A “Protect Texas Kids” protest this week was attacked by counter-protesters outside of the location of a planned drag show that would reportedly involve children. The incident was caught on videotape and shows how Antifa routinely, even cavalierly, resorts to violence to silence those with opposing views. Any doubt as to their association from their signature black outfits and tactics was dispensed by this picture clearly showing the Antifa flag.
Despite the denial of its existence by figures like Rep. Jerry Nadler (D., N.Y.), I have long written and spoken about the threat of Antifa to free speech on our campuses and in our communities. This includes testimony before Congress on Antifa’s central role in the anti-free speech movement nationally.
The video shows a small number of members of “Protect Texas Kids” assembling across the street when Antifa arrives in their typical black clothing, helmets and tactical vests. Some of the Antifa members were also carrying handguns and long guns.
About 12:50 p.m., a person later identified as Samuel Fowlkes, 20, approached the protesters with two other counterprotesters. After engaging them briefly, the protesters were sprayed with mace. In another signature move, Fowlkes then tries to flee after refusing to stop as other Antifa members obstruct police officers including Christopher Guillott, 33, who is seen swinging an umbrella at officers.
Meghan Grant, 37, is also shown charging past officers to join Fowlkes and Guillot before screaming at the law enforcement officials.
It is an all-too-familiar scene for those of us who have followed Antifa for years on our campuses or in political riots.
As I have written, it has long been the “Keyser Söze” of the anti-free speech movement, a loosely aligned group that employs measures to avoid easy detection or association. Yet, FBI Director Chris Wray has repeatedly pushed back on the denials of Antifa’s work or violence. In one hearing, Wray stated “And we have quite a number — and “Antifa is a real thing. It’s not a fiction.”
Some Democrats have played a dangerous game in supporting or excusing the work of Antifa. Former Democratic National Committee deputy chair Keith Ellison, now the Minnesota attorney general, once said Antifa would “strike fear in the heart” of Trump. This was after Antifa had been involved in numerous acts of violence and its website was banned in Germany. His own son, Minneapolis City Council member Jeremiah Ellison, declared his allegiance to Antifa in the heat of the protests this summer. During a prior hearing, Democratic senators refused to clearly denounce Antifa and falsely suggested that the far right was the primary cause of recent violence. Likewise, Joe Biden has dismissed objections to Antifa as just “an idea.”
It is at its base a movement at war with free speech, defining the right itself as a tool of oppression. That purpose is evident in what is called the “bible” of the Antifa movement: Rutgers Professor Mark Bray’s Antifa: The Anti-Fascist Handbook.
Bray emphasizes the struggle of the movement against free speech: “At the heart of the anti-fascist outlook is a rejection of the classical liberal phrase that says, ‘I disapprove of what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it.’”
Bray admits that “most Americans in Antifa have been anarchists or antiauthoritarian communists… From that standpoint, ‘free speech’ as such is merely a bourgeois fantasy unworthy of consideration.” It is an illusion designed to promote what Antifa is resisting “white supremacy, hetero-patriarchy, ultra-nationalism, authoritarianism, and genocide.” Thus, all of these opposing figures are deemed fascistic and thus unworthy of being heard.
Bray quotes one Antifa member as summing up their approach to free speech as a “nonargument . . . you have the right to speak but you also have the right to be shut up.”
Watch this video. This is Antifa.
Watch this video. This is Antifa.
Rather, this is NAZI-FA
Antifa was formed by German Communists in the 1930s, then reformed in the Sixties by German Maoists. These people are Communists whose goal is world revolution.
Lincoln was commended and congratulated by the head communist, Karl Marx. https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/iwma/documents/1864/lincoln-letter.htm
Lincoln was a budding communist who believed in labor over capital.
Lincoln believed in supporting workers as “labor” over freedom, free enterprise and free markets creating wealth and success.
Lunatic Lincoln was the first resident of the asylum to seize power.
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“So, the lunatics have taken charge of the asylum.”
– Richard K. Rowland
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The idiotic parasites and dependents cannot redistribute wealth if the producers of society don’t create wealth.
Two points: 1) Svelaz is now up to about 100 comments, his usual assigned amount given to him by his Democrat overlords and 2) as bad as it is having to scroll past 100 Svelaz comments on here for every issue we at least have great comments by people like Upstate Farmer and many others that keep the site enjoyable.
Hullboby, wrong, I’m up to a gazillion. Keep up. Plus, I”m a republican not a democrat. Sheesh.
If you don’t goose-step and don’t pledge and pray to the Dear Leader then you are a democrat.
Fishwings….NoOOOOOoooooooooo! 🙁
Biden’s blackshirts are serious about destroying Constitutional rights.
It is often said that one picture is worth a thousand words. In this case one video clip is worth an encyclopedia. Fascist “anti-fascists” are something every neighborhood in every community should experience at least one time to witness them taking up any and all causes, even the ones that feature just two quickly intimidated women and three non-violent men none of whom are armed with anything but themselves and who are gathered only to opine their morals and values that drag shows are not suitable for impressionable aged children. Dressed up in Schutzstaffel black, vested, helmeted, and armed for an assault it is dark Hollywood entertainment at its finest. In defense of the drag queens, who we might reasonably expect never would have been nor even should have felt threatened, one wonders that given their own non-violence did they ask for or even encourage the disproportionate SS paramilitary operation. Let’s hope not.
Ron A. Hoffman, the number of protesters against the drag show certainly was tiny. A mere 5-6 individuals. The ANTIFA counter-protester who sprayed mace or pepper spray certainly was wrong to do that and was arrested as he should have.
The real story behind this is the Protect Texas Kids group’s extremist views that deliberately skew the ideas of what drag shows are. You should take a gander a this article explaining the reality behind these claims and why these “anti-drag show” groups mostly comprise of religious zealots instead of ‘normal folks’.
https://www.texastribune.org/2023/02/24/texas-drag-protests-children/
They do a good job exposing the reality that these protest and those covering them leave out including Turley.
The only reason why ANTIFA was at this tiny protest is that in Texas prior drag shows have been protested by neo-fascists and neo-nazis who have been drawn to the shows by the false portrayal of what they are. Naturally ANTIFA, who are anti-fascists, will counter protests fascists protesting the drag shows. ANTIFA members being armed have kept the fascist and members of the proud boys protesting drag shows from getting violent which is in itself a good thing. No?
Let’s not forget that right wing Prod boys also wear paramilitary gear to their protests and are also armed.
” the number of protesters against the drag show certainly was tiny. A mere 5-6 individuals. ”
So ? The right to protest is not conditioned on your numbers or the merits of your protest.
I would support Antifa protests – if they were non-violent.
“The ANTIFA counter-protester who sprayed mace or pepper spray certainly was wrong to do that and was arrested as he should have.”
Great. That is the story. The only relevant story.
“The real story behind this is the Protect Texas Kids group’s extremist views that deliberately skew the ideas of what drag shows are. ”
Assumes facts not in evidence and not relevant.
In this case people were taking kids to an “adult oriented” performance in a bar.
opposing hat is not extremist.
I do not oppose parents taking kids to drag shows – not even sexually explicit ones in bars.
But I am not stupid enough to think that my views are the norm.
The NORM view is that kids should not be at adult oriented entertainment, and kids should not be at bars.
On this issue – you and I are the extremists.
I understand that. you do not.
BTW the article is the perfect example of horrible journalism.
It is editorial attempting to pass as straight reporting.
John B. Say,
“ So ? The right to protest is not conditioned on your numbers or the merits of your protest.”
I didn’t say that. Just pointing out the fact that the “protest” was indeed tiny.
“ The ANTIFA counter-protester who sprayed mace or pepper spray certainly was wrong to do that and was arrested as he should have.”
Great. That is the story. The only relevant story.”
