described an incident that occurred in Afghanistan when he had snuck into the country against the advice of the British military. He was with his guide and joking with a crowd of boys and old men. Then something happened, within a moment, the crowd turned from friendly into a mob that were hurling stones at he and his guide. Just that quick.
There are strange group dynamics, especially when a crowd is spooked that can turn a peaceful protest into a mob. This wasn’t an insurrection. It was a huge crowd and those closest to the Capitol turned mob. There was insufficient security. In some cases, the discipline of the Capitol Police broke down, which further escalated into pandemonium. There were crimes by a subset of the crowd and I don’t think there are many who think that these should go unpunished. But fairly judged. What is bizarre is how this has been blown up in the media and how they have taken the stance, “I’ve made up my mind, don’t confuse me with the facts!”
Here is the excerpt from William Shirer’s account of the crowd turning in an instant. It serves as an example of why being near huge crowds is not a good idea. “The crowd, mostly boys and old men, was friendly enough as Bosshard (my guide) started snapping pictures with his Leica. He would stop and give the youngsters some silver foil from his film packs and joke with them in Pushtu. The old men grinned toothlessly.
Suddenly, a couple of young mullahs appeared and started angrily to harangue the crowd. In an instant the amiable crowd was transformed into an angry, threatening mob…..
The youngsters, who a moment before had been laughing with us, started to pick up loose stones and hurl them at us. I had never been stoned before—It was something I read about in the Bible. I looked back at our car, some hundred yards down the street and turned to run for it.
“Don’t!” Bosshard said sternly. “Don’t run!”
Again he took his revolver out and held it up. “Keep facing them. And step back slowly,” he said calmly. Once or twice we had to jerk our arms up to our faces to ward off a missile. We kept treading backward toward the car. The crowd kept edging closer. Their aim was getting better. The damned street seemed to be loaded with stones. Finally Bosshard brandished his gun and fired a couple of shots in the air. The crowd stopped. By this time, we had nearly reached our car. We back-treaded the last thirty feet as fast as we could, Bosshard covering our retreat.
“Jump in fast!” On the other side. Don’t turn your back!” He was calm but decisive. He put his gun down, threw himself in the car behind the wheel, and turned the starter. In a second we were off, a few parting stones falling harmlessly on the roof of the car.”
There were many mistakes made. There were crimes committed. It is time to review ALL the facts and dispel emotion.
That should read; “The Nightmare Years; 1930-1940” by William L Shirerz
Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it and the people will believe it.
– Joseph Goebbels / Nazi Minister of Propaganda
Dennis Mactired is trying her best to channel Joseph Goebbels. Fact
The lying Jan. 6th insurrection narrative may be officially debunked by the evidence of the newly released video. Yet, the progressive Marxist policy makers don’t care because their insurrection big lie has already poisoned the minds of their useful idiot Democrat electorate many of whom still believe Trump colluded with Russia three years after Mueller himself said he didn’t. The Democrat-owned Marxist leaning media will never tell their Democrat viewers, fewer and fewer with each passing year, the truth about the January 6th protest regardless of any footage which might exonerate the protesters from insurrectionist allegations.
All these progressive Marxist Democrat policy makers care about is that their mendacious narratives to do as much damage as possible for as long as possible to the Founding Fathers idea of the United States. Full stop.
Just read Dennis, Gigi, Svelaz, etc paid talking points as provided by their CCP funded masters
They’re aware that because so far they’ve been unable to thoroughly suppress the truth that their lies and kangaroo courts will eventually be shown up for the shams they are. Witness Chuck Schumer’s complete and thorough betrayal of the Bill of Rights yesterday calling for censorship of Fox News, Tucker Carlson. Yet Hillary can fund the Steele Dossier, and not a peep from any Democrat as to her destroying US Democracy. Then there is Biden literally asking Americans to pull their triggers on select SCOTUS Members with zero consequence to the Imbecile in the White-Rainbow House.
That is why these baby killers lie as long as their lie retains its power to dupe their useful idiot electorate. And, when one big lie loses its deceptive power, they simply construct another and another and another and…their cynicism regarding their Democrat electorate is matched only by their moral depravity. No wonder they like to groom little boys and girls
Indeed, the only reason the Capitol surveillance video has been approved for public dissemination is because, as with the Russian collusion narrative, it’s been determined that, in the minds of their useful idiot electorate, the insurrection lie has already dealt a devastating blow to Republicans ….but they were wrong, thus their present grand mal seizures and foaming at the mouth as if being administered electroconvulsive shock ….if only
Their baby killing misleadia will keep the truth of the event hermetically sealed–and they know it. As with the Russian collusion big lie–even when you show Democrats step by step and lie by lie that there is absolutely no evidence that Trump colluded with Russia to win the 2016 election–they will refuse to believe it. The NY Times won a pulitzer prize with Walter Duranty’s fake reporting on no starvation occurring by the NYT biggest fan at the time: Joseph Stalin. One should never under-estimate Democrat credulity!
Leftist Marxist MSM propaganda is very effective if it is trusted even when it is later debunked. From imperial Russia to Batista’s Cuba, from NKorea to Red China, in every country taken down by marxists there’s a long trail of media lies which gives the history behind their demise. And so it will be in ours.
Duranty’s Lethal Lies
https://thenewamerican.com/duranty-s-lethal-lies/
“The Times, in fact, has a long history of misleading the public through selective coverage and the reporting of outright lies and falsehoods. This is especially the case whenever a left-wing tyrant or budding dictator has found himself in need of a friend in the media. In late 1957, for instance, as Marxist revolution swept Cuba, the Times published a series of influential reports by Herbert Matthews lionizing a young revolutionary leader named Fidel Castro. The Castro program, the Times reported, “amounts to a new deal for Cuba, radical, democratic, and therefore anti-Communist.”
Dennis you are no Herbert Matthew but Walter Duranty would be proud of your lying for the CCP Uniparty
Jonathan: It was only a matter of time. You have now joined Tucker Carlson in claiming his airing of the Jan. 6 security video footage proves it was not an insurrection but just a peaceful assemblage. On his 3/6 show Carlson falsely claimed “these were not insurrectionists, they were sightseers”. The part Carlson didn’t show was the insurrectionists breaking in doors and windows to get into the Capitol–and beating up Capitol police who stood in their way. Minor details.
