Below is my column in The Messenger on the celebrations after the fourth indictment of former president Donald Trump — and the dismissal of any concerns over the implications of these prosecutions for free speech. Some Democrats are warning that they need to avoid the public displays of joy. The danger is that Democrats just might conga their way into another 2016 backlash against the establishment.
Here is the column:
The great novelist F. Scott Fitzgerald once wrote that “there is something awe-inspiring in one who has lost all inhibitions.” Fitzgerald’s observation came back to me in watching the media coverage of the latest Trump indictment. As I myself covered the indictment as a legal analyst for Fox, I once again felt a certain longing for the abandon shown by some of my counterparts who dismissed any concern over what are now roughly 100 criminal charges against former President Donald Trump in four different indictments. It was like watching a party through a window that you could not join.
I cannot say that I have ever been much of a party animal. However, there are times when being a legal analyst is like being the designated driver at a rave party. Everyone seems to have lampshades on their heads as you furiously google-map the safest route home.
At MSNBC, host Rachel Maddow interviewed Hillary Clinton in a segment that began with the two liberal figures laughing joyfully. Clinton then regained her composure and solemnly declared her “profound sadness” at this moment. The scene captured the dilemma for press and pundits in attempting to control emotions that seemed at times like the open ecstasy of a thrill kill.
Former Biden Press Secretary Jen Psaki had earlier pushed book clubs to adopt the indictments for collective reading, and others had suggested that families should read “every word” so as not to miss even a syllable of satisfaction. Nothing allows a Democratic child to sleep more contently at night than the predicate offenses to a Trump racketeering charge.
Former Democratic Senator and MSNBC contributor Claire McCaskill (who previously warned everyone to “back off” Hunter Biden) was in open rapture. She proclaimed “the good news is we finally have Rudy Giuliani indicted. Whoo-hoo! That makes me very happy.”
For her part, MSNBC host Andrea Mitchell took a moment to celebrate a “strong black woman standing up to Donald Trump,” adding a race element to the celebratory charging moment.
The celebration got to the point that a leading democratic adviser suggested others should tamp down the public displays.
It did little good. If you watched the last few days of cable programming, you would think that Porn Hub was about to introduce a new fetish category for “Trump Indictments.”
These “Whoo-hoo” moments are not shared by many who fear that these indictments are criminalizing political speech and chilling future challenges to elections. For many, it is hard to get to beyond the name on the caption to consider the downstream implications of these sweeping indictments.
It’s not hard to see the implications: Many of the over 160 individual acts described in the Georgia indictment are political speech ranging from actual speeches to tweets to telephone calls. Some of these crimes could as easily apply to Democrats in past challenges.
Hillary Clinton maintained for years that the 2016 election was stolen by Donald Trump who was an illegitimate president. Her campaign hid the funding of the infamous Steele Dossier and lied to media in denying the funding. It then pushed false claims of Russian collusion.
Stacey Abrams in Georgia refused to concede the election and alleged widespread voter suppression and election irregularities.
Clinton’s former general counsel, Marc Elias, challenged an election in New York on the basis for voting machines changing votes. Sound familiar?
In January 2005, then-Sen. Barbara Boxer joined former Rep. Stephanie Tubbs Jones to challenge George W. Bush’s victory over Democratic challenger John Kerry in the state of Ohio. Speaker Nancy Pelosi praised Boxer’s challenge as “witnessing Democracy at work … fundamental to our democracy.”
House Jan. 6 Committee chairman, Bennie Thompson (D-Miss.), supported the challenge to the certification of the 2004 election results. His fellow committee member, Rep. Jamie Raskin (D-Md.), sought to challenge Trump’s certification in 2016.
In both the indictments by Special Counsel Jack Smith and Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis, the prosecutors simply declare that Trump and his team knew that there was no voting fraud and therefore can be jailed for contesting the election of Joe Biden. No one suggested that the challenges in 2004 and 2016 had merit, but they were celebrated not prosecuted.
As politicians and pundits conga-line around this story, there is little concern over the growing anger and divisions in the country. A recent poll shows the country divided in half on the charges. Among the 53 percent favoring the charges are 85% of Democrats. Less than half of independents and only 16% of Republicans favor the charges. Other polls show 55 percent of the public viewed the earlier indictments as “politically motivated.”
The indictment (let alone the quadruple indictment) of the leading candidate for the presidency should not occur on novel or attenuated claims. That is what is happening in Atlanta, New York, and Washington. (I have previously written that the documents prosecution in Florida is a much stronger case.) As someone who criticized Trump on his election claims as well as his Jan. 6 speech, I find many of these allegations to be legitimately disturbing and deplorable. Yet, that does not justify the criminalization of the claims. It does not excuse the cost to the Constitution or the country in pursuing these cases.
Many pundits are fully aware of the impact these cases (and the public celebrations) are likely to have on the Republican base. They hope that it will secure the nomination for Trump, thereby securing an easy opponent for the general election. Yet, they are also playing a dangerous political game if they overplay (or over-celebrate) this moment.
Trump was swept into power on an anti-establishment movement that took Washington by surprise. The establishment has now given Trump an even greater appeal as a statement of defiance, particularly if Democratic prosecutors seek to jail him. It is the same feeling that I wrote about before the 2016 election. A significant number of those who oppose the indictments in polling are also expressing opposition to Trump as a candidate. That can easily change if the 2024 election becomes another vote against the establishment as opposed to a vote for Donald Trump.
Jonathan Turley, an attorney, constitutional law scholar and legal analyst, is the Shapiro Chair for Public Interest Law at The George Washington University Law School.
Turley’s unceasing need to voice his OFF-TOPIC distaste for Trump while “defending” him has gotten, in my opinion, BEYOND the point of annoying. I would hate to be a defendant facing a stacked deck of bogus criminal charges dealt from the bottom of the deck by some slimey riverboat gambler posing as a prosecutor, and have a defense lawyer that felt compelled to unceasingly remind the jury that I’m an unrepentent scumbag who should not be allowed to live among civilized people — but that nonetheless my disgusting, antisocial conduct — while repugnant and contrary to basic human decency — doesn’t quite reach the level of criminality.
At this point — having heard this sentiment echo again and again and again throughout Turley’s Trump-related pieces for several years dating back to the Stormy Daniels years — I can only reasonably conclude that the George Washington University law school doesn’t produce a particularly auspicious crop of defense lawyers these days (let us pause in honor of renowned alumnus, Michael Avenatti — LOL), because something tells me that perpetual equivocation and a summation that falls just shy of pleading guilty isn’t likely to get the job done.
