Like many, I have been highly critical of the statements made by Rep. Rashida Tlaib (D-Mich.) accusing Israel of bombing the hospital in Gaza and other inflammatory comments. However, I also opposed the effort to censure Tlaib on free speech grounds. I was impressed by the comments of Speaker Mike Johnson on the measure and the 23 GOP members who took the unpopular step of voting against the measure even though they disagreed with her viewpoints.
The 23 Republicans joined all House Democrats in a 222-186 vote to block the disciplinary measure pushed by Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.) for her criticism of Israel after Hamas launched a deadly attack against the country last month.
The resolution adopted the same type of ambiguous and overly broad definition of insurrection used by Democrats against Republicans. Green’s resolution accused Tlaib “antisemitic activity, sympathizing with terrorist organizations and leading an insurrection” at a House office building.
Tlaib has spread what many would declare “disinformation.” However, that rationale has been used extensively by many to censor and ban opposing views on social media and in academia. It should not be used to censor elected representatives in Congress. Clearly, this carries no real penalties and the House has every right to speak as an institution. However, as Speaker Johnson noted, it leads to endless measures. It also creates a growing expectation that every position deemed offensive or false should be subject to institutional action.
In an appearance with Fox Host Sean Hannity last night with other GOP members, Johnson explained that he opposed such measures in the interests of free speech. He noted that members say controversial things “all the time” and that it is a slippery slope to use such disciplinary measures in a tit-for-tat pattern.
I have previously raised concerns over the threats to free speech in this period of great tension in Congress and on our campuses. I have denounced Hamas as a terrorist organization, but the solution is not to curtail free speech rights on our campuses.
That is not true about conduct like tearing down posters and threatening others. Recently, Harvard students (including Ibrahim Bharmal who is an editor of the Harvard Law Review) was implicated in a disturbing incident involving Jewish protesters who were shoved and pursued on campus. At Cornell, a student, Patrick Dai, was arrested after threatening Jewish students.
Our campuses and our Congress have a shared value as forums for the expression of political viewpoints. They serve as important spaces for the exchange of opposing views, including some views that may enrage or insult many of us. Yet, if we are to find any resolution of these issues, it will be through the use of free speech, not through its denial.
Biden to Israel:
We have your back. For a few days or until my poll numbers drop — whichever comes first.
“Feckless” is too kind for the Biden administration.
Where are all the Handmaid’s Tale reenactors, with their scarlet cloaks, to protest Rashida Tlaib’s support on the mass rape and murder of Jewish women in Israel? Where are the women’s marches, with the genitalia hats?
Karen, you might have some input on the following since your son is in high school.
What connection is there to current societal upheaval (i.e. polarization) and the deteriorating mental health of children?
I’m not a Jew but I wonder what the anti-Semitism propagated by Democrats is having on children, both Jew and Gentile.
Relatedly, the following 3 news items were published within the last 2 days in Loudon County, VA. Loudon County is also where a male “trans” high school student sexually assaulted different girls, different schools. The Superintendent of Loudon County Public Schools was fired (with pay, ~$300K) after a grand injury blamed the school district for the handling of the Trans/sexual assault incidents and subsequent covering it up. Why Loudon County, VA (the most affluent county in the nation) and not BFE America?
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The problem isn’t Rashida Tlaib. The problem is that her antisemitism appealed to a majority of voters who elected her. Tlaib is the face of her district, Detroit and Dearborn.
No Jews live in Saudi Arabia, Syria, Lebanon, or Jordan. At this point, do any Jews dare to live in Dearborn, MI, the home of so many antisemitic rallies? How are the Jewish enclaves in Detroit faring, surrounded with enough people to have voted in a blatant antisemite to Congress?
I have no problem with Tlaib saying whatever she wants to say. It just feels strongly she should be in a Burka and staying in the house all day.
I have no answer as to how to counteract a lifetime of brainwashing, that produces people like Rashida Tlaib. She was raised to hate Jews. It’s irrational.
You can show her video of Hamas’ rockets falling on the hospital parking lot, and show her current photos of the hospital, still standing. She will insist that IDF fired. missiles deliberately, directly, at the hospital and killed hundreds of people.
You can show her evidence that IDF warns Palestinians to evacuate military strike zones ahead of time, while Hamas has orders to rape, torture, kill, castrate, and hack off other body parts of every civilian man, woman, and child they could catch. She will insist that Israel deliberately targets civilians.