When it comes to QAnon Shaman Jacob Chansley, Carlson falsely claimed Capitol police “helped” him and “acted as his tour guides”. No. They repeatedly asked him to leave the building. Remember the Capitol police were outnumbered 1000 to one. Their tactic was to try to de-escalate, not to try to use force to get the insurrectionists to leave the Capitol. And remember Chansley pleaded guilty to a serious felony–unlawfully entering the Capitol to try to overturn an election. But you claim Chansley’s 41 months was too harsh. Frankly, I think he got off easy.
Outside the loyal MAGA supporters who watch Fox, everyone has denounced Carlson’s attempt to sanitize what happened on Jan. 6. Even GOP Minority leader Mitch McConnel and other Republican senators have called Carlson’s version of the events absurd and misleading. The only thing Fox got right is when they called Arizona for Biden. But since then Fox has back peddled and has perpetuated all the lies about the election and Jan. 6. It appears Carlson now rules the roost at Fox and you know your role–to provide an echo chamber for the chief host at Fox.
So when you put that disclaimer at the end of your 3/5 column that: “I appear on Fox as a legal analyst and my views on this blog are neither connected to nor approved by Fox…”. I only smile. Of course, you don’t need “approval” from Rupert Murdock for everything you write because you clearly understand what is expected of you. You are a paid propagandist–you know like Joseph Goebbels. I would imagine Goebbels didn’t need Hitler’s “approval” for everyone of his speeches. He also knew what was expected of him.
Dennis:
“The part Carlson didn’t show was the insurrectionists breaking in doors and windows to get into the Capitol–and beating up Capitol police who stood in their way. Minor details.”
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Er, Dennis … he did show it. And it was shown first. You’ve proven yet again your investigation is liimted to reading and regurgitating the talking points of the Daily Dim Worker’s Party Newspaper. You don’t know what you’re talking about and well, I wasted a whole three minutes reading your spiel. My bad.
mespo727272: At least we know one thing. You are an avid watcher of Fox and Tucker Carlson. If you believe everything you hear there you are the one “reading and regurgitating” what you see on Fox. And I don’t read the Daily Worker–or whatever it is called these days. And thanks for reading my “spiel”. I do try very hard to deal in FACTS–not conspiracy theories. You should do the same.
Caught liars are funny and pathetic advocates all at the same time.
“I do try very hard to deal in FACTS”
No, you don’t.
You *think* you deal in facts, but that is only testament to how utterly weak-minded, malleable, mush-brained you *actually* are. The media you consume is garbage, and fills your head with garbage, as evidenced by your comments here. It’s laughable, but also sad, and alarming how dense and propagandized you are.
Dennis lies about almost everything. Its fun when he gets caught in full lie.
Thank you.
I rarely watch Tucker. I did not know that he aired some of the video of the violence.
Of course those on the left would not know a thing about “fair and balanced” or Fox.
They do not watch, but feel free to pontificate as experts.
I would note – Carlson was not obligated to provide “both sides” – the J6 committee Was obligated to seek and present the truth.
Jonathan Turley: “I have supported the prosecution of those who rioted on Jan. 6. As I said immediately after the riot, it was a desecration of our constitutional process.”
Jonathat Turley: “Once again, Chansley and any rioters deserve jail time. What occurred on Jan. 6 was a disgrace that has caused a lasting wound for this nation.”
Dennis McIntyre: “You [Turley] have now joined Tucker Carlson in claiming …the Jan. 6 security video footage proves it was not an insurrection but just a peaceful assemblage.”
See how this great blog site gets polluted with dishonest garbage?
“everyone has denounced Carlson’s attempt to sanitize what happened on Jan. 6.
Even GOP Minority leader Mitch McConnel and other Republican senators….”
Correct, because this is not about left vs. right. They are all part of the permanent Ruling Party (aided by their media allies, imbedded permanent ‘deep state’ bureacracy, mega corporations, and of course, Big Tech).
Isn’t it interesting how ALL of them are aligned against one man: Trump — who actually brought us four years of prosperity and peace. Imagine that.
And ps….they know the election was stolen. They all know it.
” The part Carlson didn’t show was the insurrectionists breaking in doors and windows to get into the Capitol–and beating up Capitol police who stood in their way.”
Carlson is not government he has no duty to show everything. We have all seen the half hour or so of video you reference – over and over and over. A half hour or so out of 41,000 total hours. Pretty much proves that what occured was fundimentally a peaceful protest.
Further – The left, democrats, the media, DOJ have all been hiding all of this from us for 2 years.
That hiding is itself evidence.
Specifically in the case of DOJ it is malfeasance – Prosecutors have a duty to provide exculpatory evidence to the defense.
Regardless, no one is argument that those who broke in doors and windows – so far the evidence is that occurred only in the West Tunnel, to gain entrance, and those who initiated violent attacks on the police – again that is why we need ALL the video – we have ALL seen the West Tunnel Video’s. We have not until recently seen the evidence that increasingly indicates that the CP started the Mele bty firing tear gass into a peaceful crowd that was outside legally protesting.
Regardless, we determine what the truth is with ALL THE EVIDENCE – not the cherry picked garbage that we have been sold the past 2 years.
When you hide things – it is reasonable for the rest of us to conclude it is because you are lying.
And the left has been hiding the truth for decades.
“When it comes to QAnon Shaman Jacob Chansley, Carlson falsely claimed Capitol police “helped” him and “acted as his tour guides”.”
Some of this video has audio. You are incorrect. Regardless, the video shows him following them – not the other way arround – and them opening locked doors for him.
That is NOT asking him to leave repeatedly.
“No. They repeatedly asked him to leave the building.”
So where is that on the video ?
“Remember the Capitol police were outnumbered 1000 to one.”
Another lie. There were 3400 CP available – there were not 3.4 million protestors in the capitol. There were not 3.4M election protestors in DC that day.
There were somewhere between 1-2000 people who actually entered the Capitol building. Those who did not with very very few exceptions violated no laws and posed no threat to anyone.
What we are now learning is that neither did those inside the capitol.
Far and away the largest number entered through open doors, walked through peacefully, were courteous with the CP who were courteous back
nearly all even stayed between the ropes.
In otherwords this was nothing like the ACTUALLY VIOLENT Kavanaugh protests.
“Their tactic was to try to de-escalate, not to try to use force to get the insurrectionists to leave the Capitol.”
Correct and proper. That is their job, I am not faulting them for that.
But what the video is showing is there was nothing to descalate.