At this point, my impression is that GWU must base it’s coursework on the witness-stand dialog of the defendant from the WC Fields movie, Tillie & Gus:
“I’m a broad-minded man, gents,” says Fields, addressing the jury. “I don’t object to nine aces in one deck. But when a man lays down five aces in one hand…,” pausing to add, “and besides, I know what I dealt him!”
That sort of “defense” might play well in a comedy courtroom, however grim experience informs me that there’s a bit less humor in the real thing, especially when some crook is trying to railroad you on trumped up charges.
Turley isn’t Trump’s defense lawyer.
@ Anonymous .. . if that’s your real name.
Iirc, most of Trump’s defense lawyers are co-defendants in the latest Ga. RICO indictment.
*Trump, more than ever, urgently needs a spokesperson .. . and I nominate Turley.
… because Michael Avenatti isn’t available?
.. . because only a fool would have himself as a client.
*Turley would make a fine mediator for the president.
LOL LOL LOL!
None of the lawyer co-conspirators in the GA case have acted as defense lawyers for Trump. Simply being lawyers does not make them defense lawyers.
As I understand it, all of Trump’s lawyers are defensive .. . whether indicted or not.
You misunderstand what it means for a lawyer to be a defense lawyer.
On the contrary, I think you misunderstand what it means to be a Trump lawyer.
*afaict, Trump lawyers down in Mar a largo have to have a TS/TSC ‘Eyes Only’ security clearance just to see the evidence against Trump .. . and only then in a SCIF room.
Trump’s lawyers in the MaL documents case *are* defense lawyers, and yes, they unsurprisingly have to have a security clearance to view classified material and need to view it in a SCIF. (They do not need a security clearance or a SCIF to view unclassified evidence against Trump.)
But Trump lawyers like Ken Chesebro, John Eastman, Jenna Ellis, and Rudy Giuliani are not defense lawyers for Trump.
I would further note that as an ex[president Trump is entitled to appoint several people as his representatives and after they pass an FBI background check – which all of those you noted would and likely already have, they are entitled to access to Trump’s entire presidential Archives.
One of the allegations regarding the entire Faux MAL case is that Trump had anounced that he was going ot make Kash Patel one of his reperesentatives, and Patel ALLEGEDLY ( this did not actually happen) said that he was going to on his own make public any Collusion Dellusion documents that he beleived Trump had declassified. – and given that Trump had by executive order TWICE directed that ALL Collusion Delusion documents were declassified – and Almost none have as of yet been made public, there is good reason to Fear that Patel might have done just that – and perfectly legally.
One claim is that the whole MAL nonsense was to STOP Trump or Patel or others on Trump’s team from making public damning documents that Trump had declassified. Today the Biden DOJ/FBI/NARA are disregarding an EO that declassified those documents. And I would note that since declassification is irreversable, Biden can not rescind Trumps’ declassification EOs any more than he can change the Fact that Trump ordered the takedown of Soliamani.
Expecting reason from a Demunist is more pointless than expecting a thesis on the basic laws of physics from a squirrel.
But Turley IS pretending in large measure to defend the courts and a legal process that appears to have been devised by Lavrentiy Pavlovich Beria. What passes for legal commentary here sometimes looks like notes scavenged out of a waste-paper basket at Lawfare.
Yet.
How many oil fired power plants still exist in the US??
@ Ralph de MinimisF .. . if that’s your real name.
Trump is a scurrilous, unprincipled, self-absorbed pollywig with a ‘greed is good’ Gordon Gekko complex .. . BUT
*you can’t rob a thief.
And Roger Stone colluded with Guccifer 2.0 to affect the election via the release of the hacked materials.
As well he should have. The people deserved to know the truth of the despots they were voting for.
If the people who’s emails were hacked werent scumbags, maybe queen hillary woulda won.
Whine on smeagol, whine on!!
The voters also deserved to know how dumb those people were. Lets see, password….hmmm i think i’ll use “DNC” as my password.
Idiots
Hands back over your eyes smeagol. Good boy!
“The danger is that Democrats just might conga their way into another 2016 backlash against the establishment.”
That is where I am at.
No matter who the Republican candidate is, I am voting for that person as a FU to the establishment.
Even if it is Trump from jail.
As i allude to in another post, this is the part they dont get. Smeagol would never vote R no matter how shitty the D candidate. Yet he would condemn u for doing the same.
Professor Turley writes, “For her part, MSNBC host Andrea Mitchell took a moment to celebrate a ‘strong black woman standing up to Donald Trump,’ adding a race element to the celebratory charging moment.”
In Andrea’s case, irrational exuberance is nothing new.
The Professor is shocked by the excess. Honestly, excess is to the left what bear scat is to predators. It’s what they’re known for 🐻
“Indictment Coverage *Borders on* the Indecent” (JT headline, emphasis added)
I love that JT is an actual scholar, his principled approach to the Constitution, and his prolific output.
That said, sometimes his hedging (“borders on”?!) makes me want to pull my hair out.
“. . . a segment that began with the two liberal figures laughing joyfully . . .” (JT)
Too bad our cultural leaders are not schooled in the Classics. They might have learned a valuable lesson from the Maenads, the “raving ones” — the cult members driven by frenzied rage to destroy.
That can easily change if the 2024 election becomes another vote against the establishment as opposed to a vote for Donald Trump.
While off topic. This shines a light on the problem. We have lost the ability to address the problems, because elections are now unavailable to correct the problem. Everyone admits there was election corruption….but then qualify that as not enough to effect the outcome.
Since no examination of all the mail in, and drop boxed ballotts took place, it is impossible to make such a claim.
Several voting precincts, violated the election laws controlling the proccess. Signature verification was suspended. Those ballotts are spoiled and should not have been counted. Fulton county deleted ballott images that are required by law to be saved.The whole county should have their votes rejected.
But no judge would hear the cases, because they had no intention of enforcing the law.
Exactly how do we get back to honest transparent elections? We have to have that, it is the only solution. Even then, local prosecutors are on call to indict the next Republican that challenges the agenda pushed by Demoacrats
Agreed.
Even if they had a Permanent Voter Registration Tattoo and showing up in Person requirement, the Vote(s) would get corrupted when they are aggregated, maybe outright denied and the Winner placed/declared by an Authority. (Judge, Deep State, Media).
When the Rules are not effective, There are none. That’s where We’re at.
The subterfuge and resulting chaos of this PSYOPS operation reminds me of the fictional game of Quidditch in the Harry Potter stories. The game ensues with the chasers, the keepers and bludgers but the game is more often won when the seeker catches the elusive golden snitch.