You can show her Hamas’ own body cam of the shooting of a father, gang rape of the mother, while they put her screaming baby into an oven to burn to death, as Nazis do. She will insist that Israel had it coming, and is worse. Any limitations at all, on abortion is a war on women, but Jewish women and little girls must have had it coming to be gang raped until their pelvises broke.
You can prove that Jews are the indigenous people of Judea, where Judaism evolved, tracing its roots both archeologically and genetically to this area back to the Bronze Age. She will still call them colonizers.
She can listen to an intercepted phone call in which Hamas demanded a Gaza hospital hand over its fuel, to add to its sizable stockpile of fuel, food, and all the other aid that has poured into Gaza, and she will still blame the Jews for the hospital running out of fuel. Hamas received enough money and aid to build a state of the art water and power system, but it’s the Jew’s fault they don’t have water and power. The Jews are commanded to pour treasure into Gaza “for aid” that will just be seized by Hamas to kill more Jews. Meanwhile, not a single Arab nation has agreed to receive Palestinian refugees. The Jews have to pay for terrorist activity against Jews, apparently.
I don’t know if she hears static when presented with contradicting evidence. Brainwashed people can get hostile and agitated when presented with proof that contravenes their ideation.
I’ve got nothing. These people cannot be reasoned with.
Imagine, for a moment, what life would be like for American Jews if someone like Rashida Tlaib ever became President, or if a majority in Congress reflected her views. In London, over 100,000 pro-Hamas demonstrators packed the Bridge, chanting slogans like, “Oh Muslim, there is a Jew behind me. K!ll him.”
I’ve said for years that there are people in every single country who would fit in wonderfully if they immigrated to the US, assimilating to Western culture. You can find people like this all over the world. I also said that if you import a random cross section of regions where terrorism, antisemitism, total intolerance of LGTBQ, and no respect for women, they would not abandon those beliefs just because they set foot on Western soil. Well, here we are today, when American Jews in Jewish-majority neighborhoods are warned not to walk outside, and many London Jews fear to tread almost anywhere.
Tell me again how Islam is the religion of peace, but a little old baker who didn’t want to bake a custom Satanic cake, Halloween cake, or a transgender cake, is the real threat to America. Christians are always targeted as being a threat, such as the attacks on Speaker Mike Johnson, but apparently it’s perfectly acceptable to call for the ethnic cleansing of Jews “from the river to the sea”, from their own religious homeland.
When faced with a massive increase in antisemitic threats, harassment, and assaults, what did President Joe Biden do? He appointed VP Kamala Harris to combat Islamophobia.
Is this what America was like in 1939?
“She will insist that Israel had it coming, and is worse.”
And not just her. “Palestinians” interviewed agree with her. The Hamas butchery was “justified.”
BTW, well said.
Sad that radicals submit blatantly unconstitutional proposals and then when they are defeated the morons who made the original idiotic statements say “See, this proves I’m right!” Generally it’s best to let idiots blather on and expose themselves for what they are.
WE WILL STOP HIM!
THE OBAMA COUP D’ETAT IN AMERICA CONTINUES UNABATED
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“We are five days away from fundamentally transforming the United States of America.”
– Barack Obama
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“We will stop him.”
– Peter Strzok to FBI paramour Lisa Page
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“[Obama] wants to know everything we’re doing.”
– Lisa Page to FBI paramour Peter Strzok
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“I want to believe the path you threw out for consideration in Andy’s office — that there’s no way he gets elected — but I’m afraid we can’t take that risk It’s like an insurance policy in the unlikely event you die before 40.”
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Jonathan: Shortly after taking office in 2017 DJT executed a Revocable Trust making his kids trustees over the operation of the Trump organization and all the properties in NY while DJT was “playing” at being President.
So yesterday Don Jr. was called to testify before Judge Engoron in AG Letitia James civil fraud case. And what did Don Jr. have to say about his role as one of the trustees–a position with fiduciary responsibilities? He was shown a number of documents he did not recognize. One was a 2017 statement of financial conditions. Another doc he didn’t recognize was a power of attorney executed in March 2017. That power of attorney designated Don Jr. as his dad’s agent without limits as to compliance certificates concerning real estate and banking transactions.
Other aspects of Don Jr.’s testimony did not go well for him. He tried to blame others. He said he relied on Mazars USA to prepare the company’s financial statements. He admitted “I know nothing about GAAP–I leave it to my accountants”. Sounds like Alan Weisselberg, the former convicted CFO for the DJT organization.
As a trustee Don Jr. had a responsibility to know something about basic rules of accounting. He had a fiduciary duty to assure the company’s financial statements were accurate and true. And they weren’t! When he testified Don Jr. didn’t even bother to try to argue the inflated value of the company’s properties were actually accurate.