“And remember Chansley pleaded guilty to a serious felony–unlawfully entering the Capitol to try to overturn an election. But you claim Chansley’s 41 months was too harsh. Frankly, I think he got off easy.”
There is no crime of trying to overturn an election. Unlawfull entry – if he actually committed that is a summary offence – not jailable.
Doing so defiantly – is a petty misdemeanor.
And you still have not actually proved that Chamlsey actually entered unlawfully.
Regardless, do not make up fake crimes.
“Outside the loyal MAGA supporters who watch Fox, everyone has denounced Carlson’s attempt to sanitize what happened on Jan. 6.”
Actually no – even left leaning shows like Krystal Ball on Breaking points are very critical of Dems on this.
Further many of the very people you are citing are OPENLY violating the constitution they swore to uphold.
Carlson is constitutionally free to show this. Those in Government – like all the usual suspects – Schumer McConnell Romney, Chenney. …
who are threatening Tucker and Fox are violating their oath of office. Those in government may not threaten others over free speech
” Even GOP Minority leader Mitch McConnel and other Republican senators have called Carlson’s version of the events absurd and misleading.”
Which makes you wonder what they have to hide.
Why has this been hidden for 26 months. I wish MacCarthy had just made this all public. There is still discussion of that happening.
Regardless, people are not being mislead by watching what atrually happened.
We do not need You or the J6 committee to explian what we can see with our own eyes.
We do not need Tucker carlson to do so.
But we do wonder why the Left, Democrats the media, You, and a small subset of Republicans are constantly telling us not to trust our eyes, the facts, documents, that we are all too stupid to watch read and assess the truth ourselves.
For people who are supposedly all about democracy you are incredibly antidemocratic.
“It appears Carlson now rules the roost at Fox”
When you have the top rated news show – you pretty much do.
MSNBC is currently #15 in ratings – behind 14 Fox shows.
CNN is #25 – behind about 23 Fox shows.
Aparently people do not trust Democrats, the rest of the media, or YOU.
For good reason – because you constantly hide the truth,
And when it gets out tell them not to beleive their own eyes.
Since you raised Goebels
“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”
NOTE – Maintaining a big lie REQUIRES THE STATE.
Fox is not the State.
Schumer is. Biden is the J6 committee is, the FBI is, DOJ is.
“When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.”
That is what all this is about.
J6 struck fear into the hearts and minds of those in govenrment.
Your false J6 narative is an effort to make sure those in government never have to fear the people they rule again.
Its not working;
Methinks thous dost protest too much.
Uh, not exactly “peaceful” when you see the masses surging the doors, pushing against the guards, etc.
You are a serial liar just like your Furher Joe Biden.
Liz Cheney still thinks her corrupt J6 committee presented “unassailable evidence” to the public.
The reality of the J6 committee? It was one-sided, cherry-picked, manipulation of information put forward in a made-for-TV-primetime-drama to “get Trump” and interfere in the midterm elections.
There was evidence intentionally withheld from the public. There was no scrutiny. There was no cross examination.
It was a sham. It was a Soviet show trial. And the public did not buy it.
Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger, and all the rest of them, are despicably dishonest people who clearly abused their power.
Lock them all up and throw away the keys.
Like her father, Liz Cheney should be shunned and not allowed to show her ugly face in polite society ever again. She will never, ever hold political power again. She is finished.
Liz who?
Daddy, daddy, make me president; you promised!!!
JT:
“Once again, Chansley and any rioters deserve jail time. What occurred on Jan. 6 was a disgrace that has caused a lasting wound for this nation.”
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Oh in sane, just world you’re exactly right but what do you tell Chansley when the rioters in Portland (who torched a federal courthouse) and any scuzzy member of the BLM/Antifa (not just an idea we find) rioters who really killed people (mostly black)ON THAT DAY and still no prosecutions by the federales? Well, you talk selective prosecution – a topic the Left has forgotten about since they run the persecution … er … prosecution services. I’d walk Chansley out of jail so fast you might even hear the BLMers look up and stop chanting “Pigs in the blanket, fry like bacon.” Naw, that’s their million dollar meal ticket.
Oh and I truly can’t wait for Chansley’s Brady v. Maryland motion based on withheld surveillance tapes showing our Norseman being led around (escorted even) around the Capitol with Capitol Police jiggling the locks to the Senate chamber to show him around. Four years in prison for saying crazy shinola in the Great Well of the Senate? If that’s the rule, then Maj Leader Schmuckmer deserves 30 years in the pokey!
@mespo,
I think what JT is saying is that regardless of how the officers treated him… he was guilty of being part of the ‘mob’ protesting outside the capitol which forced the joint session of Congress to pause their required duties.
That’s the felony.
The issue of how a group of protesters outside the capitol forced Congress to vacate is another story and goes beyond the scope of this individual.
But the issue is… was he given a fair trial? Was exculpatory evidence withheld? In light of this evidence would he even had gotten jail time?
Not to mention the mistreatment and abuse in pretrial detention.
-G
Gumby (lovethe name damnit):
“I think what JT is saying is that regardless of how the officers treated him… he was guilty of being part of the ‘mob’ protesting outside the capitol which forced the joint session of Congress to pause their required duties.
That’s the felony.”
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The defense of selective prosecution presumes you committed the felony. It just says the government who prosecutes you can’t be ethically worse than you are. Wanna argue the govenment is a paragon of virtue with its two-tiered “justice for just-us” system?
Mespo,
I think everyone notices the selective prosecution and the selective sentencing being given.
But the point I was making was that the fact that Congress had to vacate the building meant that a felony had occurred.
There’s clearly more to this… and my other point/question was that regardless of the underlying felony, a Brady violation had occurred. I know that JT made comments where the prosecution could claim that the videos were in the hands of the legislative branch thus not available to them… but even that falls flat.
The prosecution had videos which meant that the videos were available to them. Then there’s the question of who had the videos. Not the legislative branch but the Capitol Police and the building’s security. Those videos are not a single item. They are digital and can easily be copied and distributed. While there may be security concerns it doesn’t matter. The fact that some videos were released to the prosecution meant that they had access to all.
-G
“But the point I was making was that the fact that Congress had to vacate the building meant that a felony had occurred.”
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Sorry, I don’t follow.
What it all means is this: the government lied.
Anyone suprised???
There is no crime of protesting a joint session of congress.
Congress was not FORCED to do anything – they chose to leave.