Throughout this seemingly endless and bizarre power grabbing political game must be those who keep their eye on the ball and seek the truth, true truth and nothing but the factual objective truth.
The intended and unintended collateral damage will be significant.
Dave Skylark’sfirst rule of journalism, “Give the people what they want.”
anyone go to jail for the Russian Hoax….the Biggest Crime in US history?
It was neither a hoax nor a crime.
It was the crime of sedition, far more clearly than anything done by protestors on January 6, 2021. Multiple infractions of the law by Federal LEOs – falsifying evidence, misleading the FISA courts, with the aim of manufacturing a reason to unseeat or hamstring a duly elected president.
Nice post Smeagol. You go!
You must be the smartest person you’ve ever met!
Your uncanny ability to say it all with just one line is inspirational.
We are all so blessed to have your contribution to this board.
You can put your hands back over your eyes now. Good boy!
It was a hoax to say that Trump colluded with Russia to affect the election. By the standards of Fani Willis, RICO could apply to the leadership of the Clinton campaign, the FBI, and the DOJ, Elias, Sussman, Steele, Danchenko, Simpson and others involved in preparing the Steele dossier, Obama, Biden, Rice, Schiff, etc., for seeking to overturn the results of the 2016 election.
Manafort gave polling data to Kilimnik to affect the election.
Your judgment about the GA RICO law is different than GA’s.
Good job, Manafort!!!
“But Hillarys team didnt do nothin’ wrong”—-smeagol
Tell us the data that was illegal to give.
Leave out the words uh, uh, and uh.
You are correct. It was not either or. It was both.
Fascist Democrats will hire Leni Riefenstahl to make their propaganda items
Yet another Turley article on the Georgia indictment that fails to explain how computer trespass is “political speech.” Unlawfully accessing voter data is not speech under any definition.
Until you address this key element of the indictment, you are simply fueling the age of rage by misinforming your readers.
Computer tresspass – its only been alleged, not proven anon.
Is it TDS, or are you a student of the, gulity until proven innocent school of liberals eh?
Roll the video. Yup! They tampered with voting equipment. Next?
Ooh la, ooh la, the lap dog’s back!
It is an indictment. All of it is alleged. That’s how indictments (and our justice system writ large) work.
Turley’s article criticizes the allegations as criminalizing political speech. My post is responding to yet another article that glosses over the predicate acts giving rise to a RICO claim that have nothing to do with speech.
So, I am not sure why you are focusing in the fact that computer trespass (like every other part of the indictment) is an allegation.
To put it another way, how could an indictment state “proven” claims? It comes BEFORE a trial.
These trump sycophants cannot see due to their love of trump. For 3 years they have all been yelling about fraud in the election and all this evidence that was never allowed in court. What evidence? Show it in public if the court won’t hear it. Arizona was going to show us how trump really won Arizona. Oooops, no rice paper found, no bamboo paper found, Biden won by a bigger margin than they originally thought. Then trump was supposed to bring it all out on Monday, oooops, sorry, the dog ate the evidence, no press conference.
These trump sycophants will one day let the blinders fall and hopefully see the truth. trump cares not a nit for anyone but himself. Just send him money and he will be happy. Stop sending him money and he will call you a cad and hate your guts. Such is the life of a serial grifter.
The Republican Party died in 2015. It has been reformulated to the trump cult. Please, change the name will ya.
Please state the Trump policies you disagree with.
PS The republican party died in 2007 with the elevation of John McCain to president candidate.
The neo-cons (we all know who they are, the heirs of the bolsheviks, the warmongers, the hedge fund set) have infiltrated both parties now, which probably accounts for your love of the dems, now, and loathing of trump – you’re a neo-con. Gross.
Did I say I love the Dems? I don’t think so. Why did you make this assumption? Because I criticized trump? I agree with you, the warm mongers have infiltrated both parties.
McCain was certainly a bad candidate and indeed he loved war, as do far too many of our Reps, on both sides of the aisle.
The only trump policy I disagree with that matters was when he tried to stay in power after loosing the election. That was a gross violation of everything our democracy stands for. The people voted, they went with Biden. That is all that should matter. If you don’t like Biden’s policies, tell us what you want and let’s have a vote. No more insurrections.
Ok, maybe i assumed too much, blob. I see u are just a never trumper. Fair enough. I’m no fan either, but i get how this happened.
But the willingness to put up with corruption to have the power exists on both sides in spades. Just look at Smeagol and his denial of everything about Biden, even though there are reels of video evidence that he is a scumbag. He knows Biden is a crook, he is just hoping the clock runs our or that Joe’s plan of “plausible deniability” actually works.
More insurrections! That is what we need, not a blind acquiescence to authority.
I’ll tell you what I want: the opposite of any biden policy and executive order, any of them. Name a single one that, if overturned, would harm anyone (besides grifters and racists).
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2023/07/12/notice-on-the-continuation-of-the-national-emergency-with-respect-to-hostage-taking-and-the-wrongful-detention-of-united-states-nationals-abroad/
National Emergency declared to deal with threat to USA by hostage-taking and wrongful detention of US nationals abroad.
If overturned, would likely not be great for wrongly detained US nationals detained by terrorists abroad. I
I understand you are prone to hyperbole, but this likely takes the cake.
No response, Neil? Do you stand by your challenge? Or do you admit that it is hyperbole?
We are not a democracy.
What is it that you propose that we should do when an election is rigged ?
Bend over ?
Contra the left – at THIS moment in time, the US has a long checkered history of fraudulent elections.
At different times different losing candidates have responded to election fraud differently.
Regardless, there is no obligation for a losing candidate to accept the results.
There is not even such an obligation when there are no allegations of Fraud.
As Prof Derschowitz pointed out – these indictments would make felons of All Gore and all those who participated in his election challenge.
You can decide that you think Trump is a sore loser – if you do not think the evidence of fraud is compelling.
But pretending that challenging an election is criminal is the ACTUAL end of “the republic”.
And if lying in an election is a crime – why isn’t Joe Biden in Jail now ?
Even Jake Tapper has finally had to concede – Trump was telling the truth in the debate and Biden was lying through his teeth.
What is your Standard of conduct – Democrats can do whatever they want and Republicans can’t ?
Or you can only do immoral things to change the outcome of an election BEFORE the election ?
If you get away with lying through your teeth, if the press protects your lie, if social media protects your lie, if the FBI protects your lie, if former US intelligence experts protect your lie – that is all perfectly OK – that is not election fraud,
But failing to smile and conceed when your oponent, the press, social media and your own DHS/FBI/DOJ/CIA conspired to get the other guy elected – that is your idea of a crime ?