Poor Don Jr. He is incompetent to act as a trustee and fiduciary of a NY company. That’s why I think in his final decision Judge Engoron will order that neither Don, Jr. nor his father, nor Eric, nor Ivanka can never serve as an officer or board member of any NY company. If this was “The Apprentice” show the verdict would be “You’re fired!”.
And what did Don Jr. have to say about his role as one of the trustees–a position with fiduciary responsibilities?
Fiduciary responsibilities to who exactly? you toss out big words but fail to use them properly.
Dennis You are such retard you lack the intellectual capacity to fathom how little you know.
But Micheal Cohen and now Don Jr. prove how stupid all this is. The Judge should have tossed it. a claim of fraud, with no victims.
Financial documents prepared and signed by licensed professionals. If there is a problem with the documents, its the proffessionals on the hook, not the person paying them. Nobody can go back 10 years and put a value on a piece of real estate. Its IMPOSSIBLE! Tell me how many ducks landed in the Island slew, November 10th of 2015. Nobody can. Its an unknown value. Exactly like real estate. No lender that dealt with Trump Inc claimed to have been swindled.
Because Trump is an idiot. Stupid beyond words. BUT…..smarter than lending officers in some of the largest banks in the world.
Iowan2: “financial documents” may be “prepared by licensed professionals”, but the contents thereof are the representations of the company involved and the CEO or other executive who signed, under oath, verifying the accuracy of the contents. If there are errors or misrepresentations, responsibility and liability for that falls on the representative of the company. WHERE did the information come from that was ued by the “licensed professionals”? Did they make up numbers? No “licensed professional” would make up numbers for tax or other purposes, including valuations of real property or other assets used for securing loans. No “licensed professional” is going to ignore obviously false appraisals of property or valuation of other assets knowing that a lender or tax authority relies on the information provided. Wharton enjoys a reputation as a fine business school. Don, Jr. is supposed to be a graduate thereof. He didn’t seem to learn much. And, I disagree that valuations of real property cannot be recreated 10 years after the fact. There is always information on comparable properties, and despite Trump’s believe in his uniqueness, there ARE comparable properties to MAL, etc. Trump has always exaggerated his wealth and the value of his assets–it’s a symptom of his narcissism. Now, it’s come back to bite him.
Gigi, I rarely respond to you because you literally know nothing. You only repeat the leftist propaganda. Unaware it is propaganda.
No “licensed professional” is going to ignore obviously false appraisals of property or valuation
WRONG! Licensed professional is going to refuse to use knowing false information.
No “licensed professional” is going to ignore obviously false appraisals of property or valuation of other assets knowing that a lender or tax authority relies on the information provided.
Stupid on stilts. Licensing requires NOT blindly doing the wrong thing. In this case their opinion is meaningless. Because not a single loan officer uses the lenders asset valuations when considering a loan application. Not a single one. Taxing authorities dont even have a proccess to consider the owners valuation.
And, I disagree that valuations of real property cannot be recreated 10 years after the fact
Cant be done because the property value is determined my the MARKET at the moment of sale. You cant determine value with out knowing the market. Its a lot like Schrodingers cat.
Opinions of ignorant people hold no sway.
I once was employed as counsel for my state’s Department of Insurance, which requires insurance companies, third-party administrators and other fiduciaries to report financial information verified by CPAs and actuaries. These professionals have standards they must follow, which doesn’t include making up numbers. That’s just Trump’s story. You might want to visit the website of the AICPA for information about CPA professional standards. My knowledge comes from personal experience, not “leftist propaganda”. Records of sales and appraisals of comparable properties from 10 years prior exist–and, on that basis a fair market value from 10 years ago can be obtained. There ARE properties comparable to MAL, and this is what appraisers use all of the time. Trump’s numbers were greatedly exaggerated. And, contrary to the arguments on alt-right, pro-Trump media, it doesn’t matter that he paid back loans, or that the lenders made a profit–he LIED on loan applications to borrow money on more-favorable terms than if he had told the truth. The job of the AG is to enforce the laws regarding perjury on loan applications and tax documents. Trump’s lenders would have made more money if he hadn’t lied. And, it doesn’t matter whether you think that loan officers did or didn’t rely on Trump’s misrepresentations–the issue is whether he made misrepresentations. He has already been found liable for doing that. The remaining issue is the amount of damages. From CNN:
“A banking expert testified Wednesday that Donald Trump and his company benefited more than $168 million by obtaining favorable loan terms on transactions where the former president personally guaranteed the loans.