A significant part of What Tucker is providing is the evidence that those inside the capitol were peaceful – Far more peaceful than Kavanaugh protestors.
Yet, while Kavanaugh protestors were actively running arround trying to disrupt – congress continued to do their job.
Those of you on the left constantly abuse the meaning of words.
It is self evident from the video of people peacefully moving through the capital that all congress had to fear from these people was the political consequences of ignoring them.
The mob outside was protesting peacefully.
It can not be a felny to peacefully protest.
“Stop the Steal” is a self-incriminating mantra and statement of purpose to interfere with the Constitutional transfer of Presidential power. I’m still waiting for the instigators and organizers to be indicted. What kind of elitist justice system prosecutes the lowest-level offenders while letting the ringleaders slide? How corrupt is that?
Investigations are ongoing. It’s common for investigations to work their way up.
How is “Stop the Steal” any more self-incriminating than “Hands Up, Don’t Shoot” or “Black Lives Matter” or “Russian Collusion”?
I consider these Jan 6th folks like the Women Marchers on Versailles circa 1789. If you believe the system is totally corrupt (and it surely is), then you have a moral imperative to act. You may or may not not like the way they acted, but I appreciate the sentiment. If BLM can burn down inner cities over mythical systemic racism, you ought to be able to break a window or two over a corporation-media-communist coup. Liberty, Equality, and Freedom from Facebook for all! Oh and to correct the record, the only person killed during the Jan 6th “riot-surection'” was some poor unarmed, 110 lb, female air force vet with the temerity to climb through a broken window in front of a wussy cop with a firearm. Rename her “George Floyd” and we’ve got a martydom. As it is we’ve got … well … nothing.
pbinca – I’m still waiting for Al Gore Jr. to be indicted for trying to overturn the 2000 election.
There is as much basis for indictment as there is to indict those who spread the “Hands Up, Don’t Shoot” falsehoods, including Patrice Cullors, Nikole Hannah-Jones, and Charles M. Blow.
“In the end, justice has to remain blind.”
HAHAHA. Yeah right. “Justice” in this country today is blingingly, glaringly, shockingly one-sided and partisan.
FJB and his corrupt, illegitimate regime.
“blind-ing-ly” one-sided and PARTISAN.
Navy veteran Chansley is as much a patsy as the Army veteran who tried to slit Lee Zeldin’s throat..
S. Meyer, as usual you don’t know what you are talking about. Chansley pleaded guilty and acknowledged what he did was wrong. The tapes wouldn’t have helped him one bit. He dropped a plea deal which would have gone to trial and resulted in a much longer sentence. Did you know that? If he didn’t plead guilty he would have been sentenced to 20 years In prison. His crimes were felonies 6 were dropped and pleading guilty to one landed him with 41 months. If you don’t believe me. Then read this.
https://www.npr.org/2021/11/17/1056225488/self-styled-qanon-shaman-is-sentenced-to-41-months-in-capitol-riot
Svelaz: thank you for directly responding to Turley’s alleged “heavy concerns” about Chansley’s sentence. Turley, as usual, finds some way to spin the facts according to the dictates of the Fox narrative of attacking the Jan 6th Committee hearings as “unfair”–all to try to defend the fat one who belongs in prison. Turley, somehow, curiously ignored the email in which Tucker Carlson said he hated Trump with a passion. As to whether the officers were “helping” Chansely, anyone looking at this fool would know that he’s seriously mentally ill–his appearance alone was a tip-off, including the headdress he was wearing and the way he brayed like a bull elk and spouted unintelligible nonsens. He was carrying some item that could be used as a weapon, too. Police officers are trained not to confront someone who has obvious mental problems and who is behaving calmly because if they are confronted, they might snap and hurt themselves or others, so to the extent that officers are “escorting” Chansley, it was not to help him invade our Capitol, nor does it mitigate his behavior. Turley doesn’t explain just HOW the footage takes away Chansley’s guilt. Someone who is mentally ill is not necessarily innocent of a criminal offense if their mental illnes isn’t the cause of their behavior. Chansley had the benefit of counsel and admitted what he did was wrong. The cherry-picked video does not change the fundamental fact that he deliberately invaded the Capitol, disrupted the business of Congress, rifled through desks and papers, and he knew it was wrong. But, Fox pays Turley a lot of money to spin the facts, and that’s all he’s done here today.
Gigi – he did not “invade” the Capitol, which is a public building; instead, he was permitted to walk in and was escorted around the ground floor like a guest. He was not carrying a “weapon”. If the tip of his flag was a weapon, then the Capitol grounds must be covered in weapons, including the House chambers. If the police really believed he was “seriously mentally ill”, they should not have let him in. Based on the videos, the only crime he may have committed was a misdemeanor trespass for entering the Senate chambers. Even in that case, he may have been directed therein by the police.
Edwardmahl: He had to have breached the police barricades and gone in through either a broken window or broken door to be inside the Capitol. The police did NOT “let him in”–another Fox lie. NO ONE who crossed the police barricades or entered through a broken window or door had any business being in the Capitol. The police were watching a crazy man, only to avoid inciting him, which is standard protocol when confronted with an obvious lunatic. He was NOT “directed” by the police–they were with him because of his obvious mental derangement–to keep an eye on him. The Chief of the Capitol Police has made clear that none of the MAGA loser who invaded the Capitol had any right to be there.
Did you hear this or actually take time to watch the video ? I don’t think you watched ! Kavanaugh Breach 129 Dems & Libs arrested . Fine was $50.
If the barricades were down, and a door open, and no one was blocking the door, and no “no entry” sign posted, I question that this would be a trespass. After all, it is a public buiilding. When Kavanaugh had hearings on his nomination, his vocal and “interfereing” opponents had no trouble gaining entry to the Capitol. In any event, I concede he could have been guilty of trespass, which is a misdemenaor. but he was charged with interferenece with a government proceeding, a felony; nothing in the tapes shown by Carlson supports interference with a government proceeding. It appears that the House and Senate had been deserted. It is true that he entered the Senate chamber, but the tapes show that police directed there, and he thanked the police for doing so. As to your repeated attempts to say that the police were just “watching a crazy man” or “keeping an eye” on him, in line with some “standard protocol”, I suggest that they were not doing their job if they thought he was actually tresassing or interfering with a public proceeding. Being crazy does not immunize someone from arrest.
“I’m just a patsy.”