Nor have I addressed the ubelievable lawlessness of the 2020 election and the massive Covid lies that lawlessness used as a justification. Nor the massive ballot harvesting. Nor the mountains of other evidence of Fraud.
You do know that in AZ Trump lost by 11,000 votes, yet the AZ audit found that 13,000 people voted just under 50,000 times ?
We do not know WHO they voted for – but we do know without any doubt this was fraud.
And the LEAST bad fraud would be if each of those people chose to vote 3+ times.
The more serious and likely possibility is that The voter registration recordes were used to find hundreds of thousands of people who were registered by unlikely to vote and to fill out mailin ballots for them, and hope that not many of them actually showed up to vote.
The people did vote. They voted in ways that most of this country has never allowed. They voted from their couch, they voted having been deceived by the mdeia, social media, one of the candidates – that is not all that abnormal, but alsol by their own government, by the FBI the CIA, the DHS, the DOJ and on and on.
The people voted the way they do in Russia, or banana republics.
The voted much as they have not done in this country since the 19th century, with employers, government, political machines peering over their shoulder to be sure they voted the right way.
They voted in ways that this government protests vehemently as undemocratic when it occurs in other countries.
Worse still – those telling us that we must trust all of this are the same people who have lied to us at every oportunity.
We are being told to Trust the election – by the same DOJ/FBI/CIA/Courts that told us that Trump was a russian agent.
We are being told to trust the election by the same media, and social media tha t thought wew were all too stupid to know the truth about the collusion delusion. But the same people that were to stupid themselves to grasp the truth – which frankly was obvious to anyone with half a brain.
We are told to trust the election by the same people who told us that we could not trust the 2016 election.
We are told to trust the election by a party that only trusts elections they win.
We are told to trust the election by a party that trusts every election they win – no matter how abysmally badly it is conducted.
We are told to trust the election by those who weaponized law enforcement to go aftert their political oponents
IN 2016. And continue to do so now.
We are told to trust the election by those who absolutely refuse every effort to make elections transparent and trustworthy.
And you are surprised that so many people do not trust the election ?
The real question is why does anyone trust US elections anymore.
When the people – Like you who are telling us all to trust the election – have themselves established a record for actually being trustworthy.
When you are not either lying to us at every step of the way. Why you are not lying constantly getting caught, suffering no consequence at all, and repeating the process all over, When you are not using the power you obtained through deciept – not to win the next election by doing a good job, but by destroying your political oponent – when you have given us the slightest reason to trust you – THEN and only then do you get to SUGUEST that we should trust the election.
The problem is NOT with the Voters. It is with the LIARS.
I beleive it was Stalin who said “It is not who votes that matters, it is who counts the vote”.
Trust in government, in our institutions is not merely at an all time low, it is in absolutely abysmal territory.
It is at levels where our government and our institutions do not have legitimacy – and that is very dangerous.
And that is the consequence of all the LIES.
We have heard from those like you for 6 years that Trump is a LIAR. Yet, over and over and over again those caught lying, those caught breaking norms, breaking laws, violating the public trust – are those like you saying “Trust us”.
Guess what – we don’t.
Nor are you going to have our trust anytime soon.
The question for 2024 is not will Trump beat Biden. It is not even whether the election will be honest.
The only question is whether enough people are finally sick enough with your lies to toss you out of power DESPITE the fraud and lies you engage in.
I am perfectly willing to Trust the voters in an election. When you quit doing everything in your power – and especially using the institutions of our media and government to lie to them.
When YOU are willing to trust voters enough that YOU quit lying to them.
When YOU understand that Voters and ballots are not the same thing.
I trust a voter who was willing to go to the polls on election day, provide ID proving their right to vote, Who votes privately in a voting booth uninfluenced by friends and relatives and children and parents and spouses and party hacks, who can not be threatened or induced to get their vote. Whose ballot never left the precinct they voted in, whose ballot was not handled by an army of people with the openly avowed interest of defeating one candidate by any means necessary.
When ballots are counted. openly in public at the precinct in which they are cast.
We have LOTS of experience throughout the world and in this country – past and present as to what happens when those conditions are not present.
The Brenanan center is generally correct that election fraud is rare. Though far less rare than it claims. Regardless, we KNOW from history that election fraud is only rare when it is difficult to pull off and likely to get caught.
38 states in the US have secret ballot provisions in their state constitutions because of the massive fraud that occured in the US before secret ballots.
In the highly unlikely even that 2020 was not the most fraud ridden election in my lifetime, if the changes to our elections that occured in 2020 remain in place – massive election fraud is inevitable.
There is good reason for the transparency and election process that you so casually discarded – using another BIG LIE – Covid as an excuse. The overwhelming majority of people are honest, and will not cheat. But there are some people who will only behave honestly where if they do not they are likely to get caught and if they are caught there will be consequences.
That is not merely a guide for elections – that is the the foundation of the social contract. that is the entire justification for government.
If everyone could be trusted to always do what was right, when there were no consequences when they did not – we would not need govenrment at all.
There is no difference between election fraud and murder. A few people will commit murder no matter what. More will do so if they can get away with it. Most will not.
We saw massive increases in violent crime in the US when YOU sent the message that law enforcement was not important.
Why do you think that elections would be different ?
And why should anyone trust you ?
What have you been right about ?
Cheating isn’t winning, Cletus. There is no evidence that the election was stolen for exactly the same reason that there is no evidence Biden won – the legally required evidence was destroyed or never collected. That alone renders the 2020 election invalid.
Blob
You and your type will never get it,
You are too self absorbed and hell bent on getting your way, that you don’t get how/why trump came to be. The reason these people won’t let go is because of the actions of the left. They got fed up with having the country run by a small but vocal minority. Ruling by edict was introduced by Obama. If he could ram it thru congress, he did. If he couldnt, he did it by EO.
My god man, you wanna talk about brainwashed? You people have actually convinced half the country that a person can change their “gender”. If you dont need a vagina to be a woman, then wtf is there “gender affirming” surgery?
So yea, people are pissed and they latched into the first person who was bold enough to say the obvious out loud.
Stop whining about it. You got what you asked for.
Absolutely correct. Men in womanface are still men.
Bob, you are like a horse with blinders. You can’t see anywhere except where your masters force you to look. As soon as you realize you are a horse, you will realize you are too blinded to know what you are talking about.
What evidence? Show it in public if the court won’t hear it.