Nope. There’s more to it than that. Those Protect Texas Kids protesters have a history of making claims that are not true. They use the pretext that kids are being exposed as the events they protest at and that has not been true for the most part.
“ Ahead of the Jan. 14 event, the anti-LGBTQ organization Protect Texas Kids began posting online about the weekly drag brunch at BuzzBrews, suggesting that, because the neighborhood restaurant did not explicitly ban children, organizers were catering to children and, thus, grooming them for sex.”
https://www.texastribune.org/2023/02/24/texas-drag-protests-children/
“ The real story behind this is the Protect Texas Kids group’s extremist views that deliberately skew the ideas of what drag shows are. ”
Assumes facts not in evidence and not relevant.”
It’s quite relevant since they make false claims and make assumptions not in evidence themselves. They portray these events and businesses doing something that is not true. The make a lot of wild assumptions in their zeal to ban drag shows because they believe they are immoral even those that are only adult oriented. Their stance is anti-free speech.
“ In this case people were taking kids to an “adult oriented” performance in a bar.
opposing hat is not extremist.”
No, they were ASSUMING people were taking kids to this event because there were no warnings about the event being adult oriented. They use the lack of specificity to directly assume children are allowed in those events without proof.
“ The Texas Tribune reviewed more than two dozen anti-drag incidents, including protests and online harassment campaigns, that have occurred in the state since the beginning of Pride Month last June. Taken together, they show how a small but influential cadre of activists and extremist groups have fueled anti-drag panic by routinely characterizing all drag as inherently and nefariously sexual regardless of the content or audience. Those claims have then been used to justify harassment and legislation targeting the LGBTQ community as a whole, often under the guise of protecting kids.
At least a quarter of the anti-drag incidents have been directed at events that organizers say are not even remotely sexual: drag queen story hours, where performers read children’s books, often at a library or bookstore, in an effort to promote literacy.
Prominent anti-drag figures have made it clear that they think drag is obscene — regardless of the context.“
These folks are zealots who don’t care whether they are adult oriented or not. They use the pretext of children being “sexualized’ to prevent or harass those who are merely exercising their free speech rights and freedom of expression because they don’t like it.
“ The NORM view is that kids should not be at adult oriented entertainment, and kids should not be at bars.”
No, the NORM is parental rights are sacrosanct according to conservatives and libertarians. If parents are ok with letting their kids attend such shows government shouldn’t be intruding on their right to decide…right? Who are strangers to tell others what to do with their children, right?
“ BTW the article is the perfect example of horrible journalism.
It is editorial attempting to pass as straight reporting.”
LOL!! It’s more honest than the rest. They actually did investigative journalism and pointed out what the rest of the media often omits those pertinent facts. But hey, you are certainly entitled to you opinion.
““ So ? The right to protest is not conditioned on your numbers or the merits of your protest.”
I didn’t say that.”
Correct, as is typical you do not say much of anything of consequence.
You express outrage, You are pretty clear that you oppose the outcome.
You are fairly clear about who the good guys and bad guys are – and usually wrong.
But in the end you do not actually say anything of substance.
you have no answer to why there should (or should not) be Drag shows, or children at drag shows, or protests, or counter protests, or arrests.
You can tell us all what the perfect outcome would be, but not why.
You are a muddled mess on the law, the constitution, morality – because you have no principles only a collection of values without anything to organize them,
You are certian with every issue that you know WHAT is right and wrong, but there is no foundation for your positions.
“ You express outrage, You are pretty clear that you oppose the outcome.
You are fairly clear about who the good guys and bad guys are – and usually wrong.”
Nope. You’re clearly confused. I’m only pointing out a different perspective. I already pointed out that it was wrong for the single antifa individual to spray pepper into the protester.
“ But in the end you do not actually say anything of substance.
you have no answer to why there should (or should not) be Drag shows, or children at drag shows, or protests, or counter protests, or arrests.
You can tell us all what the perfect outcome would be, but not why.”
I’ve said more substantive points than you have been able to on this issue. To be willfully ignorant is your problem not mine. It’s apparent reading comprehension may be a bigger problem in your end than you realize.
“Nope. You’re clearly confused. I’m only pointing out a different perspective.”
BS, please read your own posts.
“I’ve said more substantive points than you have been able to on this issue.”
Because you say so ? Again a stupid BS claim.
You contradict yourself all over the place.
Your posts – and the links you cite are narratives and spin – not actual arguments.
That is not substance. You play constant words games.
“To be willfully ignorant is your problem not mine.”
Back to the ad hominem. Worse trivially disprovable ad hominem.
Our respective posts are public.
They can be assessed. by all.
I do not need to defend myself against idiotic claims like these.
Just as I need not argue that the sun rose today.
“I didn’t say that. Just pointing out the fact that the “protest” was indeed tiny.”
So ?
And that helps your arguments how ?
According to YOU – some tiny groups of racists, sexist, trans phobic, homophobic Nazis non-violently protested a Drag event at a bar,
Were maced by Antifa,
And this means that Trans people everywhere are in mortal danger ?
Honestly Svelaz, in the REAL world it is the Nazi’s that are getting maced, beat up or killed.
It is the pro-life protestors that are being SWATed,
It is the Conservative Supreme court justices that are being terroriszed in their homes, and facing actual threat of assassination.
It is the Republican congressmen and staff who are being accosted, beaten and stabbed on the streer – or at their homes.
It is Christian children who are being murdered by Trans people.
It is J6 protestors who are being murdered by the police.
you live in alternate reality.
“ I didn’t say that. Just pointing out the fact that the “protest” was indeed tiny.”
So ?”
Juuust pointing it out John. Nothing else. Geez.
“Juuust pointing it out John. Nothing else. Geez.”
Do you need to point out the number of hairs on the forearm of the Antifa assailant ?
Most speech is for a purpose. When you disown a purpose for your own speech – you give everyone else free reign to speculate.
The events at TX are small, the protests are small, the counter protests are small.
But there are super majorities of people who oppose taking children to bars and adult entertainment – and we have existing laws to support that.
As I have noted – I do not agree with the NORM on this issue. But Unlike you I recognize there is a NORM and that it is NOT my position.
You do not even have a consistent posiiton. You have held one position regarding Judge Duncan. Another regarding Disney, A slightly different one regarding teachers, another regarding TKP and on and on. While there is SOME overlap between your positions – there is no underlying principle to your positions.
You choose arguments issue by issue self evidently based on your desired outcome, without any common principle.
That is the rule of man, not the rule of law. It is specifically why we want the rule of law – because the law is supposed to be driven by our moral principles.
The proposition that ignorance of the law is not an exceuse, rests on the understanding that the law reflects near universal principles of right and wrong that we all share. That while you may not know what section of the criminal code you violated when you held up a liquor store, that you KNEW that holding up a liquor store was WRONG.
If as you are – you try to micro manage free speech – applying it incredibly broadly in one instance and incredibly narrowly in another without any principle that provides foundation to that difference – you are advocating for the rule of man not law. For authoritarian chaos. Not order.
John,
I’m fairly new here, but I’d like to mention that not only do I find most of your commentary compelling and often persuasive, but also that your thought process is rigorous and enlightening to me. I often have to read a line of yours, stop and digest, while I test your conclusions to my own. I appreciate the challenge.
I think we’d quite possibly disagree on a fair amount of ideas, but I do salute your dedication to dispassionate reason, your concrete presentation of your world view. You clearly separate the personal from the intellectual. In this way, a reader of your comment can focus on the comment itself and your thought process, and dispense with the trivial (attacks, diving into motivations and other distracting tripe).
I’m very conservative, and have been since the embarrassing Watergate hearings, early 70’s. Broke with my Roosevelt democrat parents after witnessing the disgusting display of the dems. Early teen at the time. Engineer, retired from the Navy long ago, and live in one of the few remaining pockets of freedom in the United States.
