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“Where’s My Weapon?” Florida Man Hit With Multiple Charges After Full Monty

Drunk Florida man exposes himself to officers

 

There was a bizarre arrest in Palm Coast, Florida, where Shawn Madden, 40, proved that he was no threat by stripping naked and asking “where’s my weapon?” There is ample evidence to support charges of disorderly conduct and exposure in the video below. However, a couple of the charges are as baffling as Madden’s full Monty performance.

Madden was allegedly yelling at people when police arrived and began to unload on the officers.  On the videotape, Madden is heard yelling “Let’s go! Let’s go! I’m swinging on everybody. I’m swinging on everybody.”

Later, he seems to assume the posture of a man misunderstood, asking “What did I f**king do? I ain’t brandishing sh*t.” He then dropped his pants and exposed himself while asking repeatedly “Where’s my weapon?”

Among the charges are assault on an officer and resisting an officer without violence — a charge that I have long criticized (here and here). It is a charge that often defies definition. It can be used when no other charge is available to justify an arrest. It is often based on a suspect merely disagreeing with an officer on the basis for an arrest or alleging abusive conduct by officers. To answer Madden’s question, he does not need a weapon or even physical resistance to be charged with this crime.

In a prior Florida case, a man was arrested for walking on the wrong side of the street (even though the officer could not remember which side he was walking on) and resisting without violence. The suspect, who was black, was punched in the face by the officer and later sued. The case was troubling not only due to alleged racial elements but also the use of two charges that served to legitimate the stop and striking of the suspect.

In this case, there was ample basis for the arrest. The use of the resisting without violence charge seems superfluous and unnecessary. It is often used to count stack to force a plea.

115 thoughts on ““Where’s My Weapon?” Florida Man Hit With Multiple Charges After Full Monty”

    1. Nerd, the headline identifies this cameraman as a FREELANCER. So he’s NOT an employee. He’s probably never been to New York.

  3. Jonathan: I am ashamed. As a retired attorney I am ashamed that so many lawyers were part of DJT’s conspiracy to overturn the 2020 election. I am ashamed these same attorneys took an oath to protect the Constitutional order and then turned their backs on that oath. I graduated from law school about the time of the Watergate hearings when John Dean testified and asked the Q: “How in God’s name could so many lawyers get involved in something like this?” I ask the same Q today about all the lawyers who willingly joined DJT’s narcissistic cult of personality.

    Now we have lawyers like Sidney Powell, Ken Chesebro and Jenna Ellis who have been forced to plead guilty to crimes, admitted they lied about the 2020 election and violated their duty to abide by the ethics rules they promised to follow. They have lost whatever good name they had and will probably lose their law licenses. That is something no lawyer wants to face.

    Other co-defendants in the conspiracy to overturn the Georgia election are also lawyers–Rudy Giuliani, John Eastman and Jeff Clark. They were at the center of DJT’s conspiracy. They have yet to join the other three in seeking plea deals. No doubt one or more will decide it’s time to stop pretending. But if they don’t they know they are facing long prison sentences for their roles in trying to overturn the election results in Georgia.

    This is why I am ashamed of some in my chosen profession.

    2. Dennis McIntyre always turns every subject to Trump. This is his go to subject whenever he has nothing else of interest to say. Like a clanging cymbal blowing in the wind that irritates everyone within earshot. No nuance, no originality, no vocabulary and everything he says disappears in the passing of one minuscule bit of time in the totality of history. You can sense the obsessed anxiety.

        1. Because his views and yours are vile and dangerous – as we see.

          Even King George did not treat colonial lawyers they way you would people who take positions you do not like.

          1. “Because his views and yours are vile and dangerous – as we see”

            More like rational and to the point. The truth is often ugly to those in denial.

            1. What truth ?

              The core of DM’s argument is orange man bad and anyone who defends him is also bad.

              Are you so intellectually challenged that you can not see the trivial consequences of DM’s position ?

              Accept DM’s proposition – and no one accused of anything by the government would be entitled to a lawyer.
              And no lawyer would ever be allowed to challenge government. \

              But DM’s position is not even that narrow – no one would be allowed to challenge government on ANYTHING without risking criminal prosecutions.

              All protest would be illegal.

              There is not even a slippery slope here – this position falls off the cliff into an evil abyss instantly.

            2. What truth ?

              What have those of you on the left been truthful about in decades ?
              You have lied about the collusion delusion.
              You have lied about Covid.
              You have lied about the Biden investigations.
              You have lied about censorship.

              What HAVEN’T you lied about ?

              Why should anyone beleive you about ANYTHING much less the election ?

        2. David,

          Thinkthrough is Estovir, James, Upstate Farmer, Iowa 2, Shakdi, N.N., Ralph DeMimus, Ralph Chappell, Old Man From Kansas, Guy Ventner, Edward Mahl, Margot Ballhere, Mistress Addams, and endless one-day puppets.

          1. I am looking forward to seeing you this evening at the West Hollywood bathhouse. I have a double size room with a sling just for you

            xoxox

          3. Likely an idiotic troll hoping for the point that “they all agree”, yet I do believe you are too stupid to notice writing styles and their personalities, so maybe you are serious, and thus, seriously low IQ.

      2. And he is so deranged by Trump that he would burn all our laws, traditions, institutions and constitution to ash in order to “get Trump”

    3. “DJT’s conspiracy to overturn the 2020 election.”

      – Dennis the Dumb—
      ________________________

      Did Dennis the Dumb— say “Overturn the…election?”
      __________________________________________________________

      “Russia, Russia, Russia!”

      Hillary, who did her best to “overturn the election” post-2016, sews the seeds of the prodigious, historical, egregious, and continuing Obama Coup D’etat in America.