The New York Attorney General’s office called Michiel McCarty to testify about his assessment of the $168 million in ill-gotten gains.
McCarty analyzed the lending documents related to transactions at issue in this case for the following Trump Organization properties: 40 Wall Street in New York, The Doral Golf Resort & Spa in Florida, Trump International Hotel & Tower in Chicago, and the Old Post Office project in Washington DC.
McCarty calculated the difference in interest payments that Trump might have paid with a commercial real estate loan that would have had a much higher interest rate than the rate he obtained by personally guaranteeing the loans on the basis of financial statements that inflated his net worth.
He determined the Trump Organization saved on interest for the properties:
$72,908,308 for the Doral Resort;
$53,423,209 for the Old Post Office loan;
$17,443,359 for Trump International Hotel & Tower in Chicago;
and $24,265,291 for 40 Wall Street.”
Trump is a narcissist and pathological liar, things that have been well established. He has always had a need to present himself as a self-made boy-wonder billionaire, but he isn’t and never was. The truth that he has always lied about the extent of his alleged wealth is starting to come to light. Forbes has already dropped him from the list of wealthiest Americans.
Gigi: Well put!
“I once was employed as counsel for my state’s Department of Insurance…”
How could you be appointed to any such position as a counsel if you do not recognize the difference between fact and opinion. When the appraiser appraises a property, he calls that appraisal an opinion since that is all it is. When he appraises it for taxes, it is still his opinion which can be challenged.
How can you not know banks use their own appraisers?
“There ARE properties comparable to MAL,”
If you know this then you can provide those properties and how they were appraised.
Rush Limbaugh’s home sold for $155 Million and it is tiny compared to Mar a Lago. Whose figure is closer, the judges, at $18 to $27 million or Trump’s. Trump’ is far closer than the judges figures which shows total lack of knowledge. Real estate prices bounce all over the place but in the Palm Beaches on the water they are exceptionally high and command a price based not just on what the seller wants but on the purchaser to whom an extra $100 million is near meaningless.
You really have to get a grip on your opinions before someone arrests you for lying and places you in an institution.
S. Meyer: There are a myriad of factors that go into the value of a property besides the size. I have never claimed to be an appraiser–I was responding to Iowan’s claim that it’s not possible to determine fair market value from 10 years ago. The fact that you disagree with me does NOT make me a liar.
“There are a myriad of factors that go into the value of a property besides the size.”
If you know the area, then you recognize that MAL has most if not all the factors to make it extremely valuable. You talk without knowledge as did the judge who made a decision that was stupid leading to unlawful actions.
“The fact that you disagree with me does NOT make me a liar.”
The fact that you say ridiculous things all the time many of them untruthful even after explanation and linkage proves you wrong makes your comment inaccurate.
The fact that you do not know the difference between opinion and fact and that you do not recognize that banks have their own appraisers doesn’t make you the smartest crayon in the box.
When I read what you have to say, I read with horror for you are not uneducated. What you haven’t attained is wisdom and your intellect is based a view where no thought is involved. You can do better if you try.
Dennis:
Donald Trump didn’t play President. He was president. He lost considerable money doing so.
I don’t know my own tax returns. I have no idea if they are prepared correctly, because I am not a CPA. I leave it to our accountant. How in the world would an executive be able to tell if CPAs and a team of tax attorneys properly prepared the taxes of the 500 business entities under the Trump Corporation, bringing in revenue of over $650 million?
You go to law school for a reason. Donald Trump, Jr has a degree in economics. The state and federal tax codes are so complex that even when a tax attorney is absolutely sure the taxes are prepared correctly, the IRS might disagree.
I knew someone who was audited once, many years ago, over a disagreement about deductions. A second IRS agent came in, and he disagreed with the first one. He said, if two IRS agents cannot agree whether these deductions were correct, then how could an average American without a degree in accounting possibly get it right? That ended the audit.
Karen S: you believe everything Trump says, obviously, which is too bad because Trump consistently lies about his alleged “wealth”. And, he did “play President”–very poorly. We still don’t know the extent to which he disclosed classified information but what IS known is bad enough, and includes disclosing sensitive information about Israel’s defenses to Russians, who are allies of Iran. A “real” President would never do this, would never steal classified documents, brag about the contents to young female staffers, lie about returning them and force the government to seize them. A “real” President would never call members of our military “suckers and losers”.