Thanks again John. I’ll be looking for that rainbow Gadsden in the future.
Thanks for the compliment.
I try.
I would be happy to debate most anything with someone who will make good arguments – right or left.
I have said before – I WANT competent lefties to make their arguments here as best as possible.
That is how we get to the truth.
The test of what I argue is not if it holds up with GiGi or Svelaz. But if it holds up with someone who can make the best arguments for the left (or other contrary positions).
I thank you for your remarks regarding separating the personal an intellectual.
I wish that was always true.
While I absolutely strive to make my arguments stand on their own merits.
There is just so much stupidity and dishonesty on the left and too much ad hominem gets into my arguments.
But that is easily stripped out – and you can judge if the argument still holds.
An excellent test of ANY argument – is strip out all the adjectives and see if the remaining argument has any weight.
We add spin through adjectives.
If you take the spin out of most of the left arguments made here = there is nothing left. Or statements so bland they mean nothing, or statements that are blatanty false.
“There’s more to it than that.”
Not anything that matters.
“Those Protect Texas Kids protesters have a history of making claims that are not true.”
Even if true – SO WHAT ?
You still beleive in the collusion delusion.
You still argue that the Hunter Biden Laptop is russian disinformation.
Less than 1% of what you say is true. Yet no one is looking to silence you, or mace you, or cancel you ?
You can not even make the case that a group of alleged Nazi’s is spraying nonsense that is false.
Kids did show up at a bar to watch adult entertainment – According to YOU.
Sure sounds like the “nazi’s” were right.
And you make this stupid argument that the way to prove they are wrong is to assure that they are right ?
Bring your kids to adult entertainment at a bar if you wish.
But do not then claim that the “nazis” are lying when they say children are being exposed to adult entertainment.
“They use the pretext that kids are being exposed as the events they protest at and that has not been true for the most part.”
And yet not only was it true, But YOUR protestors MADE it True, your even revel in it.
Short of physically or sexually abusing them, Ping children belong to their parents – not Texas, not Drag Queens, not teachers.
That is my position. It is also the “extremist” position. The position that Children should not go to bars or adult entertainment, is actually the NORMAL position
and the law in most states.
I hold the extreme position – and I do not pretend – as you otherwise.
Your “nazis” hold the NORMAL position.
John, being deliberately obtuse is not making your attempt to make a point any better. You’re not really that dense. Surely.
Svelaz, oh, but he is; he is.
DB – pretty much universally – the conflicts I have with others on this Blog are BLUNT
That is the opposite of Obtuse.
Contra the assorted left wing nuts here, I BLUNTLY say “You are wrong, and this is why”
Only to get back from you – word games, refusal to accept reality. Narratives rather than facts.
One of the most significant disticntions between my posts and those I am at odds with – is that my posts are BLUNT.
They state my arguments clearly – and concisely – though sometimes repetitiously
Sometimes you have to whap someone over the head with the truth with the facts many times for them to get it.
Sometimes they never get it.
Regardless, that is the OPPOSITE of obtuseness.
Your respone to Svelaz does little beyond confirm your own intellectual shallowness.
Svelaz tossed out an insult – without actually thinking about what that insult actually means.
And you with the same lack of though celebrated that insult.
I honestly do not care about your or Svelaz’s insults.
But I WILL use whatever you say to expose who you are.
Calling me obtuse is “confession through projection”
If you are going to use words – you should know what they mean.
I suspect that nearly all hear would agree that I am BLUNT – that is the opposite of obtuse
YOU are obtuse. Your understanding of your own arguments is shallow.
obtuse
adjective
: difficult to comprehend : not clear or precise in thought or expression
“ Ahead of the Jan. 14 event, the anti-LGBTQ organization Protect Texas Kids began posting online about the weekly drag brunch at BuzzBrews, suggesting that, because the neighborhood restaurant did not explicitly ban children, organizers were catering to children and, thus, grooming them for sex.”
So what ?
And what proved True ? Children were taken to a bar to see adult entertainment.
And left wing nuts assaulted those protesting.
Your making this stupid argument that you are right because you chose to make the protestors right to spite them ?
And lets be Clear – BuzzBrews is a Bar – in their promotional literature they call themselves a pub.
https://www.buzzbrews.com/gallery/
In most states you can not take children to a bar – even if there is no adult entertainment.
I do not personally care.
But I care that you are lying.
You spin obfuscate, layer on the adjectives to try o change the narrative.
There is NOTHING in Protect TX Kids web site to suggest they are Nazi’s
There is nothing to suggest any political affilliation at all.
https://protecttxkids.org/
Correcting your quote
“ Ahead of the Jan. 14 event the organization Protect Texas Kids began posting online about the weekly drag brunch at BuzzBrews, a local Bar because kids might be present, and ultimately were”
group’s extremist views
“extremist” That word does not mean what you think it does.
“It’s quite relevant since they make false claims and make assumptions not in evidence themselves. They portray these events and businesses doing something that is not true. The make a lot of wild assumptions in their zeal to ban drag shows because they believe they are immoral even those that are only adult oriented. ”
Both false and irrelevant. It is a FACT that PTK proved correct.
It is also a fact that you can protest against something you are wrong about.
Those of you on the left do that all the time.
We listened to you rant repeatedly that shouting down Judge Duncan at an event where he was to speak was free speech.
Yet here you are arguing that peacefully protesting outside a Bar is somehow Anti-Free Speech ?
Do you have no shame ?
“they were ASSUMING people were taking kids to this event because there were no warnings about the event being adult oriented. They use the lack of specificity to directly assume children are allowed in those events without proof”
So ?
Worse for you THEY WERE RIGHT.
So there assumptions were correct.
“The Texas Tribune”
I read the article you linked. It was an editorial masquerading as straight news.
It is an op ed, not a recitation of facts.
You can agree with it if you wish, but it is near useless as a source for facts.
It is not even particularly good opinion.
But the big problem – common to the whole MSM today is that everywhere we find op eds posing as straight news.
The only harrassment I saw was of PTK. No Drag Queens were assaulted, not Drag Queens were maced.
Pretty much seems like from and to end – your NARRATIVE proved false.
Yet you keep telling us that it is PTK that was making false assumptions.
IOn issue after issue – it was YOU and the TX Trib that made false assumptions.
“At least a quarter of the anti-drag incidents have been directed at events that organizers say are not even remotely sexual: drag queen story hours, where performers read children’s books, often at a library or bookstore, in an effort to promote literacy.
Prominent anti-drag figures have made it clear that they think drag is obscene — regardless of the context.“
First that statement is obviously false. But even if it was true – SO WHAT ?
People are free to protest Drag as obscene. That you feel different does not thwart their right to protest or to feel different than you.
No one has claimed that Left Wing nuts can not protest Judge Duncan – or even that Antifa can not counter protest PTK.
The right to protest others is not conditioned on your agreement.
““ So ? The right to protest is not conditioned on your numbers or the merits of your protest.”
I didn’t say that.”
In those words no.
The hypocracy in your positions on speech issues, and the evetent to which naratives rather than rights or facts drive your posts,
is transparent to those who read your posts.
“Just pointing out the fact that the “protest” was indeed tiny.”
So the Drag show was tiny, the protests were tiny, the counter protest was tiny.
There are only two things that stand out.
What YOU claim are the false predictions of TPK all proved true.
We added another in the long list of examples of the left becoming violent to suppress others.
“Nope. There’s more to it than that. Those Protect Texas Kids protesters have a history of making claims that are not true”
All the claims you said were not true – proved to be True.
“No, they were ASSUMING people were taking kids to this event because there were no warnings about the event being adult oriented. They use the lack of specificity to directly assume children are allowed in those events without proof.”