      Have Hillary and Obama been indicted and prosecuted for their crimes of subversion and insurrection against the U.S. government during the Donald J. Trump Presidency?

      “Russia, Russia, Russia!
      _________________________

      “Clinton opens door to questioning legitimacy of 2016 election”

      Updated 11:07 PM EDT, Mon September 18, 2017
      Clinton: Russia hacking bigger than Watergate

      Clinton’s new book is called “What Happened”

      Hillary Clinton, in an interview that aired Monday on NPR, said she “would not” rule out questioning the legitimacy of the 2016 election if Russian interference is deeper than currently known.

      The comment, a remarkable step for the former Democratic nominee, exemplifies Clinton’s belief that President Donald Trump and his campaign could have knowingly received help from Russian operatives in the 2016 election.

      – CNN
      ________

      “Special counsel John Durham concludes FBI never should have launched full Trump-Russia probe”

      Special counsel John Durham concluded that the FBI should never have launched a full investigation into connections between Donald Trump’s campaign and Russia during the 2016 election, according to a report compiled over three years by the Trump-administration appointee and released on Monday.

      Durham’s 300-plus page report also states that the FBI used “raw, unanalyzed, and uncorroborated intelligence,” to launch the “Crossfire Hurricane” investigation into Trump and Russia but used a different standard when weighing concerns about alleged election interference regarding Hillary Clinton’s campaign.

      – CNN, May 16, 2023
      _______________________

      “Clinton campaign, DNC fined by FEC for lying about Steele dossier payments”

      The commission ruled it had found probable cause that both the Clinton campaign and the DNC had violated election law.

      The Federal Election Commission has fined both Hillary Clinton’s 2016 presidential campaign and the Democratic National Committee for lying about how they spent money used to fund the now-debunked Steele dossier on former President Donald Trump.

      The Clinton campaign and the DNC will be forced to pay $8,000 and $105,000 respectively for mislabeling payments that ultimately went to Fusion GPS, the consulting firm that commissioned the dossier, according to FEC documents viewed by the Post.

      – CNN, March 30, 2022

    4. So in DM world no lawyer can ever represent a client if there is any possibility that clients possition might prove incorrect ?

      In DM world – we may not question elections – especially elections where election laws were routinely violated – and continue to be through today, where one party has fought tooth and nail against transparency ?

      Let me ask you Dennis – We al Gores efforts to overturn the 2000 election criminal ? Were Hillaries efforts – where Hillary demanded (and got) recounts, that Trump did not. Where hillary demanded (and got) electors to flip their votes. Were these criminal ?

      What is the critieria – aside from “orange man bad” that allows you to determine when challenging an election is a crime and when it is a legitimate duty ?

      My wife is a public defender – I am incredibly proud of her and that. Nearly all of her clients are bad people. Nearly all did something bad – even if not what they are accused of. My wife is the head of the criminal appelate division in our county. All of her clients have lost their case – they have been convicted – either by a judge or a jury of their peers.

      Are you telling me that my wifes conduct is criminal ? That a lawyer offering legal positions that you do not like is a criminal ?

      That sure as h311 sounds like what you are arguing to me ?

      The people behind majro decisions like Gideon or Miranda, or Skokie are people I have held as heros all my life. These were some of the leading lawyers ON THE LEFT.

      And those like you are disowning some of the most significant accomplishments of liberals in the past 100 years. Worse still – you are not merely trying to reverse miranda and Gideon and Skokie – but you are trying to make the people who accomplished those cases into criminals.

      Your ashamed of your profession ? You should be. Not of Ellis and Powell and Chesboro and Eastman. You should be ashamed of Biden and Democrats and Garland, and Smith and Bragg and Willis and all the others who seek to criminalize political differences and worse still to criminalize those who would defend political views you do not like.

      The issues surrounding the 2020 election are really trivial.

      Republican or Democrat – you can not claim to legitimately have won an election and to be vested with the power to govern as a result unless:

      You have not attempted – or worse still succeded in silencing your oponent – or worse still doing so when they were telling the truth – or worse still havng done so through government. You are not entitled to trust if you do not trust the people to hear the claims of your oponents and decide the truth for themelves.
      If you can not trust voters you are not worthy of trust yourself.

      You have not merely conducted the election carefully and according to the law, but also completely transparently. There is no portion of the operation of government that requires more transparency than elections.

      In 2000 Gores election workers observed the entire election process in FL, they were on the counting room floors with their republican counterparts. They looked over the shoulders of the election workers – mostly democrats counting ballots. They objected to some of the decisions those workers made and those ballots were set aside and if the challenge was continued ultimately those ballots were decided by the courts – by judges. In 2020 in state after state – Every major city in every swing state precluded republicans from being close enough to observe counting and object to ballot counts they found questionable.
      We already know that massive numbers of mailin ballots were accepted with ballot envelope information that was either dubious or complete garbage. Where envelopes were unsigned, signed with the wrong name or hundreds of envelopes were signed with the same signatures – often just a single letter.
      And envelope signatures are just one of many many major problems that were never subject to scrutiny.
      In My state Pennsylvania – hundreds of thousands of ballots were processed that were received – even postmarked AFTER the election – in some cases not postmarked at all. After a judge finally stopped this 4 days AFTER the election were were TOLD that none of these late ballots were counted. But we have no means to be able to tell if that was true. There were no observers and once a ballot is separated from its envolope you can not tell when the ballot was cast or recieved. You can not tell if it was not filled out by political operatives rather than voters and injected into the election.