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Those commenting on the evidence of fraud have posted the information here several times over the past two plus years. Each time, those such as you discount the source and the evidence, and do the equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears while covering your eyes, and refuse to read any of the sources provided. Much the same as the corporate media has done. The media states the election fraud has been “debunked” while failing to admit that courts have refused to even look at the evidence having dismissed any court cases before it reaches discovery.
Perhaps you haven’t been paying attention to all of the cases. For ex., the court looked at the evidence when determining whether to suspend Giuliani’s license. And they concluded that there was no good evidence of fraud sufficient to change the election’s outcome.
And yet they acknowledged fraud.
The election was not stolen in only one way. It was stolen in thousands of ways. Several of those ways (i.e. illegal conspiracy to censor the Hunter laptop info) were more than sufficient to change the outcome – together, it may well be that Trump not only won the Electoral vote, but even the popular vote.
“What evidence?”
There is literally no evidence the election was legitimate. This alone renders it illegitimate under our Constitution (Article IV Section 4), it’s only guarantee.
No guarantee may be said to have been met without tangible proof. There is none. Our government is completely illegitimate now.
What evidence ?
Are you alive ?
We are way past evidence of election rigging, it is now an established FACT.
DOJ/DHS/FBI/CIA and other alphabet agencies coerced the political censorship of the truth during an election.
That is Fraud, that is election rigging. And that is a FACT that is beyond despute.
And that FACT required years to pry out – despite most people pretty much knowing it occured.
It required amulti-billionaire to buy a social media company and give honest journalists access to internal communications. It required multiple year legal battles AGAINST the US government to pry out further proof.
Regardless those like you are worse than Thomas, You would not beleive the truth if it slapped you in the face.
You were presented with evidence that the Biden’s were corrupt in 2015 – and most of you are STILL denying it.
You were presented with evidence that the Collusion Delusion was a stupid hoax in 2016 – and many of you STILL do not accept the fact that Trump did not collude with Russians – Clinton did.
For the better part of 4 years we had something that has never happened in this country before – Federal law enforcement and much of the federal executive unconstitutionally investigating a sitting president without any foundation for doing so. Entirely because they did not like his politics.
And they continue to do so through today.
You wonder why so many do not trust the DOJ or FBI or CIA or … ?
Because these are many of the same people who were part of crossfire huricane or the Mueller team that unconstitutionally weaponized law enforcement politically.
Why should we beleive anything has changed ?
Were there consequences for the unconstitutional criminal conduct in Crossfire Huricane ?
Were there consequences for a Special Counsel investigating a crime that they KNEW fromt he start was a hoax ?
You have been lied to repeatedly, you have spread those lies, and you have not even recognized your own error, or that you can not trust those who lied to you repeatedly.
And you are insisting that I should trust you ? About anything ?
If voting was conditioned on being right occasionally – you would not be allowed to vote.
Election theft was already proven both in and out of court. You just won’t find it on MSNBC.
Cry harder. This will go down as our first illegitimate administration, our first puppet leader; our first truly criminal leader; and our worst leader in history.
The only relevant “predicate act” was the theft of the election.
Not only is it merely alleged but if it is proven and falls within a criminal statute responsibility rests with the person who committed the acts not others allegedly linked to them through a tenuous RICO charge.
That is not how RICO law works.
“It shall be unlawful for any person employed by or associated with any enterprise to conduct or participate in, directly or indirectly, such enterprise through a pattern of racketeering activity.”
https://law.justia.com/codes/georgia/2021/title-16/chapter-14/section-16-14-4/
There is no requirement that the person must commit the underlying act. Do you have a cite to back up your claim?
“That is not how RICO law works.”
A RICO charge for computer trespass?!
The Left has lost its mind. And its mindlessness is transforming America into a country of men, not of laws.
Why, though?
RICO law in Georgia was defined very broadly: “It shall be unlawful for any person, through a pattern of racketeering activity or proceeds derived therefrom, to acquire or maintain, directly or indirectly, any interest in or control of any enterprise, real property, or personal property of any nature, including money.”
Computers are PERSONAL PROPERTY last time I checked. Data located on a computer is an INTEREST IN PERSONAL PROPERTY.
Why are digital assets of lesser value than, say, bootleg liquor, or drugs?
Voter data, including the personal information located on it, is EXTREMELY valuable. Not to mention its importance in ensuring our democratic system.
Also, THIS is the law. Not prosecuting the law would be politically motivated non-enforcement, which Turley railed about earlier with BLM. If Fani Willis did not use the law to prosecute a RICO charge involving computer trespass here, that prosecutorial discretion would “transforms America into a country of men, not laws.”
I would love to hear how using the law as CLEARLY DRAFTED is somehow turning American into lawlessness. That is patently absurd to the point of drivel. But perhaps you don’t care about what the law actually says? You just care about your “Team”? Is that what this is really about?
Speaking of “drivel:”
“Computers are PERSONAL PROPERTY . . .”
You might want to check the difference between government computers and personal ones. And the data on those *government * computers is not “personal property.”
By the way, Georgia’s GOP – run legislature specifically added computer crimes to the RICO law decades ago
So, why do you think it is the Left’s fault? Is it because you haven’t actually looked at the Georgia RICO statute and are therefore making ill-informed claims based on emotion rather than fact?
“So, why do you think it is the Left’s fault? “
One doesn’t have to read anything. All one has to do is look at ATS’s responses and say the opposite. Look back and you will find ATS was wrong almost all the time.
Smeagol
There is no evidence of this.
Easy.
” through a pattern of racketeering activity.”
ATS, you always look for things that aren’t clear and deceptively expand them. If one school girl walking to school quietly keys a car, you would arrest all the girls and put them in jail for racketeering.
The words, pattern of racketeering activity are so vague the law should be void and rewritten. You don’t care because all you wish to do is make all laws worthless to cause anarchy so you push your Stalinist-like ideology on everyone else.
Everyone should know this about you. You use the law to destroy the law and destroy the nation. You learned Alinsky very well, so others should take note and recognize anything you say is likely to be an abomination.
If you don’t want to be subject to a RICO charge, don’t conspire with others.
Like Hillary conspired on the Russian hoax, and in particular, the alpha bank hoax?
Let me save u the trouble Smeagol.
“Hillary was never indicted. If you have additional evidence, by all means, turn it over to law enforcement”. —-Smeagol
This doesn’t sound like ATS, so likely will be erased. The word conspired is vague. You conspire with a lot of people. We should lock you up forever.
The legal term is not vague.
Conspire is not the same as conspiracy.