So ? You assume without any basis all the time.
In this case TPK made assumptions that proved to be correct.
We can debate all kinds of things regarding the future.
It is ALWAYS true that to make predictions about the future you must make assumptions.
Some people are good at it – TPK has been doing pretty good.
Some people are bad – You as an example.
“These folks are zealots who don’t care whether they are adult oriented or not.”
Back to mind reading ?
“No, the NORM is parental rights are sacrosanct according to conservatives and libertarians.”
Conservatives and libertarians are not the same. Further NORMS are actually established by the majority,
and the NORM is that we preclude kids from adult entertainment.
NORMS are not ideology or beleifs, they are not inherently right or left.
They are society as it IS, not necescarily as it OUGHT to be.
Conservatives Do not want the sexualization of Kids period.
“If parents are ok with letting their kids attend such shows government shouldn’t be intruding on their right to decide…right?”
That is the libertarian position – it is NOT the conservative position, and it is NOT the progressive position.
“Who are strangers to tell others what to do with their children, right?”
Again the libertarian. not conservative of progressive position.
Nor is it YOUR position. We have all heard your rants opposing efforts to restrict teachers from violating the wishes of parents.
For once you have expressed the libertarian position correctly.
But pretending that is YOUR position is made a lie by your own posts on teachers.
“LOL!! It’s more honest than the rest. ”
Nope.
“They actually did investigative journalism”
That article was not investigative journalism.
“and pointed out what the rest of the media often omits those pertinent facts.”
Nope, not facts – oppinions. You can have what ever opinions you want,
But the do not belong inreporting – opinions go on the editorial page.
“But hey, you are certainly entitled to you opinion.”
The observation of the absense of facts and the abundance of opinion is NOT opinion – it is FACT.
Svelaz, we know that in your book any religious person is a zealot. You say that Antifa shouldn’t have done what they did but you really don’t mean it. You excuse their military use weapons because some other group did the same thing. Did you happen to notice that the protesters to the drag show for kids were protesting peacefully and were not carrying military style weapons. You compare Antifa to the proud boys but we have much more video of Antifa in acts of violence. We know that Antifa was there in mostly peaceful protests just like when they beat up a gay journalist. Your words of wisdom are highly appreciated.
“ Svelaz, we know that in your book any religious person is a zealot.”
Nope. There are zealots and there are your run of the mill religious prudes. Zealots are extremists in their own right. The vanilla variety of religious prudes are simply opposed to things THEY deem immoral but not entirely. They come in a lot of different flavors and levels of opposition.
“ You say that Antifa shouldn’t have done what they did but you really don’t mean it. You excuse their military use weapons because some other group did the same thing.”
Nope again, I thought it was impossible to read minds. They have a 2nd amendment right to bear arms, right? They are just exercising exactly the same right as right-wing nutties. Are you saying you oppose their right to bear arms?
The ANTIFA group was mostly peaceful with the exception of those three individuals.
It’s never a “good thing” for opposing protestors to bring weaponry to their protests. Rather than keeping events from becoming violent it instead stimulates and worse can foment violence. Anti-fascists using fascist tactics is a contradiction. You should have some appreciation for that.
Thanks to the Texas Tribune we know the mission of Protect Texas Kids:
“Our mission is to protect Texas kids from the harmful agenda of the left – from CRT to gender modification procedures on minors. The left has declared war on traditional values and made our children the battleground. We will confront their harmful agenda and protect our children from the lasting damage inflicted by the radical left.”
It is clearly not a fascist sentiment nor even one that remotely oppresses other opinions. Everyone should be particularly impressed with the organization’s concern for gender modification procedures on minors. A lot is being said and written about the unknown ramifications and dangers inherent when the procedures are undertaken before minors have progressed through puberty and prior to physical maturity. Everyone ought to appreciate the reality of gender dysphoria and the acute hardships some kids suffer because of it. But also to be appreciated is that it is treatable and when successful, as it mostly is, those kids go on to live fulfilling lives wholly content with their born sex.
I hope we soon come to understand that gender dysphoria is not a condition that should be used to argue for gender modification procedures on minors. And certainly real gender dysphoria should never be used to cause impressionable children who do not in fact suffer it to think they do. Parents should be mindful that feelings and sentiments kids pick up through their associations with others can be and often are harmful. Diagnose them carefully before allowing them to alter their biology.
Ron,
“ It’s never a “good thing” for opposing protestors to bring weaponry to their protests. Rather than keeping events from becoming violent it instead stimulates and worse can foment violence. ”
It also serves as a deterrent to being subjected to violence. They do have a right to defend themselves. In Texas it’s clearly understood to not antagonize those who are armed and are willing to defend themselves, right? They can protect property too just like that kid who was protecting property in Missouri, no?
“ I hope we soon come to understand that gender dysphoria is not a condition that should be used to argue for gender modification procedures on minors. ”
That was once the sentiment when homosexuality was at the forefront of the national discussion. They too were believed to be just a mental illness. Obviously that is not the case. It seems history is only repeating itself and those who didn’t learn are doomed to repeat it.
If you feel you need to defend yourself with firearms at a protest, its’ pretty good indication you shouldn’t attend. Everyone is still admonished to leave their weapons at home when attending a protest. They are not a deterrent to violence and bringing them could easily result in your and others’ serious injury or death. Bring your firearms and you are very likely certain to be engaged in some real mass violence. I’m surprised at your lack of concern for that given how much you wish to control firearms.
Never confuse gender dysphoria with anything that is LGBTQIA+. If you understood and fully appreciated gender dysphoria you would know it is [not] a mental illness. Rather it is not entirely uncommon distress some persons have for their sex at birth. It can be treated. Do not let anyone you care about think that a sex change is their only alternative. Especially the pubescent and those who are not yet physically mature. You really should take the time to learn about the dangers that go along with gender modification procedures that involve surgery and medicinal interventions in children.
Please stop pretending any of this is normal or ok. We have a generation of insane thugs on our hands, and at some point in the future we will have no choice but to hand our country to them. Can you imagine if the antics of late were just how the government is run, because these kids are the only ones in charge? CAHZ wasn’t an object lesson enough, with kids trying to grow crops underneath cardboard in the middle of a concrete jungle? What is it about modern liberals that makes them think they will live forever? No, YOU will have to live in that world, too unless you wake the eff up.
Insulated voters – WAKE UP, already. This is not going to get better unless we very, very proactively take action to make it better. That means: STOP. VOTING. DEM. JFK is dead, the party is not that party, and you need to wake up. You are no longer even voting for Bill Clinton,l and if you are sheltered enough for that to matter, then – sheesh. Lucky you. Uniparty be damned: at present the people still have a *modicum* of voice. USE IT. We *WILL* lose our country if you don’t. The comfort and obliviousness you have managed to hold onto against all odds will absolutely disappear in a wisp of smoke so fast that you won’t know what happened. Stop thinking in terms of ‘others’. In this country there is only *US*, and we have to turn this around right effing now.
James, calm down. You worry too much. Have an ice cold Bud light and relax.
@Svelaz
I don’t worry because I know I’m right, and i know that truth always wins out, even if there is collateral damage along the way. You are, along with Gigi, ATS, and Dennis, an idiot. Thanks for the feedback. if you aren’t getting paid for your idiocy -> 🙄 I hope it’s comfy underneath your bridge. I think about you and your opinions this much.
James, it’s obvious you’re being a bit paranoid. Yes, it’s that obvious. Chill dude, have cold one and stop worrying. YOU will be fine. Trust us. 😉
Well said James.
This is not the party of JFK.
This is the party of the US version of Mao.