      In the Franken Coleman election Coleman won the election on election day by 2500 votes. Franken and Democrats – many of the same attornies who fought exmaining the 2020 election fought and succeeded in deeply examining the Franken Coleman election. The legal fight over that election took over a full year to complete. Over the course of months – Franken Ballots were found – in car trunks, stasjed in odd closets and months long legal battles took place over whether to count them or not.

      Despite inarguable the most messy lawless election since the 19th century – the legal conflicts that Gore, Franken, Abrahms Hilleray mounted and got reviewed were universally dismissed without real opportunity for scrutiny.

      The massive efforts of the left to avoid any scrutiny of the 2020 election are the most powerful evidence of wrong doing.
      The fact that the courts Universally denied on the thinnest grounds having nothing to do with merits even the attempt to get into court and to examine the evidence is among the most damning evidence of all.

      Turley here shortly after the election called on Biden to give his voice to an open examination of the election – that is the most potent means to establish legitimacy. Not only did Biden refuse, Democrats took exactly the opposite tack. Thwarting inquiry at every chance.

      Further we have seen exactly this pattern of legal resistance multiple times before – we have seen it in the Russia, Russia, Russia hoax, We have seen it regarding Covid, We have seen it Regarding The Biden syndicate.

      It is reasonable to presume when the left is hiding something from the public – that what they are hiding is bad.

      Regardless, elections require Trust – not of the winners or losers, but of the process and of those who conduct the process, and that requires transparancy, and following the law. And that did not happen.

      Dennis – I am ashamed of you. I am ashamed that you are a member of the legal profession.

      I am proud of lawyers like Kardaciean, F Lee, Derschowitz, and Chocrane defending OJ. I beleive OJ was guility, But his lawyers are heros.
      I am proud of Jerry Spence who Defended Randy Weaver. I am proud of John Adams who defended
      I am proud of the attorney’s that defended the Rosenbergs.
      I am proud of the attorneys that defended the Chicago seven or the Central park five – who were eventually found innocent – despite Trump participating in the blood lust for them.

      I am proud of John Adam’s for defending the british soldiers at the Boston Masacre.
      I am proud of the lawyers that Defended Eugene Debbs

      I am proud of the lawyers that Defended Zenger – and that the Crown courts allowed that attorney to argue for Jury Nullification and I am ashamed that the US will not permit lawyers to argue what Colonial courts did.

      I am ashamed that you and so many on the left have rejected the core anglo legal presumption that it is noble to defend those everyone else hates.

      I am ashamed at what is going on in Georgia and DC and New York and Florida – but not for the reason you are.
      I am ashamed that the polical left and the courts think it is acceptable to target political opponents criminally.

      Every single poerson at J6 that did not initiate violence against the capitol police should be released and exhonerated,
      And those who persecuted them should be loathed and despised.

      If Trump actually beleived he had lost the 2020 election. If the proof was completely beyond question – his Conduct would STILL be legal.

      Those on the left today are unable to distinguish between conduct they did like and actually lawless conduct.
      Universally getting it wrong. Throwing molitov coctails in police cars a crime.
      Protesting pretty much anything – sometimes reprehensible, but never a crime.

      I have repeatedly used the recent pro-hamas protests in the US capitol and elsewhere as evidence that the conduct of the left is far worse them the right.
      But with the exception of those who ACTUALLY engaged in violence these protests are perfectly legal.

      Pro-Hamas college students can chant death to israel, death to america, death to jews – so long as they are not violent.
      They can invade the US capitol and through protest disrupt proceeding.
      Further their protests SHOULD feature on the news. We should see them as they are. Neither sugar coated, not demonized.
      We should judge them based on their actions.
      But so long as their actions are lawful – the government should be barred from that judgement.

      I have beleived these things my entire life.

      These are the values that “make america great” -and I am ashamed that so many like you repudiate them.

      Gerry Spence said that the greatest regret of his life was refusing to take Terry Nichols case. That even a co-conspirator in the IKC bombing deserved the best possible defense.

      Please keep posting as you are and please keep reminding us all how vile and unamerican your views are.
      Please keep reminding us all of the evil that we are up against in people like you.

      You say you are a retired Lawyer – You should know better.

    5. Amazing post that acts as if Trumps reaction to the 2020 rigged selection seems to forget the years of lawfare lies and as if his reaction came out of a vacuum! The attempted coup by Democrats, the FBA, the DOJ, and Obama White House happened. They lied and used government resources to negate the Trump Presidency. If you are a lawyer I would be ashamed of much more than the lawyers that supported Trump.

      1. I have no problems with Trump’s lawyers. Just as I have no problems with Biden’s lawyers.
        I have no problem with them making arguments that the courts may find unconstitutional.

        Or more accurately – I have a significant problems with the bad arguments they make. But I would never try to convict them for making constitutional and legal arguments that the courts may not accept.

    6. Are you sure you are a lawyer? You don’t sound like you know enough to be a legal assistant. Did you take pre law courses that made you feel like a lawyer?

      1. DM may well be a lawyer – but his views on the law as he just expressed are hypocritical and radically at odds with the entire western legal tradition.
        Frankly they are at odds with legal traditions going back through the Torah.

        The core to his argument – and the core to the J6 prosecution of lawyers – and more broadly anyone that protests the election is that
        That it is a crime to beleive anything he disagrees with and act on that beleif, and it is a crime to represent people who beleive differently.

        That is an incredibly dangerous position.

        There is no more authoritarian and anti-democratic step that a government can take than to prosecute the lawyers that oppose the government.

        1. Dennis has little respect for the law or the legal profession. He also makes ignorant legal comments that should not be acceptable, but in today’s world, we have Tribes who believe the law only exists to be twisted to prove their point of view.