– Lee Harvey Oswald
<iS. Meyer, as usual you don’t know what you are talking about. Chansley pleaded guilty and acknowledged what he did was wrong. The tapes wouldn’t have helped him one bit.
And today he would have filed a plea to toss the conviction and due to a mistrial. The Goverment denied the defense all Brady material. He would be turned loose pending a new trial.
He pleaded guilty. There was no trial and cannot be a mistrial, though his lawyer can try to have the conviction vacated.
False. There are very few reasons that can be used to set aside a guilty plea, but the failure of Defense Counsel to secure exculpatory evidence prior to sentencing is one of those. Misconduct by the government is also one.
As I said: his lawyer can try to have the conviction vacated. Nothing I wrote was false.
Sometimes in a short sentence nothing you write is false, but nothing you write represents the truth. You hide behind ambiguity and wasted words along with your anonymous persona.
There is no video that could ever exonerate Chansley–he admitted he trespassed, rifled through papers and committed the other crimes. Turley is paid to stir the pot and add credence to the Fox (fake) News lineup of liars, of which he is one.
There is no video that could ever exonerate Chansley–he admitted he trespassed, rifled through papers and committed the other crimes.
Prosecutorial misconduct vacates the sentence. Constitutional rights trump evidence.
GiGi – the issue is not trespass or “rifling papers” (I did not know this was a crime) The issue is whether there is a factual basis for “interfering with a federal proceeding and whether exculpatory evidence was not produced.
“There is no video that could ever exonerate Chansley”
Looks pretty exonerated to me.
“he admitted he trespassed”
Not relevant – innocent people confess all the time.
We have been over that.
Some states have laws that do not allow convictions based on confessions alone.
“rifled through papers”
What is the federal crime of riffling through papers ?
And what is your evidence of this ?
“and committed the other crimes.”
Please cite the section of the federal criminal code for “other crimes”.
“Turley is paid to stir the pot and add credence to the Fox (fake) News lineup of liars, of which he is one.”
Just as MSNBC hosts, and Democratic Senators.
Everyone gets paid for something.
That is meaningless.
Sam Adams “stirred the pot”, as did Patrick Henry, and all of our founders.
Your narrative is falling apart in front of you.
That is occuring because of your own mistakes. You spun the truth, you hid everything that contradicted your narrative.
Now you are dealing with the consequences of what you hid coming to light.
Sunlight is the best disinfectant.
The nation would be better off it those in power left and right would tell the truth from the start.
Whether it is that Benghazi was a planned terorist attack – i.e. Romney was right and you knew it.
Or that Trump did not collude with Russia, but Clinton did.
Had you been truthful about J6 from the start you would have had less of a club to beat your oponents with – but you would not be subject to the backlash of being caught AGAIN lying.
This list of lies and secrets, and things you seek to keep hidden is so long.
A Brady violation would be a basis for withdrawing the guilty plea.
True but Kavanaugh breach & the video of him doing no wrong being escorted show he was not an enormous threat . Kavanaugh Breach 129+ Dems & Libs arrested $50. Fine !! Horn Guy got 3+ years! Not EQUAL JUSTICE!! Easy web search : Kavanaugh Breach Amy & fines
The depth of discipleship created by Fox (fake) News is literally breathtaking. Beginning with the fat hog who cheated his way into office and how those facts got spun into lies, which the disciples still defend, continuing with his utter failures as a leader, his lies about the seriousness of COVID and pushing fake cures like Hydroxychloroquine, all of which the disciples still defend, his fomenting of an insurrection based on a Big Lie, which the disciples still defend, to now, defending the dumbaxx losers who invaded the Capitol and committed crimes in the name of the fat narcissisitc hog who just won’t stop lying or go away. Now, lunatics like Chansley and the other losers who plotted to invade the Capitol to try to keep the pig in power are, somehow, “victims”. You have the loser who calls himself “Speaker of the House”, who gave exclusive access of sensitive video surveillance to a news outlet proven to spread lies even they don’t believe, to cherry-pick a few scenes in which there’s no violence, as if to imply that this proves no crimes were committed and that, somehow, there’s a “truth” that was kept from the public, all of which the dumbaxx disciples believe. And, now, you have their legal “expert” lap dog, who sold his credentials in a vain effort to make these lies seem credible. There’s no video that could be produced that could change the fundamental facts about Chansley–he crossed police barricades, entered the Capitol through a broken door or window, rifled papers and desecrated our Capitol. It was an insurrection. He admitted his fault, and no video can change these facts. He had no right to be there or do what he did.
TCM showed “All the President’s Men” the other night, and it reminded me of the reason for Fox (fake) News. The daily reports and information gathered and reported by the Washigton Post eventually brought down Nixon. Republicans believed that if there had been some alternative news source to push back against the revelations of Woodward and Bernstein and to attack them personally and the truths they uncovered and the witnesses who gave them information, they could have kept Nixon in power longer, and that’s the reason Fox (fake) News came into being–to counter the truth about Republicans and their lies because, over time, Republicans continue to represent fewer and fewer Americans. Republicans in Congress represent less than 40% of Americans, but, thanks to gerrymandering, their power is outsized. This is just wrong.
Gigi = What have you ever been right about ?
“The depth of discipleship created by Fox (fake) News is literally breathtaking.”
The top 14 of 15 News shows – MSNBC debuts at 15.
I beleive the top 23 of 25 shows – CNN debuts at 25.
Absolutley – people increasingly trust Fox.
Why ? Because CNN and MSNBC and NYT and WaPo and … have repeatedly been caught in lies – and now we have another one.
“Beginning with the fat hog who cheated his way into office”
I thought denying the results of an election was a crime ?
“his lies about the seriousness of COVID and pushing fake cures like Hydroxychloroquine,”
Here is left journalists point out that all of you left wing nuts have Lied to everyone about Covid.
https://youtu.be/PsFToyijzls
HCQ ia not dangerous and may work. The vaccine is dangerous and does not work. There is now data showing the more frequently you have been vaccinated, the more likely you are to get Covid.
“all of which the disciples still defend”
Lots of people – including Trump have been wrong about Covid.
Those on the left continue to be wrong.
Trump is responsible for delivering a vaccine in record time.
That vaccine ultimately proved insufficient. But for good or Bad – Trump delivered it – not Biden.
“his fomenting of an insurrection”
No insurection – that is the point.