Do you SIGN your tax returns? Did you happen to notice that you are signing subject to the penalties for perjury? Does your accountant make up the numbers that go on the tax forms, or do you provide them with the information?
Do the Bidens even PAY taxes on their millions of extorted foreign bribes?
Any penalties for any tax evading Biden?
We’re still waiting….
How long has Biden, Inc. been operating its RICO scam? 50 years?
And by penalites, we mean PRISON TIME.
Karen S : You know as much about tax law as Iowan2. Next to nothing. And you are wrong that DJT “lost considerable money during his presidency”. He reported over $1.6 billion in outside income from his companies, including the Trump organization.
Then you and Iowan2 completely misstate the role of outside tax preparers. Let’s make a simple analogy. It’s tax season and you submit all your tax information (1040s, tax statements from earnings on your savings account, etc.) to your accountant. Based on what you submit your accountant prepares your return and sends it to you. Right so far? You are then responsible for reviewing and verifying the accuracy of everything in the return. Still with me? The final step is you sign the return and send it on the IRS (or it is done electronically). What happens if you intentionally fail to report some outside income or try to take deductions to which you are not entitled? You may be audited. You may even be asked to appear at your local IRS office. Iowan2 seems to think you can blame these omissions on your tax preparer. Nope. You are solely responsible for the tax return you signed.
And this is Don Jr’s predicament when he testified before Judge Engoron. Don Jr. and his siblings were trustees of their dad’s revocable trust. As such they had a fiduciary duty to verify the accuracy of all statements of financial conditions of the Trump Organization. If Don Jr. has a degree in economics why is it that he testified that “I know nothing about GAAP–I leave it to my accountants”? With his degree how is it he doesn’t know anything about generally accepted accounting principles? Unless he was willfully ignorant of his dad’s years of overvaluing his properties so he could get loans and other favorable treatment. Don Jr. simply signed off on all the statements knowing they were fraudulent. He was part of the scheme to defraud the people of NY.
None of this has been lost on Judge Engoron. We can probably expect a decision by the judge by early December. How do you think he will rule? I expect Judge Engoron to require that DJT and his kids to disgorge all their ill gotten gains. That means DJT will be out of business in NY. And if Engoron agrees with AG James neither DJT nor any of his kids will be able to serve as an officer or board member of any NY company ever again. That’s what happens when you breach your fiduciary responsibilities and take New Yorkers for suckers!
TDS is real and you are one sick dude.
“AG Letitia James civil fraud case.”
A *civil* case where none of the parties to the transactions claim loss, injury, harm. None of them even dispute a fact.
Remind us what type of lawyers you and James are. The word “hired guns” comes to mind.
Sam: You apparently are one of DJT’s “hired guns”. You simply regurgitate his specious claims no one was injured because he repaid his loans and the banks made money. That’s irrelevant. Why? Back in September Judge Engoron ruled DJT was liable for systemic fraud by making false and misleading valuations for multiple real estate assets to banks and insurers–all in a effort to get favorable loan and insurance rates. That has already been established. The current trial before Engoron is only about the amount of damages–the amount the “people” of NY were deprived of because they could not get similar favorable treatment–but for DJT’s fraud. Seems you are way behind the curve on the current litigation!
So freakin’ what it’s censure of a dirtbags free speech? You gotta send a message & demonstrate that Tlaib’s inflammatory comments are wrong. Incredibly-rich-when-she-left-office Pelosi never failed to censure Republicans & she personally orchestrated two phony impeachment trial to frame T45!
MTG is right. Either all the Republicans STAND TOGETHER, vote together & turn the tables on the democrats or the voters will see party weakness. Hey Republican Party Whip! GET WITH THE PROGRAM!!!!!
Article III, Section 3, Clause 1
Treason against the United States, shall consist…in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.
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“For extreme diseases, extreme methods of cure, as to restriction, are most suitable.”
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In my humble opinion and free speech, Rashida Tlaib must have been censured by Congress and exiled. Rashida Tlaib enjoyed American freedom of speech. Rashida Tlaib simultaneously committed felonious perjury, incitement, international defamation, and false condemnation. If the Senate maintains a dress code, Congress must maintain a truth code. Rashida Tlaib willfully subscribed to and perpetuated the “Big Lie” that the Israelis deliberately and savagely bombed the al-Ahli Arab Hospital, in fact adhering to the enemies of Israel and the U.S., giving them aid and comfort. Barbarian Hamas, the enemy, killed and kidnapped Israelis and Americans and, in fact, inadvertently bombed the al-Ahli Arab Hospital with errant rockets launched from a proximate Hamas site. The treason of “adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort” constitutes insurrection.