          That is not the only reason I disbelieve DM’s claim. I think he is lying based on many of his earlier posts.

          Lack of respect for the law and lying is not atypical for the lawyer of today, so your claim DM might be a lawyer remains valid. Some states give law licenses online. Passing the Bar is another thing. If DM passed the Bar, he did so because he did not want to stop in to have a drink with the guys.

    7. I can’t help but think you are the most ignorant hypocrite ever.
      John Dean is the guy, the sole guy who devised the watergate breakin, paid for it, set it up, and procured the funds to carry it out.
      On the Nixon tapes he, John Dean, is heard confessing to a completely unknowing President Nixon, explaining what he did, bit by bit, as President Nixon listened.

      You quote John Dean because the lefty lib loon liars made him their confessor hero to entrap Nixon. Your people took the top criminal mastermind in the whole of the watergate incident and made him your personal savior.
      TOTAL HYPOCRISY.

      To cover up that gaping demented wound to justice, you all screamed “the cover up is worse than the crime.”
      To this very day you cover up John Dean’s role, which was MASTER AND SOLE CONTROLLER OF THE WATERGATE BREAK IN.

  5. OT

    In the approach to WWIII, will President Obama and his foreign policy expert, the very Iranian Chinese client Valerie Jarrett, ever give a news conference, or will they leave it to the demented comms intern, Joke Buydem?

    It is getting rather late, wouldn’t you say?

  7. Jonathan: Breaking news! Judge Chutkan, who presides over the case in DC charging DJT with trying to overturn the 2020 election, has responded to a media motion to televise the trial. In a minute order Judge Chutkan has asked DJT to respond and say whether he would like his trial televised. Whoa! That’s unprecedented because federal courts don’t allow TV cameras in the courtroom. It’s different in state courts, like Georgia, where Fani Willis’s trial of DJT and others will be televised in Judge McAfee’s courtroom.

    So I am taking a poll. How many on this blog would like to see DJT accept Judge Chutkan’s offer? Personally, I think DJT will reject Chutkan’s offer. Why? Because he could not control the narrative. In the NY case before Judge Engoron, DJT can use breaks to go outside the courtroom and try to discredit evidence and witness testimony. If there is live TV coverage of the DC trial the viewing audience could judge for themselves the weight of the evidence and the credibility of the witnesses. I don’t think DJT would like that prospect.

    On the other hand, if DJT really believes the DC case is a “witch hunt” and Judge Chutkan is against him then what is he afraid of? Live TV coverage would permit DJT to demonstrate he is a victim of a “rigged judicial system”. He could play the martyr and use the trial to raise more money for his 2024 campaign.

    So guys and gals out there on this blog what do you think?

    1. Mc You will have to go back to your Dem Web sites to be with your monkey gallery associates. I am wondering if you will push for Telvising J Biden’s GITMO Tribunal prosecutions?

    2. Write on the chalk board 100 times “I will refrain from crapping the thread.”

    3. I vote for the impeachment and conviction of the AG, Chutkan et al. for gross abuse of power, usurpation of power, malicious political prosecution, prosecutorial misconduct, corruption, flagrant and egregious impartiality et al. under the color of authority.

      I vote for the arrest and prosecution of Barack Hussein “Barry Soetoro” Obama for perpetrating subversion and insurrection against the U.S. as the continuing Obama Coup D’etat in America.

      To wit,
      ________

      “We are five days away from fundamentally transforming the United States of America.”

      – Barack Obama
      __________________

      “We will stop him.”

      – Peter Strzok to FBI paramour Lisa Page
      ___________________________________________

      “[Obama] wants to know everything we’re doing.”

      – Lisa Page to FBI paramour Peter Strzok
      ___________________________________________

      “I want to believe the path you threw out for consideration in Andy’s office — that there’s no way he gets elected — but I’m afraid we can’t take that risk It’s like an insurance policy in the unlikely event you die before 40.”

      – Peter Strzok to FBI parmour Lisa Page
      __________________________________________

      “People on the 7th floor to include Director are fired up about this [Trump] server.”

      – Bill Priestap
      _______________

      The Obama Coup D’etat in America is the most egregious abuse of power and the most prodigious crime in American political history. The co-conspirators are:

      Kevin Clinesmith, Bill Taylor, Eric Ciaramella, Rosenstein, Mueller/Team, Andrew Weissmann,

      James Comey, Christopher Wray, McCabe, Strozk, Page, Laycock, Kadzic, Sally Yates,

      James Baker, Bruce Ohr, Nellie Ohr, Priestap, Kortan, Campbell, Sir Richard Dearlove,

      Christopher Steele, Simpson, Joseph Mifsud, Alexander Downer, Stefan “The Walrus” Halper,

      Azra Turk, Kerry, Hillary, Huma, Mills, Brennan, Gina Haspel, Clapper, Lerner, Farkas, Power,

      Lynch, Rice, Jarrett, Holder, Brazile, Sessions (patsy), Nadler, Schiff, Pelosi, Obama,

      Joe Biden, James E. Boasberg, Emmet Sullivan, Gen. Milley, George Soros, John McCain,

      Marc Elias, Igor Danchenko, Fiona Hill, Charles H. Dolan, Jake Sullivan, Strobe Talbot,

      Cody Shear, Victoria Nuland, Ray “Red Hat” Epps, Don Berlin, Kathy Ruemmler, Rodney Joffe,

      Paul Vixie, L. Jean Camp, Andrew Whitney, Lisa O. Monaco et al.