I Need New Conspiracy Theories Because My Old Ones Came True
” invaded the Capitol”
You can not invade the capitol it is a public building.
Closing it without closing congress violates the first amendment.
“committed crimes”
Then provide proof that ALL the country will accept – not a biased DC jury fed a cherry picked version of events.
“in the name of the fat narcissisitc hog”
All politicians are narcissists.
I though fat shaming was verbotten on the left ?
“who just won’t stop lying or go away.”
Why should he – according to Harris he has a 5pt lead on Biden.
” who plotted to invade the Capitol”
No evidence of any plot – even DOJ’s star witness just denied that under oath.
“to try to keep the pig in power”
A world without the mess Biden has made – think of it.
“You have the loser who calls himself “Speaker of the House””
No, he is the speaker of the house – he was elected speaker.
“who gave exclusive access of sensitive video surveillance to a news outlet”
He should have just made it public.
I beleive he has comitted to making it available to other networks.
Again – he should just make it public.
We do not need Fox, or CNN or MSNBC to currate this for us.
“to cherry-pick a few scenes in which there’s no violence”
The entire time Chamsley was in the Capitol is not cherry picking.
Regardless, those “cherry picked scenes prove your narative was a LIE.
“if to imply that this proves no crimes were committed and that, somehow, there’s a “truth” that was kept from the public”
Of course there was – that is self evident – YOU own that part of the story.
From Bill Clinton through the present the MO of Democrats has been to delay the truth as long as possible.
How long did it take for Clinton to admit that he had sex with Lewinsky ?
How long did it take to find out that Benghazi was a Terrorist attack and Obama knew it ?
How long did it take to find out that the collusion delusion was a collection of Clinton HOAXS ?
How long did it take to find out that Hunter Biden’s laptop was not “russian disinformation” ?
We will never likely know the truth about the 2020 election – Because AGAIN those like you have thwarted and refused all inquiry.
We are now learning the truth of J6.
It was less violent BY FAR than the Antifa Attack in Atlanta on Sunday – the one Biden does not even know about.
“There’s no video that could be produced that could change the fundamental facts about Chansley–he crossed police barricades, entered the Capitol through a broken door or window, rifled papers and desecrated our Capitol.”
We all know that absolutely nothing can change your mind about ANYTHING – and that is the point.
But peoples minds are being changed – just not yours.
“It was an insurrection.”
Hillary’s Collusion Delusion was a coup.
This was not an insurection.
A bunch of ex-cops and ex-military showing up atg the Capitol without firearms is not an insurection.
“He admitted his fault” Thousands of people have gone to jail for false confessions.
Every person – over 1000 on the exonerated list confessed.
“and no video can change these facts.”
The video speaks for itself.
” He had no right to be there or do what he did.”
Pray in the senate ?
“TCM showed “All the President’s Men” the other night, and it reminded me of the reason for Fox (fake) News. The daily reports and information gathered and reported by the Washigton Post eventually brought down Nixon.”
Actually aparently new evidence suggests the CIA brought down Nixon for threatening to go public with their role in the Kennedy Assassination.
Regardless, no one is defending Nixon. You should not be defending Biden or the J6 committee or the FBI or the DOJ.
“Republicans believed that if there had been some alternative news source to push back against the revelations of Woodward and Bernstein and to attack them personally and the truths they uncovered and the witnesses who gave them information, they could have kept Nixon in power longer”
Nixon resigned because Republica congressmen and Senators told him he would be impeached.
Because Republicans with integrity participated in the investigations.
Where are the democrats who investigated the collusion delusion ? The Hunter Biden laptop ?
The claims of election fraud ? Actually investigated the Truth regarding J6.
Follow the Truth – wherever it leads – actually investigate – even things you do not beleive.
And listen to the actual results.
You need help.
Your pretence regarding my life is your problem.
I can take care of myself and have been doing fine.
If you are as fortunate to have a life as good as mine – I commend you.
If you have had the misfortune to experience the many and often great problems I have had to overcome – I have sympathy for you.
Though I doubt either.
Your posts are emblematic of one with no consequential experience with either actual good or real evil in life.
I would suggest that before you try to fix the problems you imagine that I have, that you look to your own life.
I do not know you or your life – but unless you have managed your own life half as well as I have, which I doubt.
You have no business telling others how to run theirs.
My posts here do not tell you or anyone else how to run their own lives.
I focus on keeping medlying busybodies like yourself out of my life and that of others.
“You can’t even run your own life, I’l be Damned if you’ll run mine”
As he said,”Gigi = What have you ever been right about ?”
Poor Svelaz,
NPR isn’t your best friend at the moment. They kinda blew their credibility.
But to your point… he was guilty of impeding Congress.
However… even here you have more evidence in terms of testimony and other video footage that calls to question of what happened and what forced Congress to stop their electoral college vote ratification. Can you say Ray Epps?
The issue is if he got a fair trial. The mere fact that exculpatory evidence wasn’t shared meant that the state didn’t offer the plea deal in good faith.
Less on this guy, but other who were charged and those who are still awaiting trial now have a better chance at a fair trial.
Turley points out the felony count, however… would he have gotten such a harsh sentence?
No.
And if he didn’t take the plea… this evidence would have made the prosecutions case all the much harder that even if found guilty… 20yrs wouldn’t be even considered.
Svelaz – there were no “crimes” before he pled guilty. Your comment assumes the government would have been able to prove its case on its numerous charges. It is strategy of prosecutors to overcharge in order to terrorize the defendant into pleading. The last thing a prosecutor wants is to try a jury trial, even when the deck is stacked in his/her favor. Even if a prosecutor prevails on all charges, there is usually a long appeal.
Where did NPR prove any of the things you say?
NPR didn’t but your ignorance didn’t let you notice.
I’d previously said that the video had been turned over to Chansley, based on a statement by Politico reporter Kyle Cheney. It appears that Cheney’s source was wrong, and therefore I was wrong too:
“Albert Watkins, Chansley’s attorney through sentencing in November 2021, said he had been provided many hours of video by prosecutors, but not the footage which Carlson aired Monday night. He said he had not seen video of Chansley walking through Capitol hallways with multiple Capitol Police officers. … It was not clear whether the prosecutors had seen everything which was released to Carlson, or what, specifically, they had turned over to Watkins. Carlson said his team spent three weeks reviewing 41,000 hours of surveillance video, which House Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) said he released to Carlson. A spokeswoman for the U.S. attorney’s office did not immediately comment.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2023/03/07/capitol-police-tucker-carlson-footage/
A big part of the issue is that Brady requires the DOJ to turn over exculpatory evidence in its possession, but the full set of videos were in the possession of the USCP, not the DOJ. Seems like this is something that reporters need to address more fully.