Computer Trespass? “What? Like with a black sweater and flashlight or something?” she asked, then laughed. “I don’t know how it works digitally at all.”
If you are trying to make a comparison to Hillary Clinton, the irony is your quote seemingly demonstrates the lack of mens rea required for the crime.
Generally, computer trespass require
willfully accessing or causing to be accessed a computer, computer program, computer network, or any part thereof for fraudulent purposes or for the purpose of obtaining property or services by means of false pretenses.
If you have nonpublic information that would meet the elements needed for the crime, then please provide that information to law enforcement.
If you don’t, then why are you bringing this up?
“If you don’t, then why are you bringing this up?”
“I am Smeagol! You must have all of your posts approved by me before posting. And i decide what you are allowed to state here and what you must instead turn over to law enforcement.”—-ATS
Smeagol
There is absolutely ZERO evidence of a crime.
See how easy that is?!
Good boy!
I am not sure the purpose of your comment. I am not Fani Willis. Whether there is sufficient evidence of the allegations is for the Georgia courts to decide. From the public information available, it certainly seems like the evidence needed may be available.
Regardless, the original post to which you responded criticizes Turley’s failure to acknowledge that there are serious allegations that have nothing to do with speech. RICO only needs 2 predicate acts.
I don’t understand why posters respond to a comment by saying something completely irrelevant to the point of the original post. But perhaps I expect a reading comprehension standard that is not met by many on this blog.
Tom is a troll. He responded in the way that he did because he gets off on trolling. His self-admitted goal is to harass liberal commenters so they’ll leave.
Understood. I am not really a liberal commenter, though, unless you mean in the classical sense. I have voted in four elections, twice for the GOP and twice for the Democrats, as a socially liberal, fiscally conservative voter with no party.
More importantly, I voted in Georgia for the 2020 election and would appreciate it if my vote wasn’t nullified. I also care about the US maintaining a secure voting system. If Biden had tried to break into computers with voter data at a county’s local elections office, I would be equally upset.
“Understood. I am not really a liberal commenter,”
Then you might want to use a moniker to differentiate yourself from the likes of Smeagol.
You see, he is wrong again. If i know its not him, dennis, or gigi, i wont crap on your posts.
I dont troll the “liberal commenters”, just the real trolls here.
And i dont troll smeagle just because he is a troll. I do it because he is a self righteous, arrogant, whiny a$$ little beotch. (But i would never call him that so he dont go crying to darren)
Well said sir
And i have all the time in the world. But i dont get paid for this, i do it for the pure enjoyment.
Keep making it easy for me though Smeagol.
“I dont understand why posters dont post exactly the post i want them to post”—-Anonymous
That reads like something Dennis would be demanding of the good professor.
“computer trespass”
A 98-page indictment against 19 people, for an allegation of computer trespass?!
Nobody is that naïve.
(Spare yourself the “conspiracy” nonsense. The attempt to use “computer trespass” to rationalize a “conspiracy” charge, gives bootstrapping a bad name.)
When computer trespass involves unlawfully accessing voter data, I wouldn’t put a page limit on reasonableness with respect to the length of an indictment.
Do you not care about the integrity of our voting system? One of these 19 people – Misty Hampton – shared a video, which showed a password to the county’s election management system server on a sticky note. A local news outlet uploaded the video to YouTube, where it racked up over a quarter of a million views.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46CAKyyObls
If you think Ms. Hampton’s actions should not be prosecuted, then we must value security with respect to voter data very differently. If that makes me, naive, then so be it.
A video of a sticky note is not a crime.
Leaving passwords to government computers on a sticky note is.
Cry harder.
Sam did you watch the video? Is that lack of election security something you support? Do you care about the integrity of our elections?
If the left supported election security they would be reducing all these alternate ways of voting and have people cast their votes on the same day in their own precinct. Why do you lie so much?
Another deranged admirer of Beria.
I spent the hours after the fourth indictment was announced watching the Fox News coverage. Because of the late hour, it was just the B & C team but the preplanned coverage was clear. Proclaim Trump’s innocence, no matter the charges call it taking his first amendment rights, attack the prosecutor, call the state charges a Biden DOJ attack. By the next day, the A team including Turley joined in. Take that plank out of your eye, Jonathan. Because of you and yours. The grand jury members in Georgia have been targeted. A Texas woman has been arrested for her death threats against Judge Chutkan, and a Black legislator. The judges and DOJ members are getting death threats, and you are upset about people laughing about Trump. Like people said before January 6th, somebody is going to end up dead, and they won’t be dying from laughter.
This is the dem playbook:
1. Do something stupid
2. Get mocked or attacked for it (or smollett it, if needed)
3. Pretend the mocking or attacks are the problem
Love it!
I hope Smeagol doesn’t report you for this one….
You are, of course, entitled to your opinion that Turley’s legal analysis is wrong. But to suggest Turley, and Fox, are somehow complicit in the unlawful conduct of others is disingenuous and sleazy.
Turley has no control over how people respond to his legal opinion. They have free will. They make their own life choices.
Want me to prove it? OK.
You acknowledge you watched Fox’s coverage of the legal indictment and Turley’s comments. Yet somehow neither Fox’s coverage nor Turley’s comments caused YOU to engage in threats. Why is that? How can it be that if Turley and Fox cause people to issue threats then why did you not make threats after being exposed to their opinions?
I proved that you have free will. You now understand that you alone are responsible for your own conduct. You did not make threats after watching Fox and hearing Turley’s legal opinion.
That you think you can transfer responsibility to Turley, or Fox, for the bad choices made by those making threats is why you are engaging in sleazy, Natacha-like rhetoric meant to smear Turley and Fox.
Up your game.
“That you think you can transfer responsibility to . . .”
Well said.
Turley offers far more than a “legal opinion,” he misleads and misdirects people as to what the issues are, e.g. farming Trump’s indictments as solely a First Amendment issue and suggesting he’s being persecuted unfairly. Yes, I watched and excercised my free will to not respond violently. I imagine a relatively small percentage of people will react violently, yet people have died with more to come. Trump has blood on his hands for January 6th, yes Turley is milder, het he gives credence to those who believe Trump is being unfairly prosecuted and should be defended at all costs. Read the comments on Turley’s blog, there are people here that at least talk about being ready for violence, that rage Turley always talks about is present right here but nobody seems to notice.
Of course people are ready for violence.
When woke leftists tells us they are willing to commit violence as means to shut people up, I believe them.
When woke leftists display their willingness to commit acts of violence during the fiery but mostly peaceful 2020 Summer of Love were we saw them burn down businesses assault and even murder people, injure LEOs, I believe them.