    4. We are staring WWIII in the face and this idiot is going on about TV coverage?
      Think anyone is really going to care when not only when WWIII breaks out in the Mid-East, but pro-Palestinians and Jews are going at it in the streets in the US?
      I can tell you your priorities change when someone is actively taking shots at you or the air raid sirens go off and we are all haul butt to the bunkers while rockets are coming down on you.
      If we are lucky, we will avoid that and you can obsess with your TDS.
      If we are not, get your priorities straight and think of your grandchildren.
      Idiot.

    5. This has nothing to do with Trump and should not be the perview of judges.

      NEarly all of government must be conducted in public – that includes journalists and TV camera ands anyone who wants recording judges, and police and all the actions of government.

      This is not a question for a pol. It is not a choice for the prosecutor or the defendant.

      Whether it is The prosecutors or the judge or Trump preening for the cameras – we should see it.
      We should see the case as it is made, we should see the decisions of the judge and decide for ourselves whether they are biased or reasonable.

      Though that ship has sailed – because “attempting to overturn an election” is NOT a crime. Al franken is not in Jail, nor are his attorneys.
      Nor is Al Gore nor his attorney’s, nor is stacy abrahms or her attorney’s nor is hillary clinton or her attorneys.

      The real question is why has this not been dismissed for failure to state a crime ?

  9. Back in the day wouldn’t the cops just take him to a jail cell to sober up, give him a warning, and then let him go? Being as the problem here was his intoxication and there was no threat of violence, nor any property damage, wouldn’t that have saved everyone a lot of time and the taxpayers a lot of money?

  10. This guy is cutting edge in the USA. As we know the cops are always in danger of their lives being lost, every second. Everyone wants to kill them, wipe them off the face of the earth.
    So this guy was really smart in how he protected himself. Drop em down and PROVE you don’t have a cellhone or a jar of peanuts that looks like a deadly weapon ready to take the life of the officer who just wants to go home to his family, number one priority.
    I suspect this will be the new procedure in all future arrests.
    The demolib party and public will go along with it just for the video endorphin thrills.
    The cops pull up, en overwhelming force, the first thing you the suspect must do is take it all off.
    That’s for your safety, and officers safety.

  11. Jonathan: Here’s another comment I title ” Symbols of the Confederacy are Fast Disappearing”. Fort Gordon, in Georgia, has just been renamed in honor of WW11 commander Dwight D. Eisenhower. This is the last of 9 military installations previously named for prominent Confederate military leaders. The base in Georgia was previously named for John B. Gordon who held the rank of lieutenant general of Confederate forces. After the Civil War Gordon was elected to the US Senate and then served as governor of Georgia.

    Other symbols of the Confederate slave states are not being renamed. They are being melted down. Last week, at a foundry, a statue of Gen. Robert E. Lee was cut into pieces and melted down to liquid brass. The melting down came after years of protest to remove Lee’s statue from downtown Charlottesville. That statue was a flashpoint in 2017 when neo-Nazis and white nationalists rampaged through the city–killing Heather Hyer. The remains of Lee’s statue will be turned in a public art installation in downtown Charlottesville. All other statues and monuments to the Confederacy have not be destroyed. They have been removed to what are called “statue graveyards”. There is one in Richmond, Virginia at an undisclosed “graveyard” located in a seedy industrial section of the city.

    I mention this because memories die hard. There a few diehards in the South who object to the removal of symbols of the Confederacy. But their views have given way to a recognition by most in the South that statues and other monuments that celebrate the Confederacy have no place on public display. It’s a good thing the US miliary and the South have finally come to terms with the system of slavery when other human beings could be bought and sold.

    1. As is typical you can not get anything right.

      I do not care much about public art. Or who what is named after. You are offended by Robert E. Lee – Fine, I am offended by Woodrow Wilson, FDR and LBJ

      Though I find it interesting that you think melting down statutes is coming to terms with history. It is not. It is HIDING history.

      Dwight Eisenhower was a great american leader. He was also unfaithful to his wife. We must take the good with the bad.

      All that said 0 no “neo nazi’s rampaged through Charlotte murdering Heather Heyer”. Various groups excercised their right to free speech, including marching with a permit and were forced to run a gauntlet of violent abusive unpermited counter protestors without police protection. Then unconstitutionally had their permit canceleled in the middle of the event – to cause maximum chaos. And had to run the same guanlet of violent counter protestors AGAIN to leave,
      and one of those protestors, got lost, had his car attacked by violent counter protesters and drove too fast through a crown to get out.
      Mr. Fielding the alleged perpitrator did NOT strike hyer – she died of a heart attack from being morbidly obese.
      Fielding was just another mentally ill person – one of the broken people that the left NORMALLY advocates for.
      But because in his illness he was attracted to political causes that YOU hate – you had to make an example of him.

      What happened was the perfect reflection of YOUR values and those of the left.

      Violent, out of control, not giving a damn about the rights of others, not actually caring about people with mental health issues – unless they fit your political narative.

      Your rants about “neo-nazi’s” is espcially damning – Some of those at the Charlote protests were actual anti-semites.
      In this country we USED to pride our selves in protecting the free speech even of people whose views we did not like.

      We allow Nazi’s to protest, and we sanction those who try to infringe on that right – but not at charlottesville.

      More recently we have seen MASSIVE neo-nazi protests in our cities and universities and in the US capital – and these groups have often been violent
      and you those like you have supported THESE particular neo-nazis.

      To those like YOU groups whose roots go back to ACTUAL nazi’s who openly speek of exterminating jews. We celebrate the beheading and burning of babies, and the murder and rape of women and children, people who are openly homophobic and transphobic and the most sexist in the world – in Dennis’s world – they are the good guys.

      While the jews they have trapped, and beaten – they are somehow the bad guys.

      Dennis – your remarks DROWN in hypocracy.

      What are the differences between Charlote and the current Pro-Hamas protests ?