Those who commit treason are direct and mortal enemies of the American thesis of freedom and self-reliance, the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, actual Americans, and America.
RINOs are republicans in name only and insidious dissemblers, shams, and imposters.
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enemy
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plural enemies
1: one that is antagonistic to another
especially : one seeking to injure, overthrow, or confound an opponent
2: something harmful or deadly – alcohol was his greatest enemy
3a: a military adversary
b: a hostile unit or force
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I must have missed this list in the article; is this list accurate?
Here are the 23 Republicans who voted to table Greene’s resolution:
Rep. Kelly Armstrong of North Dakota
Rep Ken Buck of Colorado
Rep. John Duarte of California
Rep. Chuck Edwards of North Carolina
Rep. Morgan Griffith of Virginia
Rep. Glenn Grothman of Wisconsin
Rep. Harriet Hageman of Wyoming
Rep. Bill Huizenga of Michigan
Rep. Darrell Issa of California
Rep. Dusty Johnson of South Dakota
Rep. Doug LaMalfa of California
Rep. Thomas Massie of Kentucky
Rep. Tom McClintock of California
Rep. Rich McCormick of Georgia
Rep. Max Miller of Ohio
Rep. Mariannette Miller-Meeks of Iowa
Rep. John Moolenaar of Michigan
Rep. Chip Roy of Texas
Rep. Austin Scott of Georgia
Rep. Victoria Spartz of Indiana
Rep. Michael Turner of Ohio
Rep. Derrick Van Orden of Wisconsin
Rep. Tim Walberg of Michigan
– Insider
Jonathan: Your right again. 23 GOP House members correctly joined the Dems in rejecting Marjorie Taylor Greene’s attempt to censure Rep. Rashida Tlaib for her “free speech” right to criticize Israel for its air bombardment of Gaza. Although you used the opportunity to accuse Tlaib of spreading “disinformation” about what Israel is doing to Gaza. Israel is trying to bomb Gaza into oblivion. The photos of Gaza show widespread devastation–more like photos of Dresden, Germany during WW11. Over 8,000 civilians have been killed–many of whom are women and children. It now borders on genocide. Palestinian civilians are paying the price for the actions of a few. That is a violation of the laws of war. And that is what Tlaib is complaining about. That’s not “disinformation”.
MTG was quick to denounce the House rejection of her resolution. She went on “X” to declare: “Our country is in the worst crisis in it’s [sic] history in every category and the Democrats are full blown communists and the Republicans can’t even censure Rashida Tlaib”. Republican Rep. Chip Roy (TX) called MTG’s resolution “feckless” with “factually unverified claims” including that Tlaib led an “insurrection”. MTG then ranted about Roy: “Oh shut up colonel Sanders, you’re not even from Texas, more like the DMV”…etc., etc. It seems MTG is now the unhinged voice of the House MAGA Republicans.
The MAGA Republicans in the House have formed a circular firing squad. They fight among themselves while Rome burns. They can’t agree on anything. They spend the people’s time fighting over petty issues. No doubt the voters next year will have something to say about who governs the House.
Tlaib repeated the falsity that Israel bombed the hospital after it had been proved otherwise. That is disinformation.
But that wasn’t what the censure resolution was about. Chip Roy, for example, voted against it because it accused her of fomenting an “insurrection” by aiding a demonstration in the Capitol.
How as it proved otherwise ?
You do know the USa delivered the Jdams days before, and they have been leveling gaza buildings since.
WaPo verified the bomb strike and missile sound with the surrounding buildings in the video.
Was it proved otherwise because lying governments said they didn’t do nuttin ?
“WaPo verified the bomb strike and missile sound with the surrounding buildings in the video.”
Says the guy who claimed the building was rubble and refused to acknowledge the “lying” satellite photos to the contrary.
And Joe Biden got 81 meeelliiion votes. LOL.
And mas is own da way, seenyor!
Be shore to call dem illegal alien invaders “migrants-cum-voters.”
We don’t wants no troubles in Ville Fluviale!
Actually, the words: “81 meeelllion votes” should always be said with a “Dr. Evil, International Man of Mystery” accent, not Mexican.
¿Entiendes?
Me paro corregido.
Mi mal señor.
Eres muy amable.
Muchisimas gracias.
De nada.
And remember: 81 meeelliion votes = LOL.