It is only prudent to expect them to do more of the same as they have displayed their willingness in the near future.
It is not like the good professor is the only one pointing woke leftist tendency for violence. Plenty of other independent media sites are also reporting on it.
As I have stated on the good professor’s blog more than a few times, a civil war must be avoided at all costs.
But dont think for a moment if such an event comes to pass I am just going to sit by and let the woke leftists burn down my community or my home.
Then you’ll agree with me that violence is a possibility based on what you’ve been led to believe.
No. I do not agree with you. That is NOT what I have been led to believe.
My analysis and conclusions based off the facts your leftists friends have stated they will commit violence to shut others up.
And the facts your leftists friends, dressed in black block, assaulted LEOs and Feds with bricks, rocks, frozen water bottles, fireworks, lasers, molotov cocktails and multiple attempts to set federal buildings fire in Portland OR for 100+ days. Those same people have assaulted people on the streets for no good reason. They have used pepper spray on counter protesters who did nothing other than stand there with some signs.
Yes, I do believe they will commit violence in the future based off the facts they already have. No one led me to that conclusion other than your leftists friends by their own words and actions.
I’m not saying you have done this, but look how many of you call Black Lives Matter members, rioters, and continually link them to ANTIFA when I see no evidence they are linked. It’s true that ANTIFA and other groups have showed up at protests linked to causes supported by Black Lives Matter, but so have members of the Proud Boys, Boogaloo Bois and Oath Keepers. Almost all of the violence associated with the so-called Summer of Love was committed by white people. Please point to the arrests of Black Lives Matter leaders and members dressed in anything for violent activities.
Your concern for attacks on LEO’s is nice, if you also acknowledge the attacks that took place on Jan 6th and otherwise by right wing groups.
BLM has been violent and some of their violence is tied to Antifa violence. The founding leaders are corrupt and intimidations seems to be part of their way of life.
BLM Rioter Found Guilty of Murdering Black Missouri Police Captain
https://news.yahoo.com/blm-rioter-found-guilty-murdering-123728631.html
Minneapolis Mom Confronts BLM Protesters after Apartment Shooting: ‘Not a George Floyd Situation’
Black Lives Matter Leaders Threaten Violence if NYC Mayor Reestablishes Anti-Crime NYPD Units
You are making my points for me, the National Review point’s to the “racial riots in 2020” in which almost everyone involved was white. They claim the alleged shooter was a BLM rioter without tying him to BLM. The narrative is being created and repeated with no proof. The story about BLM leaders threatening violence is another National Review story citing BLM leaders not associated with the national organization. The leaders of the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers committed sedition and conspired to overthrow an election. BLM is the opposite of what you claim.
Black Lives Matter of Greater New York
“The organization is not affiliated with the official Black Lives Matter (BLM) movement and instead operates as an independent path from the national movement. Its leaders have been frequently profiled in the media and have reached out to constituencies as different as supporters of President Donald Trump1 to chapters of the far-left Democratic Socialists of America.”
Enigma, you deflect talking about other groups like the Proud Boys, instead of discussing BLM’s culpability in rioting, murder, corruption, etc. To you, everyone outside of BLM is white. You bring up the Proud Boys as an example. Do you think the ex-leader Enrique Tarrio is white, not Latino, or is that part of your war against anyone not black? If you wish you can consider everyone white, even yourself because the difference is in meaningless melanin production.
I provided you with information. In the past, we saw looting where the percentage of blacks was far higher than whites. We can use crime and murder statistics to show the same thing. All sorts of metrics show black people in a bad light which is regrettable since my experience is positive, but I don’t associate with thugs and criminals, no matter their color.
You prefer to hide the problems in that community which hurts wonderful productive Americans. It seems you favor the criminal class. You want to support abusive people and those that bend the laws of society. I don’t know why you wish to do these harmful things, especially since, from what we can see, you have a good life. You are destroying good people with your rhetoric and support. You should stop.
It’s you that’s deflecting, Black Lives Matter isn’t the violent organization you and others keep claiming. My point about the Proud Boys and others is that their leaders are either in or going to jail for violent acts. You can’t say the same about BLM.
I don’t expect you to believe the truth because you want to see BLM as peaceful and productive. You do not wish to see corruption, intimidation, and criminality. That is fine with me. You can continue to refuse a careful look at the present. Your existence is looking in a rearview mirror.
Keep looking backward. That way, poor black kids will not receive a good education and die from drugs or violence. You can say that slavery and racism were the cause. To you, it is a good excuse, but to me, that excuse doesn’t hold any water.
Deflecting again, you cant find examples of the organization being or promoting violence, just people like you saying so,
It might be beyond your understanding, but organizations don’t riot, steal or kill. People do. You hide behind the amorphous nature of BLM, but we saw what their leaders did, we saw those who said they were part of BLM, and we saw them intimidating people. If the organization stays silent about those using their name when acting criminally, they must take responsibility.
“If the organization stays silent about those using their name when acting criminally, they must take responsibility.”
You must mean the Republican Party
You can cast aspersions onto both parties and I won’t disagree. However, in recent times the Democrat Party has been far worse than the Republican Party. Democrats now believe color is more important than merit. I guess, you must feel that way as well. It’s a lousy excuse for those that are failures.
Maybe this is your admission that BLM is corrupt and responsible for criminal activity. If so, congratulations.
Show me where I ever mentioned BLM?
I did not.
Your attempt to put words in my mouth is a failure.
I said leftists. If you associate BLM with leftists, that is your problem. For that matter, BLM never even entered into my mind.
And yes, who did enter my mind, white leftists and antifa.
Were there blacks involved in the Summer of Love? Yes. I think most of them were opportunists.
Methinks you doth protest too much. I specifically excluded you from having said it, I didn’t put words in your mouth. I’ll await your apology.
enigmainblackcom says:August 18, 2023 at 6:37 PM
I’m not saying you have done this, but look how many of you call Black Lives Matter members, rioters, and continually link them to ANTIFA when I see no evidence they are linked. It’s true that ANTIFA and other groups have showed up at protests linked to causes supported by Black Lives Matter, but so have members of the Proud Boys, Boogaloo Bois and Oath Keepers. Almost all of the violence associated with the so-called Summer of Love was committed by white people. Please point to the arrests of Black Lives Matter leaders and members dressed in anything for violent activities.
Your concern for attacks on LEO’s is nice, if you also acknowledge the attacks that took place on Jan 6th and otherwise by right wing groups.