      The protestors at Charlote had a permit, did not engage in violence, and were attacked repeatedly – and our government tasked with protecting citizens regardless of their views, and sanctioning acts of violence – not points of view – that police failed them and us.

      While today – the “neo-nazi” protestors are themselves often violent, attacking jews., disrupting congress, trapping jews in libraries and closets for hours,
      and celebrating real and disgusting terrorist conduct that occured just days before.

      1. So many words, but this is a scurrilous falsehood: “Dwight Eisenhower was … unfaithful to his wife.”

    1. not the same – the guy is cuffed. what did they do prior? how did they get him cuffs?

      1. Ugh, you again. Don’t you ever get tired of nit-picking the peripheral details and missing the big picture?

        I mean once the Florida guy dropped his pants, and there were four cops to one unarmed drunk guy, what really was the difference? The difference is that the Norwegian cops acted with a bit of common sense and humor.

  13. Jonathan: The title of your column should have been reserved for another post–the one about Robert Card, who was found dead in the woods from a self-inflicted wound on Friday after he slaughtered 18 innocent people in Maine.

    After this latest mass shooting the WH renewed it’s call for a ban on assault weapons. Mike Johnson, the new Speaker, was quick to push back. He was on Fox with Sean Hannity on Thursday. He said it was “not the time” to talk about gun control: “The problem is the human heart. It’s not guns. It’s not the weapons. At the end of the day, we have to protect the right of the citizens to protect themselves, and that’s the Second Amendment, and that’s why our party stands so strongly for that”. The logical extension of Johnson’s thinking is he believes Robert Card had a God-given right to “protect” himself against the LGBTQ+ community by shooting dead 18 and wounding 13 more innocent US citizens.

    Johnson is the poster child for “Where’s my weapon?” He stands with the gun lobby. For him it will never be “the time” to talk about gun control. The mass shooting in Lewiston was the 37th so far this year. At least 190 people have died. For Mike Johnson that’s a acceptable price to pay to preserve our God-given 2nd amendment rights. This a prescription for more mass shootings. At least we know where the GOP stands. It stands with Robert Card. I expect this will be on the minds of voters next year.

    1. “The logical extension of Johnson’s thinking . . .”

      Sure. In a fevered imagination that equates self-defense with cold-blooded murder.

    2. Ask yourself, 8 million illegal aliens with ZERO vetting. An undisclosed number of Hamas butchers among them. Would you rather have or not have many rounds of ammunition and an AR-15 or not. So the Hamas butchers are killing hundreds at the football game down the street from you. Want to clutch your pearls and virtue signal, or go fight evil and kill them before they kill more of your friends and relatives. Or call 911 and wait and wait and wait. Biden’s border policy makes gun control laughable at this point.

      1. Dennis is a bot, programmed to spout leftist talking points with no logical analysis. The bot will not mention that the Maine shooting in a bowling alley took place in a gun free zone, or that mass shooters overwhelmingly choose gun free zones to commit their crimes (for obvious reasons). When I say overwhelmingly I’m not exaggerating: 94% of mass shootings take place in gun-free zones.

        1. OldManFromKS,
          You are spot on about the Maine shooting taking place in a gun free zone.
          The terrorist attack at that concert in Israel was a gun free zone. Until the terrorists paraglided in with fully automatic weapons and proceeded to kill and wound unarmed Israel citizens.
          After the Maine shooting, there were reports and interviews with gun shops in the area of law abiding Maine citizens buying guns, mostly handguns but some rifles en mass. They know. They saw what happened in not only the gun free zone bowling ally but Israel. They are exercising their 2ndA rights to self-defense.
          The question I have is how and why did Maine’s Yellow Flag laws not work?
          You can pass all the warm and fuzzy laws you want but in the end, if people dont follow laws, or procedure the system fails and we get situations like this.
          Speaking of people who dont follow the law, criminals.
          And terrorists.

          1. While I am not opposed to various “flag” laws – they are not going to work either. And they have enormous potential for abuse.

            WE have been trying to figure out how to deal with mental health issues for centuries – we do not have anything even close to a workable answer – despite multiple instances when the left got their way, then failed, and then regrouped with a new solution – blaming the right for their past failed attempt.

            We forget that the asylums of the 19th century and part of the 20th were progressive efforts at humanely dealing with the mentally ill.
            And then shutting down the asylums was again a left policy.

            Mental health is the perfect example of a problem that we do not have an answer to.

            A substantial portion of the chronically homeless and or drug addicts – are people with mental health problems.

            Nearly all mass murders are mentally ill, the overwhelming majority are paranoid schizophrenics. At the same time – the rates of violence among paranoid schizophrenics – the mentally unhealthy group most prone to violence is only double that of the normal population.
            Or about the same as the rate of violence among blacks.

            We are no more justified in locking up all paranoid schizophrenics than locking up all blacks.

            There is no means to determine which schizophrenics will be mass killers and which will be harmless.

            It is easy to point to the last mass killer and note – people should have known. But in fact there are thousands of people just like him, that will never do anything violent.

            2. Except if you read the articles, he was hospitalized and it was known as the shooter said he was going to shoot up military or something of that nature.
              So the thousand mentally ill who didn’t do it, also didn’t say their voices were telling them to go shoot a bunch of people.
              So you’re off.
              It’s as if we have no recourse to stop this kind of thing in the mentally ill but we certainly did in this case and those in charge failed everyone.

    3. Dennis – the gun control crowd repeatedly demonstrates they are completely oblivious of reality.

      Of the 60 countries in which we have data on “mass shootings” – the US ranks 42 in per capita mass shootings. ALL of the 41 countries above us have gun control.