Three weeks to review 41,000 hours of video? I smell BS. 41,000 hours of is the equivalent of 1708 days. How many people were reviewing them? How are these being reviewed? By people sitting in front of a monitor or is some sort of computer program? Because reviewing 41,000 hours of video in only 3 weeks is not possible.
Even you you had a dozen people reviewing these videos 24/7 there’s no way they could have reviewed all of it within 3 weeks.
I don’t assume that they reviewed all 41,000 hours of tape, and of course they can review it on fast-forward to help them identify the subset they want to focus on, so there’s no reason to assume that it would take 41,000 person-hours to review. Regardless, it’s still a problem that it appears Congress/the USCP didn’t turn over all of the video that might have been relevant to all J6 defendants’ cases. And I try to be truthful, so when I become aware that I’ve said something false, I acknowledge it.
41,000 hours of video? I smell BS.
For the mentally challenged, maybe. But A bright 10 year old would have the defendant tell him exactly the path taken and the time fame.
Start with what we know. The Senate Camera taking in the speakers desk.
Now the kid has a time, and the defendant gives me a route.
In two hours the 10 year old has every second of video involving the defendant.
I know, your handlers gave you the 41,000 hours, so you assumed it was relevant. (its not)
“41,000 hours of video? I smell BS.
For the mentally challenged, maybe.”
Has someone claimed that the eniterty of 41,000 has been reviewed ?
I would not that if Tucker had 100 people working on this and they were playing the video at double speed all fo which is reasonable – then yes he could have. But that is not the point.
I expect Tucker will run J6 highlights periodically for many months.
Prepare fo rmuch more.
“But A bright 10 year old would have the defendant tell him exactly the path taken and the time fame.”
It is often difficult parsing what you are saying. Regardless I think you have apoint – just not one that is good for you.
Contra your claims – J6 defendants have been claiming they were peaceful and that they had peaceful encounters with the CP,
and that there should be evidence of that. They have near certainly told their defense attorney’s the approximate route they took and when.
Further DOJ has been using Geofencing to locate Defendants within the capitol during the protests – you know the Stuff you called bogus when TTV Geofenced people stuffing ballot boxes in 2020. Regardless it is likely possible to find evidence of when each defendant was when – and to go through the video and track each defendant every moment in the Capitol and likely even on the outside.
Yet DOJ did not do that. Nor did they provide the Defense with the video of their time in the Capitol – video that Defandants and their attorney’s asked fo r- and mostly did NOT receive.
So it is absolutely possible with respect to every single defendant to completely track their movements within the capitol on J6.
It is possible to know whether they broke in or where let in. Whether they were peaceful or not, whether they were a threat to representatives, or not.
Yet, that not only was not done – but DOJ, the CP, the courts, and YOU conspired to make sure prior to this that was NOT done.
Another right wing conspiracy theory proved true.
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“Start with what we know. The Senate Camera taking in the speakers desk.
Now the kid has a time, and the defendant gives me a route.
In two hours the 10 year old has every second of video involving the defendant.”
Are you capable of expressing what you are saying such that someone can understand it ?
Regardless, I absolutely agree with what I think you are saying – that it is simple to get every second of video on each and every J6 defendant.
It is probably even possible to mostly automate the task.
The problem – your problem is that was not done – until now and only so far with Chamsley. And that is not showing Chamsley committing a crime. OOPS
“Further DOJ has been using Geofencing to locate Defendants within the capitol during the protests – you know the Stuff you called bogus when TTV Geofenced people stuffing ballot boxes in 2020.”
Geofencing only helps spotting an individual’s location. Not their actions. I called evidence that they stuffed ballots bogus since there was only evidence that people were around the area. Not actually stuffing ballots.
Tucker is a verified liar. The fact that he has zero credibility has not helped him with this biased stunt.
Chansley is on video committing multiple crimes. He pushed his way in with the first 30 rioters and kept encouraging them. Here’s what Tucker left out.
https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/case-multi-defendant/file/1430996/download
He was disobeying law enforcement officers and proceeded to unlawfully enter the building. That in itself was a crime.
“Geofencing only helps spotting an individual’s location. Not their actions.”
Correct – +-3ft.
But going from a Democrat affiliated 501C3 paid for by Zuckerberg to to 10-30 ballot boxes during the we hours of the night is an ACTION.
Absolute proof of election fraud ? No.
More than enough to get convicted of a crime in much of the US – absolutely.
My wife recently defended a client that through location tracking was placed within 1000 ft of a 3 separate crimes on 3 separate days – he lived within 1000 ft of the crime.
He was convicted and that was the primary evidence.
1000ft – not 3 ft.
3 crimes – not 10-30.
We convict people based on where they are at all the time.
“I called evidence that they stuffed ballots bogus since there was only evidence that people were around the area. Not actually stuffing ballots.”
The Geofencing places someone at a place and time.
As with J6 that can then be combined with video from that place and time – thousands of hours of security camera video on ballot boxes – and lo and behold – when the Geofencing data says unknown party X is at this Ballot Box – Video fromt he same time show a person stuffing a dozen ballots into the box.
I would further note that Pattern evidence is admissible in court. show that a person traveled to 10-30 ballot boxes(geofencing), and then show that at 2-3 (because we do not have video for most ballot boxes) they were stuffing a dozen or more ballots in the box – that is proof of election fraud.
All that you need to convict is for Apple or google to provide the name of the Cell phone owner, and to verify that the owner is the person in the video.
Further that is also more than enough to get warrants for the financial and other records of the 501C3’s and to start interviewing the staff.
TTV could not do any of this – they are not law enforcement.
When they tried to go to prosecutors – they were told they would not touch this because the Bar was threatening to disbar any attorney who brough an election fraud claim.
Right now – YOU are trying to go after the AZ AG – despite the fact that the AZ audit found a great deal to investigate.
We know that almost 50K ballots were cast by 13K people.
Regardless once again The effort of the left was
SUPRESSING inquiry.
Many of us – aparently a majority conclude that there was likely fraud – specifically because you choose in all instances to suppress investigation.
The duty to gain the public trust in elections rests with government – not the people, not the losing party.