@Upstate
My brother in-law (and I’ve said it before) is a sergeant in the LAPD. He has assured me from within they could have shut down the protests of 2020 in an hour had they not been hamstrung, which they were, mightily. My dad was born in LA, and his dad lived in the region until he died. The trolls can kiss my *bleep* and *bleep* my *bleep*. I cannot, as a regular person and a regular voter imagine being that privileged and insulated. The trolls on this site are either paid or trust fund babies with nothing better to do, take your pick. Meanwhile, the rest of our tax dollars pay for their fragility and temper tantrums. Somebody change Svelaz’s nappy, stat. I think he/she made a poo. Everyday. Bless the nanny that has to clean up after he/she. 😂 That is how seriously I take their idiocy. And yet, nobody has ‘banned’ them. Pfft. Impossible to take seriously.
James, I’m no that fund baby. Just a regular joe six pack. What IS interesting is that all you have to offer is insults and mockery and whining. Are you helping Hullbobby keep count today? He’s having trouble keeping up.
Sorry, ‘CHAZ’.
Ridiculous posers and wannabes.
Mr. Turley,
Do you think that these masked cowards consider themselves “liberal”?
I regret that the police did not immediately pull off the masks of the arrested Antifa members, for all to see.
It is considered a felony to wear a mask in Virginia unless if for medical reasons. And yet, ANTIFA BLM Anarchists in VA regularly foment violence while wearing masks. It is baffling
§ 18.2-422. Prohibition of wearing of masks in certain places; exceptions.
It shall be unlawful for any person over 16 years of age to, with the intent to conceal his identity, wear any mask, hood or other device whereby a substantial portion of the face is hidden or covered so as to conceal the identity of the wearer, to be or appear in any public place, or upon any private property in this Commonwealth without first having obtained from the owner or tenant thereof consent to do so in writing.
https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title18.2/chapter9/section18.2-422/
Ex-Gov Ralph Northam, Dem, lifted the ban. Gov Glenn Youngkin cancelled it by signing a new law reinstating the former law. So it goes
Lin – Their faces are in the mug shots, which are shown at the end of the video.
not so old man: Yes, thank you, I saw that. But I was thinking about the personal, contemporaneous humiliation of having it pulled off right in front of God and everybody, especially if the offenders were “local boys.” Even if they were not, the immediate embarrassment is worthy of note.
Antifa is a political-military organization, but as they say in California: “Don’t worry. They work for us. When that changes we will do something about it.”
The Democrats’ Brownshirts. The Role of the Sturmabteilung (SA) in Nazi Germany The SA were the Sturmabteilung, meaning ‘assault division’. The group were also known as the Brownshirts or Storm Troopers. It was a violent paramilitary group attached to the Nazi Party in pre-World War Two Germany.
@Manuel Lopez:….clearly aided,abetted,and supported by the Democrat Party and its minions. A DOJ/FBI of repute would have routed and gutted that lot by now. But ‘No’!
Here are the questions that we will never see reporters, MEDIA, or Democrats ask:
(1) Why do drag queens want to “read to children” during story hour anyway? What is their real motive/intent/purpose?
(2) Why did the masked, armed Antifa counter-protesters cross the road and in-your-face confront the protesters, rather than simply counter-protest where they were?
(3) Why won’t Antifa members show their faces? Why hide behind masks? Can you imagine the FIVE protesters dressed in black and covering their faces? What would media say about that?
(4) Why did Antifa run from the police, rather than just simply obeying the police to stop?
(5) Why was the first arrested Antifa member screaming, “Help!” ???? Doesn’t look like he was being roughed up or hurt. Indeed, he is the one who disobeyed the police and is later seen trying to reach his gun as they struggle to handcuff him?
(6) What do these three arrested Antifa members do in life? Are they employed? Do they HAVE a life (outside of the notoriety that they obviously seek)?
(7) and most important, What does Antifa contribute to society? the community? Indeed, civilization at large?
Lin,
“1) Why do drag queens want to “read to children” during story hour anyway? What is their real motive/intent/purpose?”
Your Tucker Carlson questioning is hilarious, but I’ll indulge
Why do people dress in costume when they read to children? Those drag queen costumes during reading time are not inappropriate. Here’s a more pertinent question. Why are parents who attend these drag queen readings ok with letting their kids attend the reading. It’s not like they don’t know, right? It’s described exactly what it is a reading with someone dressed in drag. What if it’s just a colorful costume? Whimsical? Or just outright crazy looking, but not sexual?
When people mention these drag queen readings to children the first thing they focus on is “sexualization”. It’s the prudish adults morality superiority complex who wouldn’t be sending THEIR kids to such readings, but ignore the fact that other parents are just fine with it and they don’t like that.
Here’s a crazy idea, they just want to read to children because their costume even if it’s as a drag queen is…..gasp!!!….fun. The horror! Children get that its’ fun. It’s the squeamish adults who would never be there for such an event that have an issue. Let THEM deal with their own revulsion instead of dictating to others, right?
“2) Why did the masked, armed Antifa counter-protesters cross the road and in-your-face confront the protesters, rather than simply counter-protest where they were?”
It was ONE guy initially, a 20 year old. We both know 20 year olds are still not in full control of their emotions, right? One went too far and did something stupid. Is that not expected of any 20 year old? The older ones did stay put. The armed ones. What does THAT say about those guys? Just three ANTIFA protesters were arrested for assault and resisting arrest. Keep in mind that confronting protesters to their faces is not illegal. It was the stupid actions of one guy spraying mace. The others didn’t do anything until the police arrived.
“Why won’t Antifa members show their faces? Why hide behind masks? Can you imagine the FIVE protesters dressed in black and covering their faces? What would media say about that?”
They are not required to show their faces. Are they? Proud boys members cover their faces too. Why is that relevant?
“4) Why did Antifa run from the police, rather than just simply obeying the police to stop?”
LOL! They are ANTIFA. They are essentially anarchists. Why would you expect them to be compliant? They are anti-fascists they consider the police…fascist. That should be a no brainer.
“Why was the first arrested Antifa member screaming, “Help!” ???? Doesn’t look like he was being roughed up or hurt. Indeed, he is the one who disobeyed the police and is later seen trying to reach his gun as they struggle to handcuff him?”
Probably because he sought help from his fellow ANTIFA members. He seemed to reach fo this gun, but from the video he could have just been making sure it wasn’t falling out. There were no gun charges mind you. The police report didn’t allege anyone reaching for their gun.
“What do these three arrested Antifa members do in life? Are they employed? Do they HAVE a life (outside of the notoriety that they obviously seek)?”
Surely they do. They are certainly not homeless, They CAN afford the gear and guns, right. Obviously like the proud boys and the Bugalloo brigade or whatever they call themselves all have normal every day jobs and lives. Their membership is no different than being members of the free masons or any other group outside of their normal lives.
“7) and most important, What does Antifa contribute to society? the community? Indeed, civilization at large?”
What does it matter. Girls scouts? What do they contribute to society besides peddling cookies and comping? What do the Proud boys contribute to society besides being fascists and antagonists?
You seem like the perfect candidate to replace Tucker Carlson. You’re pretty good. You should apply for the position.
So you’re a troll who specializes in spraying around a large volume of shallow, tedious replies to others’ comments, wallowing in petty snark and evading the basic point of the author’s blog post and other comments. Do you support Antifa’s apparent goals? Do you support their strategy and tactics for achieving them?
Evading the basic point? No. Pointing out a different perspective on the issue? Certainly. It’s the whole point of this blog. I’m surprised you didn’t figure it out sooner. Offering a different perspective is encouraged here. It’s in line with all that free speech stuff Turley keeps mentioning.
Sleezevez,
I generally make it a point not to read your posts, and this post is the perfect reason why.
You are a immoral pervert and an idiot.