      The event Turley is commenting on as well as the recent mass killing are a reflection of the fact that humans have not yet found any way to deal with mental health issues. We have put the mentally ill in asylums and that has been abused. We have released them – and they end up homeless, drug addicted and on the streets often committing petty crimes to get by, or we have locked them up in prisons as if mental illness is a crime.

      I do not have the answer to mental health problems – no one does, and nothing we have tried has worked. That is not a reason to give up. But it is a reason to have something you clearly do not have – HUMILITY and the understanding that all problems may not be solvable, and that our one size fits all efforts have universally failed.

      Idiots on the left seem to think that gun control will cure mental health problems, or the inclination of some to criminality and violence.
      They are so without thought they fail to grasp that not only has gun control FAILED everywhere it has been tried. Not only is it historically the tool of tyrants,
      but that as a practical matter it is impossible. There are 330M people in the US there are more guns than people. Contra the left – nearly all gun violence occurs in those areas where guns are already tightly controlled – but as is typical of those on the left – when your policies fail – it was because they were not applied draconianly and broadly enough. The guns used in the majority of crimes in the US were not bought in guns shops. They were not bought at gun shows.
      They were bought by criminals selling them to other criminals.

      I find your gun rant interesting – as we are in the midst of a Repeat of the Obama/Biden fast and furious gun running scandal. Recently an ATF agent was caught selling guns and Gun assemblies to the cartels in Mexico – so much for the lefts actual beleif in Gun control.

      Regardless There are less than 1M law enforcement officers int he US, there are nearly 1/2B guns. How is it that you expect to confiscate half a billion guns.
      If the gun owner resists – 1 in 1000 times – that is half a million violent shootouts accress the country.

      The only thing your ranting does is drives up gun sales and proves how stupid you are.

      Your leaders rant publicly about gun control – constantly proving their own stupidity. “no one needs 100 rounds in the chamber” – Joe Biden. Guns only ever have 1 round in the chamber at most.

      No one needs 100 round magazines – mostly correct, and there are very few 100 round clips or magazines because they are highly prone to jamb and fail.
      As are 30 round clips – also quite rare. Nor do mass killers use 100 round or 30 round clips – because if they did they would jamb and they would be dead.

      AR-15 or “assault rifles” are NOT used in the overwhelming majority of crimes, mass shootings, etc. The most common weapon used in crimes is the revolver,
      it is cheap, small and simple and does not jamb. The next most common is the semi-automatic pistol. Every mass killer who used a gun used semi-automatic pistols, and they make up the overwhelming majority of all guns in the US. Rifles of all kinds make up at most 10% of all guns in the US and they are involed in LESS THAN 1% of all crimes. Rifles are unsuitable for the commission of a crime. Except for shotguns they are long range high accuracy weapons, “assault weapons” specifically are area denial weapons – Their primary use has ALWAYS been defensive, they make it difficult for others who are dangerous to you to get close. They are NOT close quarters weapons – which is what is used in most crimes. Most of the victims of mass shooting died from pistol shots.
      AR-15’s and most “assault rifles” use small caliber amunition – again they are AREA DENIAL weapons, not actual assault weapons. Any caliber can kill you, but higher caliber weapons are significantly more deadly.

      I can go on and on – but what is universally clear is that those on the left like you never actually think about what you are proposing.

      If you made it illegal to sell guns today – what are you going to do about the half a billion guns already legally owned by people ?

      Even if you were right about any of your nonsense – there is no gun control law that democrats have ever proposed that will make even a tiny difference.

      As is typical of those on the left – you are more interested in SAYING that you did something – than actually contemplating the problem.
      In the end most of your laws harm those you intended to help.

      1. John Say,
        Well said.
        I would be willing to bet there are a number of NYC Jews who wish they could have their 2ndA rights to buy a gun.

        1. @Upstate Farmer: Concerned New Yorkers are invited to move to Florida, and freely exercise their second amendment rights. The gun ranges, gun and ammunition dealers are busy. The citizenry and communities are prepared. Agitators in support of brutalizing totalitarian theocratic dictatorships which seek to perpetrate genocide, should take the advice of our Polk county sheriff. Stay away! Floridians love their guns and their freedom.

        2. Upstate Farmer – I have barely touched on the facts regarding guns and gun control.

          But the most fundimental issue has nothing at all to do with Guns.

          It is the state of mind of those on the left.

          EVERY problem in left wing nut world can be solve by some top down one size fits all solution with little real though, applied by force – aka Government without any real consideration of whether it will work or how much it will cost in freedom or other harms.

          Democrats want stupid laws that have nice sounding names. The APGTH – “All puppies go to heaven” that just euthanizes all pets.
          If it has a nice sounding name then it MUST be a good thing.

          The evidence that greater freedom – including gun rights results in prosperity and LOWER rates of violence, crime, and longer lives is overwhelming.

          But we see the blood and gore and bodies from a mass shooter. We do not see the overall beneficial effects of increased freedom nearly so easily.

          That we can not see the individuals who are alive because of greater freedom does not mean they do not exist.

          A “good guy with a gun” is not going to stop all mass shootings all crimes.
          NOTHING is going to stop ALL of anything.

          The left counts on that – it means they will EJNDLESSLY be able to further restrict freedom in the name of worthless feel good laws.

    4. You say 190 people have died of mass shootings this year.

      That is HALF the number of people who have died of violence in Chicago this year.
      That is HALF the number of people who died of drug overdoses TODAY.

      Lots of things will be on voters minds.
      I doubt mass shootings will be on anyone minds but yours.

      Though I would note that the frequency of violent crimes tracks incredibly well to rates of anxiety and depression.