It is not enough that you trust the outcome.
Nearly everyone must.
We do not have to like it.
But if and only i it was done such that fraud is not possible. we must trust it.
But againj – EVERYTHING regarding you and the left is about HIDING what government is up to.
Particularly when that is absolutely all of our business.
“Tucker is a verified liar. The fact that he has zero credibility has not helped him with this biased stunt.”
I do not know about Tucker – but YOU are a verified liar.
“Chansley is on video committing multiple crimes.”
Then list them and provide the video.
“He pushed his way in with the first 30 rioters and kept encouraging them.”
If the door was opened – not a crime.
” Here’s what Tucker left out.
https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/case-multi-defendant/file/1430996/download”
Why am I to beleive DOJ – they are the ones who violated brady ?
“Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive!”
Sir Walter Scott
“He was disobeying law enforcement officers”
Not a crime.
“and proceeded to unlawfully enter the building.”
Doors opened from the inside – not outside – not a crime.
“That in itself was a crime.”
Nope.
I would further note that Defiant Tresspass is a petty misdemeanor.
Ordinary Tresspass – what Chamsley MIGHT have committed is a summary offence – like a traffic ticket.
Add to that that The capitol can not constitutionally be closed to the public when conducting business and you have nothing.
You keep saying you have proof – but the proof you offer is from the same people who were just caught lying.
You have not proven your claims – and even your own claims – petty misdemeanor or summary offence – traffic ticket.
It is not Tuckers job to prosecute Chalmsley.
It is Tuckers job to catch government lying
It is also MSNBC’s job and NYT’s job.
Why weren’t they doing that ?
Your free to attempt to prove Tucker is a verifiable liar.
But so far all you have done is lie some more yourself, or offer as proof actual verified liars.
Again – as even Turley notes – DOJ had a duty to provide this evidence to Chamsley.
They did not – that i9s Unethical, that is lying by omission.
Tucker is NOT obligated to tell all sides of a story – though he often does.
He has no duty to choose to feature what you want him too.
DOJ had a duty to provide Brady material to Chamsley.
They did not. That is LYING, it is unethical.
We have seen alot of that from DOJ over the past couple of years.
DOJ – like you, are a verified LIAR,
Therefore they are not a credible source.
I would further note – as with the DVS case – you confuse allegations with facts.
Sorry, thought I was responding to Svelaz.
Regardless, you are correct, it is pretty easy to track any individual through the entire capitol if there is the slightest bit of organization to the video.
It is pretty trivial to pick a person and follow that one person through the capitol – it probably can be done in about 4 times real time.
So if Chamsley was in the Capitol for 2 hours it would take one person hours to track him completely – as an estimate.
Senator Schumer’s niece AMY : KAVANAUGH BREACH : 129+ arrested . Quick web search shows “FINE WAS $50. !! Granted they like Horn Guy walked around! But he’s serving 3+ YEARS!! Kavanaugh Breach was mostly Dems & Liberals! Still no security added!
“Three weeks to review 41,000 hours of video? I smell BS. 41,000 hours of is the equivalent of 1708 days.”
It is easy to see how your brain couldn’t figure out what happened. There are many ways this was done, but I don’t think they completely viewed all the hours. In some cases they traced certain people and events. That doesn’t take that long and that is what you saw on TV. I am sure they are still viewing the tapes, but it would be best for all the video to be released to the public who can look for themselves trying to trace individuals arrested.
You don’t like the idea of transparency because it shows you to be a liar. Those arguing against you don’t worry about transparency because they are looking for the truth.
. It appears that Cheney’s source was wrong, and therefore I was wrong too:
More likely lied to advance the preferred narrative. Cheney will not reveal his source. Which should be standard journalistic standard, after being made a fool. Unless of course the reporter was OK with the lie.
Lots of us have been paying attention for the last ~7 years and have learned through experience the media’s use of unnamed sources to drive the assigned narrative, is standard operating procedure.
Agreed. The problem with Turley’s theory is that nothing on any video is EXCULPATORY. Chansley crossed a police barricade, entered through either a broken window or door. He wasn’t a visitor. He admitted to his conduct and that it was illegal.
Agreed. The problem with Turley’s theory is that nothing on any video is EXCULPATORY.
Irrelevant to the constitutional duty of the Government to provide ALL evidence they know of, to the Defendant. A failure of the Garland DoJ prosecuting Jan 6 defendants.
It’s common to enter a building through a door.
Then you would have video of that. Please provide.
You do not seem to grasp that the left and YOU specifically have constantly made claims that are just plain bogus.
You have no credibility. There is no reason to trust you.
I would note that BLM protestors crossed over police barricades and went through broken shop windows and had charges dropped.
Lawyers in NYC Firebombed a police car and got probation.
The double standard by the left is incredible.
BTW crossing a police baricade and climbing through a window is a Petty misdemeanor according to federal law.
Your “visitor” claim only makes your argument worse.
The capitol is the “peoples house” – if Pelosi allowed visitor’s then the building was open tot he public and no one was tresspassing.
But the bigger problem is that Congress either needed to be open to the public or not in session.
The federal government may not conduct OUR business, safe from public scrutiny or protest.
Again people admit to illegal conduct that they did not do all the time.
Nearly every one of the 100+ people on the “exonerated list” – people convicted of crimes who subsequently were PROVEN actually innocent.
The innocense project does not take cases over legal technicalities. They only take cases of people they beleive did not committ the crime.
You do not get on the exoneration list because there is reasonable doubt. You get on that list when it is absolutely proven that you did not committ the crime.
And nearly every person on the exonerated list confessed.
I would think those of you on the left would actually be familiar with the myriads of ways in which law enforcement convicts innocent people.
” Cheney’s source was wrong, and therefore I was wrong too:”
Cheney was already caught in deception and there were great questions about the data she provided. One can always find a stooge who will provide you a lie and then you can feel good that you lied based on another’s error. That is what you and so many liberals have been doing down the chain, lying and quoting your own lies. That is why you quote the Washington Post on every major issue that turns out to be a lie. But your quotes were frequently based on anonymous reports which could have been your own.
You cannot be trusted.
“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”
– George Orwell in “1984”, Part 1, Chapter 7
Behold Merrick Garland, a discredited AG, a failed SCOTUS nominee, has been Judge, now a Nazi Biden apparatchik, lying and shaking with his voice trembling, all at the same time. They fear Americans