Upstatefarmer, you read every one of them. I know. Offering a different perspective is not immoral or perverted. In fact the only perverts are those who are opposing the shows thinking that children are present in every one of them and are being exposed to overt sexual behavior and jokes. That overactive imagination conceptualizing what goes on in those shows is the perversion. They are the ones who spend the most time thinking about it than those who attend the shows.
” Offering a different perspective is not immoral or perverted.”
Svelaz, just because a perspective is different doesn’t make it immoral or perverted, but your particular views do.
Svelaz should not be permitted near schools.
Lin,
I think I might be able to answer:
1) Reading to young, impressionable children is a gateway to sexualizing them. And for some so-called minor attracted persons aka pedos, grooming them into their next victims.
2) They are violent.
3) They claim by wearing mask they cannot be doxxed by ultra-super-right wing conservatives. In reality they are cowards and do not want to be held accountable for their violent ways.
4) Because they are criminals, caught conducting a criminal act.
5) He screamed for help, expecting his so-called comrades to come to his aid . . . against the police.
6) Do not have any information on that. Future reporting may come to light.
7) Nothing. They are thugs. They harass, intimidate regular, normal people all in the defense of something that does not exist. They assault LEOs, attempt to burn down buildings with people inside of them, and are some of the reasons why crime rates have skyrocketed in some cities.
Note, I saw that Sleezevez wrote a response, but I made a point not to read it before posting this.
Upstatefarmer. You demonstrated my point perfectly.
Here’s different perspective.
Those who were against same-sex marriage, especially a lot of pastors and critics turned out to be gay. Those who were against the homosexual “lifestyle”, again a few notable pastors, turned out of be gay and in a relationship with another man or had “relations”.
Pedophiles? The ones always pushing celibacy and trust; hint catholic priests, turned out to be the biggest pedophiles around…for decades. You CAN say they were sexualizing and literally grooming children for real and republicans and most conservatives did what? Meh, it’s a church issue. Right? But reading to children in costume is somehow the most egregious thing now? Really? It seems the problem is no not the individuals reading to children in drag, It’s you. You are the one who is abnormally fantasizing about children being sexualized by guys who are just reading to children wearing a costume. Guess what? Parents who let their children be read to by them are fine with it. If YOU don’t like it. Don’t attend a children’s reading by a drag queen. That would make YOU a pervert wouldn’t it? See how easy it is to make YOU the bad guy?
I almost forgot, Hulbobby will be whining about my “unusual” number of posts today. I wonder if he will say “Svelaz posting a gazillion posts today is ridiculous”.
Speaking of anti-free speech, OT; DeSantis is bing sued by Disney for political retaliation for exercising it’s free speech rights when it criticized the “don’t say gay bill”. Disney seems to have waited until DeSantis overreached to sue. Desantis kindly obliged apparently. Not to be outdone he also signed a bill banning drag shows and threatening liquor licenses if children are present. Also an anti-free speech retaliation.
If parents are ok with letting their kids attend with them a drag show why shouldn’t they have the right to? Whatever happened to parental rights? The government is the best at deciding what parents can and cannot allow their children to attend? Funny innit?
Geez, I think the coffee has been particularly strong this morning.
“DeSantis is bing sued by Disney for political retaliation for exercising it’s free speech rights when it criticized the “don’t say gay bill”.”
There is a don not initiate sexual dialog with children before the 4th grade bill.
There is no Don’t Say Gay bill.
When you lie like this – you undermine your own credibility.
It is unconstitutional for FL to infringe on the right to Free speech.
It is not unconstitutional for FL to revoke privileges.
Once again you are trotting out the stupid argument that someone can not do something perfectly legal because of YOU guesses as to their motives.
“Disney seems to have waited until DeSantis overreached to sue.”
Disney will lose. Their actual rights were not infringed.
“Not to be outdone he also signed a bill banning drag shows and threatening liquor licenses if children are present.”
Such laws exist all over the place. Most states bar children in Bars. Most states bar children in places of adult entertainment.
“Also an anti-free speech retaliation.”
We have myriads of laws that restrict activities involving children.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsIhLdbteO0
“If parents are ok with letting their kids attend with them a drag show why shouldn’t they have the right to?”
Why shouldn’t parents have the right to control what schools teach their kids about sex ?
Why shouldn’t parents have a right to control the books schools make available to kids ?
“Whatever happened to parental rights?”
You killed them.
“The government is the best at deciding what parents can and cannot allow their children to attend? Funny innit?”
What is funny is that you support teachers indoctrinbating kids against their parents wishes.
Even hiding from parents what they are doing.
And, this is exactly what Turley often ignores about these protest against drag shows.
“It doesn’t matter — they’re still nesting evil,” said John, a self-described neo-fascist with the American Nationalist Initiative who protested outside of BuzzBrews and who declined to give his last name. “They’re literally corrupting the standard of morality in America.”
Others were more blunt: “Most of us want to kill all of you,” another man yelled at counter-protesters.
Inside, the show went on as it had for months. The lead performer, Daphne Rio, told the crowd that organizers never stipulated who could and couldn’t come because it was never an issue — until anti-drag activists made it one.”
https://www.texastribune.org/2023/02/24/texas-drag-protests-children/
The reason why ANTIFA which is short for anti-fascists, is because there are literally fascists protesting the events as well. Does Turley mention the direct threats claiming those organizing and performing drag shows should be killed? These are right wing individuals harping about morality. Would members of ANTIFA protecting these events be considered…moral because they are protecting the right of drag performers to exercise THEIR free speech rights, THEIR liberty? Turley doesn’t think things through it seems. He’s more interested in feeding the rage of these prudish zealots who can’t handle the thought that other adults enjoy some adult oriented fun and they are consumed by their own paranoid delusions that every show involves children. Good thing the 2nd amendment allows ANTIFA to be armed and allow them to protect these businesses from prudish harassers and bloviating nincompoops. Geez.
I support the right of those who wish to perform in drag – even sexually explicit drag shows.
I also support the rights of those who wish to protest those shows.
I support the right of people to protest the protesters.
Regardless it does not matter if John was a NAZI.
Even NAZI’s are free to protest Drag shows without being assaulted.
none of the above should be meritorious – these principles are the foundations of free society.
I support the right of the Texas Tribune to post the left wing nut narrative garbage they offered as journalism.
The article you linked is an excellent example of a free press. It is NOT however an example of an unbiased press or accurate reporting.
That does not mean that I would trust a single word they reported – it was obvious within the first sentence or two – they were not reporting,
they were proselytizing – which they have the right to do.
Most of us have learned not to trust reporters who tell us what others say rather than quote them.
In many states it is illegal to bring children into a bar. If you do not like that – change the law, or change the location of your drag show.
In all states macing non-violent protestors is a crime – assault, in some states aggravated assault.
You may not initiate force against others – that is the foundation of the social contract.
There is no “unless they are protesting a drag show” exception.
“Others were more blunt: “Most of us want to kill all of you,” another man yelled at counter-protesters.”
Again “another man” – thisis reporting ? Why are we to trust TexasTribune ?
Regardless, free speech – no matter how unpleasant is not a justification for violence.
There is no doubt who assaulted who.
“Inside, the show went on as it had for months. The lead performer, Daphne Rio, told the crowd that organizers never stipulated who could and couldn’t come because it was never an issue — until anti-drag activists made it one.”
This is relevant how ?
I do not care if the protestors were outside protesting against UFO’s .
Antifa may not assault them.
You constantly try to qualify rights contingent on whether you agree with those excercising them.
The most rights you are entitled to is the least rights you allow those you hate.
“The reason why ANTIFA which is short for anti-fascists, is because ”
As is typical of those on the left they ARE what they claim to oppose.
What we see on pretty much all Antifa Video is EXACTLY what the NAZI Brown shirts did.
“there are literally fascists protesting the events as well.”
Not that is matters – but there are ? The TexasTribune provided no evidence of that.