      The normal rate of anxiety and depression is a little under 20%.

      It is double that for those under 30 today,
      It is double that for those on the left.
      It is double that for women.

      If you are a left wing women under 20 your likelyhood of anxiety and depression are about 76%. That is self reported.

      What causes higher rates of anxiety and depression ? The perception that he world is in chaos and outside of control.
      The reason those on the left have higher rates of anxiety and depression is that chaos is what the left teaches and what the left sews.

      You say there is a tradeoff between 2nd amendment freedom and mass killings. That is garbage. Only left win loons think there is even a connection.
      Regardless this is definitely a connection between lack of freedom and higher death rates.

      Stalin murdered between 40 and 80million of his own people. Mao over 80M. Pol Pot 2M in a much smaller country.
      Everywhere there is less freedom there is more death.

      You lefties ranted about Covid deaths under Trump – there are been 3 times as many under Biden.
      You demanded we vaccinate – the death rate among the vaccinated is significantly HIGHER.

      In fact semi-post covid we have significantly higher death rates – about 3 times greater than deaths from Covid.

      Why ? increased drug overdoses, increased suicides. Delays in medical treatment under covid.
      Very high rates of vaccine related complications.

      Mortality rates were dropping steadily for sometime – now they are rising again.
      Rates of violence were dropping – now they are rising.

      We are not certain why rates of violence were dropping for 40 years.
      We KNOW why they are rising – chaos sewn by the left.

      The driving factor in rising mass shootings is NOT guns – nothing has changed there.

      The driving factor is left wing nut insanity – the chaos caused by the woke.
      The attempt to massively and rapidly disrupt social norms overnight.

      The problem is not the 2nd amendment – it is YOU. And it goes way past mass shootings.

    5. right to “protect” himself against the LGBTQ+ community

      Hey retard. this has nothing to do with Florida man or gays.

      Johnson is supporting the Constitution. Something you know nothing about.

      Biden doesn’t even know who he is anymore. But his handlers are so stupid, they failed to recognize A federal court just overturned yet another unconstitutional New York gun law.

      Dennis the retard is so retarded he could not cite what about the AR platform makes it more lethal than a dozen other long guns.
      Dennis just pukes up “assault weapon ban”, not knowing it only validates his stupidity.

  14. Well, there is something you dont see everyday.
    I agree with Joe Hayden, glad I am not a LEO.
    Good on ya those who are!

  15. Being a jerk with the cops was not a wise decision, but being a white man, clearly saved his a** from being shot.

    1. That would be a difficult case to make regardless of race when the guy is buck naked.

      1. There has been people who have been shot by cops for just leaning into or towards cops. Even reaching for his pants could have got him tasered. Research for yourself on youtube.com

    2. Actually he did something black Marxists refuse to do when approached by police: lay down peacefully with his arms behind his back. So thanks for injecting Marxist talking points into the discussion. Naturally the facts show again and again black culture is the problem not race

      For your next talking point, tell us why you celebrate Jews being burnt alive and decapitated by Hamas. Go ahead. The forum is yours to troll with your scores of sock puppets

      🤣🤣🤣

      1. Don’t worry Bubba, there will be enough Tiki Torch fuel for your next march.

    3. This is a rather demonstrably ignorant and inaccurate observation. With only a modicum of effort, inspection of both national databases – WaPo and FBI – that collect data on the race of victims of cop shootings demonstrate the annual number of whites shot by cops almost doubles that of blacks. And it is has been this way for decades.

    4. Daniel Shaver’s failure to precisely follow commands led to his point blank execution. His magical skin pigment failed him. The killer was acquitted.  

    5. “[B]eing a white man, clearly saved his a** from being shot.”

      Too bad it didn’t save that white woman in the Capitol Building.

  16. Actually I am on the side of the defendant despite and because of my past experience as a Police Officer.

    The Defendant did not commit a crime by dropping his trousers as his intent was to prove to the Officers he was “unarmed”….which apparently he was by all accounts.

    That actually enhanced the safety of the Officers.

    It also ensured the Defendant’s safety as he clearly was no threat to the Officers and was neither a threat or a flight risk (recall his trousers were around both of his ankles thus acting as hobbles).

    Had I been on scene I would have thought him crazy (but then crazy is not a crime absence any violence) and dealt with him accordingly.

    It seems the Police need some legal training re elements of the crimes they charged the Man with.

    Folks need to lighten up….even Cops and Prosecutors when it comes this kind of thing.

    Being “Full Monty” absolutely prevents any notion of a concealed weapon especially edged weapons or large handguns with sharp front sights.

  17. What’s the guy supposed to have done BEFORE 4 cops pulled up? He’s clearly drunk, which is not illegal. He’s unhappy with being ganged up on, which is understandable. It seems that all the charges relate to his REACTION to the cops. So first they provoke a reaction, then they charge you for the reaction. Sounds like the Biden Injustice system operating as usual.

    1. Public intoxication is a crime. Disturbing the peace. At a minimum he would have been tased.

  19. I think that this was one of those encounters, where after assessment by the police, that the mental health professionals should have been called. Clearly this man has issues and intervention on the scene would likely have resulted in an ER visit and quick assessment by physicians and then a decision as to whether he should be admitted for 48 hr observation and treatment, vs arrest and detainment. Clearly the modern world is, on this particular day, not something that this man is capable of dealing with. Or he could just be drunk or drugged. Also clearly he had no live weapons to threaten anyone.

  20. I’d agree professor on the peaceful resistance but if the effort to peacefully arrest someone takes countless minutes and explanation and persuasion testing the limits of patience , it probably is a warranted charge more times than not. I’m just glad I’m not a peace officer.

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