“Then you’ll agree with me that violence is a possibility . . .”
More than that. It’s real. See the “Summer of Love.”
“See the “Summer of Love.”
Mostly white-on-white crime.
Turley likely doesn’t read the comments. If he did, he might understand how dangerous it is to mislead his readers. They think things like — “All Trump did was REQUEST new electors. That’s FREE SPEECH.” Except, neither statement is true.
Bug agrees with you, therefore you mjust be right. Good boy, Smeagol!
How many died on Jan 6 and how many died in the summer of love???
“I’m declaring myself king. You are now all my subjects. You must bow down in my presence, and subordinate yourself to my rule, however whimsical or impulsive. If you defy my power, I am working with an underground murder-for-hire gang, and you will simply be eliminated without any trace of who dunnit — these are professionals who are invisible and never get caught.”
“My freedom of speech under the 1st Amendment as interpreted generously by Jonathan Turley protects today’s declaration of kingdom, and associated new rules of dominance-submission you must obey. These are my sincere thoughts (“I’m now your king”) — and what is freedom of thought if I cannot act consistent with my beliefs?”
WHO are you quoting?
Hillary Clinton?
Sounds like something she would say.
Well-written and very alarming. The Democrat Party is hell-bent on destroying “our democracy while its true believers, brainwashed by the media, embarrass themselves and the country by supporting a dictatorship.
Please, we Dems are not trying to destroy our democracy. The laws of this nation and its respective states are being enforced. Btw, from what law school did you receive your diploma?
Wally, dozens of election laws were violated. No judge would take the cases, because the only relief was throwing out the votes of whole cities.
Chain of custody
Signature verification. (some places were verifying 3 signatures a second)
Security of ballotts
etc.
Lots of laws are being broken
Which is to say, if you didnt go to law school, you can’t trust your lying eyes.
Good one wally the lap dog!
You’re not as brilliant as Smeagol, but you really know how to win friends and influence people!!
Wally, can we enforce the laws to everyone? I keep hearing dims say no one is above the law. I know I shouldn’t believe my lying eyes.
What law do you think is not being enforced, and who is the alleged criminal? (I can think of a few, like jaywalking laws, that are seldom enforced, but I doubt that’s what you’re talking about.)
If you are so pro-democracy, then why do you push so hard for censorship? Why are you so pro-weaponization of various institutions to go after your opposition? Why do you demand loyalty pledges for DEI and those who refuse you want them fired and canceled? Why are you so anti-voter integrity?
“… In both the indictments by Special Counsel Jack Smith and Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis, the prosecutors simply declare that Trump and his team knew that there was no voting fraud …” SO what, Biden took the Office of the President anyway. Kinda Moot for Me.
So the Democrats have now proved that they have “Officially Voted In A Crook and His Son”, par excellent.
Putin to American prosecutors; “Well done.”
I think that Xi must be pretty happy as well.
He’d be even happier if Trump is reelected.
Really?
Dont you recall all those tariffs Trump put up against China? The “Economic War!” MSM was crying about.
Ask Gigi. She will tell you all about it.
Is Professor Turley’s real concern that Trump will ride the tidal wave of rage to another stunning victory? If y’all Democrats had a decent candidate, none of this would be necessary. As it is, TRUMP 2024.
There core problem the establishment is facing isn’t the lack of a candidate, it is the revelation of the masses to its message.
You can only fool the people and hide the message of rot behind caricatures for so long.
This is also why the left fights Trump and not his message. Lefties need the confirmation bias confirming attacks on Trump the person because it addles their understanding that his message is wildly popular and theirs sucks.
Neil, well stated. My never Trump friends NEVER ONCE take exception to any policy past or future Trump promotes. The uniparty and their surrogates/ masters cannot allow an outsider who represents the people the keys to power. Unless we really fix our voting system, we sink further into a fascist country. We simply cannot overcome the steal in 2024 without real reform
Neil,
Well said.
It is also fighting against what the woke leftists are. They are for censorship. They are for corruption as long as it is theirs. They are for pornography in elementary schools. They are for sexualization of children. They are for loyalty pledges for DEI. They are for discrimination. They are for anti-womens rights. They are against voter integrity laws.
And that is just the short list.
We have to fight against that kind of agenda if we want to save this country.
Back in 2015/16 people were screaming to indict Hillary Clinton for her influence peddling, maintaining a private server and the destruction of classified evidence that had been subpoenaed. I voiced my opinion that we should not charge her. I said that not because she was a senator or the Secretary of State but because she had been a First Lady and we do not prosecute former presidents and their wives as a matter of course. It degrades us as a country to do that because only third world countries do that to their political enemies. I said that knowing that the Clinton’s are major criminals as measured by their influence peddling. Now all these years later the other side is doing this thing on steroids and with a measure of glee that is indecent. This is the end of our once proud country as we knew it. It is that significant.
“It degrades us as a country to do that because only third world countries do that to their political enemies.”
What bunk.
It doesn’t degrade us, and a number of first world countries have done the same. Not doing so when warranted is an indicator of corruption.
Yet the Biden’s walk free! I guess only Trump is an indicator of corruption. Who’s going to stand up for you when they come after you?
The corruption you speak of is long upon us – that is why Hillary Clinton was not prosecuted, why the Feds slow-walked the investigation of Hunter Biden so as to run our the statute of limitations on some charges and attempt to slip by a sharp judge a ridiculous plea-and-diversion scheme. Why Bill Barr (swamp creature to the marrow) refused to prosecue any of those Federal LEOs whose lawbreaking in connection with the risible and disgraceful “Russiagate” was manifest and whim had been referred for prosecution.
Laws unevenly applied results in contempt for the law. We see that in the recent and continuing crime waves – those who know they will get off scott-free have no incentive – other than what appear to be non-existent consciences – to behave with rectitude. Same goes, now, for Democrats – but not Republicans or others even slightly to the right of the lefty extremism du jour.
This also degrades the nation, making it no longer a nation of laws, but of mens’ whims and prejudices.
Smeagol
I dont understand. U should like bunk. Its somewhere you can lie down while you cover your eyes, and that way not stump your toes.
Just looking out, cuz i know you’re sensitive.
Yay.
The Clintons and Bidens have gotten the US to banana republic status.
I was so excited, trump was going to show us all the evidence of election interference. Yea, I knew the evidence was out there somewhere. Turns out it was under trumps bed all this time. Then…whooooosh, no more press conference, what happened to the evidence? did the dog eat it?
There can be no doubt that Hillary knew that the Russia collusion story was a hoax. She and her lawyer created it.
And both lied about it.