“Does Turley mention the direct threats claiming those organizing and performing drag shows should be killed? ”
The only violence evident was that of Antifa.
“These are right wing individuals harping about morality.”
So ?
“Would members of ANTIFA protecting these events be considered…moral because they are protecting the right of drag performers to exercise THEIR free speech rights, THEIR liberty?”
They would – if that is what they were doing. But it is not. They initiated violence against non-violent protestors, They were arrested – in the course of those legitimate arrests other antifa members assaulted police officers and were also arrested.
You are not protecting anyone’s rights when you beat up non-violent protestors – even actual Nazi’s.
“Turley doesn’t think things through it seems.”
No that would be YOU.
“He’s more interested in feeding the rage of these prudish zealots who can’t handle the thought that other adults enjoy some adult oriented fun”
Very very bizarre argument – YOU are stating this was adult oriented Fun – i.e. Not Suitable for children, that is what Adult oriented means.
I doubt Turley cares one way or the other about so called prudish zealots.
It does not matter whether the Protestors were actual Nazi’s or Mothers against Pedo’s.
The violence was initiated by Antifa members.
They advanced on the protestors – which is NOT a crime, but increases your responsibility for what ensues.
And one of them Maced several protestors multiple times.
That is assault. We do not know what was said – though it does not matter – as noted Antifa initiated contact and initiated the violence.
That is all that matters.
“and they are consumed by their own paranoid delusions that every show involves children.”
So ? The Woman in your article chose to take her kids to a bar because of these protests.
In some states – probably in Texas, that is a crime. Whether there is a drag show or not.
And YOU are the one who claimed this was adult oriented entertainment – i.e. unsuitable for children.
” Good thing the 2nd amendment allows ANTIFA to be armed and allow them to protect these businesses from prudish harassers and bloviating nincompoops. ”
The 2nd amendment does allow Antifa to be armed – and Texas is an open Carry state.
Fortunately no one in Antifa was stupid enough to use a gun to settle a verbal dispute.
The video is unclear due to the close angle, but it appears that one of those being arrested was attempting to reach for his – or the police officers gun during the arrest. If so – that is a crime.
The facts here are trivial.
Counter protestor initiates violence against protestor by macing them multiple times.
Police arrest, Counter Protestor and buddies assault police officer and further arrests ensue.
That is the story.
What was being protested does not matter.
Who was protesting does not matter.
Who was counter protesting does not matter.
No one’s motives or intentions matter.
Acts matter. Initiating violence is a crime.
It is a crime whether you are in drag, a Nazi or Antifa.
John B say. It matters. It’s the whole reason why they are there to protest.
Wanting to deflect from the facts and context is dismissing the substance of the issue. There’s more to it than just action.
“John B say. It matters. It’s the whole reason why they are there to protest.”
Back to the hypocracy – and mind reading.
“Wanting to deflect from the facts and context is dismissing the substance of the issue.”
The substance is that TPK is free to protest – just as the NAZI’s are and Antifa is.
“There’s more to it than just action.”
More mind reading.
Again Even Christ judges based on our ACTS – not the “more” that you think you can devine through tea leaves.
As to TPK’s positions – they are expressed on their own web site.
I judge people – right and left, by what the say about themselves, AND the extent to which their ACTS reflect what they have said.
I do NOT Judge people based on what OTHERS say about them.
This story has been up for a few hours and Svelaz has already commented 10 times all defending Antifa or drag for kids. Anything to push the leftist agenda as a paid member of the Democrat party. In other words A DEMOCRAT OPERATIVE.
Hullbubby, right on cue with the whining. I’m presenting a different point of view regarding ANTIFA. One that Turley likes to ignore. Isn’t the whole point of this site to discuss…different points of view? There ARE legitimate arguments in defense of ANTIFA just as there are legitimate arguments in defense of the Proud boys or whatever group is in opposition to ANTIFA.
By the way, I’m not a democrat, I have told you multiple times. I’m a republican. Register as a republican and often vote as a republican. Can’t be a “democrat operative” If I’m a republican.
Peter, you have told us for years that you are a Republican, a Jew, a heterosexual, married to a wife, who is barefoot, pregnant in the kitchen and homeschools your 13 children, as you make a 6 figure income hiking the hills of West Hollywood. Problem: your word is as trustworthy as your scores of other sockpuppets. You were a lot more fun when you were Peter Shill. Now you’re just a young guy in a skirt, bad hair, cheap lipstick who has PMS tantrums on here under the name “Gigi” and previously “Natacha”.
I told you years ago to enroll in a creative writing course at UCLA West Hollywood campus to up your writing game. But you rejected that suggestion because trolls just wanna have fun
Regards to the Mrs
Buckels, E. E., Trapnell, P. D., & Paulhus, D. L. (2014). Trolls just want to have fun. Personality and Individual Differences, 67, 97–102. https://isiarticles.com/bundles/Article/pre/pdf/29932.pdf
In two online studies (total N = 1215), respondents completed personality inventories and a survey of their Internet commenting styles. Overall, strong positive associations emerged among online commenting frequency, trolling enjoyment, and troll identity, pointing to a common construct underlying the measures. Both studies revealed similar patterns of relations between trolling and the Dark Tetrad of personality: trolling correlated positively with sadism, psychopathy, and Machiavellianism, using both enjoyment ratings and identity scores. Of all personality measures, sadism showed the most robust associations with trolling and, importantly, the relationship was specific to trolling behavior. Enjoyment of other online activities, such as chatting and debating, was unrelated to sadism. Thus cyber-trolling appears to be an Internet manifestation of everyday sadism
Svelaz – You are a left wing nut. That is self evident.
You can register as anything.
But what you ARE is defined by what you say and how you act.
And your words and actions are self evidently those of the far left.
John B. Say, so by your own logic Turley is a right wing nut. He is defied by what he says. Why bother calling him a liberal democrat? Right?
“John B. Say, so by your own logic Turley is a right wing nut.”
Nope he is a pretty typical 20th century liberal.
“He is defied by what he says.”
Yup and he talks like a 20th century liberal.
And he has been for decades.
” Why bother calling him a liberal democrat?”
Because that is what he is. There are very few of those today.
There are lots of Progressive Democrats. and left wing nut democrats.
“Can’t be a “democrat operative” If I’m a republican.”
Dumb.
He’s a supporter of thugs. What do you expect.
For the record only three members of the ANTIFA counter protest were arrested none were charged with illegal weapons possession. What happened was one ANTIFA member approached the Protect Texas Kids protesters and sprayed mace onto the crowd. When police finally intervened the rest of the ANTIFA group remained on the sidewalk, armed and stayed away from the two ANTIFA protesters who chose to interact with the police. Those arrested were charged with assault and resisting arrest. It’s not as bad as Turley made it seem. In fact this has happened before. ANTIFA members in Texas are often armed and that gives them the protection from being intimidated by others when they are just standing guard against other protesters at some of these drag show events.
At least ANTIFA has their 2nd amendment rights too. Crazy eh?
“For the record only three members of the ANTIFA counter protest were arrested none were charged with illegal weapons possession. ”
Correct. They were charged with multiple counts of assault and of resisting arrest.
“What happened was one ANTIFA member approached the Protect Texas Kids protesters and sprayed mace onto the crowd.”
Incorrect.
This is all on video – rather than explain it to us all – we can all watch it.
A small group of Antifa counter protestors – approached a small group of TPK protestors
The Drag event itself was SMALL, the Protest was SMALL, the Counter protest was SMALL.
The arrest of 3 antifa memmbers is a significant portion of the counter protestors.
No one sprayed mace into a crowd. One Antifa protestor sprayed mace directing into the face of one TPK protestor REPEATEDLY.
This is called assault. It is a crime. It was intentional.