I belive Tlaib has a right to express herself & her colleagues have the same right. We have been led to believe that there has been a recent mysterious eruption of Jihadism at colleges across the country – as if this phenomenon has appeared out of nowhere & without any past. No one at any American college has ever heard of the Bastille, the French Revolution, the Protestant Reformation or the Battle of Vienna 1683 when the Muslim World, led by the Ottoman Empire, tried to conquer the Christian Coalition of Europe? This doesn’t seem possible to me.
This clown-show, Dumb—, is a liar and a fraud.
Even the MSM admits she willfully lied in order to deliberately deceive.
Dumb—, you should make darn sure you get your marching orders from the communist party headquarters every morning.
You get a little out of whack and that causes you to appear totally wacky.
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“Rep. Rashida Tlaib draws fire for not apologizing for saying Israel caused Gaza hospital blast”
The backlash to Tlaib’s remarks showed a divide within the Democratic Party.
Democratic Rep. Rashida Tlaib, of Michigan, refused to apologize Wednesday for saying a day earlier that Israel is to blame for the hospital explosion that day in Gaza, despite evidence from the U.S. defense department that the blast was likely caused by an errant projectile from Palestinian Islamic Jihad.
– ABC News
“The photos of Gaza show widespread devastation–more like photos of Dresden, Germany during WW11.”
That is a perfect historical analogy.
Hamas (and its leadership in Iran) is the genocidal butchers who invaded another country (like Nazi Germany). That “widespread devastation” is (and was) caused by the dictatorial invaders. Hopefully, that devastation in Gaza will lead to the same thing. This time, not the de-Nazification of Germany. But to the de-Hamasfication of Gaza.
“Palestinian civilians are paying the price for the actions of a few.”
Those civilians have been paying the price for their dictatorial governments, ever since the PLO and Arafat. Besides defending itself, Israel is now freeing them from the yoke of tyrants.
If the genuine concern is for those civilians, you and the rest of the world’s protestors have a strange way of showing it.
Thank God for being a reasonable voice!!!!
“It’s the [law], stupid!”
– James Carville
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A society of reason, is a society of laws.
In a society of laws, the laws must be obeyed.
Tlaib violated fundamental, statutory, and international laws with regard to perjury, defamation, incitement, propaganda, disinformation, treason, et al.
A bunch of self important blowhards who think anyone cares one whit what spews from their mouths in public.
What we want to know, and what we want censure AND REMOVAL for are the crimes they commit behind the scenes and overseas and at their secret meetings.
It’s all CYA blabbering to pretend they have standards when only 5% do and 95% do not.
I find this level of idiocy at the universities so pathetic. Look at them ! They support people starving and dehydrated getting slaughtered and what do they do ? THEY LAY ON THE GROUND LIKE LAZY BUMS, and call it a “die in”.
https://www.necn.com/multimedia/video-minor-clash-at-pro-gaza-harvard-die-in/3070150/
You aren’t dying and you aren’t lifting a finger for real people you purportedly support. You lie on your backs like lazy louses !
WHY AREN’T YOU RICH BRATS MOVING GOODS TO THE SHORELINE OF GAZA OR SENDING SUPPLIES ? AT LEAST LINE IT UP FOR WHEN THE BLOCKADE ENDS, YOU LAZY LOUSY SELF CENTERED JERK OFFS.
Shakdi, don’t ever mouth to Marshal Stockburn and his Deputies. Maybe the commentators would like to see you dance. To the music gentlemen.
Another moron boomer with his movie clip ?
Not watching the garbage, thanks anyway.
Dear Prof Turley,
Do you know who bombed the Hospital in Gaza, or not? It’s not like Joe Biden or 51 top intelligence officials, including the past five CIA directors, would lie about such a thing. Heaven forbid. And, heaven forbid, the U.S. media never prints anything but the full Gospel Truth that’s fit to print. 24/7.
Have you seen the U.S. intelligence reports Biden referred to when he placed the blame for the Hospital bombing on ‘the other side’ (Hamas?)? This .. . has all the hallmarks of Russian ‘disinformation’.
What makes Tlaib’s remarks more ‘inflammatory’ than Biden’s remarks about the Hospital bombing? Inflammatory for who?
Some people may believe Joe Biden arms, funds and supports some of the most ruthless, vicious, corrupt psychopaths on the planet. Weapons of war, symptoms of madness. Some people may believe Biden/Bibi Netanyahu’s ‘war’ in Gaza, where Israel is the *governing authority*, killing thousands of women and children is inflammatory.
Of course, “if we are to find any resolution of these issues, it will be through the use of free speech, not through its denial.”