“When police finally intervened the rest of the ANTIFA group remained on the sidewalk, armed and stayed away from the two ANTIFA protesters who chose to interact with the police. ” FALSE, There was lost of scurrying about – While it is correct that more than half of the Antifa counter protestors did NOT commit any crimes, They followed the police, encroached on the police while doing their job, and verbally harassed the police.
That is all legal. But it is NOT quietly staying off to the sidelines.
Nearly all Antifa counter protestors CHOSE to interract with the police.
Interrating with the police is not a crime.
Assault is. Those arrested CHOSE to commit a crime. They did not merely chose to interact with police.
More spin narrative and word games by Svelaz.
No one FORCED Olivio to bring kids tot he event – she CHOSE to do so. And no one stopped her – Proving that TPK was correct.
Kids were welcome.
No one sprayed mace into a crowd. A4 antifa members approached a group of 4 TPK protestors and one Antifa member spray mace in the face – from about 2ft away of a TPK protester multiple times. that is assault. It is a crime, a felony.
The Antifa members that were arrested did not “chose to interact with police” – All present antifa chose tointeract with police.
Those arrested chose to assault police, or actively interfere in the arrests of others
They were arrested for CRIMES, not “interracting with the police”.
The size of the entire event was small. the size of the protest was small, the size of the counter protest was small.
There were no “crowds” unless your definiton of a crows is 4 people standing on a street corner with 4 other people coming 50 yrds to confront them.
Stick to the FACTS, not spin.
Assaulting people with mace and assaulting the police is not protecting people.
No one is upset that Antifa had guns. They are upset that Antifa assaulted people.
I would note that a conviction for assault will result in those convicted becoming “persons not to possess”
i.e those Antifa members will in the future be barred from owning guns, carrying guns, or in any other way possessing guns.
This is one of the Red Flag laws that bar people convicted of violent crimes from possessing guns in the future.
“The Texas Tribune reviewed more than two dozen anti-drag incidents, including protests and online harassment campaigns, that have occurred in the state since the beginning of Pride Month last June. Taken together, they show how a small but influential cadre of activists and extremist groups have fueled anti-drag panic by routinely characterizing all drag as inherently and nefariously sexual regardless of the content or audience. Those claims have then been used to justify harassment and legislation targeting the LGBTQ community as a whole, often under the guise of protecting kids.
At least a quarter of the anti-drag incidents have been directed at events that organizers say are not even remotely sexual: drag queen story hours, where performers read children’s books, often at a library or bookstore, in an effort to promote literacy.
Prominent anti-drag figures have made it clear that they think drag is obscene — regardless of the context.”
https://www.texastribune.org/2023/02/24/texas-drag-protests-children/
It all come down to this, a small group of conservatives that are offended by the idea that drag shows exist. Drag shows ARE forms of free speech and Turley should know that. What these groups are doing is anti-free speech. They are merely offended by the idea and it has been augmented by their own paranoia believing children are involved in every show.
“Drag queens do not belong around children. Neither does gender ideology,” said Tayler Hansen, who frequently films drag performances while undercover to post online, sometimes dressed as a woman.”
Note that last part. He sometimes dresses as a…woman. Clearly he’s triggered by the lewd adult content that is oftentimes just around adults. Protect Texas kids is just an excuse for prudes to prevent other adults from expressing their views and personal liberty to believe what they want using children as an excuse to stop it.
“But anti-drag protesters have also targeted adults-only events where children were explicitly banned. Other times, they’ve harassed “family friendly” drag events, including drag bingo and other fundraisers for LGBTQ organizations, where raunchy jokes and profanity were scaled back to accommodate younger audience members.
But the most salient right-wing outrage has been targeted at shows that don’t explicitly ban children, or ones that include disclaimers not unlike an R-rated movie. But in the absence of an age limit, activists have told their followers that these performances are targeting children.
Such was the case at BuzzBrews last month: The restaurant had hosted its drag brunch almost every week for a year. Most of the online tickets said nothing about age limits — but noted potential “adult humor and language” and urged attendees to “use your own best judgment when purchasing tickets.”
That, Protect Texas Kids founder Kelly Neidert said, was tantamount to “encouraging” children to attend.”
Clearly these events are NOT what they are being portrayed to be by those who oppose them, prudes who can’t handle other adults having fun their way. Pretty sad.
Your Texas Tribune cite is called an OVIOUS editorial. It is an Opinion
Actually a long list of opinions.
It is not reporting of facts.
From end to end it is full of narative, spin and mind reading.
You are free to agree with it if you wish.
What you can not credible do is present it as Truth.
It is not – and obviously so.
“Democratic senators refused to clearly denounce Antifa . . .” (JT)
Why would they denounce their own shock troops?
The origin of Antifa is Antifaschistische Aktion, a militant so-called anti-fascist organisation during the Weimar Republic started by members of the Communist Party of Germany that existed from 1932 to 1933 in the runup to Hitler. They were competing with another commie/anarchist party, the National Socialist Democratic Workers Party. The Nazis won out in that competition because they out-fascist-ed AA. Look up Antifaschistische Aktion and their flag, it is almost identical to the Antifa flag.
Seems to me that our CrackerJack FBI would have already penetrated and brought down the Antifa Cells around the country. There have been numerous arrests over the years, many have been identified and unmasked. Usual anti-terrorist procedure or good police work then starts to piece together associates, and then money trails and such. You observe and trail the known individuals and find more. Then you start to approach, make arrests, get the arrested individuals to turn and spread your web until you destroy the organization. The FBI has done this and done it well over the decades. They literally went to the ends of the earth to nail the J6 “insurrectionists”, in some cases just for trespassing and then other more serious offenses. Military Intelligence tracked down Saddam Hussein in his own country in a “hole in the ground” and yet they cannot seem to bring these Antifa terrorists to heel. Seems like a strange degree of singular ineptitude or is it just just lack of interest or emphasis. Very Strange.
GEB,
I am of the opinion there are few to some hardcore antifa thugs.
The rest just show up in their black clothing, and pretend to be all big and bad and try to intimidate people.
As you can see from the video, there were a few bad actors.
The rest just stood around and did nothing.
Note the number of thugs vs the protesters. And oh, how dangerous those protesters were standing across the street, one with a sign.
I am of the opinion there are few to some hardcore antifa thugs.
If only you were accurate. Here in Richmond they have a demonstrable presence in public and private cells. They post on Reddit, Twitter and other social media sites where they discuss their planned events. They recently committed physical violence at a state university against a young female student, all for sponsoring a Pro-Life speaker on campus.
Richmond ANTIFA BLM have caused much harm. Recall you and I discussed ANTIFA having meetings in a public park in our neighborhood, where I joined them. Later they marched together to downtown to do what anarchists do. Recall I also stated that I was gifted an AR-15 by my spouse to protect the home because my Glocks would be useless against a mob of ANTIFA BLM anarchists.
You may not have them in your town, but I do. I now carry my weapon with me everywhere I go because Democrats cover for ANTIFA BLM violence against us all. I have had a concealed weapon permit for decades and it provides me the peace of mind that no LEO can, particularly since LEO have targets on their backs because of Democrats. Svelaz and the DNC trolls on here defend ANTIFA because they are part of their extended network
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Estovir,
Thank you for that insight.
As MSM provides cover for them, reporting on them is rare.
I have read a few reports here and there.
Well said. It only pays to be prudent. If they swing at your head, prudence would dictate a massive response. Head injuries are remarkably unpredictable and deadly. You chest or abdomen can withstand mild blunt force trauma relatively well. The blow to the head is totally unpredictable and catastrophic with even small injuries depending on speed of the instrument, age, distance of fall subsequent and such. Even closed head injuries can result in massive swelling, intracerebral hemorrhage and severe permanent impairment.