That’s why .. . “we will continue to make absolutely clear [our] values on the sanctity of innocent human life – and then we will continue to provide our advice to Israel in private” ~ Jake Sullivan on the ‘collateral’ damage in Gaza.
*I have little doubt Speaker Johnson will usher through billions of dollars in ‘aid’ weapons for Ukraine and Israel, if he hasn’t already .. . establishing the United States of America as the indispensable ‘Christian nation’ during these times of great Tribulation in the Age of Rage.
Check out this Iranian military Hell March Video. Lots of military officer mug shots to be IDed.
Keep in mind Iranians are not Arabs. A cognate of “aryan,” Iran means “land of the Aryans” and is excluded from the list of Arab League nations in the Middle East/North Africa region.
More points you and I agree on, Jonathan. Thanks!
Cassandra Williamson
Executive Director
Transgender & Diverse Veterans of America Action Group
Northport, Alabama
http://www.tdva-ag.com
I totally oppose expulsion but a censure has nothing to do with censorship. It is an expression by the House of its repudiation of the conduct or speech being targeted.
If a Representative had made a speech promoting white supremacy and calling black people by racially repugnant names, the House would rightly censure that Representative and rightly so.
As long as censure carries no physical or financial penalty, it is an appropriate way to express disgust.
“As long as censure carries no physical or financial penalty, it is an appropriate way to express disgust.” Agreed. Then again, what’s the point of the process if there’s no penalty, even when the resolution is agreed? Lately, having been censured, is worn more as a badge of honor than any kind of demerit.
….what’s the point of the process if there’s no penalty…
Whats the point of a US Customs and Border Protection Agency when the numbers of “encounters” since 2020 has been trending off the charts?
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/nationwide-encounters
Add to the aforementioned, FBI Director Christopher Wray’s statement where he warned the Hamas-Israel war increases risk of attacks on Americans. Is there a plan? anywhere? Is America bound to be the next Muslim caliphate?
https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2023/10/31/FBI-Christopher-Wray-increased-attacks-Israel-Hamas-conflict-antisemitic/9811698789755/
No disagreement here. It’s almost as if a planned, fundamental transformation has been accelerated or something.🤔
I have difficulty understanding Professor Turley’s position here. This was a censure motion. As I understand it, it consists of a formal disapproval of Tlaib’s comments. Thus, it is a rebuke of, and not interference with, Tlaib’s speech. Given Tlaib’s pro-terrorist propaganda, I see nothing inappropriate with censure. Criticism of speech is not equivalent to precluding it. And if the point is that criticism of off-the-wall comments might have a “chilling effect” on speech (i.e., encouraging a bit of caution and reflection before blurting), I’d suggest that would be a good thing.
Today the Congress is just a little less horrible. Just maybe, the adults in the room decided to say enough. By defeating a censure, the House is just a tad better today.
In this case, the adults are the 23 Republicans. Not the rest of the Republicans nor the entire Democrats. They voted for the politics. Enough already, time to protect the institution. I just hope this is the start. Enough of the tit for tat.
I am no fan of Tlaib. As fas as I am personally concerned, she is anti-Semitic running around saying she is pro-Palestinian. That is her right; she may not be someone I hold up as a leader, but it is up to her constituents to remove her, not me or Congress. As long as any members break no laws, they are duly elected and should serve regardless of who they upset.
Defeating this censure in the name of free speech is the right course. Nobody has to like what she says, but she does have the right. I hope Tlaib understands that her bill may come due when she cannot get legislation through or find common cause due to her rhetoric.
This goes for Marjorie Taylor Greene too.
Regardless of who does or does not like whatever member, they were voted in and their constituents ultimately decide. If the voters want to represented by a fool, that is their right. We certainly have had plenty serve on both sides of the aisle.
This is why republicans lose.
And democrats know it.
Republicans lose because of one man, one vote, “dictatorship of the hired help,” and the nullification and voidance of the Constitution and Bill of Rights.
Democracy has been in its restricted-vote republican form since its inception in Greece.
One man, one vote “democrazy” always results in a dictatorship, currently Karl Marx’s “dictatorship of the hired help,” aka communism.
The American Founders severely restricted the vote through the State legislatures of this American restricted-vote republic, given to actual Americans by Ben Franklin et al. Turnout was 11.6% in 1789. Vote criteria were male, European, 21, worth 50 lbs. Sterling/50 acres, and those admitted to become citizens must have been “free, white person(s).”
No sane person would posit that one man, one vote democracy is rational, logical, or otherwise good and beneficial, as it takes society down to the lowest common denominator rather than its highest and best use.